#Michael Jackson innocent

[mj-forever-777]

Happy Victory day, MJ's family, fans!!! On this day, June 13, 2005, Michael Jackson was found INNOCENT on ALL COUNTS! We love you, Michael!❤️

[michaelforever]

How could anyone be scared of this cutie?

He was an angel on the outside and inside

[hello-nichya-here]

My love for MJ aside, speaking purely as someone who is looking into all the accusations against him and trying to be as unbiased as possible, it's CRAZY how the fans are labeled as being "in denial about the truth" when they are clearly correct in saying there's more than enough proof of his innocence.

Literally EVERYTHING is on Michael's side: eye-witnesses, videos, recorded phone calls, documents, and well-over a decade of FBI investigations, all of which contradict every single part of the stories about the supposed child abuse.

The proof of his innocence goes from "The pictures police took of Michael's genitals did not match the description the kid provided" to "This family that claims Michael kidnapped them and forced them to sell all their stuff, including their house, so they'd be dependent on him was confirmed to be lying since they still owned all the things they said they were forced to sell", all the way to "Michael wasn't even in the same country as the supposed victim at the time, and in fact, the very ROOM in which the the abuse allegedly happened did not even exist yet"

Not to mention proof that first "victim" (Jordan Chandler) was coerced by his abusive father into accusing Michael, that the family of the second "victim" (Gavin Arvizo) already having a history of scams that included lying about sexual abuse, and the Leaving Neverland documentary (that talks about the alledged abuse of James Safechuck and Wade Robson) was discovered to be copying an erotic book written by a confessed pedophile that wanted to share his fantasies about Michael abusing children.

Meanwhile all the people who say he was guilty have as proof is "Well, I saw an interview with the pedo that wrote that pornographic book and assumed it was true" or "I heard on a TV show 30 years ago that he was guilty and paid hush money to the victims and never checked that the investigation was still going and that the boy was even allowed to testify in court if he wanted to" or "This maid that was fired for stealing stuff from Michael's home claims she saw him molesting Jordan Chandler in Neverland - even though Jordan says he was abused during the tour, not in Neverland, so even if you were to believe his story you'd still have to assume this woman is lying."

It really is no wonder the 1993 and 2013 allegations did not even managed to get a proper trial with how little there was to work with, and the 2005 one led to Michael being found innocent of all charges in record time - I strongly suspect that if it wasn't for the former case, it wouldn't even have made it to court in the first place either with how nonsensical it was.

[welcometothetabloidjunkie]

Our condolences to the Jackson family, Tito Jackson your music is forever.

[444m777]

15 years ago today…

I was roughly three months fresh of turning 17 years old. I felt indifferent about that number and sort of wished I could stay 16 a little longer but I knew I was getting closer to being considered an “adult” and in that case it was exciting because I would be moving abroad and living on my own once I graduated from high school. There was nothing really special about that day. I was home alone after school. Took off my shoes and just did what any regular-degular teenager would do, watch TV.

Aside from plotting how I’d ever make it to London without ever traveling that far before I figured one could dream like I always did. Like I had to because I had the kind of parents who did not like the fact that I was (still am) a Michael Jackson fan. They saw it as an obsession and basically it got to a point where I was “banned” from mentioning his name, listening to his music even though I didn’t own any CDs at the time. The only thing I had growing up as a little girl was the Moonwalker VHS tape and I almost destroyed it because I watched it a billion times for years. My parents would always make sure we had a movie night and as soon as they asked for suggestions everyone would butt in before I could get a word out, “WE ARE NOT WATCHING MOONWALKER! Anything but that!”. As a little girl that shit tore me apart.

