#Jason & Cass are both 8 while Tim & Duke & Steph are 7

[incorrectbatfam]

Hi. I'm having a bad day and I'm real sad, so do you have a top 10 times Damian was too teeny tiny list or smth? No worries if not.

10) Cass can squish both his cheeks in one hand, and she does so while calling him a baby.

9) Dick once mistook Damian for a couch cushion.

8) When he and Duke play video games, his hands can never wrap completely around the controller.

7) Once it was raining on a stakeout so Kate sheltered him under her cape.

6) When Steph takes him out to eat he always insists on getting an adult menu, but then complains about the lack of mazes and word searches.

5) Barbara always has to check around her wheelchair after she didn't see Damian one time.

4) When he curls up, he can use Jason's jacket as a blanket. They discovered that when he fell asleep in the Batmobile and Jason decided to do his job as an older brother for once.

3) One time Damian was injured and not thinking straight, and in the smallest voice he called Alfred "grandfather."

2) Every now and then, Damian goes to Tim when he has a nightmare. Tim doesn't know why and is hesitant to ask. Later on, he hears through the grapevine that Damian does it so Tim can feel like he actually has the little brother he always wanted.

1) Bruce, in his tired state, said he hoped Damian never grows up. That night, Damian paid Constantine a visit.

Honorable mention) As a baby, Talia would hide him entirely with one arm when Ra's was angry.

[were-wolverine]

my take on the Reverse Robins au

damian - bruce met talia and trained with the LoA a few years before becoming Batman. a couple years into being Batman, talia leaves a 7-8 year old damian on bruce’s doorstep. he has to help damian unlearn years of violence and lets him become Batman’s sidekick as an outlet. not sure what his hero name would be yet tbh but i’ll probably just go with Batboy. he becomes a vigilante at 9 y/o

duke - he’s 10 when his parents are jokerized, and he runs away from foster care. he uses his powers to try and become a vigilante but he’s still ten and untrained. batman finds him losing control of his powers and helps him calm down (he works with the justice league, he knows how to deal with super-powered beings). bruce takes him in and while at first damian (14) is wary of being replaced, duke grows on him rather quickly. bruce takes him to the JL and barry & clark help him learn to control his powers. eventually, after being trained by bruce and learning to control his meta abilities, he becomes Signal (at around 13 y/o)

tim - once bruce wayne officially has two kids, the drakes ask him if tim can stay at Wayne Manor whenever they’re out of the country. the boys know each other from galas and get along well, so bruce agrees (he can also tell tim doesn’t have very many friends and is quite lonely). so tim ends up spending a lot of time at the Manor and ofc connects the dots of bruce and his kids disappearing whenever Batman and his partners appear. he basically just tells them he knows and asks if he can do anything to help. so they give him access to the Batcomputer and he directs them on missions and helps with cases. he starts staying at Wayne Manor when he’s about 10 (damian is 16 and duke is 12) and figures out their identities a year or so later. over comms he goes by ‘T’ and later ‘Rumor’. eventually his parents die in a plane crash and he (15) is officially adopted by bruce

steph - she starts out as Spoiler at 13 (damian is 19, duke is 15, tim is also 13). damian has become his own hero at this point: Leviathan. steph works with Signal the most but will work with Leviathan on occasion. damian is a reluctant older brother figure to her and pretends to find her annoying but is secretly very protective of her. she tended to avoid Batman until damian pestered bruce into reaching out and offering to train her which she happily accepted. when they reveal their identities to her she finally meets tim (who is usually just on comms with them) and befriends him immediately. they become besties and an unstoppable duo

cass - same origin of being raised a weapon and running away. she shows up in gotham one day and stays in hiding for a while before letting Batman see her and confront her. she ends up going home with him and the others just accept that they have a sister now. her and damian are the closest because they understand each other best, but tim is her favorite sibling. she is a few years younger than tim and steph. she is 14 when she arrives in gotham (tim and steph are 16, duke is 18, damian is 22). she goes by Orphan and later Black Bat

jason - same origin of stealing the batmobile’s tires at 12. he is three years younger than cass (15). damian (23) has been his own vigilante for years now so jason takes up the Batboy mantle (duke is 19, tim & steph are 17). he is killed by the joker at 15, and returns as Red Hood at 17

dick - same origin of parents death and bruce being at the circus. he is 9, jason is 13, cass is 16, tim & steph are 18, duke is 20, damian is 24. jason and cass are dick’s favorite siblings (and the only ones who still live in the manor). jason is Batboy, cass is Black Bat, tim is Rumor, steph is Spoiler, duke is Signal, and Damian is Leviathan. dick becomes Robin at 10

babs - dick’s friend from school, they’re on the mathlete team together. she is a year younger than him, but they are both very smart. has yet to get into the vigilante business but probably will eventually. knows dick is Robin. her and dick once hacked into the pentagon because they were bored. absolutely terrifying duo. they become friends in middle school- dick is 12, babs is 11

[puppetmaster13u]

@phoenixcatch7 I need to know if you know about the Mystery Flesh Pit (if not there's a Wendigoon video) but that's the sort of vibes I am getting from your description of the Hive and I am here for that.

Honestly I think there'd be a reason for the fact the Wayne's family home is right on top of the heart of the Tunnels, but I'm not to sure which reason that is quite yet. Perhaps the original reason has been lost to time now.

Love the thought of Bruce's throat being connected to the back cavity lol. Or he just has multiple esophagus. It's not like he's in a rush to figure it out because honestly it gives him a migraine when he thinks about it too hard. I like to think the goons don't even see what he spits up and pockets, only that it's either plastic or metal lol.

Continuing to think about This AU idea and just, slowly rotating it like a microwave.

@phoenixcatch7 had the fun idea of xenomorph-inspiration and the dollhouse being replaced by the Hive instead and I am here for that. A large cave that feels utterly wrong to anyone not part of their colony, if they can even find it. I am thinking something similar to Gemini Home Entertainment if anyone has watched that, with something between plant and flesh growing across the walls. Where one can't tell the difference between the two, or realize that it's already gripping onto them. The caves are already dangerous after all, nevermind the depths that It doesn't let anyone else into.

Also made me think about Jason, and like, so he doesn't die in the cryptid au, and definitely wouldn't in a world where he has a flesh puppet. But that still makes me think about how badly said puppet would be utterly maimed, right? Not to mention the explosion that would burn a lot of it too alongside whatever affect that'd have on his mind and human body. But now I am thinking of how the tunnels are everywhere under Gotham, how the bits of tendrils can reach through that ash, can meld with it, can for a cocoon of sorts. Turning a little robin into something else, letting it evolve into something new.

I am also rotating on if they'd be known to the Justice League like in the Doll au or if only Clark knows about them like in the Genesis au. Tempted for the second if only so there can be fun distinctly Not Human moments. Maybe the Justice League even getting concerned for their friend Superman because there's times he'll whistle or chirp under his breath (he might have picked up a few habits from his friends from Gotham) or literally snap his teeth if he's startled.

But oh the lil robins would probably be so adorable. Very fluffy and downy and brightly colored in a clear warning, but still unsettling. The way they move isn't right, like a jerky contortionist, but can also go too fluid or completely inhumanely still within a heartbeat. Not helped by the fact they don't need to breathe. O h, the batfam could most definitely be venomous. What with how in both Aus they use paralytics and sedatives on their claws and spikes, It could definitely include that within the secondary bodies.

[kbkirtley]

Nightwing has always been a favorite character of mine, but I mainly steered away from the Batfamily generally because Batman/Bruce isn’t a character I gravitate towards. Over the last year, though, I’ve watched/read a lot of the rest of the fam through different shows, Nightwing comics, Batgirls comics, and Wayne Family Adventures. Here is my definitive ranking of the Batfamily*:

Tier Seven: A Literal Murderer

10. Red Hood - Jason Todd

Y’all know he kills people right? Every other post I see about him on here is talking about him being a cinnamon roll or a perfect gentleman and it seems to get lost that he walks around shooting people with regularity. Doesn’t even seem particularly remorseful about it. I get that you died, man, but like half the heroes in DC have died at some point and they’re not filling people with lead. You’d think with all his money, Bruce could send his kids to see a therapist but I guess that’s a lot to ask of a man who processed his own grief and trauma by dressing up like a bat to fight thieves and muggers.

Tier Six: You Couldn’t Pay Me All of Bruce Wayne’s Money to Stay in a Room with Them for Five Minutes

9. Batman - Bruce Wayne

8. Red Robin - Tim Drake

I find both Bruce and Tim to be pretty insufferable. They’re smart but not smart enough to realize how to be smart without being a dick about it. Too clever for their own good and while they’re ranked higher here than Jason, I’d still much rather be in a room with Jason than either of them. Death would be welcomed if my alternative was having to listen to Bruce or Tim talk for more than fifteen seconds.

Tier Five: Need More Data Points

7. Signal - Duke Thomas

I basically only know Duke from WFA which is a fun series but doesn’t give me a ton to go off of big picture. Jury’s still out but I like his odds of not slipping.

Tier Four: Children Get Benefit of Doubt

6. Robin - Damian Wayne

Damian annoys me but in his defense, he is a literal child that was raised by assassins. He gets this spot because of extenuating circumstances and his relationships with Dick and Jon Kent.

Tier Three: The Batgirls

5. Spoiler - Steph Brown

4. Orphan - Cass Caín

3. Oracle - Barbara Gordon

I would be willing to die for any of these characters but they would never let that happen. Probably the most fluid tier. Have more connection to Babs because of my intro to the Batfamily primarily coming from Dick. Cass is second here largely because of her and Dick being perfect together in WFA. Steph lost the straw poll but could easily be third the next time I do this with little effort.

Tier Two: The Billionaire Butler

2. Alfred Pennyworth

The actual father figure of the Batfamily. Every ounce of every one of the Batfamily members success as actual humans is because of Alfred. Batman may have made them all good crime fighters, but Alfred made them good people. Alfred made them heroes.

Tier One: Boy Wonder

1. Nightwing - Dick Grayson

This was always going to be number one. It was never a question. Dick is my favorite superhero and quite possibly my favorite fictional character in general. He was never not winning this ranking.

*Only doing characters I’m mostly familiar with so if someone is missing I just don’t have enough connection to them yet - feel free to send recs to know them better!

