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terrarium-tonic · 11 months ago

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i argued with an incel for longer than i am proud of

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transphobic, women-hater 18yr old refuses to accept that people have harder lives than him, who simply cannot get any bitches, because he's unsafe to be around.

i work with an andrew tate enthusiast and today we got into a fairly long (3 hours) "debate". it began with trans rights. the obvious stance being that trans people deserve every opportunity and all the love the world can offer for the simple reason that they exist and are people. his counter was that he is ok with trans people as long as they exist quietly and dont shove it down anyone's throats. I responded with the argument that silence often means death and he reacted with general disbelief as he believes that "people know what trans is so they dont need to keep saying it and promoting it". obviously i asked how anyone promotes that and where the line is drawn between demanding acceptance and respect and actively "grooming" children into becoming trans and he couldn't define it besides making the point that people at pride dont always wear "family friendly outfits" and it shows degeneracy to children.

he made the point that he's ok with gay people but escalated it by saying that trans people have a mental illness and that he just wants to help them and that it shouldn't be encouraged or accepted. i told him my understanding of the science and how hormones and brain shape and some of the other things i've read and heard (having trans/ non-binary friends) and his only rebuttal was that not all people who say they are trans are actually trans and if you held a gun to their head then they'd concede but i made it clear that even if this was true, why should that result in suffering for the people who he WILL believe are trans? he wouldn't concede that it isnt a mental illness and maintains that he only wishes help towards these people but i asked him to define help and if he means conversion therapy, he vaguely agreed although didn't exactly know what that would entail so i informed him that people try this stuff and it often involves the systematic torture and sexual abuse of people and that he cannot possibly believe that this is a good thing to put a "mentally ill" person through and if the experts all say that is isnt an illness and the best "cure" is gender affirming care then thats what they should get.

this derailed into links between being trans and being a pedophile, i dismissed this as statistics just dont show any correlation and this is not a safe comparison to make.

i tried making the comparison to black rights and the history of this movement as its something he claimed to have more knowledge of but seemed to have no idea about the way modern slavery is rooted in the prison system and laws and prosecutions are unfairly pointed towards black people meaning that yes we "abolished slavery" but that was followed by segregation and then red-lining and all modern forms of division faced. this seemed to strike something but as soon as i attempted to bring this back to sexuality and gender and point out that these are all minority groups who face prejudice in different forms than that of 50, 100, 400 years ago but suddenly it back tracked to mental illness.

i tried explaining the stonewall riots and how they were seen as necessary because people were literally dying and it was being encouraged by the systems in place and one of the first people to talk was a black, trans-woman who was booed by others members of the community because some of the white L,G and B were prepared to take their rights in exchange for distance from trans people. throughout the debate he kept bringing up the fact that riots, protests and anything other than silence is just being too loud and makes business owners and the general public angry at whichever group is doing the protest. me telling him about stonewall made him bring this up again and he claimed that if people didnt riot that the general public would be a lot more sympathetic and like them more. i had to explain that gay-bashing is a thing people do and the police encouraged and did their fair share but this was again met with disbelief. the aids crisis history had, similarly, no effect

i asked which methods people are meant to enact change when the laws and systems are built against them and he said "speak to the media" and i asked how they can do that without also addressing children and younger people as he seems to think that this would be inappropriate. he didnt have an answer to this. i asked why young people cant learn about these things and he says it should be left to children to figure out on their own and when i tried to point out how much straight sex is pushed upon kids so not teaching LGBT history and information leaves an unfair divide for letting kids "work it out on their own"

we finally got to the route of the problem when we discovered that he holds the belief that women need god in their life otherwise they are degenerate and unpure and they have no self respect. he pointed out that a woman who sleeps with more than people than is appropriate (he would not define what was too many for it to be inappropriate) no longer has self respect and therefore is a reflection on the man as having no self respect. he stated that if a man is with a woman that has slept with multiple people in an unacceptable time frame then it makes the man look lesser and this is the woman's fault. i asked why he couldn't feel secure in the knowledge that his partner is his and only has interest in him and why he would feel insecure knowing his partner has had other partners but he claimed it isn't insecurity and that it simply comes down to self-respect (he couldn't define the term)

i had to point out that he has never had a relationship and that he is not a woman so cannot define what a woman's self respect is made of and cannot possibly give any kind of relationship advice to me. i pointed out that i have loved and respected my partner for nearly 7 years and that he cannot possibly have more first-hand knowledge about this topic.

he asked me the question "in a relationship, who is the prize?" i said "what?" "the man or the woman, who is the prize in the relationship?" i was dumbfounded and stated clearly "the relationship IS the prize, the two of you together in a relationship" he shook his head and wholeheartedly disagreed. "in a relationship the woman will most often say herself and the man will most often say the woman because men are not valued so she has to have self respect and be god-fearing in order to make him look good" i couldn't find a better response than "the god-fearing woman you've made up is taught to respect and value her man more than herself so instantly your logic falls apart" and he actually agreed with me.

i tried the empathy approach again with some hard hitting facts and among the conversation i pointed out that almost every member of the LGBT community has faced some type of violence, many homeless of a young age are homeless because of their LGBT identity. i also tried making him understand (after he claimed that men ask women out more than women ask men out and i told him thats because women have to be as safe as possible and he didn't believe me) i told him that i can say with 100% certainty that every woman he knows has received some type of sexual harassment. that includes cat-calling, unwanted touch, comments about appearance, more violent things than this. i certainly dont know any women who have not experienced something along these lines and i know its also true that, for everything i see or hear about, there are 10 things i dont see or hear about. i told him all this and there was a slight look of sadness, disbelief and denial but i promised him it is true and to think about every woman he knows, mother, sister, classmates, colleagues, he has to understand how true this is and i told him that this is exactly why he needs to learn more respect and that he, actually, isnt shit until he learns to become a safe person to be around and a person who can handle not being wanted because he adds no value to an already valuable woman.

this person is 18-19 and im a little older and i genuinely feel bad for him because i dont want him going towards a woman and making them feel unsafe and then he has to sit in his head and just will not understand that this is both his fault and the fault of many men around him. i wish i could have grabbed his head and just shook him until he learns to do better

#transgender #gay #women #stone wall #fuck incels

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feminerds · 2 years ago

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04 March 2023

After seeing Bikini Kill live @ The Tivoli, Brisbane 03/03/2023 w/ Bec & Mei.

Page 2 - There’s not much that can compare with a room full of women, queers, femmes, themmes, young and old singing along, word for word, with Kathleen Hanna “That girl thinks she’s the queen of the neighbourhod, I got news for you SHE IS!”

The magic of that song - being and desiring to be that girl.

The shaking floor, the dense inner-ear pressure, the upward unified motion of the crowd. The certainty and the support.

There’s something about the sometimes indiscernible lyrics, that makes me think of Humyara’s Comic about everyone putting their little yell into the world - is that heteroglossia?

It is interesting to me that so many of Kathleen Hanna’s projects, say simply -

You should do it

You can do it

Here’s how you could do it

We will support you doing it

The night had a clear intentionality. Lovingly structured to suggest -- you can do this! It’s not so hard, here are the broad steps. And if we can do it, you can too.

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A Gig that is a Zine recipe monograph a play with a thesis a concept gig

Art Accessibility and a Gig that is Auto-logical Self Supporting.

Chapter 1 - The opener - must select a support act that is a small local band, and I mean really quiet small.

Chapter 2 - Come on stage, be fun and cool. Be rockstars.

Chapter 3 - Mutuality of the good vibe. “I can be here because you like me”. Express gratitude for the crowd, they make it possible. The punk-band-you-love is the vibes you bring to the show.

Chapter 4 - Make mistakes, share, be scrappy, “it doesn’t have to be perfect”.

Chapter 5 - Encourage the crowd to literally just think of a band name.

Chapter 6 - “Say you’ll play a gig - then start writing songs”.

Chapter 7 - Remind them criticism will come, new bands get criticised, established bands get criticised. “Let the haters give you inspiration”. Some people won’t get what you do, you’re not making it for them.

Chapter 8 - Making your own isn’t that hard.

Chapter 9 - Support small and local, we need to lift each other up. Mention bands that you’ve supported before, Kathleen name dropped “Minimum Chips” who were a support act to them, last time they toured so-called Aus.

Chapter 10 - Get Lifting!

Chapter 11 - Reap and Repeat.

A (cool and amazing) friend of mine saw the Punk Singer 10 years ago and invited me and couple of friends around to her place, because after seeing it she wanted to start making a zine.

I don’t imagine Bikini Kill would necessarily call themselves a prog band (or maybe I mean that they wouldn’t apply a ‘prog lens’ to their own music) BUT their intentionality of texture (like when look at them without attempting to focus - I just see furious, exciting, incomprehensible woman) puts me in mind of it. When I let my eyes unfocus, and I stop trying to grasp the untamed lyrics - I see, or receive, the sexy, angry women-supporting-women of it all, and it washes inexorably over me. Maybe is a Prog music lens? Maybe it’s Maybeline? Maybe it’s McLuhanism? I love the efficiency and directness of the message I’m receiving in these unfocused moments. How it self supports - how in granularity and in wide shot - word and deed - Bikini Kill says Yell as Well.

