#wade robson

[hello-nichya-here]

My love for MJ aside, speaking purely as someone who is looking into all the accusations against him and trying to be as unbiased as possible, it's CRAZY how the fans are labeled as being "in denial about the truth" when they are clearly correct in saying there's more than enough proof of his innocence.

Literally EVERYTHING is on Michael's side: eye-witnesses, videos, recorded phone calls, documents, and well-over a decade of FBI investigations, all of which contradict every single part of the stories about the supposed child abuse.

The proof of his innocence goes from "The pictures police took of Michael's genitals did not match the description the kid provided" to "This family that claims Michael kidnapped them and forced them to sell all their stuff, including their house, so they'd be dependent on him was confirmed to be lying since they still owned all the things they said they were forced to sell", all the way to "Michael wasn't even in the same country as the supposed victim at the time, and in fact, the very ROOM in which the the abuse allegedly happened did not even exist yet"

Not to mention proof that first "victim" (Jordan Chandler) was coerced by his abusive father into accusing Michael, that the family of the second "victim" (Gavin Arvizo) already having a history of scams that included lying about sexual abuse, and the Leaving Neverland documentary (that talks about the alledged abuse of James Safechuck and Wade Robson) was discovered to be copying an erotic book written by a confessed pedophile that wanted to share his fantasies about Michael abusing children.

Meanwhile all the people who say he was guilty have as proof is "Well, I saw an interview with the pedo that wrote that pornographic book and assumed it was true" or "I heard on a TV show 30 years ago that he was guilty and paid hush money to the victims and never checked that the investigation was still going and that the boy was even allowed to testify in court if he wanted to" or "This maid that was fired for stealing stuff from Michael's home claims she saw him molesting Jordan Chandler in Neverland - even though Jordan says he was abused during the tour, not in Neverland, so even if you were to believe his story you'd still have to assume this woman is lying."

It really is no wonder the 1993 and 2013 allegations did not even managed to get a proper trial with how little there was to work with, and the 2005 one led to Michael being found innocent of all charges in record time - I strongly suspect that if it wasn't for the former case, it wouldn't even have made it to court in the first place either with how nonsensical it was.

[dukeofdelirium]

You ever done a summary of all the allegations, about all the accusers? Like, what they alleged? Did there seem to be any pattern? Were any of them somewhat believable? Did any witness seem credible?

I have made threads for both the Chandler allegations as well as the Arvizo allegations. I was going to make threads on Safechuck and Robson but then I had a death in the family and never got around to it. I could still make them if I have enough interest and engagement. Lemme know if y’all want me to, and I will.

My Chandler thread ☝🏻

My Arvizo thread ☝🏻

Here’s another post I made talking about the “documentary” Leaving Neverland though I didn’t go into extensive details because that would be quite a long read.

I have lots of other posts but nothing compiled as extensively like the above threads.

As for your questions, yes I have extensively researched these allegations and each individual case. The accusers all paint Michael in very different lights with different abuse patterns and grooming habits. They often contradict one another’s allegations.

For example: Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo never claimed they were anally raped by Michael. They just said they were touched by him. The only individual that ever claimed anal rape was Victor Gutierrez, a NAMBLA member and “journalist” that MJ sued for slander and libel and won… fyi NAMBLA stands for “North American Man Boy Love Association”. As in, it’s a pro-pedophilia group… he was a self admitted pedophile and made up lies that MJ anally raped Jordan Chandler, despite Jordan never saying this. Jordan even signed legal declarations saying this was untrue…

So isn’t it strange then, that Wade and James allege that MJ anally raped them? The first two accusers never said that. But suddenly they switch up his alleged abuse habits.

They stole the stories from Gutierrez, who wrote a child porn book full of lies like this. They also stole many other stories from this book.

In order to attack the allegations against MJ, you must aim for the origin. The first allegation. The Chandler allegations. Which I have thoroughly discredited on here in numerous posts. If that allegation is false, and there is every reason to believe it is, then every other one crumbles. They’re all built off of that first allegation.