[dysfunctional-family-fight]

Propaganda for the Batfamily

"Constantly fighting, and trying to kill each other. Also are fighting the mentally I’ll at 2 in the morning while wearing glorified tights and bat ears"

"*gestures vaguely at every batfam story ever* No but like they’ve got so many issues idk where to start. Jason’s death and all the shit he started post resurrection? Damian straight up trying to kill Tim for while back in the day? Bruce’s questionable and inconsistently written parenting skills? Also they’re all vigilantes which in Gotham means they definitely have issues"

"Thomas and Martha Wayne got murdered and it's all been downhill from there"

"Bruce dresses up as a bat to fight crime and Alfred, failing to stop him, adopts a "well if you're going to do it then at least do it where I can see that you'll be safe" attitude and helps from behind the scenes. Bruce in turn adopts a child called Dick. And then a child called Jason. And then a Cass and a Tim and a Duke. It doesn't really work out with a Steph but she's family anyway. Damian doesn't need adopting because he's Bruce's bio kid that he didn't know existed for ten years. And all of the children are SO determined to fight crime that the combined forces of Bruce and Alfred aren't enough to stop them, and one by one they all become vigilantes (Bruce also adopting Alfred's attitude from before). Most of them die at least once. None of them are good at coping OR communicating OR feelings OR being a member of a functioning family but by god if they aren't trying to help. Sometimes the world, sometimes each other. They usually fare better with the former. Bruce and Dick yell at each other about everything under the sun that parents and eldest children yell at each other about. Jason is angry at Bruce because the Joker is still alive after he killed Jason. Bruce is angry at Jason for killing people. Cass is away from home a lot. Tim takes even worse care of himself than the others (on page). Duke is... actually doing pretty okay if not counting the fact that his parents got jokerised and his new family is This. Damian struggles with not killing people and a rampant animal adoption addiction. They all struggle with abandonment issues. The rest of them struggle for screentime. It's like that one vine with the girl who goes "please god, let me have just one good day" and god answers "oh my god you again? give it a rest buddy" where the family (both as a collective and as individuals) is the girl and DC Comics is god."

1 all of them have tried to kill each other at least once

2 bruce wayne is a kind of shitty dad

3 everyone but bruce and alfred were child soldiers (ish)

4 dick grayson has beefed with multiple 12 year olds after he had already grown up and moved out

5 cannot overemphasize the murders and bodily harm

6 one time bruce got lost in the timestream (comics) and everyone but tim thought he was dead and tim was like “hes alive” and everyone kinda bullied the shit out of him for it

7 one time jason got murdered by a guy and then several years later dick put him in prison down the hall from the guy

8 one time bruce beat the everloving shit out of jason for shooting a guy with a blank

9 another time bruce refused to tell jason about who killed his dad despite knowing full well

10 bruce is the main reason jason died at age 15 in the first place

11 the amount of beatings dick grayson took throughout the 50s and 60s is frankly absurd

12 in the injustice universe damian got dick killed and then bruce screamed at damian for “killing his son” despite damian also being his son. then damian joined the league of super fascists against his dad (who beat him up a lot) and then his dad put him in prison

13 bruces uncle isnt in the batfamily but after bruces traumatic orphaning his uncle did more traumatic stuff to him

"Several attempted murders, several arrests of each other, general disdain and massive fights, love that is destructive to all parties, and an inability to communicate"

"they're a family full of extremely traumatized child soldiers whose primary coping mechanism is vigilante justice. many of them have tried to kill each other multiple times. some of them have died & come back wrong. they try their best and they do care about each other but they also get into big blowout fights a lot. they all came from some form of traumatized background before being taken in. the oldest sibling (Dick) had to be a father to the youngest sibling (Damian) for a not insignificant period of time when the dad (Bruce) disappeared; this was immediately after Damian (Bruce's only biological child) had started living with them after being raised in an assassin cult by his mother for the first like decade of his life. Jason died, came back wrong, was groomed by assassins, became a drug lord, & tried to kill multiple members of his family."

"i don't think i can summarise the 80 years of familial dysfunction. my best is just. Batman is the best parental figure some of these kids have ever had. Batman."

"Take your pick of issues. Dead parents, absent parents, abusive parents, addict parents, distant parents, assassin parents. How many people are in the family? Who knows? Everyone deals with personal issues by dressing up and fighting crime in the most depressing city possible. Bruce may or may not have adopted all the kids/plays favorites."

"Bruce is addicted to adopting kids. Bruce. quit putting children into crime fighting. One of them died like how did you not learn. Dick (the first robin) is a huge ass to the next one that comes along (this is the one that died like. Super graphically and horrifically) because Bruce basically fires him as his son and Dick leaves. The one that died rose from the grave, was kidnapped/manipulated for years and has supernatural anger issues (but rightfully should be angry) tries to kill brother Tim who became robin after him for replacing him. He becomes a drug lord and starts cutting off heads. Uses guns for the bit specifically (really funny) (bruce has trauma with guns from dead parents). Bruce mean to Tim when he first comes, then finds out oh shit I have a bio kid raised by assassins that really thinks he’s epic and tries to kill Tim a bunch. It’s practically tradition for his brothers to try and kill him. I love Damian but damn babe. That’s a lot king. He also genetically got the addiction to adopting but for pets. He’s pulling up with cows and shit and keeping them. Cass is perfect and we love her. Duke has a really funny relationship with Jason, and also does some out of pocket shit in the comics (by that i mean like. Dangerous/crazy stuff but in a good way) Alfred is perpetually exhausted with them, mostly bruce. Bruce is emotionally constipated so bad, like crazy bad. This man cannot communicate and is a bad dad a lot bc of it. But he’s really trying and loves them."

[f4nd0m-fun]

Double Isekai Cryptids

@puppetmaster13u

Some images at the end BTW

@hallowsden helped me with this idea but basically...

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Gotham is a piece of Faerun that got warped to Earth decades if not centuries ago. While it's not connected to Faerun as much as it used to be, anyone there is more 'forced human' than 'actual human', at least in a general sense. If anyone happens to find themselves in Faerun though, their truer form or forms unlock, which can certainly be surprising for most. But as long as they're on earth, they seem almost entirely human, although it's best not to stare at a gothamite for too long, especially a stressed child (as those have the easiest time accidentally showing their truths).

Of course, Gotham wasn't the first planar warp, and wouldn't be the last. After all, the LoA were tied intrinsically to this as well, once a long proud line of demons, reduced to immortal humanity. No wonder Ras sought Bruce as a son-in-law, both his skills and his ties to the Before.

Alfred has technically been around since the planar warp, he just happened to decide to explore this 'new' world a few times, and see what it had to offer. Perhaps the closest equivalent to what he would be might be along the lines of an 'arch changeling' (essentially just an arch fey though).

What Thomas and Martha were, no one is really certain of, but after what happened with their first son, they tried for another. Unbeknownst to them, it died shortly after, and Alfred replaced the dead child with one of his own in an attempt to make his partners happy.

Bruce is a changeling. His parents suspected something was different, but didn't care to dig, they were just happy to have him. But when they died, his form glitched out, a partial change, the poor traumatized child being found by Gordon who was quick to wrap him up and out of sight until he calmed. Eventually, Leslie found out as well, but Bruce didn't find out for years.

Slade is a vampire. Not of the DC variety persay, but similar, just dampened by the lack of access to the Before. Due to this, his actions towards Dick caused the boy to be a hidden Dhampir, although his family already had a long line of dampened elven blood.

Jason is a Duegar, sturdy and good at tinkering, but quite used to darkness, although he may even have a little surface dwarf in him. It's not certain, but perhaps this is the true origin of that white streak he has.

Cass is a drow, showcased in her elegant movements and affinity for the darkness.

Tim is a probably a gnome, well known for their inventiveness.

Steph is a kenku, although that can change.

Duke is undecided.

Damien is technically a tiefling, altho the human in him is merely a mimcry due to the nature of his father.

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The exact reason is unknown, but Bruce and his children get scattered around Faerun during the events of BG3, Bruce taking the place as Tav. Due to the isekai plus tadpole alongside the fact that everyone got de-aged roughly a decade (time in the two realms runs differently), he has minor amnesia. As a funny not-funny, the Guardian takes the appearance of Joker, and Bruce is not happy. He's not entirely sure why he hates the figure but he knows he will annoy him as much as possible. He starts as a rogue, adds monk, focuses on monk, and then happens to notice he's apparently a warlock out of the blue? (more on that later) Idea is to have him Monk 5 Rogue 4 Warlock 3 (before any extra levels from mods).

Bruce 31, Dick 13, Jason 9, Cass 9, Steph 8, Tim 7, Duke 5, Damien 1

Jason and Cass are found in the underdark, and, even afterwards, keep (sorta jokingly) playing the twin card. Cass keeps calling Jason 'little brother' and he keeps telling her, and others, that he's older (saying how many weeks or months apart as minutes instead).

Dick and Damien are found at Last Light's Inn, having been kinda taken in by Jaheira. Dick still doesn't realize he's a Dhampir, just that he's been eating a lot more red meat. Meanwhile, Damien is far from happy in such a 'tiny, useless body' and gets into a habit of biting people (if he could speak fully, he would insist he's not teething, he's just defending himself!).

Not sure about the others.

Alfred, meanwhile, has been in a form much closer to his proper fey form recently. He spend a few Earth weeks letting the kids get up to whatever, then popped over and forced a warlock bond. Because of family among other things, it wasn't that hard to do without Bruce's explicit permission, and this way he can keep a better eye on his son. He's rather friendly with Withers, who likes to say that the After has made him soft. At the endgame party though, he shows up, and promptly drops into a more human looking form, although he feels comfortable enough around his family to keep a few otherworldly features.

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Human Alfred is slightly overweight and about 5'9; He has some wrinkles and hair that's peppered with grey; His eyes are a dark hazel; He looks like a standard human elder.

Mildly fey Alfred is a bit skinnier than would be healthy for a human and is roughly 6'5; He has a face of a man several decades younger and his hair has no grey; His eyes are an almost-glowing yellow; With double pointed ears and sharp nails, he looks even less human.

Changeling Bruce (mod) sticking as close to the appearance he knows, with some absurd proficiencies, still not sure how I ended up with such wild profs but it fits him. Starting as a rogue, with noble background of course.

Joker Guardian, Brucie will not be trusting him very much if at all.