Hot Dog Theory of Art Accessibility.

Art accessibility is an enormous topic, but I think about it as a hot dog. Being that it can be tackled from either end. Highly glossy, easily discoverable, eminently digestible, polished products at one end, that say “I’m for everyone!” - think streaming a MCU movie from Disney+ - whose tricks and technology are almost indistinguishable from magic; at the other end, zines. The accessibility of making zines (and by extension art and by extension anything), is their incredible power. That anyone would look at a zine I’ve made and think - “but, I could make this” - is for me, a zines‘ greatest power.

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Juniper of the support act to Bikini Kill - Queerbait - at the Tiv. They were great, you should check them out!

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mmhaterade · 2 years ago

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2023 Hater's Guide to the NCAA South Region.

1. Alabama (29-5). Nate “Quaker” Oats has a long way to go before his squad graduates to levels of orchestrated murder and cover-ups not seen since the 2003 Baylor squad – but buddy, we are getting close! Let me recap: their best player has yet to face any discipline for delivering a gun to his (now former) teammate, who committed a murder shortly after. As a result of the shooting, there’s now a five-year-old who will grow up without a mother because apparently “nobody fights without guns anymore.” The response from the university, athletic department, and head coach has been – at best – tone deaf and at worse, embarrassingly trite. Now, their fans are wearing shirts reading “Killin’ our way through the SEC in ’23.” Nuke this entire state from orbit – it’s the only way to be sure.

2. Arizona (28-6). They always manage to have a solid team despite their location in the middle of a desert. You know, playing basketball in a desert offers a lot of difficulties. Number one being, you’re playing basketball in a desert.

3. Baylor (22-10). During an external review of how the university handled sexual assaults, a final report stated Baylor administrators actively discouraged reporting of sexual assaults, the athletic department continually failed to address sexual assault and high-ranking school officials suppressed reports of 52 (!) rapes and sexual misconduct incidents between 2011-14. FIFTY-TWO. Like most institutions of higher education, Baylor is more interested in protecting their brand than their students. Cocaine Bear is 100% based on the daring and exhilarating adventures of Baylor live mascots (Buckshot and Juan) rampaging through Waco!

4. Virginia (25-7). If we wanted to watch the most boring brand of basketball ever, we would have invited the Wisconsin Badgers to this tournament. Virginia will always be the school for students not racist enough to get into Mississippi or Tennessee but too white to go anywhere else (looking at you, Sam Hauser).

5. San Diego State (27-6). Every year we are forced to read a myriad number of stories detailing how experienced (read: old) this team is, or how “it’s finally the Aztecs’ year!” Until this team employs traditional Aztec warfare strategies – capturing their opponents to sacrifice them in religious rituals -- you can count on them never making the second weekend of the tournament.

6. Creighton (21-12). Stop trying to make Creighton happen. It’s never going to happen. These idiot fans practically rioted when the basketball team hired a black head coach. For the last twenty years they’ve sported a full erection for white three-point shooters who can’t play defense. You might as well root for a team of IT project managers playing basketball while wearing those inflatable dinosaur costumes; they have the exact same chance of making the round of 32 as Creighton.

7. Missouri (24-9). The Tigers have not won a conference championship in 30 years. 96% of their fans pronounce the state name as “misery.” That is the perfect way to describe living in this state. Can you name one relevant historical “moment” about Mizzou basketball? Don’t bother checking the internet; their Wikipedia page is just a list of their records against Big 12 and SEC schools. This school has no redeeming value, every single one of their 24 wins could be defined as “empty,” and I would rather drink battery acid than watch them play.

8. Maryland (21-12). The charter member of the ACC will never be accepted as a member of the Big Ten, but oh wow, look at these bags of money we got from TV networks! Oh, well we guess you can join. Where do I start with these people?

Kevin Willard ain’t it. This guy bitched nonstop the one year the Big Ten played their conference tournament in NYC. He still looks like a penis in a suit.

The women’s team is tougher than the men’s team six days a week and twice on Sunday.

People usually riot when they are angry about something; these idiots do so when their teams win key games.

They had a student group called “The Turgeonites” who dressed up as…their head coach?

This program’s glory days ended before the ink could dry on Gary Williams’ retirement papers.

9. West Virginia (19-14). It’s hard for me to like anything Buzz Williams has done during his career traveling to various backwoods outposts of college basketball, but this moment of him dancing to “Take Me Home, Country Roads” on the WVU logo after a Marquette win in 2012 was incredible. Fuck Bob Huggins and his stool; get this guy a Lazy Boy recliner already. West Virginia recently gave Huggins’ stool a degree because its IQ is better than 2/3 of the student body.

10. Utah State (26-8). Between 2000-2010, the Aggies amassed the fourth most wins in college basketball behind Duke, Kansas, and Gonzaga, but nobody noticed because…it’s Utah. The campus boasts the oldest continuously operating college of business in the West. They are too busy claiming they invented fry sauce (ketchup + mayonnaise mixed together) and catching powder to pay attention to a bouncing orange ball.

11. NC State (23-10). It’s OK if you’ve forgotten about this school, what with their proximity to Duke and North Carolina – Chapel Hill. The Wolfpack have not won their conference since 1989 and their conference tournament since 1987. In the late 80’s, the program – led by Jim Valvano, now known as “Jimmy V” – was accused of grade fixing, lowered or waived entrance requirements for athletes, frequent drug use by athletes (hey, it was the 80s), and the selling of sneakers and game tickets for spending money. Look, those Cookout burgers and milkshakes weren’t going to buy themselves. Any school that boasts Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson as alumni can be rocketed straight into the Mariana Trench.

12. Charleston (31-3). They’ve had a nice season and are a bit under-seeded here but miss me with this team as a popular upset pick; four appearances in the last quarter century have netted a 1-4 record. Pat Kelsey seems like a genuinely nice guy though. Charleston is the 13th oldest institution of higher learning in the United States and their most famous alumni are “not good enough to be a Wayans brother” Orlando Jones and Erick Avari, a guy you vaguely recognize but HAVE NEVER HEARD HIS NAME UNTIL NOW.

13. Furman (27-7). Yes, this is a real basketball team – with uniforms, too! The always entertaining Eye on College Basketball podcast noted that this school should adopt FurMan – just a hairy beast – as their mascot, and I’ll never not think of that now. Fun fact: the university was closed from 1861-1866 so most students could enlist with Confederate forces during the Civil War. Cannon fodder indeed.

14. UCSB (27-7). What is a Gaucho and why has this university chosen a folk symbol of…Argentina as their mascot? Apparently, a gaucho is a skilled horseman, reputed to be brave and unruly. I usually laugh out loud when I think about horses, solely because of this skit. It was a horse.

15. Princeton (21-8). I fully expected this spot to belong to Yale and had a great writeup by longtime Hater’s Guide contributor CW. Everyone wants to pick these paper tigers because a long, long time ago they managed to upset UCLA in the first round 43-41. While you ponder that blindness-inducing final score, read the writeup on Yale anyway:

Yale. It’s always a question about who is smarter: Harvard or Yale students? Well, this story should answer that question. Harvard Pranks Yale With Hilarious Fake Admissions Tour. Harvard students buy Yale sweatshirts then march onto the Yale campus where they pose as tour guides. It’s not entirely clear how they do this without the notice of the Yale admissions staff (Editor’s note: they are dumb), but in the video, they attack a group of a half dozen prospective students and their parents and proceed to give a spiel that makes Yale sound far inferior. “Yale is in many ways Harvard’s little, perhaps less successful sister,” says one fake tour guide, who goes on to make fun of the excessive amount of Gothic architecture on campus. “Yale students are stupider than Harvard students, Yale students are not as successful as Harvard students, Yale students are not as attractive as Harvard students,” he says, while the touring families look on, weirdly unfazed. Even the potential Yale students are trash.

16. Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (23-10) / Southeast Missouri State (19-16). Neither of these teams has a snowball’s chance in Hell of upsetting Alabama, so when picking a rooting interest here, just think about where you would rather live – Corpus Christi, Texas, or Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Missouri just scares me for no other reason than a lot of people got their heads blown off in Ozark. At least in Corpus Christi you have actual beaches on a nice body of water -- the Mississippi River doesn’t count, you savages.

#march madness #college basketball #college #university #college sports

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nobodysdaydreams · 2 years ago

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Mysterious Benedict Society Liveblog Season 2 Episode 2: A Bit of a Light Chop

And... we're back. Looks like no one has seen my liveblogs yet and my post still aren't appearing under tags, so for now I'll be blogging straight into the void.

Edit: wait hold up I think they might have fixed it in that case hello everyone!