And lastly, no, there are no credible witnesses. The prosecution of 2005’s trial were so lacking in evidence that they brought in witnesses that even the tabloid media didn’t trust. All of these witnesses (including the Neverland 5 that I have a link to in my Chandler thread) splattered under cross examination. They sold stories to tabloids, and depending on the amount of money being offered, the stories would change or grow in intensity.

The prosecution had witnesses that all claimed they witnessed with their own eyes Michael molesting Macaulay Culkin, Wade Robson and Brett Barnes.

The defense then had their first three witnesses testify: Mac, Wade, and Brett. All three vehemently denied being molested, and Wade Robson himself testified as Michael Jackson’s star witness.

To entertain Michael Jackson’s guilt is insanity. No rational, sane person could believe these allegations when seriously scrutinizing them. They require time travel and teleportation to be truthful. They don’t conform to the facts of these cases, they don’t conform to reality, and they don’t conform to logic.

[onlybuilt4expensivetaste]

Fun fact: Wade Robson was the one who suggested Britney Spears carry the snake in her iconic VMA performance, a performance that was very similar to the late Aaliyah’s music video months before.

[perezhilton]

These Michael Jackson fans need to simmer! All the Britney Spears details HERE!

[laverdad-sobre-michaeljackson]

UPDATE #5: Ultimas noticias en el caso de Wade y James

En la audiencia del 28 de febrero de 2024, esto fue lo que paso:

Se ha concedido a Wade y James la consolidación de sus casos, cosa que el patrimonio estaba presionando para que no se les concediera. Ahora se hará un solo juicio por los dos casos.

Wade y James están presionando para que el juicio se realice en 2025, antes del estreno de la película biográfica. John Carpenter, el abogado principal de Wade y James, habló con Rolling Stone sobre las empresas y el Patrimonio de Jackson: "Quieren que la película biográfica de Michael Jackson salga antes del juicio. Eso es lo que pienso” (…) “Estas corporaciones que facilitaron el abuso en primer lugar, están reescribiendo la historia".

Las empresas de Jackson, por el contrario, quieren renunciar a la regla de los juicios rápidos de tres años y transferir los casos al departamento de litigios complejos. Sus abogados creen que los casos no estarán listos hasta después de diciembre de 2026. También creen que un juicio durará aproximadamente 20 días.

La próxima audiencia judicial es el 5 de junio. Aun así ambas partes deben presentar sus respectivos informes sobre la preparación del juicio antes del 22 de mayo.

[taylorvaughnsaidso]

'my understanding' 'i think' - wants some of that Britney publicity is what I take from this....

[ladypeck]

10 Facts About Michael Jackson's Child Abuse Investigation

1. There is no dispute that, at age 34, Michael Jackson slept more than 30 nights in a row in the same bed with 13-year-old Jordie Chandler at the boy’s house with Chandler’s mother present. He also slept in the same bed with Jordie Chandler at Chandler’s father’s house. The parents were divorced.

2. So far, five boys Michael Jackson shared beds with have accused him of abuse: Jordie Chandler, Jason Francia, Gavin Arvizo, Wade Robson, and Jimmy Safechuck. Jackson had the same nickname for Chandler and Arvizo: “Rubba.” He called Robson “Little One” and Safechuck “Applehead.”

3. Jackson paid $25 million to settle the Chandlers’ lawsuit, with $18 million going to Jordie, $2.5 million to each of the parents, and the rest to lawyers. Jackson said he paid that sum to avoid something “long and drawn out.” Francia also received $2.4 million from Jackson.

4. Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings.

5. The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds.

6. Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there.

7. According to the Neverland staff interviewed by the Santa Barbara authorities, no one ever saw or knew of a woman spending the night with Michael Jackson, including his two spouses, Debbie Rowe or Lisa Marie Presley. Rowe, the mother of two of Jackson’s children, made it clear to the Santa Barbara authorities that she never had sex with Jackson.