[3-cats-in-a-coat]

My personal and somewhat flawed lists of the batfams ages from oldest to youngest are:

1. The (mostly) relative to each other list:

Alfred: either an old human or an at least 200 year old immortal fae creature with the appearance of an old British human butler

Bruce took Dick in when he’d been Batman for 3 years, so: 3 + (age Bruce became Batman) - (age Dick became an orphan) = X years older than Dick

Babs: Dick’s age + 1

Dick: Babs’ age - 1

Jason: Dick’s age - 5 (when Bruce adopted him J was 12 or 13 and Dick was 17 or 18)

Cass: Tim’s age + 1 or 2 (at least 2 months older than Steph)

Steph: Tim’s age + 1

Tim: old enough to remember the night Dick became an orphan, so was like 2 at the time

Duke: Tim’s age or a year younger

Damian: somewhere between 10 and 14, at most 15 or so

2. The (mostly) with actual numbers list (current ages):

Alfred: either a 67+ year old human or a 200+ year old immortal fae creature with the appearance of an old British human butler

Bruce: at least 45, at most 54 probably 47, 48 or 49

Babs: at least 26, at most 31, probably 28 or 29

Dick: at least 25, at most 30, probably 27 or 28

Jason: at least 20, at most 25, probably 23

Cass: at least 18, at most 24, probably 22

Steph: at least 18, at most 23, probably 21

Tim: at least 17, at most 21, probably 20

Duke: at least 16, at most 21, probably 19

Damian: at least 10, at most 15, probably 12 or 13

3. The one far too long sentence explanation:

Alfred is old enough to have raised Bruce after his parents died, Bruce is old enough to have taken in Dick during his third year of being Batman, Dick was not quite ten years old yet when Bruce took him in, Babs is a year older than Dick, Jason was adopted when he was like 12 or 13, which was after Dick stopped being Robin at the age of 17 or 18, Tim is old enough to remember being at the circus when Dick’s parents died, Dick was still Robin when a nine year old Tim had started following him around on patrol, Jason died at 15, Tim started training to become Robin a few months later, after noticing how violent Bruce had become and contacting Dick didn’t work, Tim trained to be Robin for a year before he became Robin at 13 or 14, Steph started dating Tim while they were in costume as Spoiler and Robin, she was pregnant at the time and gave birth when she was 16, Cass is a year older than Steph, Damian is old enough to remember meeting Jason when they were both in The League Of Assassins at the same time, when Tim was 17, Talia dropped off a 10 year old Damian in Gotham, Bruce got stuck in the time stream for a year a few months later, Duke became Signal when he was 16, Bruce also became his foster dad around that time, Tim is somehow still 17 when Damian turns 14.

4. Honorable mentions list:

Roy Harper: Dick’s age - 1, at least 24, at most 29, probably 27

Lian Harper: somewhere between 17 to 21 years younger than Roy, at least 3, at absolute most 12, probably 5 to 8, most likely 7 or so

Cal-El/Clark Kent: old enough to have a child that’s just turned 21

Kon-El/Konner Kent (spelling his human name as Konner with a K just makes more sense to me and the alliteration is nice, okay?): The aforementioned 21 year old, because this makes him roughly the same age as Tim and of legal drinking age

Bernard Dowd: also roughly Tim’s age

Jon-El/Jonathan Kent (Clark’s son, who’s alive, why are there so many people named Jonathan Kent???): Damian’s age

Jor-El/Jordan Kent (Jon’s twin brother who I’m not sure even exists outside the arrowverse and one fic I’ve read): him and Jon are both the same age as Damian

Trying to figure out a reasonable age difference for the Robins is like the worst math word problem except you measure the answer with your heart

[sohotthateveryonedied]

so i’m trying to write duke and i don’t think i’m writing him right. how would you describe his personality because with don’t trust fanon lmfaooo

(this was only supposed to be a paragraph or two i swear to god)

1. first things first, duke is a hardcore gryffindor. don’t let the yellow color scheme mislead you, okay. and while most of the time he’s depicted in fanon as “omg this family is crazy and i’m the only sane one,” it’s actually pretty much the opposite? if anything, i think the other batkids would be like “oh finally, someone who can match our level of chaotic energy. HEY DUKE WANNA BUNGEE JUMP OFF WAYNE TOWER—” and an hour later they’d all be in the batcave getting lectured by bruce for leading poor sweet innocent duke astray when really he was already planning on doing that this weekend.

listen, this is the kid who once jumped off a bridge to escape police. this is the dude who decided to fight criminals while they’re still eating their wheaties at 6am in a bright yellow suit. and while duke seems to be the best at following bruce’s command at the moment due to having been trained by him most recently compared to the others and is still figuring out how to be a hero, i’m positive that if bruce weren’t here to guide him, duke would be running around gotham taking down criminals anyway. i mean, he literally did do that with the “we are robin” kids. plus there was the whole thing when he was like ten years old and decided “i am going to singlehandedly stop the riddler in my light up sketchers and pikachu backpack. try and stop me.” 

duke is headstrong and has a strong drive toward heroism. he’s an extremely enthusiastic and passionate person in general, and i try to capture a little of that when i write him, even with mundane things like trying to beat his siblings to the last cupcake. 

2. another thing i noticed is that duke swears like a sailor in comics? seriously, this boy could give jason a run for his money with how many “@#!%” speech bubbles there are. i don’t know if this is just a trend the writers added in the comics i’ve read of him, or if it’s a genuine trait throughout every comic he’s in, but that’s something to make note of when writing dialogue for duke. after all, he did grow up in the narrows, so it makes sense that he’d use a lot of swearing and slang in his everyday vernacular.

3. i would also make a point of noting that duke is fairly young compared to the rest of the batfamily, being the second youngest after damian. duke is still a teenager in high school, and he acts like it. he’s got homework and friends and is eager to make a difference in gotham, trying to juggle everything and make it all work somehow. he’s stubborn and doesn’t give up easily, so it’s important to write him as someone who is trying to save the world while also struggling with finding time to study for his next math test. he's human. he doesn’t get to dedicate all of his time to fighting crime like cass or jason might be able to, since duke is still a mostly normal teenager with teenager problems.

4. and don’t forget that unlike the other batkids, duke still has two living parents. sure, they’re jokerized and might not ever be the same again, but they’re alive and that’s what holds him back from letting himself get as close to the waynes as he wants to. duke won’t be calling bruce “dad” anytime soon, and i think he’d have some internal struggle over stuff like holidays and birthdays with the waynes, remembering what his parents are missing out on and wondering if joining the wayne family is a betrayal to them. duke is very conflicted over this, even if he doesn’t say it directly. stuff like ducking out of movie night early or feeling a bittersweet pang during thanksgiving dinner makes sense for someone in his situation. 

(i usually ignore that aspect in my fics because i want duke to just be adopted and part of the family already, but not everyone does that, and that’s perfectly fine.)

5. honestly, duke is such a caring individual and we as a fandom need more of him being a shoulder for people to lean on because he’s?? so soft?? duke can be so sympathetic and rational when it comes to emotional problems. it seems like duke internalizes every bit of advice he gets from the people around him and uses it to inspire others and help them through their own problems. as tough and hotheaded as duke can sometimes be, he really is good when it comes to emotions.

6. duke is a smartass. he will 100% use sarcasm against any and every authority figure he meets, usually just for the hell of it. 

7. he’s very frank in general, usually the first to be like “okay full disclosure, we’re about to die right now. that sucks. anyway—” in a situation. he’s honest and tends to be upfront about his fears/anxieties, usually for comic relief, but i think it still counts.

8. okay i have to add that duke is also kind of a punk? he and jason have a lot in common because of this: they both grew up in one of gotham’s worse areas (jay in crime alley and duke in the narrows) and they’re both highkey deliquents. duke has no problem getting into fights or talking back to authority figures, and it’s gotten him in hot water on more than one occasion. it’s why he kept getting moved around the foster system before bruce took him in because no one wanted to keep him.

9. he’s also gotten so close with the other batkids and we love to see it!! duke calls cass “sis” and treats damian like the annoying little brother he never had and i adore every second of it. we haven’t gotten a lot of interactions between duke and the others aside from training and stuff, but he and jason have the whole “punk kid who got adopted by batman and is baffled by how rich people live” going for them, so they can bond over that. and duke is a thinker like tim, so they can hang out and do puzzles or play chess or whatever it is that smart people do. (and duke and steph are BESTIES i don’t care what anyone says.)

10. most of all, duke is still learning how the whole hero thing works. he’s young and he’s trying his best, but he also makes mistakes. he will be impulsive and screw up, and he’ll try and merge the lessons batman’s taught him and that his parents taught him and that other heroes teach him until it all makes sense in his own mind. duke isn’t experienced like dick or even damian, so he’s going to be lagging behind for a while until he grows until the role he’s made for himself.

other miscellaneous details to include: 

- duke is dating izzy, who used to be part of the “we are robin” gang with him - he used to live at the manor and now lives with his cousin jay, but honestly i just have him living at the manor in everything i write because i like it better that way - he can control shadows and light now! what a king! - duke secretly writes poetry and is good at creative writing in general  - this:

- duke is super smart?? he figured out that agent 37 was dick grayson without even trying?? i’m so proud of him - his biological father is this supervillain called gnomon so now duke has got four parents: his mom, his dad, his supervillain dad, and bruce (plus selina if you count her as the batkids’ stepmom, which i do) - jason calls him “narrows” and i love that

- and, lastly, the most important panel in the history of comics:

[loyalshipper]

May I introduce the Tumblr DC community to one of my two favorite Batfam AUs I have created. Bruce Wayne owns a hotel/museum near an ocean cliff and still has a chronic adoption problem but doesn’t fight crime. (If anyone writes this you can make it to where heroes still exist, the Batfam are the inly no capes)

WE still exists but it isn’t run by Bruce it is run by Lucius because back in the 60s Thomas and Martha bought the hotel and wanted that to be their legacy. They still die the same way but Bruce puts all his efforts into running and blossoming the hotel which was his parent’s dream project.