0:57- Time for our fancy cruise! Yes Sticky, enjoy yourself. Nothing more despised then stowaways? I don't know about that. Oh it's Captain Noland! He was in the book. That I read. Several years ago... It's been awhile so at this point there's a lot I'm being reintroduced to. Oh my gosh I love Captain Noland. Anyone who monologues that dramatically is bound to be entertaining.

2:40- "always wanted to live through a mutiny" Constance girl, you'll be the one leading it.

3:25- so... that's not the tether ball team, it's a water pollo team. Is Martina on that team? Oh wait no it's those creepy women curse my face blindness but thank you to the camera man for zooming in on them dramatically.

4:30- ~STOWAWAYS~ I just- I love the drama of this. Oh my gosh I love Captain Noland. "I need them walking the plank" "That is no longer legal. Was it ever ethical" "metaphorically" - yes. This man has no idea who the stowaways are but is totally 100% drama ready. I love it. MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF THEM. Oh here we go!

6:30- OH HERE WE GO! (7:00) Oh my gosh his smile is so creepy. He's become so unhinged in such a short time. Poor SQ, now he's gone from having a distant cold angry dad to one who has purchased a first class ticket to crazy town.

7:30- why is he suddenly being nice to #2? Oh my gosh what silly manipulation is he trying now. That's right number 2. Don't take his stupid tea.

8:00- YES JILLSON and JACKSON! Not SQ or Martina, but I'll take it. PFT "we don't trust you" "well earn it- everyday day and everyway" oh Jackson never change. No why get the full picture, just run in any direction! Steal the golf cart! He's gonna hypnotize you into staying if you don't get out now.

9:30- oh I see. So Reynie is a bit clingy and Sticky is a bit distant.

9:40- YES CONSTANCE BACKSTORY. Not the polar bears and clowns RIP.

11:00- That's right, Rhonda, Milligan and Ms. Perumal, you deserve to fly in style.

11:30- Oh my gosh, Jackson looks like he's in tears, wait I treasure you? Hold up I always thought they were siblings, are they a couple? Are they ever gonna tell us?

12:00- Do the lemons ever mean anything? Oh my gosh this is the cultyest cult to ever cult. And seriously, "make each other"- is Jillson and Jackson's relationship just going on in the background? No number 2 don't eat the lemons! Skin and all too. What if they have some poison that affects the brain? Oh my gosh when life gives you lemons- is he gonna make them drink lemonade as part of his stupid pun game? Probably.

13:30- "are you talking about the bathroom" Number 2 is the best.

14:00- "their worry will soon lead to action" yes Mr. Benedict knows his kids.

16:00- Awkward. And yeah, I think them being ceiling fan haters was a long shot Reynie.

16:50- oh right no sugar because they dumped it out. oh my gosh Noland is being tortured by this situation. RUPTURED A SUPERTANK - What- Captain Noland is ready to drop his tragic backstory, finally someone who isn't gonna make me wait several seasons.

17:30- Perfect storm: some stowaways and no sugar. Oh my gosh Situation Alpha. This is phenomenal.

18:00- "no one thinks we're the stowaways" you're 4 kids unsupervised with only one change of clothes your the most stowaway-y stowaways to ever stowaway.

18:44- Oh great. The Sticky outgrowing his friends plot is growing, wait is he trying to impress his old friends. Honey, you are a genius you don't need to try this hard. NO KATE DON'T TALK TO THE SCARY WATER POLO LADIES. "That is why we play for a living" oh dear. Never mind, yes Kate get the info and call their bluff when you realize they are not legit.

21:00- He's been obsessed with being liked. Yeah no kidding. "Almost as sweet as your brother" oh shut up Sebastian. When did Curtain even have time to write a book? Was it the year in exile?

25:00- oh Milligan trauma dumping. No sadly it's not simple. Maybe Ms. Perumal can help him get his memory back.

26:00- Don't grab the fence, it will shock you. Trust me, I saw the trailer. And every other show with this plot. Also it's Curtain what else would he do.

26:33- CALL SQ BACK? CURTAIN WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO THAT BOY? YOU BETTER NOT HURT HIM! Yes the Benedict busts in on Curtain scene we've all been waiting for. "Protecting the Vibe" Curtain's literally just messing with his brother at this point.

27:20- Yeah his movements and voice cadence are extremely unsettling. Sure call it neuroscience if you want, or deplorable, I call it being a punchable creep. Heartbroken? Oh poor benedict. He needs to run into SQ, they both need some love right now. Also, I wonder which brother is really jealous of who here? Benedict jealous of Curtain for having everything when he made unethical choices, or Curtain jealous of Benedict because he has a stable group of friends and family that love him without him needing to control them? Much to think about.

29:15- um hi Sebastian. You're looking creepy this evening. Nothing behind those eyes.

29:48- Oh good maybe Captain Noland and Cannonball can ham things up for us. NOT THE SILLY CARTOON PICTURE- I- I love these two. I don't know if this is what they were like in the books, but I might have to do a reread.

30:50- oh no not the fake water polo team. This poor newly wed couple is gonna come back to their room destroyed if those kids don't get under the bed quick. What that's it? We didn't even get to see if they entered the right room or not? Ugh this is frustrating, but ultimately good that I can't binge all at once because I would.

I love it. Wish that we got Garrison, Martina, and SQ back, but I love it. I need Garrison to get her revenge (unless she's been pulling the strings that whole time of course), and I need to know where SQ is right now. Curtain you monster, your son is a talent and will not be happy drawing yellow squares for the rest of his life.

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stuckinapatriarchalbullshitland · 4 years ago

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There is a light at the end of the tunnel

Hello, Stuck. Sorry, I don’t know your real name.

I wrote this long ass post to bring some light into the fandom and between the CSs, and I hope you can post it? I’m new in the Tumblr world, but not in the 5H fandom. I don’t quite know how it works yet and, for the moment, I only know your blog and those of @emisonme, @karlaswine, @sun-to-my-luna, @underthatimpression, and @mentesimploria because, in one way or another, you’re all connected to each other. I just wanted to tell you guys how much I appreciate every single one of you, the passion you have, and the hope you keep alive among those who, like me, love the girls. Also, the patience you guys have, especially against the haters, is admirable. I love the fact that you keep going. Because this is your sacred place, as it should be.

This is the very first time I’ve ever done anything like this. I’m what can be defined as a ‘silent fan’. I never commented on anything in the girls’ posts, not even on the fan accounts I follow. I don’t have Twitter. I have Facebook but it’s like I don’t have it because I don’t use it. I have Wattpad (obviously). I recently registered here on Tumblr, and I have Instagram. That’s what I use. It’s the only app along with YouTube that I use daily to keep up with the rest of the world. Especially the American part of the world. I’m Italian, but I speak American English well, and I apologize in advance if my lazy ass hasn’t noticed possible grammatical errors. I saw that a lot of you are into this stuff, so I thought I’d add it just because. I’m a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon, and Virgo rising.

I’m gonna turn 29 on December 22, and this is a BIG fuck off to all the people who have attacked you lately for your age. This is personal information that I give freely to make ignorant and small-minded people understand that, in this context especially, age is irrelevant. As you, little fucker who hides behind a computer to attack people just to feel stronger, have a life, we have it too. Like you, we have a life, a job, friends, etc. We also have passions. Passions that yes, my dear haters, also include shipping people. I don’t know why in your stupid brain we’re too old to ship people we love and to give opinions about it. I didn’t know it was something reserved only for those who still smell like mommy’s milk. But anyway…

I became aware of 5H existence just before summer 2015 thanks to ‘Worth It’. Being Italian, however, I had no idea who they were, and to be honest, I didn’t go searching for them. Randomly one day then, I ran into Camren on YouTube. I can’t remember which video I was watching, but I know for sure it was about ‘Heya/Brittana’ (Heather Morris and Naya Rivera/Brittany and Santana, my very first hard LGBT ship). And among the suggested videos, there they are. As ridiculous as it sounds, and although I liked them as soon as I saw them, I didn’t go searching for them. I did it when ‘Work from Home’ came out though. From there, I connected that they were the same ‘Worth It’ group and the same two girls I liked from those YouTube videos. I had officially become a fan. I was screwed. Screwed because, I’d officially entered one of the most messed up and yet most beautiful fandoms ever.

As I initially said, this is the very first time I’ve ever done anything like this. But after the recent events, seeing how many people gave up, it made me a little angry and gave me the strength to speak for the first time. I thought the first time would’ve been through the fanfiction I’ve been working on for over two years, but no. Lauren and her beautiful mouth had to terrorize, disappoint, panic, and make angry 80% of CS, thus fueling the hatred of all the other fandom towards us. So I decided to speak now. Maybe, just maybe, this very long ass post of mine is gonna help struggling CS. Maybe, just maybe, it’s gonna make them reason and bring them to their senses.