My parents introduced me to the world of magic that is MJ. They showed me Thriller. And I innocently referred to the female ghoulish monsters as my grandmother (oops…🤪) everyone burst out in laughter. It was cute I was maybe 3-4 years old at the time. But when I turned 5 I was allowed to watch the whole Moonwalker movie and my own mother told me she regrets getting it and showing it to me. I was maybe 9-10 years old when she said that to me out of anger. She read my diaries at the time and saw all the newspaper clippings I had of Michael because they just wouldn’t let me buy any merch/CDs. And in it I wrote how I felt about him and how I wanted to be with him at Neverland Ranch. Mind you this was also the time where it was super uncool to be an MJ fan. Like, you’d get DISOWNED from your friend group, family etc. it was THAT bad. Coming from a Black Caribbean background. I virtually had no one to talk to about Michael. Hence, the diaries.

I, in some way, related to how lonely he felt. In my innocent child’s mind I just felt really close to him and I felt he would understand me better than my own immediate family would. Anyways, I CLINGED to my Moonwalker VHS tape until I somehow broke it from watching it a trillion times too much😅. My world SHATTERED. It was the only MJ thing I had before I got the newspaper clippings because of the allegations. Whenever we went to a music store or an airport that had a music store I wasn’t allowed in the section that had Michael’s music. I’d get dragged away. It was ROUGH for little fangirl me😕 I don’t know how I survived it. And I’m not even trying to sound dramatic but I was a sensitive, PAINFULLY shy, introverted and moved to tears EASILY kinda girl. I had (and still have) very BIG feelings and I had no one to help me navigate them. Maybe I’ll make another post about my journey as an MJ fan on a super tiny island and how I “made it work” but really I want to focus on how as a teenager I found out he passed.

Flipping through channels I came across a news channel that claimed he died. I immediately took it as a hoax and switched to another news channel and they didn’t report anything. So I remember pausing the TV (we had DVR at the time) and went upstairs to shower. I kept telling myself this was all a sick joke. I came back downstairs and pressed play and forwarded to real time and they said he really did die. So I did the one thing I thought was smart and decided that if CNN didn’t report he died then he didn’t and everybody from the smaller news channels were in on some terrible lie to generate views because of his concerts coming up in London. But I finally switched to CNN and it was written so boldly on the screen I wasn’t even sitting but something told me to sit because my body felt weak and I plopped down on the couch. It took a while to register and then I was hysterical. Home alone yet living with people who banned me from talking about him and getting caught listening to his music or writing about him. I had a secret stash of MJ related things. I had a friend who took her mother’s Dangerous cassette tape and borrowed it to me to listen. My sister’s best friend’s dad had the History Album and she gave it to my sister to give it to me. That’s honestly the one thing my sister did for me that felt super profound. Because she was also told not to fuel my “obsession”. She didn’t care for MJ but she wasn’t mean about it either. But we both lived under our parents’ house and rules and as a Black girl with Black Caribbean parents… let’s just say you don’t question or go behind their back if you know what’s good for you. Once just ONCE my dad let me buy the Dangerous dvd. We were at the airport and he was hesitant. I remember it like it was yesterday… “you KNOW your mother doesn’t want you getting anything MJ related! I’m not letting you buy this”. But at the last minute he still let me get it and he said “it’s just the music videos I suppose this is fine…” oh, how it was not. That got taken away too. So you see I had to hide whatever anyone could spare. I was not even allowed to read the newspaper at one point because my mother found I would cut out pictures of him. THE NEWSPAPER Y’ALL!!! If I needed the newspaper for school work I’d get it with pages removed. Or my mom would pull out the pages I needed.

Back to being a total mess on the couch… my parents came home and I wiped my face and tears. I remember opening the door. I figured I’m older now. He passed away. It should be okay to at least say something about it. I remember opening the door and I could barely get the words out. I said “did you hear the news about Michael?” And she responded “yeah… jammer”. I come from a Caribbean island that’s been colonized by the Dutch so we use Dutch words in our creole language, Papiamento. But the way she said jammer (what a shame) was in such a nonchalant I-don’t-really-care way. Her tone was evident. I almost slammed the door shut in her face but I let her hold the door and I ran upstairs and was hysterical again.