I’ll get back into the hotel in a minute I’m taking about the kids now

Dick is gotten a similar way, he visits the Cape with Haly’s Circus, his parents die because of faulty wiring sold to the circus by Zucco and Dick becomes an orphan. Bruce just so happened to use his one night off in a while to go see the circus. He keeps thinking about Dick and ends up adopting him. He helps Dick and the Circus bring Zucco to justice and sues the hell out of him and shuts down his business. (Adopted at 8))

Jason was found living in one of the shut down rooms of the hotel. Because his dad left and was in prison and his mom od. So Bruce treats him like a wild animal and starts to leave food out on a regular schedule until Jason gets comfortable with him and he adopts Jason. (five years younger than Dick)

Tim was the son of two wealthy archaeologists who were gone 11 out of the 12 months. Bruce met Tim because he liked to come into the museum and take pictures of the museum exhibits and hotel architecture and shoreline which he would develop and give copies to Bruce. So he opens his house to this little boy with a penchant for photography. Until one day Tim’e parents call Tim telling him that they are staying in Egypt permanently because the archeological dig is producing wonderous results and they’ll be hiring him an around the clock sitter. Only for Tim to wait three weeks and no one shows up. They went so far as to fire Ms. Mac but never hired a sitter for their son. So he goes to Bruce in tears and explains everything, because this is it-his parents finally did abandon him, and Bruce sues them for custody of Tim. (Three years younger than Jason, adopted at 7)

Damian was the result of a relationship Bruce had in college while studying hotel management and hospitality. Talia is the daughter of a hotel conglomerate owner who is currently trying to buy Bruce’s hotel so it can be torn down and Ra’s can built a new hyper expensive hotel in its place. Damian was sent to live with Bruce to try and get Bruce to have Damian inherit the hotel so Ra’s can get it and destroy it, but that backfired because instead Damian falls in love with the hotel and his new family (reluctantly) and wants to see the hotel and museum flourish, not tear down this historical piece of architecture to replace it with a soulless hotel only available to the wealthy elite. But something available to everyone that families vacation to because there is so much history and beauty in a thing that has stood for centuries. So Damian turns against Ra’s. Due not that while Damian and Tim do have a sibling rivalry it is not as vicious and cutting as it is in canon. They love each other they just don’t mesh well while in the same room. And yes, Damian still has his variety of pets (7 years younger than Tim)

Cass came to the hotel with her “father,” David Cain, who went to the Cape for business, and just ended up leaving and forgetting Cass at the hotel. He was still abusive and Cass had trouble speaking but he wasn’t “turn Cass into the world’s greatest assassin” abusive. After Bruce finds Cass, he sues Cain for parental custody and then ruins his life unrepentantly. (Couple of months older than Jason)

After Martha and Thomas died, Alfred took over managing the hotel while Bruce was still growing up and while he was getting his degrees, now he is the grandfather to Bruce’s many kids and helps to keep them running and cared for while they run and care for the hotel. He’s also the one that helps the new kids transfer into the life of running a hotel.

Barbara is the daughter of the Police Comissioner still who became friends with Dick and works, first part time at the museum/hotel and then full time. Same with Steph and Tim (1 year older than Dick)

Cullen and Harper work at the museum, Helena works at the hotel. Carrie does both. Duke is the newest acquisition. Only, his parents disappeared and no one has been able to find them yet. So Bruce currently had temporary custody of Duke who lives at the hotel with everyone. (Harper is a year older than Tim, Cullen is a year younger than Tim, Carrie is the same age as Jason, Duke is a few months younger than Tim)

Each person has different jobs. (Dick is concierge/check-in, Jason does guided history tours of the hotel/museum/grounds, Tim works in financials because he deals with the least amount of people, Helena, Carrie and Steph are both maids, Carrie also does janitorial stuff with Cullen, Barbara works hotel check-in with Dick, Barbara and Harper work cashier at the gift shop, Duke doesn’t have a job yet because he is still dealing with the disappearance of his parents, Damian does every job to see where he fits in best.

JARRO IS THE FAMILY PET STARFISH THAT TIM ADOPTED WHEN HE FIRST JOINED THE FAMILY AND RESCUED FROM BEING EATEN OFF THE BEACH

The hotel is still fully staffed with not-batkids, like grounds keepers and other hotel cleaners and janitors.

Location time!

I’m turning Gotham nicer and changing the geography of the city.

The hotel Museum rests about 200 yds from a cliff that overlooks a beach. There is a well maintained stair case put into the cliff for people to walk down, as well as a longer gravel path that follows the cliff edge down to the shoreline. It is frequented by seals, sea lions, and in the distance, dolphins and whales. The hotel it’s self has about 100 or so acres of land and a long drive but it is technically within walking distance to the city. And it’s a normal coastal town with a port and touristic areas. Kinda eerie at night when the fog rolls in but that’s part of the charm of the NorthEast.

Selina is just Bruce’s friend in this. She is Helena’s mother and Bruce was a surrogate for her. She decided she wanted a baby and Bruce offered to be a donor. So Selina had Helena and Bruce is part of her life but not as her dad, which was the agreement. Selina takes care of the stray animals on the grounds and favors the cats.

Clark is a reporter that was tasked to right an article on the hotel and it’s history, became good friends with Bruce and brings his family (Lois, Jon, Bizarro, Kon, Kara, Lena, Chris, Ma, Pa, and Lex) on vacation to it every year. Lex and Clark are divorced husbands that left on good terms and are friendly enough to coparent their son, Connor, who was made the same way as canon but less hush hush and illegally, Kara is Clark’s cousin and Lena is her fiancée, Lois is his wife, Jon and Bizarro are their two biological sons (Bizarro has autism), Chris is their foster son. Bizarro latches onto Jason in a way that he hasn’t before and always loves coming to the hotel, Jon and Chris are best friends with Damian, Connor and Tim are long distance dating.

Collin, Maya, and Maps are Damian’s best friends from school (Damian has a crush on Collin) and he’s trying to convince them to join the hotel staff like his siblings’ friends but they are a) too young and b) not interested.

Roy has all of his problems as in canon and gets help for it, so as a way to try and bring the family closer, Oliver and Dinah arrange a vacation to the hotel for them Roy and Lian. As a stepping stone kind of thing. Get away from daily stress. Roy is resistant at first until he and Jason hit it off and start talking and Jason talks sense into him and they strike up a friendship turned romance.

The Flashfam visit the museum diring a countrywide roadtrip and mad the stop because Bart is a history buff and wouldn’t stop talking about it the entire trip. He becomes fast friends with Tim and is the only person to ever get a Tim Wayne history tour. No matter what Kon tells you he is super salty about it. Wally and Dick were internet friends and used the roadtrip as a way to be able to meet up.

Thad is the obligatory complainer who doesn’t want to stay in a musty old hotel.

Ivy is the main grounds keeper and is in charge of the native wildlife sanctuary most of the land is used for, as well as taking care of the native plantlife and lives in town with her girlfriend, Harley. Harley helps the kids prank Bruce.

Harley is a children’s psychiatrist hired by Bruce to help the kids deal with their various traumas. Her coming to the hotel for sessions is how she and Ivy met.

They started dating between Dick and Jason and Dick talks up each of them to the other, but each individual kid that comes in think they’d be cute together (since they are both professional while working there isn’t immediate proof that they are dating. But they will flirt with each other if they see each other) and it’s basically a right if passage to try and convince their siblings to help them get together and then try and set them up on their own and find out the hard way that they’re already together. They love seeing all the different way the kids try and set them up. They tend to go along with it until either the kids realise or they take pity on them.

Their favorite was Damian’s where he set up an entire romantic dinner at the hotel restaurant and Dick managed to slyly convince him to set it on a certain day that turned out to be Harley and Ivy’s anniversary.

Alfred is the head chef for the hotel, making room service meals and the breakfast buffet line up. Jason will help him out if he isn’t busy with other things.

Victor Fries and his wife hold an ice cream social ever summer at the hotel with all the ice cream flavors they came up with over the last year.

Edward Nygma, famous escape room designer, is hired to make an escape room themed on the hotel and museum that is built on the grounds near the main building.

Another ritual that starts, begins with Tim, where the older siblings convince the newest one that the hotel is haunted and Jason takes them on a “haunted ghost tour” of the abandoned part of the hotel (the part that is too dilapidated and run down to remodel safely) while the others are stationed at different parts of the hotel and grounds to run whatever scenario to scare the new kid. The only one that hasn’t been done to is Cass because even after several years she still jumps a little too hard at loud noises. But one time Jason accident closed a door a little too harshly while Cass and Tim were doing something and it caused her to jump so hard she knocked over Tim and started crying. They were contemplating whether she was strong enough to do it or not and that cemented that she wasn’t.

Tim and Cass are nearly inseparable and are commonly referred to as the Wayne Twins. For Halloween they decided to go as each other.

[nightwingmyboi]

Hey, the other day I saw the meta you did in which you pointed out how dick is constantly treated as the batfam’s punching bag, so to counter that, do you know of any moments where dick was either acknowledged for being a badass or where the other bats actually show they at least appreciate him??

Sure. We all need some positivity in these trying times lol. This is encouragingly long. 

Bruce

Nightwing #15

Robin: Year One #1 and #4 

Gates of Gotham #5

Batman #681

Superman/Batman #56

Batman #615 But I’ve learned that Dick wasn’t like me. He didn’t come from a world of privilege. He was a performer. Gifted in that way. And while, at the time, the transition from Robin to Nightwing was...difficult for us both...it was a day I had long prepared myself for because...Dick was born to be in the center ring...

Tales of the Teen Titans #50 

Robin 80th Anniversary: “A Little Nudge” 

Infinite Crisis #3

Alfred

Nightwing #99

Robin Year One #4

Nightwing #101

Robin Annual #4

Batman #689

Barbara 

Birds of Prey #76

Harley Quinn #11

Kind of doing their relationship dirty not including more panels, but I’m having trouble finding stuff that doesn’t land on the romantic side of things. I mean, that’s a form of appreciation certainly lmao, but not one that I’m wanting to include here. 

Jason

Red Hood and the Outlaws Annual #1

Batman and Robin #25

Tim 

A Lonely Place of Dying

Robin (1993) #10

Robin #32

Red Robin #13

Red Robin #23 Damn...too high up. Too far away. Pursuit would be useless..well...useless for those of us who accept the laws of gravity. He likes to free-fall. To him, this is fun. He handles the pressure--the responsibility--all of it, so...effortlessly. 

Nightwing #8

Cass

Batman Legends of the Dark Knight #184

Nightwing #81

Cass isn’t a big talker and she hasn’t had that many opportunities to hang out with Dick, but I figured actions might speak in the place of words here idk. 

Damian 

Batman (2016) #34

Batman #713

Batman Incorporated #8

Batman and Robin (2009) #10

Nightwing #20

Grayson #12

Teen Titans #92

Sorry Duke and Steph, you’ve barely interacted with Dick in canon lol. And since you wanted people talking about how Dick is badass: 

Tales of the Teen Titans #57

The Brave and the Bold #15

Teen Titans (2003) #23 

Teen Titans v2 #12

Teen Titans #14

New Teen Titans Annual #7

The Return of Donna Troy #3

Teen Titans #15

This holds the record for longest post I’ve ever made lmao. Congrats if you’ve made it to the end. 