So. This, as I think you’ve understood, is about Lauren and what she said in the podcast. This is a reminder of the Laucy situation. These are things we already know and that I want to remind you of because apparently, my lovely fellows CS, either you have a short-term memory, or Lauren has the power to create amnesia in people’s minds and I knew nothing about it. Surely this power of hers didn’t work on me and a few others.

Oh and, before starting: 1) You may disagree with me. It’s normal to have different opinions. 2) You can search for information such as dates, easily on the internet. 3) I’m gonna use nicknames on PRs for fun. That doesn’t mean I hate them. I have my reasons for dislike each one of them as people, but I can assure you it has nothing to do with the fact that they were or are the Camren beards. An example to make you understand what I mean is Ty. I’m a huge Ari fan and I’ve been listening to ‘safety net’ non-stop for two days straight. I really dislike Ty as a person, but I separate the art from the artist.

Okay, that said, I can start.

Lauren said: “I knew I was queer because I fell in love with my best friend when I was like 15.” – “Her and I started to have a physical connection when I was 15.”

Lauren and Lucid Vivisectionist met when L moved to Carrollton in 7th grade. Lucille moved back to Puerto Rico in February 2012, returning to visit Miami occasionally (this explains the fetus pictures with Lucy and Camren at L’s house). In February 2012, Lauren was 15, Camila 14, and Lucy 16. And who did Lauren meet when she was 15? Oh yeah, Camila. C and L did the first phase of the audition, the ‘cattle call’, on May 1, 2012 in Greensboro, North Carolina. Audition where Camila took courage to speak at the (“Oh my God that girl is) literally so beautiful” girl from which she felt intimidated by starting that adorable brief conversation “Hi, I like your shirt”, “Thanks. I like your jacket” just before it was her turn to get in for her audition. In May 2012, Lauren and Camila were both 15 years old. Lauren and Camila saw each other again for the first time on July 25th, two months later, in Miami on the first day of boot camp, and it was Lauren herself who went to Camila: “You’re the Cuban girl!”. In July 2012, Lauren was 16 and Camila was 15.

Lauren said: “She came back into my life when I was 18. I was on tour and I was in my room in a hotel somewhere, and she called me.” Let me explain to you why I think this is true.

Lauren and Luxy reconnected with each other after Lucy’s car accident that took place on May 15, 2015. Lauren was really 18 in May 2015, and we can rule out The Reflection Tour dates because it started on February 27, 2015, and ended April 6, 2015. We can also rule out these other show dates that 5H did: April 11 in Jackson Township, New Jersey - April 13 at Live! with Kelly and Michael in New York - April 19 Lauren was at Coachella with Keana, Britt, and other friends - April 22 at the Worldwide Radio Summit in Hollywood - April 25 at Radio Disney Music Awards 2015 in Los Angeles - May 8 at Channel 93.3 Summer Kickoff 2015 in Chula Vista, San Diego - May 9 at Wango Tango 2015 in Carson, Los Angeles (May 9, rumors about Camila and Louis Tomlinson just because paparazzi believed they were together when Louis was actually together with Liam outside the Project Club L.A., and C who was at the club next door) - May 15 at KDWB Radio Show in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

The rest of their program and possible date: May 16 at Kiss Concert 2015 in Mansfield, Massachusetts - May 19 at Dancing with the Stars in Los Angeles - May 30 at G-A-Y in London (rumors about Lauren and Louis Tomlinson this time, born because 5H went to Libertine nightclub with Louis and Niall) - May 31 at Britain’s Got More Talent in London - June 2 at Capital FM in Birmingham, England - June 5 at Good Morning Britain in London - June 6 at Capital FM Summertime Ball 2015 in London - June 12 at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu, Hawaii - June 14 at LA Pride 2015 - June 18 at Jimmy Kimmel Live in Los Angeles - June 20 at B96 Pepsi Summer Bash 2015 in Bridgeview, Illinois - June 23 at San Diego County Fair 2015 - 28 June at Show Of The Summer 2015 in Hershey, Pennsylvania - July 10 at Rockefeller Plaza in New York. July 15, 2015, beginning of Reflection: The Summer Tour.

June 27, 2015 Lauren turned 19, and do you guys remember the events of those days? Because I do.

On June 24, 2015, Lauren celebrated her birthday in advance at the famous sushi restaurant ‘Katsuya’. Among the guests were the girls, her mom Clara, some friends, including Jill (the same Jill/Jillian Gutowitz who worked with Zack Sang and who 5H met on April 22, 2015, at the Worldwide Radio Summit, which lasted for three days but they were present for two: 22 and 23. The same Jill who wrote the article for AfterEllen on January 25, 2016, about her experiences with women who denied their sexuality. Remember the story of Lauren Jordan, right?), and Noah Benardout (may he rest in peace). Still no Lucia, not even on the days when Lauren returned to Miami to celebrate with her family before resuming the program from the 28. As I already said, The Reflection Summer Tour began on July 15, 2015, and Lucy’s first public reappearance took place on one of the tour dates, that is, July 27 at Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

From that moment on, we saw Lucille appear on multiple occasions in hops through time. After the July 27th date, we saw her during the trip to Hawaii with Lauren and Keana in September, followed by the concert that the girls had on October 10 in the Bahamas, where they stayed with their families and friends for a few days. After the Bahamas, the mess happened between 5H because they found out about Camila’s departure from the group which initially should’ve been immediate, but for which they fought and gained another year. That, was also the time when Laucy signed their PR contract. As we know from Lauren herself, that was the worst and darkest time for her. That was the beginning of her numbness.

On October 23, they were on their way to Italy and Lauren wrote on her dark diary, the one shown to us in Episode 8 of her Attunements. On October 24, they arrived in Milan for the MTV Europe Music Awards 2015 occurred on October 25, and on October 28, in Madrid instead, there was the interview with Alyson Eckmann, the journalist Camila flirted with while Lauren was sitting right next to her.

Going forward, in November we have:

- Rumors about Lauren and Julius Dein (his friend who is a YouTube magician).

-The release of IKWYDLS including the rumors about Camila and Shawn and Michael Clifford (who was already in the picture) who were ‘vying for her’.

- Beginning of Lauren’s coming out plan which included: 1) The release of The Vamps’ album on November 23rd, that is, a week after the release of IKWYDLS, and which included the track ‘I Found A Girl’. Joe O'Neill, the manager of The Vamps, liked that famous tweet. Despite the efforts to make us believe that Bleahren (sorry for the Italian pun I made here, but ‘bleah’ in Italian is equivalent to the ‘eww’ to indicate something gross, and therefore Bleah-Ren) Brauren was real and that the girl involved was Lucille and not Camila, they’ve miscalculated since Lauren and Brad ‘dated’ in 2014 when Lucy had not yet returned into Lauren’s life. But since the album and consequently the song came out on November 23, 2015, they tried to manipulate people’s minds as usual. 2) Jill’s article that served to connect and more or less ‘confirm’ the story between this Jordan and her childhood friend, Lauren-Lucy.

- December: completion of the 7/27 album + Dina LaPolt’s entry + renegotiation of the contracts (mostly DNA’s contracts) + FIFTH HARMONY MUSIC, INC. created by LAND on December 21 to prepare for the transfer of the 5H trademark, the FIFTH HARMONY PARTNERSHIP, of which they became owners from April 27, 2016 + change of management from Faculty Management: Jared Paul and Janelle Lopez, to Maverick Management: Larry Rudolph, Dan Dymtrow, and Tara Beikae. [All things that were possible ONLY THANKS to the exit of C from the group]

- January 2016, we have Lauren and Lucrezia who came back from Colombia to then taking a road trip for Lucy’s birthday week.

- Jill’s article came out and coincidentally, by pure chance, exactly two days later, on January 27, 2016, Camila and Dinah were hacked.

- On March 9, 2016, Lauren, Normani, Andrea, Dinah, and Keana went to pierce their ears, or rather, Laurmainah pierced their ears, mama Dre and Keana just accompanied them. During her turn, Lauren asked Keana to take her phone to make a video. In the meantime, Mani was filming Lauren, and again by pure chance, Keana, who was in the heart of the frame, took Lauren’s phone as she’d asked, and both the lock screen and the home screen portrayed a picture of Lucania during a photoshoot. Same picture Lucy herself posted on Instagram on April 10th to leave no doubt.

- April 24, 2016, Coachella together.

- Luciana went with 5H in London, in May, during the promotion of the 7/27 album. (+ Camren video of May 28, 2016)

- She was present during the start of the tour in South America on June 26th (in the evening during the concert, L danced Big Bad Wolf for her, but that’s not the famous video, that was on September 5) and 27th to celebrate L’s birthday together (picture of the 27th of them in Buenos Aires).

- June 27, 2016, on L’s birthday, Jill posted a picture with L from the birthday dinner of the year before, further confirming the story of ‘Jordan’.

- August 1, the national girlfriend day, L posted a picture of her and Lucy.