I remember my father coming up to check on me but he stood in the door way. I was just curled up in bed crying and he left me there. Both of them left me there. I was a mess for DAYS. WEEKS. I became depressed. And again, I had no one to help me navigate these very BIG feelings. And it pained me. I didn’t have friends who were MJ fans. So I couldn’t talk to them. All I heard at school was “good riddance” or worse. As an adult I realized I just wanted someone to sit with me. Hold space for me. No one helped me through it during 2003 to the 2005 trials. No one helped me through it in 2009. I had to do it on my own and it SUCKED! You’re either met with “but you never met the man!” or “he was XYZ anyways so why does it matter, he’s dead!”. I was a CHILD! No one thought “damn… this is having a huge effect on our highly sensitive daughter and she’s clearly depressed. At the very least let’s hold space for her” NOPE! I learned very young to keep secrets. To never share myself like that with people in fear of being ridiculed. I hid myself, my passions and my thoughts. Despite growing up and excelling in anything that had to do with art (because I wanted to be like Mike lol). I kept it a secret. My grades showed it but anything else I kept it from my family. My friends kinda knew but they didn’t know what or WHO the driving force was. Where the inspiration came from. I always had to come up with some other story or muse. I wouldn’t dare mention Michael in fear my mother would appear out of nowhere and would “discipline me” for saying his name. He was my real life Voldemort and in my tiny kid brain I had to defend him in my mind because there was no way I could go up against anyone else let alone adults. My family but mostly my mother really did a number on me…

I’m writing this to say that what my family did and how the world negatively responded left a stain on my soul. Turned me from introvert and shy to soooo painfully shy I didn’t want to leave my room. Didn’t want to express myself in fear of being asked where the inspiration came from. Ironically as an adult my parents have been asking me why I’m not being creative and for a very long time I wish I could tell them it’s because they snuffed that part me, ever since I was a child, out! They couldn’t nurture that side of me and chose to see my devotion as blind obsession.

But this year and even more so today I had a huge breakdown earlier in the year and I realized I wanted to express myself and my thoughts more and speak freely about Mike. Mind you, I moved out at 18 and lived and studied in The Netherlands, Indonesia and Thailand. Still I kept that part of me which was and is a HUGE part of me, a secret. I brought it up once with a guy I had a date with and like I said, BIG feelings kinda gal, I broke down crying talking to him about Michael. And I apologized profusely and figured he’d never want to see me again. And yet he held me and comforted me. He did the one thing I craved the people who loved me should have done when I was a child. I swore on that day I’d marry that man. I did not… yet. We’re still together 7 years later and today too and every day since he has held space for me. Allowed me to be the fan I always wished I could’ve been even if it was in private with him. He lets me talk about anything MJ like he’s a fan himself (he is not but he has an immense amount of respect for Michael). And he’s always encouraged me to reach out to the MJ community but like I said the trauma, and again, not trying to be dramatic but to be told as a kid up until I left the house that I can’t talk, listen, watch nor dance to Michael was like being told I wasn’t allowed to eat, was DEEP and it made me associate expressing myself as a bad thing, a dirty thing. Because liking Michael was seen as gross. So I never engaged online for fear of my mother somehow finding me on the internet. Yeah… it was that bad😖

But it wasn’t all bad. And I’d like to share more about that in the future😌. I’m done feeling like my mother or anyone else for that matter has a say in how I feel and how I choose to express my love for Michael. That man pulled me through so many things throughout my life. I know this is a very heavy and sad day. It’s really tough for some to see the bright side. Because Michael being alive was the bright side. Even if he chose never to show his face again in public but to just know he was alive, safe and in good health probably would’ve been more than enough for fans to handle than knowing he’s truly gone. Unfortunately, that’s not the case and his life ended tragically.