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My Top Posts in 2021

#5

the moral of the Bad Art Friend/Kidney Donation story is that if you're going to talk shit about your incredibly obnoxious and narcissistic acquaintance behind her back, you should maybe not steal her recognizable life event for a short story you intend to publish, plagiarize her words, and then gaslight her when she comes around asking for an explanation

Because said obnoxious and narcissistic acquaintance WILL, in fact, recognize that shit and focus all of her time to the point of legitimate obsession making sure you regret that decision

In other news:

2923 notes • Posted 2021-10-06 01:04:43 GMT

#4

STUPENDOUS NEWS EVERYONE

TRUMP’S TWITTER ACCOUNT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY SUSPENDED

WE ARE FINALLY FREE

3289 notes • Posted 2021-01-08 23:38:13 GMT

#3

SCREAMING CRYING SOBBING ON THE FLOOR AT THIS PHOTO

4835 notes • Posted 2021-10-16 19:55:00 GMT

#2

I really want to emphasize the slightly ridiculous timeline of Bruce taking in children and how funny this has the potential to be re:Dick being the eldest, because I think it's really important that people understand that Bruce basically only has Dick around for like...11-12 years. Dick formally moves out when he's around 19 or 20, and roughly six months to a year later, Bruce picks Jason up. Dick and Jason never live in the same house at the same time, and three years later, Jason dies. So he gets 2 kids over a 15 (ish) year period, which doesn't sound too ridiculous, right?

Except then his adoption tendencies accelerate, because he picks up Tim and Cass within 2 years of each other (and Steph came as a package deal with both of them) and then finds out about Damian 2-3 years after that. Then we've got Duke, who (when you vaguely fit together timelines) enters stage left about 2-3 years after Damian.

So after a 15-year period with two kids, Bruce manages to pick up 4 1/2 others (counting Steph) within the 7-8 years afterwards. The sheer missed comedic potential of Dick being a grown-ass adult and then his dad decides to adopt a pack of kids within 5 years of him moving out is incredible. Dick went from being essentially an only child for his entire life to being eldest of 6, only one of which he's ever actually lived in the same house with, all because Bruce got Empty Nest Syndrome and went "well I raised one child to adulthood successfully. What's another 5 or 6 at the same time?"

7751 notes • Posted 2021-07-18 20:24:32 GMT

#1

In the past 7 days alone: 

Trump election fraud tape where he tries to convince the Georgia Secretary of State to “find him 11,000 more votes” comes out

Warnock & Ossoff win their Senate run off races in Georgia, making the US Senate a 50-50 tie between Democrats and Republicans and giving the Democrats an effective government trifecta

an armed mob incited by multiple GOP officials (including Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley) storms the Capitol building, resulting in at least 4 deaths, thousands of dollars of property damage, and the first time the Capitol building has been breached since the War of 1812

2nd impeachment proceedings against Trump are announced while multiple high-ranking government officials publicly urge Pence and the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment

Elaine Chao & Betsy DeVos resign from Trump’s Cabinet

Daily coronavirus deaths in the United States top 4,000 for the first time

Trump gets permabanned from Twitter & tries to use the official POTUS account as a burner, gets immediately locked out, & runs through multiple other apparent burner accounts (which all get suspended). Meanwhile, multiple other social media sites preemptively issue statements that any account he tries to open on their platforms will be instantly suspended

Steve Bannon’s Youtube channel gets taken down

Parler gets taken down from the Google Play Store and Apple gives it 24 hours to enforce content moderation or face removal from the App Store

Rush Limbaugh deactivates his Twitter account

SNL's going to have an absolute field day tomorrow night

30318 notes • Posted 2021-01-09 02:26:14 GMT

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Batfamily Event Timeline

A version of events and ages pertaining to the Batfamily and associated. Includes all the favorites, and all the forgottens. The only official ships here are BatCat and Dickkory, and can easily be ignored if wanted.

Reblogs appreciated- I spent a lot of time on this! <3

Events: Bruce Wayne is born. Julia Pennyworth was born around this time as well.

Ages: Bruce is 0-1; Thomas and Martha are ~30; Alfred is 25. Julia is 1.

Events: Kate Kane, Beth Kane, and David Zavimbe are born. Thomas and Martha Wayne are killed.

Ages: Bruce is 8; Alfred is 33. Julia is 8; Kate and Beth are 6; David is 2. (8 years)

Events: Jean-Paul Valley (Azrael) is genetically altered and born. Barbara Gordon, Lance Bruner, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Cassandra Cain are born. Kate’s twin sister and mother are killed when she’s 12. David and his brother Isaac become child soldiers under Ayo Keita. Bruce becomes Batman at age 20.

Ages: Bruce is 20; Alfred is 45. Julia is 20; Kate is 18; David is 14; Azrael is 11; Dick is 7; Lance is 9; Babs is 9; Jason is 2; Cass is 2. (12 years)

Events: Tam Fox, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Bette Kane are born. Dick’s parents die and Bruce takes him in as his ward. Dick will eventually become Robin.

Ages: Bruce is 22; Alfred is 47; Dick is 9. Julia is 22; Kate is 20; David is 16; Azrael is 13; Lance is 11; Babs is 11; Jason is 4; Cass is 4; Tam is 2; Tim is 1; Steph is 2; Bette is 2. (2 years)

Events: Luke Fox, Harper Row, Charlie Gage-Radcliffe, Henry Clover Jr., Duke Thomas, Claire Clover, Sasha, and Carrie Kelley are born. Bruce creates the Justice League. Barbara becomes Batgirl at age 12. Dick creates the Teen Titans. Lance Bruner is adopted by Bruce per agreement between their (dead) fathers. Jason’s father is killed by Two-Face. Bruce makes David Batwing. At age 8, Cass kills a man, realizes what she’s done, and flees from her father.

Ages: Bruce is 28; Alfred is 53; Dick is 15; Babs is 17; Lance is 17; David is 22. Julia is 28; Kate is 26; Azrael is 19; Jason is 10; Cass is 10; Tam is 8; Tim is 7; Steph is 8; Bette is 8; Luke is 6; Harper is 5; Charlie is 4; Henry is 3; Duke is 2; Claire is 1; Sasha is 0-1; Carrie is 0-1. (6 years)

Events: Cullen Row, Damian Wayne, Athanasia al Ghul, Mara al Ghul, and Tiffany Fox are born. Lance is killed. Jason’s mother dies of an overdose at age 11, leading him to live on the streets. Harper and Cullen’s mom dies. Dick becomes Nightwing at age 17. Jason is caught stealing the Batmobile’s tires, and Bruce puts him in the orphanage, only for it to be revealed as a trafficking ring, which Jason helps him defeat. Jason is adopted by Bruce at age 13, and later becomes Robin.

Ages: Bruce is 31; Alfred is 56; Dick is 18; Babs is 20; David is 25; Jason is 13. Julia is 31; Kate is 29; Azrael is 22; Cass is 13; Tam is 11; Tim is 10; Steph is 11; Bette is 11; Luke is 9; Harper is 8; Charlie is 7; Henry is 6; Duke is 5; Claire is 4; Sasha is 3; Carrie is 3; Cullen is 2; Damian and Atha are 2; Mara is 2; Tiff is 0-1. (3 years)

Events: Alina Shelley, Nell Little, and Timothy Fox are born. Jason is killed by the Joker, age 16. Babs becomes paraplegic due to the Joker shooting her, and becomes Oracle. She creates the Birds of Prey. Tim’s mother is poisoned and dies. Tim convinces Bruce to make him Robin, and also creates a Young Justice team. Steph becomes Spoiler. Cass saves Commissioner Gordon’s life and becomes the next Batgirl. Azrael becomes Batman after Bruce is paralyzed by Bane, before killing Abbaittor and a victim and nearly killing Nightwing, and Bruce returns to being Batman. Charlie’s mother dies in a house fire, and she becomes orphaned and homeless, age 11. Kate becomes Batwoman. Stephanie gets pregnant and puts the baby up for adoption after it’s birth.

Ages: Bruce is 35; Alfred is 60; Dick is 22; Babs is 24; David is 29; Jason is 17 (’dead’); Tim is 14; Steph is 15; Cass is 17; Kate is 33. Julia is 35; Azrael is 26; Bette is 15; Tam is 15; Luke is 13; Harper is 12; Charlie is 11; Henry is 10; Duke is 9; Claire is 8; Sasha is 7; Carrie is 7; Cullen is 6; Damian and Atha are 6; Mara is 6; Tiff is 4; Alina is 1; Nell is 1; Timothy is 0-1. (4 years)

Events: Julia begins helping the Batfamily after a run-in with Batman, meeting her father, and discovering the Batcave. Tim’s father forces Tim to stop being Robin, and Steph becomes Robin. Batman saves the Clover family from being mugged, inspiring Henry and Claire. Jason is resurrected by the Lazarus Pit***. Jason trains with the League, and becomes Red Hood. Steph gets fired from being Robin, and nearly dies. Batwoman discovers her twin, Beth, is not dead but rather a villain named Alice, the High Madame of the Religion of Crime. Charlie has a run in with the Birds of Prey, claiming to be the new Batgirl. Babs convinces her to stop being Batgirl, and Charlie instead becomes Misfit, under the care of the Birds of Prey. Steph becomes the new Batgirl while Cass becomes Black Bat, and Tim returns to being Robin after his father’s death. Selina Kyle, Catwoman, gives birth to a baby named Helena Kyle, whose father was Sam Bradley Jr. After a villain kidnapped Helena, Selina faked Helena’s death and put her up for adoption with the help of Batman. Batman saves Cullen from being beaten up, inspiring Harper. A clone of Damian begins creation. Sasha and her father move to Gotham to start a new life with her Uncle Lev, a criminal working for Mister Toad and Professor Pyg.