- From August 12 to 21, Lucy was with them. The night after the concert on the 13th in Rochester Hills, Michigan, videos in which Lucilla appeared during Lauren Fuller’s birthday celebration at the hotel for dinner. On the 14th in Noblesville, Indiana, during Gonna Get Better and Big Bad Wolf Lauren smiled in Lucy’s direction who was in the audience. On the 18th in Virginia Beach, Virginia, a fan met Laucy in a movie theater restroom, taking a selfie with Lauren (C posted a picture of her in the dark with the words of Bad Things “don’t think that I can explain it” the same night).

- On September 4 and 5 Lucippe returned. On the 5th in Houston, Texas, the famous ‘super HD’ video took place in which Lauren danced Big Bad Wolf for Lucy, even pointing to her during her verse. [On September 6, Midland, Texas, during the Q&A, Lauren wore the same dress that Lucy was wearing to the concert the night before, and at the same time, she sat next to C and got jealous when C complimented a fan by sending her flying kisses. Ahh… The irony]

Now. Let’s move on to the part of the podcast where Lauren explains about the kiss with Lucza at her uncle and aunt’s wedding, how her aunt “super innocently” posted the pictures on Facebook that her “unreal invasive fans” found and posted, how Perez Hilton outed her to the world by posting an article with those pictures, how she did nothing for a week, and that after thinking “Ok, it happened. People know. What am I gonna do?”, she wrote that letter against Trump as her own way of coming out.

On November 4, 2016, Lauren and Lucynda did the ‘famous’ photoshoot in New Orleans called ‘Bare With Me’. Lauren flew to NOLA right after Halloween, got back to Miami to vote, then returned to New Orleans on the 10th along with her family for the wedding. Lucianna was also with her on the 10th for the rehearsal/bowling with all of Lauren’s relatives. Meanwhile Orange Trumpeter was elected on the 8th, and many celebrities were preparing to write a letter through Billboard against him and his supporters. Labels and management saw it as a perfect opportunity to get her to come out also considering how much Lauren has always been vocal on the subject, and THEY contacted Billboard to get her to participate in exchange of the exclusive of her coming out. All that was missing was the evidence to make sure that there had been no connection with Camila, and that was the reason for the kiss at the wedding on the 11th.

On November 13, the wedding photographer posted those pictures on his website, including the one of the kiss. And I’m sorry, Lolo, I love you but, really? Who are you kidding? The pictures didn’t start spreading because her ‘unreal invasive fans’ found them on her aunt’s Facebook page where she’d posted them ‘super innocently’. The pictures started spreading after the photographer posted them! And you know what’s even more funny? That to see those pictures on the website, you needed an access password. So what are you saying here, Lo? That your ‘unreal invasive fans’ were so good, to even have hacked their way into the website for pictures they didn’t even know existed? It wasn’t your team, was it? Oh, okay. My bad.

Sarcasm aside. The pictures started to spread, Perez tweeted about it on the 14th, and in the meantime Lauren had time to write the letter that was approved by the labels and sent to Billboard (on the 14th), who approved it a couple of days after it was sent (on the 16th), and which they then published it in the article two days later (on the 18th). In all of this, on November 15, 2016, the girls all went to Epic’s party. Since we know very well that most of the cases of coming out as bisexual in the industry made by a female celebrity occur in succession with the connection with a guy, that night there was the PR proposal between Typo Dolour Signal and Lauren that he obviously accepted, and in fact, he was there that night at that party too (Picture of C with a tear mark on her cheek).

Now, the icing on the cake of the Laucy’s PR: Nicole Cartolano. Nicole is a friend of Lecy’s with whom she had already worked together and who also posted pictures of Lauren on November 17 and 22, 2016, one on December 31, 2016, together with Marian Hill taken backstage after Lauren’s performance with them on the 30th, the night before, for the Snow Globe Festival in South Lake Tahoe, California, and the one of Laucy (with the piñata) on January 10, taken the same night to celebrate Lucilia’s birthday at midnight and that Lauren also used to post it for wish her a happy birthday. That was the last public interaction between the two. *Slow entry of Tympans Dollhouse Signalized in the picture from January 4, 2017, thanks to that tweet*.

On January 21, 2017, Lauren and Lucy were at the same Women’s March, but separately (single), and we haven’t seen them together anymore. LuBYE. On March 22, 2017, both ‘Bare With Me’ and the interview article Nicole did with MTV News (she confirmed that Laucy had been together by having an on-again, off-again for years and also said a lot of other bullshit like the fact that the girls were nervous because they didn’t know how their parents would’ve responded) came out. On August 13, 2018, Nicole officially apologized to Lucy for being angry with her for posting the pictures and therefore for having outed her and for having taken part in the MTV interview without their permission. There was also the screenplay made by Nicole’s mom to make everything even more true.

Bullshit on bullshit on bullshit. Number 1, Lauren herself confirmed in this podcast that her parents knew about her, and said how much she loved Lucre’s ‘I’m out and proud’ part.

Number 2, Nicole posted a preview of the pictures on March 18, 2017, so if she really wanted to stop her before the publication on the 22nd, she would’ve had time to do so.

Number 3, Lucita came out publicly on her own with that Spanish post on Instagram on November 20, 2016, saying in summary that she was anything but straight because she didn’t want to label herself (she did it years later by saying she was a lesbian).

Number 4, as Lusia also confirmed in that post where Nicole’s mom left that comment, Nicole signed a non-disclosure agreement form. If she had actually violated it without having had a release and written consent form, she would’ve been sued.

Number 5, if Luciferase really wanted to have that conversation in private with Nicole’s mom, she might very well have done so. She could’ve contacted her and answered her IN PRIVATE for real, and not via IG where EVERYONE saw and took the side of poor, poor Luckless.

Number 6, the biggest proof that shows the hypocrisy of all this, Lucasta continued to work with Nicole. Their last work dates back to November 25, 2019.

Okaay, sure… sure, because it was normal for her to continue working with the person who outed her, wasn’t it? People’s lies never cease to amaze me. For that matter, Nicole also posted a picture of their ‘adventure’ as they made their way to the photoshoot location on November 1, 2017, and continued to wish them both a happy birthday with posts every year.

And lastly, on June 6, 2020, we have the Lucerne’s video leaked (+ old pictures and videos of 5H) where she burned pictures of Lauren and of the two of them together in 2017, accompanied by the tweets occurred two days later, in which she explained that she was hacked and that she burned the pictures for a closure. Then, exactly 20 days later, that is on June 26, 2020, the PAPER Magazine article of Lauren’s interview came out. What a coincidence! In that article, Lauren explained, along with other things, that she’d been in love with her best friend for 7 years.

Lauren, honey, the maths, the maths… If according to your words you fell in love with her at 15, got together with her at 18, and broken up at 20, how can these be 7 years? It’s 5 years… And as if it wasn’t enough, still according to your words, after 1 year and 8 months (from mid-May 2015 to mid-January 2017), 2 months of which public because of the wedding pictures, of the relationship you wanted at all costs, “all in” and “now we’re gonna be in this relationship”, you broke up with her because she was really toxic, and after less than a month, you started dating an even more toxic person without the proper time to heal?? How do you expect me to believe you? And I’m putting aside the fact that I know they’re both PR relationships. I’m speaking out of logic. How? How can I believe you? How does this make any sense?

Personally, yes, I believe Lauren and Lucy have a past. Lauren’s first kiss was when she was 13 (8th grade) with her boyfriend at the time, Dominic, but I think Lucy was her first kiss with a girl. And I think it happened when she was 15, but in 2011, so long before Lucy left. Lauren dated Paul Martinez from June 4, 2011, to the end of July (around 23/24). From after Paul, until her very first PR at X-Factor, Keaton Stromberg, she was single. I truly believe that before she met Camila, Lauren and Lucy did everything Lauren said. I really believe Lauren experimented with her in secret, but I don’t believe in anything else she said at all.

This is my opinion. And in my opinion, Lauren always knew she was queer, and Lucy was the first with whom she could experience the attraction and the feelings towards girls she had always felt and concealed deep inside herself. But they were friends. Just friends. Friends who messed around and experimented together in secret given the environment that surrounded them. Lucy then returned to live in Puerto Rico and they simply drifted apart because of the distance and Lauren’s busy schedule with 5H. When she came back into Lauren’s life, they rekindled their friendship. Just that. Also because, Camila, hello? Camila entered Lauren’s heart the same year Lucy left and never get out of it. Not to mention that Lucy had a girlfriend, Sarah Scott Narcise, before getting together with Nicole Marie Rendón in March 2017. I honestly think that Lucy was also giving advice to Lauren about her relationship with Camila, and I also think that now they really aren’t friends anymore for something we don’t know about, even though I have my theories… But anyway. Lauren needed a beard to be able to come out, Lucy needed visibility for her modeling career and, at the time, also for her music which, however, never saw the light of day. The labels approved because they would’ve done anything to keep their chosen one out of the gay light. Camila also approved. Boom, PR.