I still choose to use this day as a reminder to myself of his tireless yet bright FIRE that he had and how he went against the grains of racism and ignorance, and striving to innovate, to push the envelope and go beyond. The sky was never the limit. I, too, want to use that energy and look past my upbringing and connect with other likeminded fans/people and truly engage the way I wish I would’ve years ago after leaving home. No more hiding. No more shaming myself and most certainly no more apologizing for speaking about Michael. I’m doing myself a disservice and I want to honor his memory by keeping on with the force! 🕺🏾

I love you so much Michael and I miss you like crazy and I’m so grateful for your presence and your passion for sharing your gift and life’s work with us. I feel you in the air and especially in the trees and in the animals. You solidified my belief in magic and wonder. I am so damn happy I am breaking free from these chains and really celebrating you OUT IN THE OPEN WHOLEHEARTEDLY. To the fans out there struggling I have you in my thoughts. And if you ever, EVER need someone to talk to because it’s difficult to talk to anyone else out there, you got me. I don’t ever want any of the fans to feel isolated and stuck. Especially the younger fans. You are the generation who will continue to keep Michael’s legacy going. Not only that you are the future in general and young kids/people need to be protected, loved and guided. Not the opposite and especially not made to feel like your feelings are invalid. Your mental health is so important even when you’re a fan of someone whom you’ve never met. And it is equally important to talk freely and openly in a safe space without being made to feel like you’re a criminal.

Anyways… if you read up until here, wow, thanks! Sending you all lots of love, hugs and heehees💫

[hellospongebobfan]

Happy birthday to the lovely King of Pop! 🎂

[forever-michael]

What more can I say than this:

When Michael cannot defend himself- it is up to us, as his fans, to continue to do so. It is the very least we can do. We owe him this. We can never stop fighting for the truth.

Please take a few moments out of your scrolling to read the purpose of this petition, and if you cannot donate, please share this link to hopefully reach a larger audience.

[danger0uswham]

He could've still been here.

And that's what hurts. The "could've" part.

The part where he could've seen his children grow into these respectful adults with pride, humbleness, and care.

The part where he could've watched his sons become immersed into film and his daughter pursue so many things.

The part where he would've absolutely made some banger songs for the people we've lost. A song for Black Lives Matter. A song for the school shootings that we've seen over the years. A song of him watching his children blossom. A song of him healing from all the trauma he experienced as a child and throughout his career.

It hurts knowing that Mike isn't here. I look at the eyes of his children and my heart breaks more. Not only because he isn't here but they remind me so much of him. When Paris smiles, I get goosebumps. When Prince speaks, I get goosebumps. When Bigi appears, I get goosebumps. They all have so many qualities about them that shout "Jackson" but they also allowed themselves to be more than their family name. That was something Michael was keen on.

I've always admired the strength they all carried but Michael and Paris always have blown me away. Michael was belittled, treated like a punching bag, dragged along the mud. Paris has been stalked, chased, followed, harrassed, just like Michael. But the strength they both have is admirable. And I'm a bit envious - not in that way but I wish I had the strength. No matter their challenges, they've pushed through and I think that's a big motivator for me tryign to better myself now. I struggle with many mental health conditions, I want to lose weight, and I just wanna become the best person (emotionally; physically; spiritually) but it's hard. But I relate to them both.

But thinking about Michael recently has brought about so many things. I wonder if he knows that I exist. I became a fan after his passing but I did listen to his music beforehand. I was just a kid, though. I became a fan in 2012 - admired his music before then. I've admired his dance and songs forever. I still remember when he passed and it instantly saddened me. I've been a fan of Michael for half of my life and I just hope he knows about all of the new fans he's made since his passing. I hope he knows that I exist. I hope he knows that I will never stop defending him. I hope he knows - from Heaven. But I secretly know that it'll always feel like he'll never know about me - that I will only know him. I believe I recently stumbled upon many other fans that felt this way -- maybe it was on Discord, Tumblr, a MJJ forumsite, etc.. I'll have to check through my bookmarks and screenshots. I hope he's watching over me and that he'll visit me in my dreams. I miss him dearly.