Ages: Bruce is 37; Alfred is 62; Dick is 24; Babs is 26; David is 31; Jason is 19; Tim is 16; Steph is 17; Cass is 19; Kate is 35; Julia is 37; Azrael is 28; Charlie is 13. ‘Alice’ is 35; Bette is 17; Tam is 17; Luke is 15; Harper is 14; Henry is 12; Duke is 11; Claire is 10; Sasha is 9; Carrie is 9; Cullen is 8; Damian and Atha are 8; Mara is 8; Tiff is 6; Alina is 3; Nell is 3; Timothy is 2. (2 years)

Events: Steph returns to being Spoiler, and Bette becomes Batgirl, briefly, before becoming Flamebird and trying to be Nightwing’s partner. She joins the Titans West. Steph jumps between being Batgirl and Spoiler. Jason creates the Outlaws. Azrael is shot and killed by LeHah. Damian is given to his father at age 10. Alice reforms and begins helping her sister fight crime under the name Red Alice, and she also stays under the care of Julia. Bruce ‘dies’, but really gets lost in time after being shot by Darkseid. Dick takes up the mantle of Batman, making Damian his Robin. Tim becomes Red Robin and leaves to search for Bruce, believing he is not dead. Azrael is resurrected during the Blackest Night as a Black Lantern. David retires from being Batwing. Damian’s clone is completed, Heretic, aged up. Another one begins creation. Sasha, after being abused and traumatized by Professor Pyg and then saved by Red Hood, becomes Jason’s sidekick, Scarlet.

Ages: Bruce is 39 (‘dead’); Alfred is 64; Dick is 26; Babs is 28; Jason is 21; Tim is 18; Steph is 19; Cass is 21; Kate is 37; Julia is 39; Charlie is 15; Bette is 19; Damian is 10; Sasha is 11. ‘Alice’ is 37; David is 33; Tam is 19; Luke is 17; Harper is 16; Henry is 14; Duke is 13; Claire is 12; Carrie is 11; Cullen is 10; Atha is 10; Mara is 10; Tiff is 8; Alina is 5; Nell is 5; Timothy is 4; Heretic is 1 (looks ~20). (2 years)

Events: Bruce returns, and becomes Batman again. Mar’i Grayson is born. Kate proposes to her current girlfriend, Maggie Sawyer, who accepts. Luke Fox becomes the new Batwing. Damian is killed by the Heretic. The Heretic is killed by Talia. Damian’s other clone, Tallant, finishes creation, not aged up. Damian is resurrected by Bruce with an Omega Sanction and Chaos Crystal shard at age 11. Bette becomes Hawkfire, sidekick to Batwoman. Harper begins fighting crime as Bluebird, assisting both Batman and Red Robin. The Heretic is resurrected by the Lazarus Pit at some point. Jason becomes legally undead to adopt Sasha. Henry and Claire strike a deal with someone unknown to give them powers that, when used, drain their lifeforce the longer and stronger they are. Duke’s family gets caught up in one of Joker’s schemes, resulting in Duke’s parents getting joker gassed. Batman rescues Duke, and eventually Duke gets placed in the foster system. Duke and Carrie join the We Are Robin movement.

Ages: Bruce is 41; Alfred is 66; Dick is 28; Babs is 30; Jason is 23; Tim is 20; Steph is 21; Cass is 23; Kate is 39; Julia is 41; Charlie is 17; Bette is 21; Damian is 12; Sasha is 13; Harper is 18; Cullen is 12; Luke is 19. ‘Alice’ is 39; David is 35; Tam is 21; Henry is 16; Duke is 15; Claire is 14; Carrie is 13; Atha is 12; Mara is 12; Tiff is 10; Alina is 7; Nell is 7; Timothy is 6; Heretic is 3 (~20); Tallant is 2; Mar’i is 2. (2 years)

Events: Duke, age 15-16, is taken in as Bruce’s ward, and starts training under him, becoming the Signal. Henry and Claire become Gotham Guy and Gotham Girl, and fight alongside Batman. Their parents are killed, and Henry, age 17, dies after using his powers at max. Damian, age 13, partners with Jon Kent to become the Super Sons, and also joins the Teen Titans. Mara, cousin of Damian, leads the Demon’s Fist to kill him, but he fends them off. Helena Wayne, age 20, from Earth-Two gets transported to this universe, and ends up trapped, unable to return home. Kate marries Maggie. Dick marries Koriand’r. Carrie, age 15, becomes Robin to help Batman against the Mutants when Damian is unavailable. After that, she becomes Catgirl when leading the ‘reformed’ Mutants, then takes up the mantle of Batgirl. Alina’s mother tells Bruce that Alina is his, and then she gets put in a severe coma after Joker hits her with his car. Alina is kidnapped by the Joker, but Batman gets her back, and Bruce adopts her at age 9.

Ages: Bruce is 44; Alfred is 69; Dick is 31; Babs is 33; Jason is 26; Tim is 23; Steph is 24; Cass is 26; Kate is 42; Julia is 44; Charlie is 20; Bette is 24; Damian is 15; Sasha is 16; Harper is 21; Cullen is 15; Luke is 22; Duke is 18; Claire is 17; Helena is 22; Carrie is 16; Alina is 10. ‘Alice’ is 42; David is 38; Tam is 24; Atha is 15; Mara is 15; Tiff is 13; Nell is 10; Timothy is 9; Heretic is 6 (~20); Tallant is 5; Mar’i is 5. (3 years)

Events: Jake Grayson is born. Bruce marries Selina. Barbara begins training Tiffany and Nell alongside Carrie to be the next Batgirls. Talia and Athanasia save Damian at one point, revealing Athanasia is his twin sister kept secret. The fact that Heretic, also known as Harry, was revived and Tallant’s existence still remains secret from the Batfamily. Talia is currently head of the League of Assassins, as Ra’s is dead (time, age and reason for death unspecified).

Ages: Bruce is 46; Alfred is 71; Dick is 33; Babs is 35; Jason is 28; Tim is 25; Steph is 26; Cass is 28; Kate is 44; Julia is 46; Charlie is 22; Bette is 26; Damian is 17; Sasha is 18; Harper is 23; Cullen is 17; Luke is 24; Duke is 20; Claire is 19; Helena is 24; Carrie is 18; Alina is 12; Tiff is 15; Nell is 12. ‘Alice’ is 44;  David is 40; Tam is 26; Atha is 17; Mara is 15; Timothy is 11; Heretic is 8 (~20); Tallant is 7; Mar’i is 7; Jake is 2. (2 years)

*Events: Minor time skip. The White Ghost attacks Damian, revealing Ra’s had transferred consciousness to a new, destabilizing host, and planned to use Damian as his new host. The Batfamily protects Damian, and the White Ghost, actually Dusan al Ghul, offers his body as Ra’s al Ghul’s new host. Ra’s succeeds, but a part of Dusan’s consciousness stays with him. The Batgirls finish training when they are respectively 19, 17, and 15, being known as “Neon Batgirl (Carrie)”, “Pink Batgirl (Tiffany)” and “Little Batgirl (Nell)”. Nell works mostly as Steph’s sidekick. At some point, Damian becomes Flamebird, both solo hero and partner to Nightwing (who can either be Dick or Steph at this point). Mar’i eventually becomes a superhero named Nightstar. Timothy joins a gang and takes on the alias Vulture. Jake starts training to become a Robin.

Ages: Bruce is 53; Alfred is 78; Dick is 40; Babs is 42; Jason is 35; Tim is 32; Steph is 33; Cass is 35; Kate is 51; Julia is 53; Charlie is 29; Bette is 33; Damian is 24; Sasha is 25; Harper is 30; Cullen is 24; Luke is 31; Duke is 27; Claire is 26; Helena is 31; Carrie is 25; Alina is 19; Tiff is 22, Nell is 19; Mar’i is 14. ‘Alice’ is 51; David is 37; Tam is 33; Atha is 24; Mara is 24; Timothy is 18; Heretic is 15 (~20); Tallant is 14; Jake is 9. (7 years)

Events: Ra’s takes over the League from Talia. He takes over Gotham with an army of Batmen, wanting to police the citizens. Talia has Heretic and Tallant go undercover as Batmen, with Athanasia and Mara’s support as well. They overthrow and permanently kill Ra’s for good. Talia, Heretic, Tallant, Athanasia and Mara lead the League of Assassins, becoming more allies to the Batfamily, but still a group of deadly, death cult-ish assassins, although now they function on more neutrality than evil. Bruce passes down the mantle of Batman to Damian, who makes Jake his Robin at age 13. Kate passes on the mantle of Batwoman to Carrie. Terry McGinnis is born.

Ages: Bruce is 57; Alfred is 82; Dick is 44; Babs is 46; Jason is 39; Tim is 36; Steph is 37; Cass is 39; Kate is 55; Julia is 57; Charlie is 33; Bette is 37; Damian is 28; Sasha is 29; Harper is 34; Cullen is 28; Luke is 35; Duke is 31; Claire is 30; Helena is 35; Carrie is 29; Alina is 23; Tiff is 26; Nell is 23; Mar’i is 18; Jake is 13. ‘Alice’ is 55; David is 51; Tam is 37; Atha is 28; Mara is 28; Timothy is 22; Heretic is 19 (~20); Tallant is 18; Terry is 1. (4 years)

Events: Alfred passes peacefully in his sleep. Many slow years pass, many tragedies, with many good days and bad days. Other deaths, retirings and births may have occurred that are not listed. Jake resigns being Robin at age 19, preferring to start a more ‘normal’ life. Damian eventually gives up being Batman at age 34, feeling as though what he always wanted when he was younger was no longer wanted, no longer needed. Bruce picks up the mantle again, although he is not out frequently as Batman due to old age. The need for Batman seems to pass, although Jokerz gangs are beginning to rise after the Joker’s apparent death a while back.

Ages: Bruce is 63; Dick is 50; Babs is 52; Jason is 45; Tim is 42; Steph is 43; Cass is 45; Kate is 61; Julia is 63; Charlie is 39; Bette is 43; Damian is 34; Sasha is 35; Harper is 40; Cullen is 34; Luke is 41; Duke is 37; Claire is 36; Helena is 41; Carrie is 35; Alina is 29; Tiff is 32; Nell is 29; Mar’i is 24; Jake is 19. ‘Alice’ is 61; David is 57; Tam is 43; Atha is 34; Mara is 34; Timothy is 28; Heretic is 25 (~20); Tallant is 24; Terry is 6. (6 years)

**Events: Matt McGinnis is born. Bruce officially retires as Batman at age 68. Terry’s father is killed when he is 18 and when Bruce is 75. This leads Terry to become Batman. Batman Beyond events occur, which may lead to the death/retirement/birth of some characters listed or not listed.