8. The parents of boys Jackson shared beds with were courted assiduously and given myriad expensive gifts. Wade Robson’s mother testified in the 2005 trial that she funneled wages through Jackson’s company and was given a permanent resident visa. Jimmy Safechuck’s parents got a house. Jordie Chandler’s mother got a diamond bracelet.

9. Two of the fathers of those who have accused Jackson, Jordie Chandler and Wade Robson, committed suicide. Both were estranged from their sons at the time.

10. In a 2002 documentary, Living with Michael Jackson, Jackson told Martin Bashir there was nothing wrong with sharing his bed with boys.

Taken from an article in Vanity Fair that was written by Maureen Orth.

[dukeofdelirium]

I hope I’m not the only one that got so pissed at the part of the film where they were like “The fans were so mean boohoo”, like I was pissed at most of it but that part really irked me. First of all, they had Robbery’s wife who knew jackshit about what was going on, then they had his sister who just went “These people didn’t even know him.” Obviously, she didn’t either if she thought he was so great up until that point. They even added people’s reaction: cursing him out and saying he keeps changing his story, which just made us look crazy.

Wade Flopson can take several seats.

He and James have changed their stories so many times that it’s genuinely hard to keep track of it. They’ve filed 11+ versions of the same civil lawsuits lmao.

And Wade’s wife is a stupid ass bitch. She and Wade literally ASKED MICHAEL if they could get MARRIED at his ranch, the very place he now claims he was serially raped at, DURING MJs criminal trial. They even made videos using the ranch’s land and in said videos, they thank Michael directly for allowing them to use the property.

Wade’s dumb ass wife tried to claim in Leaving Neverland that she wasn’t a victim of child sexual abuse, but on the website her and Wade operate asking for donations so they can skirt taxes, it stated that she WAS a victim of CSA. So of course, once fans realized that and called them out, they quickly deleted this from the site.

Wade and James are also grifting money off the backs of REAL csa survivors and trying to give life coach and therapy sessions for HUNDREDS of dollars, when neither of them are licensed or certified. This is why on their sites, they make you sign a legal disclaimer that it’s for entertainment purposes, so that no one can sue them. Because it’s fucking ILLEGAL to do what they’re doing.

They’re literally criminals. All of them. They’re all proven liars, too. They aren’t survivors of jack shit, and I’m saying this as a man who HAS BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED! They’re full of it.

Ppl have been trying to make us fans seem crazy for decades, but especially during that 2005 trial where media mouthpieces hired paid actors to go to the court house pretending to be MJ fans just to make us look insane.

But what’s really insane is proclaiming a man is guilty of abusing children when all evidence proves otherwise.

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MICHAEL JACKSON MOLESTATION ALLEGATIONS BY WADE ROBSON WILL GO TO TRIAL

Michael Jackson will effectively be tried for allegedly molesting choreographer Wade Robson when he was a child. The California Court of Appeal just cleared the way for Robson to make his case — alleging MJ molested him at the Neverland Ranch when Robson was between the ages of 7 and 14. The issue — Robson is suing Michael Jackson’s corporation — MJJ Productions, Inc. Jackson’s company lawyers…

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He literally had Wade Robson in an Afro and a spray tan to play a younger "black" version of him in a commercial a year before this.

Michael Jackson once told Oprah he didn’t want a white actor to play him

In the middle of a controversy over white actor Joseph Fiennes’ new role as Michael Jackson in an upcoming British TV movie, who better to hear from than the King of Pop himself? In 1993, Jackson explained his pride in being black. That didn’t stop Fiennes from coming up with an excuse for his casting.

[boricuacherry-blog]

This sums up a lot of my feelings on MJ (with the allegations), it's from someone who used to be a fan. Many say there is no smoking gun in regards to the allegations, but for me the smoking gun was his own statements, along with reading about pedophiles from a csa expert that match all of his exact behaviors, as well as the exact process his victims all describe (And the disturbing photos of little boys) But here is one fan's thoughts:

As a victim of abuse, and as an adult, ironically, I worked with a pedophile for years without knowing....And I knew what to look for! Think about the ramifications of that.