[dukeofdelirium]

You should know when it is your place to speak because I am going to prove you wrong @fuglyjeans and don’t even think about whining in a potential response, because you opened yourself up to this by lying on my post and with complete conviction too!

“There’s actually a lot of evidence” no there isn’t and I don’t need to listen to a fucking PODCAST to know that. Want to know how I know? Because I’ve pulled every god damn court document that exists on Michael Jackson straight from the source and have studied his cases for over 12 damn years.

Don’t fucking come onto my shit telling me to do research when you’re recommending random ass podcasts as valid study sessions for the most disgraceful witch hunt carried out by the American judicial system in the last 32 years.

The child you’re referring to is Jordan Chandler. Say his damn name or shut up. I bet you didn’t even know his name before commenting this stupid shit. Complete lie you made up, btw. Let’s get into it, shall we?

Jordan Chandler accurately described absolutely fuck all! Wanna know how we KNOW? Because not only did the police officer that interviewed Chandler state that he said Jackson was CIRCUMCISED which his official PUBLIC AUTOPSY REPORT DISPROVES, but the Chandler Family’s fucking lawyer moved to BAR these photographs of Jackson from court!

FYI, because you clearly seem to need it: The Smoking Gun was a media mouthpiece for the prosecution in 2005’s trial. They deleted this article after Jackson died and his autopsy disproved what the officer said.

Hmmm… what’s that I spy with my little eye?

Hmmmmm.

Wow, shocking. Also, the idea of “splotches” is fucking irrelevant. 1) it was literally never proven to be true that the child could describe certain markings and 2) Jackson had fucking vitiligo which everyone on planet earth knew by that point (meaning markings on his skin were ever changing) so no matter what the child said, the prosecution could try to explain it whether it was right or wrong or “relatively close” as Sneddon put it, therefore it can’t be believed beyond a reasonable doubt and 3) the cops would absolutely ask if Jackson was circumcised. This would be the first thing an alleged victim of SA is asked about a male perpetrator. Jordan Chandler had a 50/50 chance of getting it right. He got it fucking wrong.

Cope.

They also brought Katherine Jackson to speak before the grand juries to ask her whether her son had plastic surgery to alter the way his dick looked. Oh yeah, sounds like we have a winner here, boys!

Not only did they not want the photographs to be shown because it disproved what the child said, but there was obviously not a fucking match because if it HAD BEEN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLE CAUSE AND CORROBORATING EVIDENCE!

Do you honest to god think this means nothing or something? Or are you just clueless to the facts? This would be corroborating, which means this would be grounds for arrest, which means 2 grand juries would absolutely have indicted Jackson had it been a match. Trying to explain this to you is like talking to a toddler or something. Use your brain.

The Chandler family originally had Gloria Allred as their attorney. She gave a public press conference where she stated she had 0 interest in a civil case and only cared about criminal Justice. 24 hours later? They fired her and replaced her with another attorney that cared about getting money from Jackson. This attorney used legal trickery and loopholes to force Jackson into a corner, by arguing that the child was 14 and thus too young and might forget if he didn’t have his case heard as soon as possible in a civil proceeding. This was what led to the civil settlement and the violation of Jackson’s constitutional rights.

You idiots think you’re so damn smart and knowledgeable about Michael Jackson because you listened to some circle jerk discussion on YouTube or some shit. And then you make complete fools of yourselves for everyone to see when you try to speak to people like me who know every detail of said cases. Fucking embarrassing. Jackson was not only never arrested in 1993 or 1994 during the police investigation into these allegations from Jordan Chandler (which he would have been had the description matched), but he also was never indicted by two separate grand juries that oversaw all “evidence” that chucklefuck Tom Sneddon had, which was fuck all.