Ages: Bruce is 76; Dick is 63; Babs is 65; Jason is 58; Tim is 55; Steph is 56; Cass is 58; Kate is 74; Julia is 76; Charlie is 52; Bette is 56; Damian is 47; Sasha is 48; Harper is 53; Cullen is 47; Luke is 54; Duke is 50; Claire is 49; Helena is 54; Carrie is 48; Alina is 42; Tiff is 45; Nell is 42; Mar’i is 37; Jake is 32; Terry is 19. ‘Alice’ is 74; David is 70; Tam is 56; Atha is 47; Mara is 47; Timothy is 41; Heretic is 38 (~20); Tallant is 37; Matt is 11. (13 years)

Events: Matt becomes Robin when he is 15. Comic book Batman Beyond events occur, which may lead to the death/retirement/birth of some characters listed or not listed.

Ages: Bruce is 81; Dick is 68; Babs is 70; Jason is 63; Tim is 60; Steph is 61; Cass is 63; Kate is 79; Julia is 81; Charlie is 57; Bette is 61; Damian is 52; Sasha is 53; Harper is 58; Cullen is 52; Luke is 59; Duke is 55; Claire is 54; Helena is 59; Carrie is 53; Alina is 47; Tiff is 50; Nell is 47; Mar’i is 42; Jake is 37; Terry is 24; Matt is 16. ‘Alice’ is 79; David is 75; Tam is 61; Atha is 52; Mara is 52; Timothy is 46; Heretic is 43 (~20); Tallant is 42. (5 years)

*NOTE – Past this mark, some characters may have children not listed, may die but still be listed, retired but still listed, changed names (real, superhero, or code) but the name change isn’t stated, or new characters may have joined the Batfamily but aren’t listed. Events and ages past this mark are rough and general. This becomes more fanon-ized than previous events and ages, taking events from Elseworlds timeline.

**NOTE – The events of Batman Beyond might happen minorly or majorly altered in this fanon universe of events from the actual animated and comic series of Batman Beyond. This is both due to the timeline of event changes, and because I, personally, like to imagine Terry and Matt are able to go back to the past, or at least, this universe’s past, slightly different from their own, where people like Tallant and Carrie and Alina and Mar’i that don’t seem to exist in their own universe’s future exist here. Why do I do this? Because I like to imagine what it’d be like for Terry and Matt to exist at their ages, with their backstories intact, at the same time as when Alfred is alive, and Dick is like 20-30, and Damian is 10-17, because it’s fun. That’s why.

***NOTE – Jason’s resurrection can go one of two ways. 1) He crawls out of his grave and is catatonic for two years due to that timeline alteration stuff, taken in by the League of Assassins during that, and then Talia fully resurrects him via the Lazarus Pit at age 18. OR. 2) Ra’s and Talia take him out of his grave and put him in the Lazarus Pit shortly after his death, therefore he is resurrected at age 16. He trains with the League until he is 18-19.

Apologies for any screw-ups! This takes events and ages from the main continuity of canon, Injustice, The Dark Knight Returns continuity, Dark Prince continuity, Elseworlds, DCAMU, Batman Beyond, Teen Titans, Young Justice, etc., and general fanon!

Again, likes, notes, comments, reblogs- appreciated!

[our-happygirl500-fan]

You know something? I absolutely hate comic ages and timelines because they keep on switching round and changing and some characters are allowed to age and some characters aren’t so when I try to figure out the age difference between characters I’m just like does this work? Does this work? 

For example Dick’s been allowed to grow into adulthood yet Bruce isn’t allowed to be a day past 45 at most unless we’re looking at a future timeline like the Dark Knight Returns or Batman Beyond.

Damian became 13 with DC Rebirth so he could have his own Teen Titans team yet Tim, Steph and Cass have somehow aged backwards. Like Cass is supposed to be the same age as Jason (a few months older than him in fact), Steph was in college before the reboot and Tim was nearly 18 yet Tim, Steph and Cass have all been aged down to be 16 or the same age as Duke which is confusing (like there is not a three year age difference between Damian and Tim, Tim would have died in their first meeting if that was the case)

Dick’s age when his parents died has been switched around to be somewhere between 8-12, the later making more sense considering that Tim was supposed to be 3 when he met Dick at the circus and if he had met Dick when Dick was 8-9 there would have been a 5-6 year age difference which wouldn’t work since Jason met Bruce when he was 12 and Dick had just gone off to college making the age difference between Jason and Dick 5-6 years.

So to make sense of the ages let’s say that Dick became Robin at 12 Bruce in his early to mid 20′s when he takes Dick in, Dick is Robin for six years goes off to college, becomes Nightwing, drops out, moves in with Titans ect, Bruce is in his late 20′s or early 30′s at this point he meets Jason at 12-13 Jason is Robin for around three years and dies and Bruce is in his early to mid 30′s at this point.

Makes sense so far right? Right? Wrong!

Because we’re bringing Carrie Kelly into this!

A popular thing to do in fanfiction is have Carrie Kelly be the baby that Steph gave up for adoption as it’s a cool thing to do to tie Carrie into the Batfamily and also saves the trouble of making an OC yet it’s not actually possible to have Carrie be Steph’s daughter as the Dark Knight Returns is supposed to take place ten years after Jason’s death and Jason is two years older than Steph and Steph had her baby when she was 15 (got pregnant at 14) meaning that there’s about a 17 year age gap between Jason and Steph’s baby and Steph’s baby would have been around 8 at the time of the Dark Knight Returns and both Carrie and Bruce’s ages are clearly listed as 13 and 55 respectively which means that there’s a 12 year difference between Carrie and Jason.

That makes sense but Bruce being 55 during the Dark Knight Returns means that Bruce was supposed to be 45 when Jason died! Which means he was like what pushing 50 by the time Damian showed up? Which alright that I can give my parents were turning 50 when I was like 11 it happens but still wow, Bruce needs to retire and let Cass be Batman.

But anyway adding Carrie into the mix as well as the age differences we already know and taking into account that Steph is supposed to be nearly a year older than Tim and Cass is two years older than Steph as well as the fact that Cass is a few months older than Jason as she was already 18 when Bruce took her to Jason’s grave on Jason’s 18th Birthday and Jason and Steph’s Birthday’s are really close and Steph ‘dies’ a little later at 16. Also Damian is said repeatedly to be 10 during Steph’s Batgirl run “you’re a ten year old boy who doesn’t know how to have fun” and Steph is 18 in her first year of college and Tim is said to be 17 repeatedly in his Red Robin run which is furthur evidence that there’s around a one year age gap between Steph and Tim meaning there’s a 7 year age gap between Tim and Damian and an 8 year age gap between Steph and Damian. Damian is supposed to be 12 during Robin War and Duke is listed as 16 in the We Are Robin kid’s bios and we don’t really know if he’s turned 17 yet but let’s assume that there’s a 3-4 year age gap between Duke and Damian.

Barbara’s age is tricky because when she was first introduced she was already a grown up, as she was a librarian and already graduated college while Dick was still Bruce’s ward in fact Dick’s crush of Bab’s was originally supposed to be a sort of boy hood crush thing in her early appearances similar to Damian’s own crush on Steph but later on comics decided to make Barbara and Dick closer in age so they could set up a romance between the two and usually make Barbara around two years older than Dick since she went off to college before him. But then again Barbara’s age is funny especially since the reboot where it looks like DC wants to keep her young and they’ve always avoided saying her exact age unlike other characters but for the sake of simplicity let’s just say the age difference between her and Dick is two years. 

So if Bruce is 55 in the Dark Knight Returns then the ages in the Dark Knight Returns that means the ages of the Batfamily in the Dark Knight Returns is:

Bruce: 55

Barbara: 33

Dick: 31

Cass: 25

Jason: 25

Steph: 23

Tim: 22

Duke: 19

Damian: 15

Carrie Kelly: 13

Okay clear concise ages and age differences so going by these ages the ages of the Batfamily during every big event would be:

Day at the circus:

Bruce: 36

Barbara: 14

Dick: 12

Cass: 6

Jason: 6

Steph: 4

Tim: 3

Duke: 0

Damian: -4

Carrie Kelly: -6

Jason Dies:

Bruce: 45

Barbara: 23

Dick: 21

Cass: 15

Jason: 15

Steph: 13

Tim: 12

Duke: 9

Damian: 5

Carrie Kelly: 3

Tim becomes Robin at 13 and meets Steph less than a year later while Steph’s 14, Steph get’s pregnant and the quake happens she has the baby at 15 and Cass becomes Batgirl at 17. Steph ‘dies’ at 16 and spends 1-2 years in Africa while Tim and Cass move to Bludhaven, Jason comes back, Bludhaven blows up, Bruce Dick and Tim travel for a year while Cass gets brainwashed by Slade and then rescued by Tim and Cass gets officially adopted. Damian shows up and then Steph comes back to Gotham then Bruce ‘dies’ and Batman Reborn happens.

Batman Reborn:

Bruce: 50

Barbara: 28

Dick: 26

Cass: 20

Jason: 20

Steph: 18

Tim: 17

Duke: 14

Damian: 10

Carrie Kelly: 8

Dick is Batman for a bit, Damian becomes Robin, Steph becomes Batgirl, Tim becomes Red Robin, Cass becomes Black Bat. After a few months Bruce comes back and starts setting but Batman incorporated, Steph goes to English boarding school for a bit Dick goes back to being Nightwing when Damian is 11 and Damian starts working with Bruce and the Leviathan stuff with Talia happens.Damian is 12 and goes off with Goliath trying to atone from the year of blood and We Are Robin happens, Bruce looses his memories gets them back, Damian is 13 forms his own Titans and Duke joins the Batfamily. 

So currently what everyones ages SHOULD be in comics:

Bruce: 53

Barbara: 31

Dick: 29

Cass: 23

Jason: 23

Steph: 21

Tim: 20

Duke: 17

Damian: 13

Carrie Kelly: 11

Oh and before anyone says that Carrie appeared as a college student in the New 52 the New 52 continuity is a mess. Like Cassie, Connor and Bart all appeared in 2011 Teen Titans but then Bart and Connor disappeared and all three of them were reintroduced in Young Justice 2019. Raven’s age is a mess as well because she’s supposed to be Dick’s age but she kissed Wallace who’s only two years older than Damian and just you know it’s a mess I’m sticking to these ages this is like the third time I’ve tried to calculate this. I don’t even know where Terry or Helena’s even supposed to go.

But any way in conclusion Bruce is old and should retire and give Cass Batman

[puppetmaster13u]

Meat Marionette 7?? 8????