I don’t believe all the other bullshit she said during the podcast. Because if they’d been true, they would’ve made logical sense. A sense they’ve been trying, and failing, to give for years. If Lauren really didn’t want to come out, she wouldn’t have done a photoshoot with Lucy a week before the wedding with the intention of using that same photoshoot to come out. She would not have kissed Lucy in a public place during the wedding pictures in front of a professional photographer hired for the event, knowing full well that those pictures would eventually have been published by the bride and groom, her aunt and uncle, and the photographer himself. If she wanted so badly a picture of her kissing her girlfriend, drunk or not, she would’ve taken her fucking phone and take selfies. It wasn’t the fans’ or Perez’s fault. It was the management that was following the plan.

And I’m supposed to, what exactly? Forget all these things, things that have been proofed multiple times in the past, because Lauren, or Camila, or management, or labels, or their contracts, must continue with their stupid narrative? Because Camila must continue to look straight and continue to look in love with Shalt Menstruated because the señorito is about to release his documentary and his album? Because Camila’s movie is about to come out? Because Lauren’s own album is about to be released and because the subject matter of her female-pronounced songs must only and exclusively be related to Lucy? (Although I think her album will be out next year. I think a song with female pronunciation is coming out soon. And no, I’m sorry, I don’t think it’s Burning)

Guys, come on…

Think about it. She used Lucy as a shield to tell part of her story with Camila that happened in 2014. It all fits. Even the story told through songs from Camila’s cocky POV, including ‘Like Friends Do’, ‘Eyes on You’, ‘Cleopatra’, ‘Leave for Good’, and a couple from her last album like ‘Should’ve Said It’ and ‘Feel It Twice’.

I understand why many of you have been hurt by this podcast and by Lauren herself. I understand why a lot of you are angry about the things she said. I see you, I understand, I really do. And everyone is free to feel whatever they want, I’m not saying otherwise. But I really don’t understand why you’re hiding or why you’re abandoning the ship. Authors who don’t wanna write anymore. Accounts closed. Names changed. Hope lost. This, all this, makes me angry and hurt. Because you fell for it. And you know why you fell for it? Because Lauren changed her approach. Leaving aside the part just before when she said: “Even when I talk about it, and I don’t talk about it because I’ve learned to just ignore it because-” and there, I swear I had to pause because I burst out laughing, and I was like: “Bitch, you’re the one who pulled this out of your ass out of nowhere right this second, what are you saying?”. She went on by saying, and she knows us so well because of this: “I just chose to ignore it at a certain point because getting angry to them would it mean that it was real and validate it more for them”.

And it’s true. This non-angry approach of hers, worked like a charm. Lauren’s older, she’s more mature than before. Although she was very nervous, she managed to explain everything calmly. The fact that she was emotional and almost cried in many parts, it really gave an extra boost to what she tried to sell. And I’m not saying she faked almost crying. Hell, no. That was super true and hard for her. I’m saying though, that it’s really easy to manipulate people’s minds, and Lauren used her real pain, the real suffering she has gone through over the years to tell this charade. That’s why it seemed so real. And I’m supposed to fall for that shit just because that’s what they’ve wanted for years, right? Convenient much?

Guys, please. You’re smarter than that, use those beautiful brains. For example, the fact that Lauren said: “I was queer, but she was not”, wrong as you want it to be, and “Camila and I were just really good friends at that time”, yeah, sure, Jan. Doesn’t the very fact that she used the past tense make you realize that it was done to completely detach herself from her IN THE PRESENT? Everything she said was for something. Everything had a purpose. And the goal is always the same. Make us stop shipping ‘em. Putting a label on C only served the Shoestoremila purpose, nothing else. And those were words that came out of the mouth of the one who says she doesn’t like labeling people. The same one who was pissed that someone had outed her before she wanted to. Do you really think she’s that hypocritical?

The fact that she put all the CS in the same box, especially when she talked about the Daddy situation, WAS DONE ON PURPOSE. She couldn’t fail to generalize because their purpose is, and will be for a long time to come, to kill Camren. That means the whole fandom. Not just invasive elements. But really all the CS. The purpose was to make us feel guilty. The purpose is to make us accept that it was never real, and since we care about them, to make us continue to support them individually and not as a couple, even though she knows that the real CS do it regardless. This, is called manipulation, guys.

Think about everything else too. The inconsistency. The holes in her story. The lack of explanations. And the fact that during the story of how it all happened, she jumped from one theme to another and therefore managed to deflect and not completely finish one before moving on to the other, doesn’t it make you understand that she didn’t want to give too many details? And when does that usually happen? She knew we’d analyze her. She knew she couldn’t say too much. When she talked about Lucy, she knew that WE know she was talking about Camila, and with too many details, it would also have been obvious to the others because WE would’ve pointed it out to everyone. I mean, it’s obvious enough in itself, imagine if she’d fed us more information that we would’ve compared in the timeline.

Please, guys. I know that it feels like something’s changed, but it’s not. It’s really not. I’m appealing to all of you. Open your eyes. Reason. I know many of you still have conflicting emotions and feelings, and that’s okay. If you’re still upset, if you still wanna cry, then cry. Do whatever helps you feel better because, especially after the haters have come to bite your asses, you’re entitled to feel the way you do. But please, please, don’t give up. If you give up, you just play their game. You just do them a favor. You guys had invested so much of your time, so much of your passion, so much of yourselves to just, give up. Think of all we’ve been through, especially those who’ve been in the fandom for years. Think about how happy Camren makes you. They were there for you when you needed them. When you were going through hard times. I know they’ve helped a lotta people.

And think about this too. Lauren herself said at the beginning of the podcast: “The news and the media are constantly spinning narratives for your clicks so they can make money”. And what do you think this podcast was for? It’s always the same shit. Have you not noticed how the very same news and media have ALL talked about them? Didn’t you notice how My Oh My magically returned into the charts? How 50ft surpassed the 9 million streams on Spotify? And you still have doubts?

This is instead for the CS who get often angry about their actions. I personally think it’s pointless to blame Lauren and Camila for every single thing they do that has been PLANNED for them. Especially Camila as far as Shonas is concerned. There’s a pattern here too. Lauren had her light PR with Lucia. Lauren then had her heavy PR with Typic Dole Sight while Camila had a light one with Eatchu. And now Camila’s having a heavy one. C’s one is heavier simply because they’re much more famous than PRen (Tyren) were. So, guys, be patient. There’s really no point in getting angry and blaming them. It’s a waste of energy. It’s useless to blame them if they’re gonna continue to do so over the years to come. They’re just still trying to get past their original contracts and survive in the industry at the same time. Sooner or later, I HOPE, they will be free to tell the truth or the truth will come out on its own.

Well, I’m done. Jeez, that was long, wasn’t it? But I hope it was worth it. I hope I’ve cleared your heads a little bit and instilled some hope again. I also hope I made you smile with all those nicknames and my sarcasm. I especially hope that wherever you are, you’re having a good day, and if not, then I hope it has improved at least a little bit with this post. And thank you so much, Stuck. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to use my voice for the first time publicly/virtually. You, above all, keep on being one of the lights and NEVER let them turn you off. I love you guys. Stay safe. Stay strong. Stay patient. With love, F.

I leave you with these two pearls:

Number 1. Lauren said something else too. She said: “Don’t trust me. Go research. Go look this shit up yourself”. I know she said it for a completely different context, but I found it really funny given the situation.

Number 2. This is a small scene that automatically created itself in my head as soon as I finished listening to Wonder. I titled it: The sad and short story of the making of ‘Wonder’.

Enjoy:

*on the phone*

Shawl Mendicant: “Hey, buddy. I know you were a huge Fifth Harmony fan and I know you love my fake girlfriend, so I was thinking… could you help me? You know, I need her to stay relevant, but to do that, I also need to release music and completely take all the credit from other people because, you know, the most I do is change a sentence or two in my style to make people think that I wrote all my songs.”

Sam Smith: “………okay?”

Shawnita Menorrhagia: “So, I was wondering, can I copy your homework? You can totally refuse if you want to, but I’m hoping to appeal to the love you have for 5H and Camila, and maybe help a friend out?”

Sam Smith: “Yeah, sure, you can copy my homework. Anything for my girls. Just, change it up a bit so it doesn’t sound too obvious you just copied it.”

Shonas Mended: “Don’t worry. I’ve got this. Thanks, man.” - *ends the call*

Sam Smith looking at the phone with an incredulous expression and one hand over his heart: “I came out as a non-binary, you insensitive asshole!”

Shoes Mentionable from the other room: “Cameeela! He said yes!” *reaching then Camila and Lauren in the living room where Lauren is lying with her head resting on Camila’s legs who’s running her fingers through her hair with one hand and holding the book that she’s reading with the other one* “You were right, all I had to do was mention you girls.”