Jordan Chandler evaded all attempts to make him testify against Jackson. Jackson’s legal defense prepared for over 500 witnesses and dozens of these witnesses on the list were there to testify against Jordan Chandler had he shown up.

“Y’all can’t wrap your heads around victims blah blah blah” don’t ever fucking presume to tell me shit about child sexual abuse. I am literally a male survivor of CSA. I know very well how it feels to be sexually abused and I know how it feels to struggle with memory problems.

Don’t even try to make an excuse to me about it, because Jordan Chandler never said he had memory issues to begin with. Neither did Jackson’s next accuser Gavin Arvizo. He was asked by the psychologist that interviewed him if he struggled with memory or with fears relating to CSA as well in 1993, and you want to know what he said? He said he had no fears of any kind, no struggles, and only that he was afraid of cross examination.

Sit the fuck down and shut the hell up. Consider yourself served and silenced.

[silentghosttimez]

Since everyone's reading comprehension clearly just went out the window when the person in the Epstein documents asked about Michael Jackson. The girl literally said nothing happened. And to go into more detail, this was before anything about Epstein came to light and when Epstein was still fronting as one of those financial businessmen. MJ was LITERALLY THOROUGHLY investigated and HEAVILY survellienced by the government/FBI for over 2 decades BEFORE and AFTER meeting Epstein, the FBI REALLY wanted MJ gone from the public eye, they even tried to use his childhood photos and some playboy magazines to prove he was guilty. In the 2000s MJ was in conflict with Sony and was going broke, some people(we dont know who they were yet) recommended he go to Epstein to solve financial issues. MJ dipped out and Epstein never got his number, his name literally was not in that black book. Y'all keep bringing up those false accusations with the boys when if you actually look up anything on it, the boys came forward and said their parents lied, and the bed thing was false because MJ's room was huge and had two beds, he had the PARENTS AND THEIR KIDS sleeping in the beds in his room while HE slept in his own GUEST ROOM.

Stop making shit up when the people who wanted so badly for him to do something criminal literally couldn't find anything at all in all those years that he was looked at so closely to the point he was literally having mental breakdowns from being watched every where he went, during every call, and so on.

(edit: To add to this, people constantly lie about his skin and how he felt about himself and his body too. When for one, his autopsy was right there and literally says he suffered from lupus and Vitilogo and his hair was literally the way it was due to it being set on fire in that one Pepsi commercial, there are literally graphic images of just how badly his scalp had been damaged. He never hated himself or his blackness, infact he actively tried to hide his white splotches for as long as he could. He used makeup and skincare stuff that he was unaware had any bleaching affects in the ingredients. He was very open and loud about being proud of his African heritage, he even was crowned in an African village.

I made this post cause I started tweaking because the singular black breadtuber I was watching was reading the Epstein documents and when he got to Michael being mentioned he and everyone in chat suddenly became illiterate and he was talking some shit like "it would seem he really was that guy if those documentaries, court stuff and articles didn't already convince you" like WHAT??? And chat was agreeing and someone was like "the Twitter stans are still gonna find a way to defend him after this" mind you, if you weren't bread dead and believed all that slander, all the court stuff declared and pretty much proved his innocence and later one people including his own friends and family came forward saying they were forced and coerced into lying. Those documentaries that came out and so many of those articles were straight up slanderous because they were damn tabloids, I don't get why people are still trying to use tabloids as proof when they were known for spreading rumors that often were not true in the slightest. This shit actually has me genuinely heated. Like, the breadtuber didn't bother reading the rest and was just like "well that proves it" even though it was stated right below that Epstein did not have his contact. Then there's the dumbasses on Twitter too making this shit worse. You'd think that most people at some point would bother to actually use their brains and seek out as much info as possible instead of taking lies and running with it, especially if they have a platform where they literally should be doing such a thing but nope. The guy was iffy about the star wars guy and whether or not he was actually a contact in Epstein's list but that same grace was not afforded to MJ.