I'm a huge fan of MJ...or was. You never truly stop. And I grew up loving the man and his music. I was definitely groomed...as we all were, if only to love him. And his 'people' were very careful to ensure we loved MJ the man (god?), as well as (if not more so) than his music.

But after reading the numerous court case transcripts and watching the documentaries...the ones which allow MJ to speak and his victims to be heard...it isn't the victims of MJ but his own words and actions (that I've seen/heard first hand) which concern me the most.

To explain both sides, we actually only need MJ's words and his documented actions.

I try not to be biased, despite being a victim of abuse...because I've also been accused of abuse (and exonerated)... by a former colleague so I know how it feels to be innocent but under suspicion.

The sex offender I knew is now in prison but everyone around him had to be investigated so they could be cleared. But I know firsthand how awful that process was as an innocent. So I'm careful to see both sides.

If MJ was accused once by a stranger, I would have had my doubts, but likely sided with MJ if sufficient evidence wasn't produced.

But MJ was accused again and again...and again (and again) by the closest people to him. Children and adults alike. His own staff. Families he helped. Friends. Colleagues, acquaintances and more.

This is all deeply problematic...and despite paying tens of millions in settlements again and again (which alone is worrisome), MJ consciously kept on sleeping with other people's children.

And when he had his own kids...he went to extraordinary lengths to make sure the mother wasn't part of his life with those kids. Kids who went on to have very troubled lives.

Although I don't believe MJ ever directly physically abused his own family (though he did hang baby Blanket out of a 5th floor window for a photo op).

It's relevant to say that the pedophile I worked with never abused me or anyone in front of me or close to him...so I'm never surprised when MJ's family or Macaulay says, "we never saw it." But that's the point of abuse. It doesn't happen in public or it's not meant to. Though with MJ, I believe at least a form of abuse did occur in plain sight after he spent years systematically normalizing odd behavior.

It's a fact that MJ had a giant bed in a separate wing of his child-themed Neverland Ranch, connected by one long corridor with a security system he personally installed. Which he claimed was designed to warn him if anyone was coming towards the bedroom...where he slept with other peoples' kids.

I've watched him say the latter on video. And even if he was tricked into miscommunication (it happens)...that is yet more evidence of a man unsuited to child care.

To reasonable people who ask, "did he abuse kids sexually?" I say there are many forms of abuse which can ruin lives. But 'that's not the only point.'

As a trusted adult with influence, money and power, MJ undeniably grossly abused his position of trust time and time again.

When it comes to childcare, the latter is enough to be a huge problem for 99% of average people. And if you abuse your own kids... in any way...it's somehow even worse.

We know without a shadow of a doubt that MJ repeatedly demonstrated a total lack of good decision making. Simply being involved with all these kids (often poor, vulnerable and even sick) in a way which could lead to the children feeling wronged, betrayed...abused even.

The latter is based on an endless parade of self-produced (by MJ) evidence from sanctioned interviews and court documents. I repeat....MJ's own words and actions continue to give me the most concern, as they should any reasonable person and especially parents.

Even if MJ was 100% innocent of every claim (statistically unlikely), by acting as he did...he let the possibility of abuse arise in the media and in peoples' minds.

Which unsurprisingly resulted in long painful court cases, for not just MJ, but also the kids torn between the lawyers and the parents and the media. Again, that is indisputable. And at the very least...MJ's lack of good judgment...as the most powerful adult involved...makes him responsible for that suffering. 👏

Simply by sleeping with a stranger's child or trying to be their "best friend" and ignoring the age and power dynamic...MJ and his enablers were all putting these kids' wellbeing and emotional health at risk (again and again). He without a doubt put his own needs (legal or otherwise) before these innocent kids. Again, this is indisputable based on documentary evidence.