Lauren chuckling and continuing to pet Cleo who’s lying at the foot of the couch with one hand: “Told you”, to then adding: “And please, I know you’re excited because of the news but keep your voice down”, continuing to caress Sofi’s head who’s sleeping on top of her with the other one.

Shapeless Mentality: “Oh, sorry.”

Camila without looking away from her book: “Sam’s really nice. I’m sure they would’ve said yes even without the need of mentioning us.”

Lauren: “Hmm, I’m not so sure about that, babe. Yes, they’re very nice, but we’re powerful in their minds, so it was an added incentive for them to say yes.”

Shaved Mentholated: “Who are they? Weren’t we talking about Sam?”

Camila who was giggling at her girlfriend’s words:

Lauren:

Sinu from the kitchen:

Cleo who was nibbling her toy:

Even Thunder, Leo, and Eugene from outside into the yard:

*the end*

Chon Mendable: ‘Wonder’ - Sam Smith: ‘One Last Song’

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OMG I am speechless. I’m really still digesting this whole story because it’s amazing but I wanted to start by saying hello to you and telling you my name, my name is Marite. It is a pleasure to meet you dear friend. I don’t want to write too much because your words are much more important than mine but I wanted to thank you for trusting me and my blog to tell me your story. That side of the story that, being new and not having been a harmonizer from the beginning, I never learned. I intended to ask for more information about Laucy’s Timeline but what you have told is a gem. A gem that shows that the bastards of the industry cannot fool the fans because we pay attention to everything and it is not easy for us to fall for their shit. I think the power we fans have is so great that if we all came together, we could bring down this whole fucking fake empire that they have created. That said, Laucy’s story is surprising. As planned and how each person involved had to do their part on the chessboard. Incredible. Now that you tell me that story, I think it fits the one I wrote in my once upon a time post. Sure, yours is true and has everything that mine doesn’t. I have tried to keep this blog open for all who wish to come and air their ideas, their thoughts, their tea. And you dear friend, you have been one of the best so far. You’ve given us that support that the fandom so badly needed and I really appreciate it. I also appreciate your humor, the nicknames have been so hilarious and I’m still laughing. Thank you for daring to tell this part of the story and reopen the can of worms of a PR that right now resurfaces with that Lauren interview. With a purpose, it’s true. And something tells me that we will see much more very soon. Thank you for your support, my friend. And you know, you have my blog at your disposal for whatever you need. And if you need to talk or anything else. I greatly appreciate that we can continue to keep this ship afloat among ourselves. Among a group of intelligent people who have been hurt by someone we have always loved very much even though we know the reason for all that. We can’t give up now because if we do it like you say they will win and I personally don’t plan to indulge them in that. Thank you very much for all dear friend and I hope you have a nice day. I send you a hug and I hope you stay safe.

#submission #laucy timeline #amazing #thanks you buddy #camren #f anon

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mithliya · 2 years ago

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I agree with anti suicide as man-hating is intrinsic to feminism because anger is a natural reaction to your oppression. This emotion is the driving force behind any social justice movement, without it, there would be no motive. So I think its natural for some of these women to get offended by that take because the trauma and consequent anger theyve suffered as a result of patriarchy were guiding forces to awakening to misogyny and accepting radical feminism in their lives. At the end of the day, you can love women as a class, but you do not need to love a woman to fight for her rights. What was that about feminism being for even the most vile woman? Many of these women have had shitty female relatives and friends that they might despise, but their hatred and anger of men and their male supremacy is their driving force to be passionate feminists. Also, i dont understand that ask that said it must be OSA women disagreeing with you— wouldnt OSA actually agree since theyd be the ones more likely to center males in their lives? Wouldnt they be more inclined to say that “man-hating” shouldn’t be the root of feminism? That didnt make much sense to me. Women often talk about their hatred of men because its unacceptable to do so in other spaces. Radical feminism is meant to be a space in which we can vent our frustrations with male supremacy. As for your comment about women who both hate men and women— well, those women arent feminists then. Theyre excluded from radical feminism by virtue of being misogynists so it wouldnt render your argument null. I hope this makes sense. Im trying to be civil

i addressed everything u said in other reblogs and posts but

1. didn’t say anything against man-hating. im literally a man-hater. i just don’t think the basis of one’s feminism being hating men is gonna work. loving women should always come first when it comes to fighting for the rights of women

2. said nothing against having emotions. loving women is an emotion, and it’s a motivating one. didn’t say anything against hating men, once again it just shouldn’t be the root of one’s feminism. nothing wrong with it as a secondary aspect of ur feminism but when it’s all about hating men and women come second then how is that even feminism anymore

3. it honestly feels like a slap in the face how many OSA women saw that im a lesbian and then used that to act like i haven’t been abused, raped, harassed, and oppressed by men. once again, ive said nothing against hating men nor against being angry at ur oppressors and it’s honestly offensive talking to a woman w PTSD as if she doesn’t understand that trauma first hand

4. i literally meant loving women as a class… no one can say there isn’t a single woman they dislike. im constantly talking about my ex and how she abused me like it’s not like im expecting anyone to love every woman otherwise they can’t support women’s rights. but how are you gonna fight for the rights of women when u don’t love women as a class? if u don’t centre that love for women in ur activism for them?

5. u don’t understand that ask saying OSA women are the one disagreeing with me because you didn’t check and see they are in fact OSA women who are angry with me because they were recently hurt by a man and assumed i was saying they aren’t allowed to be angry at men. nowhere did i not all men or justify men or say it’s not ok to hate them.

6. “well those women aren’t feminists then” you guys really can’t read because i literally said that hating men does not a feminist make and a true feminist is centring women and loving women before anything to do with men. that’s it. and after someone repeatedly making it clear her issue is with lesbians and “ssa radfems” and using that as her basis for attacking me, the same exact person u said u agree with here, maybe don’t try to tell me this has nothing to do with homophobia and being OSA

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bisluthq · 2 years ago

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I don’t see Taylor as one person that a lot of men get obsessed with, like ofc creeps online do bc well there’s people for every thing but I don’t think men do try something with her a lot. She had a lot of boyfriends right, but they didn’t seem like they were OBSESSED with her (mostly bc most of them broke up with her after 3 months). I’m not a hater, I like her a lot actually, but I think you live in a delusional world where she’s like her own song Gold Rush. People admire her, sure they do, but in a sexy, beautiful, hot way? Don’t think so.

Let’s break down why this is a bad take:

1) Taylor didn’t have “many boyfriends” break up with her at all. Taylor has had to end most of her relationships. Even her most famous “he broke up with her” breakup wasn’t that simple. Joe called her to talk about problems he’d identified, she hung up on him, he got angry and left a voice note telling her they’re through. Neither attempted to reconcile tbh but it’s not like he was bored of her or whatever and wanted to break up. Evan Spiegel maybe broke up with her but even in his version of the story she told him “FUCK YOU EVAN” so it’s not like she was sad about it. Jake broke up the first time but she had to call it off forever. Like the VAST majority of her relationships were short because SHE had no interest in sustaining them dude.

2) If she did get broken up with a ton, idk what that would have to do with your takeaway? Like if dudes purely dated her because she’s hot then… they would break up with her super quickly because you can only fuck someone a certain amount of times before you want them to be able to sustain a convo. Like again that’s not what happened with her but if it had what in the fuck would it have to do with her being hot?

3) Considering the amount of on/off arrangements she had, songs written about her tbh, and the stuff celebs with crushes (including Prince William) have said like… ya men get obsessed with her (looks and personality wise).

4) These types of takes inevitably come from straight women (mostly), people for whom she’s just not their type and who project (but like ScarJo isn’t my type and I’m not going around saying she isn’t hot???), or people who bought into the media stuff of her as clingy and obsessive which she legit hasn’t ever been.

5) Again, I can’t make sense of “she had short relationships” being = to “no one thinks she’s hot” because that would not be supportive of your point. Like your point would be “guys treated her as a set of holes and got bored” not “they liked her for her personality” 💀💀 (they reaaaally did but like if she DID get dumped a whole lot it’d realistically be because she’s hot but annoying).

Taylor is genuinely VERY desired, very hot, and a huge catch lmao unlike a huge chunk of her fanbase which is why this projection happens. The big downside to her is her fame, her stalkers and her idiot fans.

#anons against reality tbh

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serotocin38 · 4 years ago

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As YouTubers

Shen Qingqiu: Started at age 14 playing video games and making crappy quality videos, cursing excessively, and saying very cringy things. Then disappeared without a word for over a year and suddenly deleted all his old videos. Did an entire revamp of his channel, but still does gaming. Somehow gathered an audience of kids under the age of 15. Is relatable AF. 8.3 million subscribers, but has no idea how because he literally doesn’t try. Does a 36-hour live stream and raised $200,000 for abandoned and abused pets.