Another edit:Oh and also it's wild MJ's false accusations are always brought and people say Elvis and Prince are better than him meanwhile Elvis and Prince were known pedos and abusers. Like are you fucking kidding me!!!)

[mj-forever-777]

I love you more! ❤️

June 11, 2003 Gary, Indiana

[beanbag0509]

DAY 13: THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT US

“black man, blackmail, throw the brother in jail” ⛓️‍💥

[welcometothetabloidjunkie]

Michael Jackson’s 2002 speech at the National Action Network was incredi...

[rolandrockover]

Kiss & Metallica Pt. 1 of 5 - The Thing That Should Not Be For the Innocent

Today we're turning the tables and taking a look at a song by someone else that might have been inspired by our favorite band for a change.

And as it's not hard to guess, Metallica's The Thing That Should Not Be from Master of Puppets (1986) and Kiss' Not For the Innocent from Lick It Up (1983) are on the agenda for today. So beware, dear conservative friends of Rock & Metal facts carved in stone, some of you might not enjoy this. Just put your dusty manuals aside for a moment and open your ears, and maybe also better your mind, and I for my part will do what I can.

And just to lay the cards on the table, I'd like to say with an experienced ear and a firm will that Hetfield, Ulrich or Hammett must have used Not For the Innocent's intro and verses as well as its fundamental atmosphere as a blueprint for The Thing That Should Not Be (1).

Just listen to Metallica's psychedelic Swamp Blues loop intro, dripping and oozing with ominous negative energy, like a harbinger just before a real disaster breaks out in order to unfold relentlessly. Once you recognize the emotional aspect of it, you can easily say pretty much the same about Kiss' version of this theme, albeit far more minimalist musically, but always punctual and stingingly accurate with their deliberate evil premonition before some really bad dudes show up that nobody can do anything about.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that I see here less a rip-off or a swipe, at least not an unrestrainedly obvious one as Stanley and Simmons have often and only too gladly demonstrated, but rather an exaggeration of a comparatively simple scheme that concentrates on its own excesses.

So if Kiss have always been comfortable with the comparison to Elvis on steroids, then in this case Metallica could easily be seen as something like Kiss being exposed to an atomic bomb explosion and then mutating into a grotesquely muscular super monster. And that's only in relation, because the similarities I'm referring to have little to do with melodies or lyrical content, but mainly structure and mood, where one still remains fairly unmistakably the product of the other.

Whatever, those who have been exposed to this comparison in the past have generally reacted in a very polarizing way, to put it mildly. There were those who jumped on it and couldn't ignore the parallels thereafter, and the others, well, I can still hear their booing and crying. You know, the people using their ears usually heard it, the ones with an attitude much less so. And in my experience, these were usually the Metallica fans who strictly adhered to those rules, which include (among presumably many others), that Metallica are just not the biggest Kiss fans in the world (rule no. 13, article 1, § 3). And whatever else (2), but in this respect, they hardly differ in any way from most of the Kiss-obsessed.

I mean, you don't have to necessarily be someone's biggest fan to recognize something in their music to make use out of it, do you? As if it was a shame.

Maybe I'll even turn it into a six-parter, who knows?

Side Note:

(1) Oh, there was a highly sensitive reaction to this one, and it was torpedoed for all it was worth by precisely those who were expected to do so.

(2) Other discrepancies related for example to James Hetfield's Lovecraftesque lyrics and having nothing at all to do with Kiss, but in my opinion that's also just as flimsy, as if one would accuse a retelling of a story or a reinterpretation of a painting of using different words and different colors without addressing the content. And oh, there was more, but what can you do about it?

The Thing That Should Not Be (1986)

Not For the Innocent (1983)

[angelfacemjj]

This may be a hot take, but it's very visible, on ppl that make jokes on the s/a allegations against Michael Jackson, that they absolutely dgaf about csa survivors, n' I think we should talk about that.