I don't know about anyone else but I've never slept with strangers' kids, or promoted that idea as "acceptable" as MJ did in interviews. I have enough common sense and know what adults are capable of. And what I could be accused of. You just don't do it under any circumstances. Unless you believe rules/laws/morality...don't apply to you. 👈

And if you wonder why people push back so hard on the facts of this sad case...even after his death...then you need to understand that the MJ estate generates $400-800 million a year for his family and lawyers, who are the people that push back the hardest.

And fans push back...because MJ spent decades brain washing us all that he was a protector of children around the world...as his own HIStory tour claimed. And he was a good entertainer who we wanted to love.

I watched MJ's 1996 deposition video recently and was stunned at how careless/callous he was. He laughed and joked and yawned and messed about while lawyers and the authorities literally pulled his carefully built reputation through the mud.

This was a man who had the most expensive legal team in the entire world. He had months to prepare. But this was his plan. To behave like the claims, so serious they could put him away for life, were a joke.

And if that was a legal strategy, it makes him the best actor and liar on earth. And if that's true...then how could we trust anything he said.

A man child who lived in a literal make believe land based around the dream of never growing up...or more accurately never taking responsibility for his actions...Never never...land.

In many ways MJ was all the wonderful things he claimed he was...but he was also someone who was 100% guilty of gross misconduct with other peoples' children and allegedly guilty of countless cases of sexual abuse.

Even if MJ's crime was only consistently terrible judgment...it still lead to the widely proven emotional abuse of multiple children. That is enough for me as a fan...to walk away. And those who covered for him were/are equally guilty of a form of abuse against vulnerable children.

All except the victims who lied out of fear (and love). Children will defend their friends...their idol...their abusers...but as adults, and in his death, some were able to break free of their emotional dependency or fear of repercussion.

Arguably the alleged victims have had their lives destroyed twice. Once by MJ and then again by his estate, his fans, and the media.

Summary:

There are always two sides. I base my opinion on MJ's own documented words and actions. Alongside my wish for him to be innocent, but knowing my own experience with sexual predators.

It is MJ who convicted himself as guilty of child abuse. I don't know exactly what type of abuse, but any abuse (and repeated abuse) is unacceptable. And without a doubt, a number of the children he chose to be involved with were damaged through their interaction with him. The latter cannot be overstated. People focus so much on victim testimony and material evidence (which are important too, and were present at Neverland) but MJ's own response to the accusation makes it clear as day.

There are enough victims of undeniable abuse at his hands who also claim there was a sexual element to it...that I feel it is fair to say he was most likely a pedophile. More than enough kids have stated he showed them porn and gave them liquor, on top of abuse. At the end of the day, he cannot do any more harm, though his family and estate still hurt his alleged victims.

I have never bought the skin disease theory. At best, Jermaine tiptoed around it and said they were using bleaching creams in the 70s for blemishes....the fact is, you can trigger it all over your body by using those chemicals. Plus MJ went full body dark like mocha, then latte, then casper all at once...that doesn't happen. No makeup in the 70s to 80s could cover him from head to toe as he was pouring sweat.

So stop re-victimizing the victims! If you want to continue believing he's innocent, that doesn't mean it's ok to bash the accusers.

Being found not guilty in one trial against one accuser does not automatically equate to innocence. Especially with all the other allegations.

[onlybuilt4expensivetaste]

I know Maculay Culkin has lots of Hollywood (horror) stories 🥺

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I don’t have solid proof of this, but I feel like Wade Robson totally snitched to his white homies (NSYNC and Britney) and gave ideas from certain black artists to them, yes…

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MICHAEL JACKSON'S ACCUSERS WIN APPEAL; WILL GO FORWARD TO SUE JACKSON'S PRODUCTION COMPANY

Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the men who accused Michael Jackson of molesting them will be able to sue Michael Jackson’s companies. A California appeals court on Friday revived the lawsuits after a judge dismissed the case in 2021. Wade Robson, one of the subjects of the 2019 HBO documentary “Leaving Neverland,” first filed the lawsuit in 2013. Robson alleges that Michael Jackson began…