Thinkin of the lil robins and other kids and just, them trying to build Jarro a meat body maybe. Idk, still rotating Jarro and if he'd have one seeing as they had to build his human form via some different body parts and such...

Anyway did some sleep deprived sketches of each- though I just realized I didn't label Cullen, oh well lol. I like to think the first couple robins are all more flesh and exposed muscle looking as the Tunnels adjust to building bodies that can still, well, grow and develop. They've only just succeeded in building a body that can move and semi function with Bruce after all, and even then it takes a couple years for that body to shift into something more alive with like, a stomach and such that needs more than time in the Hive and some Lazarus water for food and hydration. And even then it's another year or so of the bodies needing to be fed via IV before everything actually becomes semi functional as well, a body.

But anyway, his eleven children!

Dick's body starts out the most simple, but is also the first that they discover that the meat marionettes can in fact evolve seeing as he starts to grow electricity-producing organs almost akin to something like an eel. Which is probably very distressing to Bruce because like, this is his baby?? Who can suddenly tase people which is fine, but what if it gets stronger?

Jason's robin body doesn't get a lot of evolution before the Joker Incident, and then it formed a cocoon to become the next form over a year or so. I do feel like his wings were fluffier and had some down still, not enough to prevent flight, but enough to slow down say, take offs.

By the time Tim & Steph comes around, their bodies have started to develop more armor similar to Bruce's. Like the bodies are slowly developing even when the Hive first creates them from the flesh walls as the Tunnels get better at building living moving bodies. Like it's still are mostly soft larva-esque chitin still, but It's still visibly learning.

And then with Cass her body is far darker, more similar to one of the Bats than the rest of the babies. There's still bits of color- bright yellows to warn for venom and poison- but it's such a sudden left turn that they're concerned about what the Tunnels might do next.

It's a relief when it goes back to more colorful designs with the next ones, even if Duke probably has ended up the most armored straight out of the flesh.

Honestly in general I feel like they're actually very soft if someone gets close enough to touch them. Like they look terrifying, especially in night when it's dark out, but compared to their parent & aunt they're like fluffy baby birds. Something the kids in Gotham are probably familiar with, because the birds will help comfort scared people and victims while Bruce takes care of whatever caused their distress. Sometimes just crouches down and pulls out a small puzzle or something from one of his bags while waiting for the police to arrive while distracting the kids, his own and not.

Jarro if he does have a body like theirs, meat marionette or made by them, I feel like it looks more like some sort of hybrid of whatever the batclan are and some sort of aquatic creature. Like an aquatic (swimming?) xenomorph compared to a runner or a drone. Visibly the same species, but looks almost like a similar caste or subspecies if that makes sense? But honestly if yall have any ideas I am open to them. ______________________________________________________________

Reminder that this Au is a combo of both mine and @phoenixcatch7 so check out their Possessed Doll au, and actually go check them out in general, they have a lot of fun ideas and drabbles <3

[heroicadventurists]

Tom King-Detective Comics 1000

Tom King offered a fun insight into the Batfamily. This actually gives me hope that he will reconcile the family by the end of his Batman run. Here are my top 10 takeaways

#10-Ace has a mask to hide his identity but Cass and Alfred don't

Come on Cass and Alfred, you both know better. At least Ace knows the importance of maintaining secrecy. In the words of Madeye Moody "constant vigilance".

#9-This story takes place after Red Hood # 25

Jason worries about being kicked out of the family after what he did. One can assume he is talking about shooting the Penguin (although with Jason it could be anything). Costume aside, it's good to see him interacting with the entire family after that fiasco. Him and Duke have good comedic chemistry and seemed to be paired together a lot in this issue.

# 8-Tim and Steph are going strong

I love Stephanie's flirtiness while Tim is trying to be serious. Maybe Time likes it too 😉She's a firecracker and is great for Tim ❤

# 7-The only way out of the Batfamily is death

Family is family and the only way out of this family is death. Another takeaway from this panel is that Dick also makes jokes about his death. It's dark and twisted but at least it's not a Jason Todd exclusive.

Be careful Duke

# 6-Dick is the 12th Greatest Detective in the Batfamily

I'm sure this was a grossly, over exaggerated comment from Damian; but entertaining none the less. Even Ace is a better detective than Dick.

#5-Jason doesn't want to be kicked out of the family

As tough as Jason tries to be, belonging to the batfamily is important to him.

#4-Dick is proud of his time as Batman

Even if Dick didn't initially want the responsibility (and burden) of being Batman, he is proud of his time as the Caped Crusader and is a great replacement when Bruce is unable to wear the cowl. @bat-lings said something I really liked: "Dick knows not to get caught up in the ideal & takes on the cowl while being wary of the darkness." I couldn't agree more.

#3-Babs has an issue with Kate being Batwoman while she's Batgirl

I was actually very happy this was addressed in a comic book. I like Kate as a character but I believe that the Batwoman mantle should have went to Barbara because of her extensive history in the batfamily. Barbara has been in the comics for 52 years and has proven to be one of the most loyal and capable members of the batfamily. She is easily on the same level of importance as Dick. Even though she can't be Batwoman, a new code name would be very welcome. And to answer Kate's question, yes Barbara has been to war. Barbara fights a war on crime every night in Gotham, risking her life and the lives of her loved ones.

# 2-Dick and Damian bonding

It was so nice to see them finally reconnecting on page. It's a shame DC neglects this relationship.

# 1-The Batfamily is Bruce's saving grace

Bruce may have lost his first family in the most tragic and devastating way possible, but he has built a new family who would follow him to hell and back (literally). Bruce has never been alone, even when he felt alone. His family has saved him from himself and that is the most beautiful takeaway from the Tom King story.

[foxxywolf]

Just imagine Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne are best friends from childhood and they tell each other everything. So Tony knows about batman. Now just imagine every year they have a family dinner and every other year Bruce just appears with children.

Child 1:

Tony: So this is Robin? Nice to meet you little man, what's your name?

Dick: My name is Richard Grayson but please call me, Dick.

Tony: pffffffffffffft..... *Ahem* .... Nice to meet you Dick.

Child 2:

Tony: Batgirl, I'm guessing?

Barbara: You guessed right, Mr Stark.

Tony: Call me Tony, I feel old when people call me "Mr stark". Why don't you and Dicky go watch some TV while the old bat and I chat.

...

Bruce: What did you want to talk about?

Tony: Is she also adopted?

Bruce: No, actually, she's a friends grand daughter. He's working so I'm taking care of her.

Tony: Good because if you knocked up some chick, I want a divorce.

Bruce: we aren't even married.

Tony: ............remember when we got wasted in LA last week.....

Bruce: Oh God no....

Tony: Hey! I'd make a great Husband.

Bruce: ......right.

Child 3:

Tony: You're the new Robin, right? Dick not being too hard on you?

Dick: why am I the one being too hard on him.

Barbara: Because...

Jason: Anyway, I'm Jason Todd.

Tony: is it true you stole the wheels of the batmobile?

Jason: Sure did!

Tony: Awesome!

Bruce: Don't encourage him!

Child 4:

Tim: Hi Mr Stark! Is it true you made the very first iron man suit in a cave? Does the reactor hurt? What is your latest stark product? Are you making a new iron man suit?

Tony: Kid are you on crack?

Tim: Nope! I drink a hell of a lot of coffee to help me stay up so the nightmares won't keep me up and add to my already depressed mind.

Tony: Hehe... Same.

Bruce: Should I worry for both of you?

Tony: Nah. You should worry when I just drown myself in alcohol. With him... You should worry when he locks himself in his room and disappear for most of the day.

Dick: I'll keep that in mind.

Tony: How you guys holding up?

Bruce: it hurts but death comes to everyone eventually. Shouldn't have come so fucking early but still.

Child 5:

Jason: Hey Mr Stark.

Tony: *manly screech*

Stephanie: Ouch...... Uhmm... I'm Stephanie. Did you have to be so loud?

Peter: Yeah Tony, didn't expect you to be so loud. Uhm... Hi I'm Peter, Tony's boyfriend.

Bruce: How old are you?

Peter: 20.

Dick: Silver fox.

Tony: You can only be a silver fox if you got grays. I'm only 36 not 37 like Bruce. Old man bats.

Tim: his boyfriend is younger than you... He's 35.

Tony: you got a boyfriend... Do tell.

Barbara: It's superman.

Tony: Damn

Bruce: Shut up the food is getting cold.

Tony: okay, Mr Blushy.

Child 6:

Kate: Hey. Name's Kate.

Tony: STOP GETTING SO MUCH KIDS!

Harley: *holding baby morgan* What's with all the noise, pops?

Bruce: Wanna explain?

Tony: ... So the avengers are joining us... I shall lead you.

Child 7

Tony: More kids, seriously Bruce?

Bruce: *shrugs*

Tony: What's your name kid?

Cass: Cassandra.

Tony: so-

Steph: Don't bother, Cass isn't much of a talker.

Dick: I've tried many times, no such luck.

Jason: Actually, she said a whole sentence about a month ago.

Barbara: What she say?

Jason: she said, "Jason, can you get me the box of cookies."

Tim: So that's why she hasn't spoken for a month?

Peter: Seriously, for a month?

Kate: Yep, she'll get along well with Bucky, don't you think?

Child 8:

Duke: Hey I'm duke.

Tony: I should just stop being surprised at all the kids.

Steve: I'm surprised it took this long.

Natasha: Yeah I honestly stopped being surprised after the fourth.

Thor: In Asgard, it is common to have at least 12 children.

Bruce: Nope! I draw the line at 8.

Child 9

Bruce. B: Didn't you say you were going to stop at-

Jason: sssssssshhhhhhh... Watch the chaos.

Damian: Pleased to meet you, Mr Stark. I've learned a lot about you. By the way, you should get better security. Your AI was easy to hack.

Tony: You managed to hack F.R.I.D.A.Y?

Damian: I hacked NASA when I was 5 and the batcaves computer at 10. It was easy to hack you.

Tony: Can I adopt you instead of Bruce?

Bruce. W : I'm actually his biological father.

Tony: Bitch, what?

Bruce. W: I'm the biological father.

Tony: I know that! The kid's like 11 You must've had him at what... ? 32? 33? Does Supes know about this?

Bruce: ...he's actually dating Clark's son. Besides that... You have Morgan, how is this different?

Tony: well-

Bat family and avengers: *watching and eating popcorn*

Damian: This popcorn could use more butter.