Luo Binghe: Has a cooking channel with an audience made up of almost all middle-aged women and grandmas that are subscribed only to him. Makes a lot of comfort food and desserts and always brings them to his husband at the end of his videos for a rating. Seems like a sweet boy, but if anyone else is in the kitchen at the same time as him, he turns into Gordon Ramsey 2.0. Has 3k subscribers, but totally okay with that. Not after the money, just wants to feed his husband (who sometimes doesn’t bother to eat because 36-hour livestream :/).

Wei Wuxian: Daily vlogger. Clickbait titles, no shame - “I TOLD MY FAMILY I’M PREGNANT!!! SHOCKING RESPONSE!!!” 10.2 million subscribers, and has a lot of spontaneous meet-and-greets when in public places. Actually makes some pretty high-quality videos. Often jokes about himself being gay, flirts openly with men and women, but when confronted by his audience about his sexuality, is in major denial while sweating bullets. Had no idea he was a bisexual mess until his sister gently broke it to him, found out his first kiss wasn’t with a girl, nearly has a mental breakdown on camera, had his second kiss, and started dating his boyfriend all in the span of one (1) 20-minute vlog.

Lan Wangji: Had a video clip of him playing the guqin in an airport go viral. Pressured into making a channel because everyone wanted to hear (and see) more of him. Makes music tutorials and covers popular songs. Also writes and sings originals. His songs are obviously all written about one person, and he never reveals who that person is, but everyone knows (except for that one person, but now he knows too). Does collabs and duets with his family. His audience wants them to start a family band and maybe do a tour someday, but that’s too non-traditional for his family to even consider. Has a good 800k subscribers because model-like men playing the guqin and writing love songs is hard to come by.

Xie Lian: Has no real theme to his content. Often making half-serious depression jokes (and probably has it, like most of his audience). But is a big mood sometimes. Often seen making the “kill me” expression when things go wrong. Basically uploads twice a year, sometimes consecutively, sometimes 51 weeks apart. Has a total of 10 videos over the course of four years, but half a million subs. Loves disappearing from his social media for long periods of time, but also making posts at 3 AM while drunk with no context or explaination. Is an actual cinnamon bun, like he probably smells like a cinnamon bun. His only haters are people who are just angry with how unbelievably adorable he is.

Hua Cheng: Makes commentary and reaction videos. Dry, sarcastic humor that is highkey very insulting. Literally hates everyone and cannot be bothered with their bullshit. Has more haters than followers, but does not give a fuck. Super controversial and has beef with almost everyone in the YT community at some point. Destroyed a quite a lot of YT careers as well. What little followers he does have are loyal diehard fans. First saw Xie Lian when doing commentary on one of Xie Lian’s old videos and immediately fell in love. Has since then been silently stalking him on all social media and leaving creepily sweet comments on all posts. His fans have noticed obviously and a huge influx of fanart and fanfic has been produced centered around them, even though they have yet to have any interactions.

#bingqiu #wangxian #hualian #luo binghe #shen qingqiu #lan wangji #wei wuxian #hua cheng #xie lian #svsss #mdzs #tgcf #mxtx #mxtx headcanons #writing stuff

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notfromanotherworld · 4 years ago

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Students in our Women’s Studies courses protest the requirement to read and discuss articles about male violence against women. They report that they “don’t want to go around being angry all the time”

Why would women protest the examination of male violence? Such responses are clearly not logical—after all, it would be only logical to call a hideous act a hideous act, and to demand that men stop. But even though such a response is not logical, there is a way in which it makes sense— it reflects the very violence it denies— it shows that women do feel afraid.

The reader may recall that women in our Psychology of Women classes, when asked to describe times they have heard the term “woman- hater” used, omit saying it is used to refer to rapists and batterers. In fact, asked if the term might refer to such groups, the women indicate that rapists and batterers do not necessarily hate women and reject use of the term for those groups

Many students say they have never heard the term “woman-hater” used. Do these “findings” suggest a cultural reluctance to talk about and even contemplate male violence?

Despite the criminal justice system’s blindness when it comes to male violence against women (in rape, wife abuse, and sexual abuse) and its keen-sightedness in protecting men’s rights (in divorce actions, right to pornography, and so on), many women believe social myths that flatter men. These myths state that men (having women’s interests at heart) will protect women’s rights; that not every man is a woman-hater (though every man profits from misogyny, and it is unheard-of for a man to decline a job he obtained because of male privilege or lack of equal access); and that violent men are sick and thus qualitatively different from other men (though rapists, for example, have not been found to differ psychologically from non-rapists).

- Dee L. R. Graham, “Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men’s Violence, and Women’s Lives”

Women in general cling to the dream that men care about us and will protect us from violence. Denial is so strong that women believe that men are protecting us—we forget from whom—even as they oppress women. Mae West captured this irony in her famous remark, “Funny, every man I meet wants to protect me. I can’t figure out what from ” Females tend to deny that male intimates—the group most likely to physically violate women—are dangerous. In fact, women are likely to see male intimates as “loving” and “wonderful” while displacing our fear onto male strangers and our anger onto safer targets: ourselves, other women, and children.

The fact that chance determines which individual woman is violated at any given time (“she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time”, as rapists remind us) is threatening to women, making us feel we have little control over whether and when we might be victimized. The theory of defensive attributions asserts that such threat of victimization is often defended against at an unconscious level, so that women (potential victims) need never consciously acknowledge the extent to which we are vulnerable. Research suggests such defensive attributions are especially likely if the consequences of victimization are severe. Women defend against such threats by telling ourselves that we are not like the victim (“I’m not young like her”) and by blaming the victim for her or his victimization (“she shouldn’t have dressed like that,” “she shouldn’t have been out so late by herself” ).

The reader will recognize that such attributions suggest women are experiencing the threat of victimization ourselves. It is aversive and demeaning to define oneself as a victim. Blaming oneself for one’s victimization may be one way to avoid defining oneself as a victim. Self-blame and other victim-coping strategies permit individuals to deny victimization and to preserve their self-esteem. One such strategy involves redefining the victimizing event so that its stressful or threatening qualities are minimized.

When victimization cannot be denied, victims may reevaluate them selves in ways that are self-enhancing. Taylor, Wood, and Lichtman (1983) identified five such mechanisms of selective evaluation:

(1) “downward comparisons,” that is, comparing oneself with others who are less fortunate (e.g., minimizing the extent to which fear of male violence affects one’s life by saying one has never been sexually abused or battered);

(2) selective focusing on attributes that make one appear to be advantaged;

(3) creating worse-ease scenarios (“I may be a woman but at least I’m not a [fill in the blank] woman”);

(4) identifying benefits from the victimizing experience (“Being a woman has made me more sensitive and empathic to others”); and

(5) creating nonexistent normative standards that make one’s own adjustment appear extraordinary (“Compared to most women, I have achieved a great deal”). At one time or another, probably all women have used one or more of these strategies to cope with victimization.

- (M. D. Smith 1988), (Shaver 1970; Walster 1966), (Burger 1981; Walster 1966), (Shaver 1970; Walster 1966), (Taylor, Wood, and Lichtman 1983), (JanofF-Bulman and Frieze 1983)*, Dee L. R. Graham, “Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men’s Violence, and Women’s Lives”

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rantingaboutprejudice · 4 years ago

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it me!

Heya folks! This is my secondary blog for discussing topics such as racism, feminism and sexism, social justice and injustice, lgbtq+ rights, and the shitstorm that is america.

(My primary is multifandom and writing, so. I decided I wanted to keep the two separate.)

Constructive criticism on my posts is totally accepted!! If I say something offensive on accident, PLEASE let me know. I’m white, so, you know, if I mess up I need to listen. Just. Be nice. Pls. I really am trying my best, and I will listen and take any comments seriously.

But, on that note, if anyone comments/messages me anything that is hateful/prejudiced/racist/sexist/homophobic/etc., I’m just going to block you immediately.

Pronouns: They/them

Nickname: I’d prefer if people called me “R” on this blog, since it’s my first initial.

16 y/o, and taking medical leave from junior year in high school because my mental health is bad

Obligatory blog forewarning: I swear WAY too much.

I Fucking Hate America. I am an american.

Random Stuff About Me, if You’re Interested

Non-binary agender (but AFAB and therefore subject to 99% of the same sexist bullshit as women, since society perceives me as one. Literally the only time I remotely identify as female is when I’m being a raging feminist.)

On that note, I am a perpetually angry feminist. I am also perpetually angry at Trump, his supporters, and anyone else who thinks people should be prosecuted/harmed or are inferior for being black/non-white/Muslim/queer/trans/female/etc.

I normally don’t bother with proper grammar, except for long posts as I believe it makes them easier to digest (and most of my posts on this blog accidentally turn long)

I’m a total academic nerd except I hate american history because it gets very boring very quickly seeing as there isn’t very much of it

Life-long chronic health conditions. (Do not get me started on how determined literally all public american systems are to fuck over people with health issues. I’ve spent my whole life fighting my body and since first grade I’ve had to fight my teachers and doctors to get what I need too, and it’s a universal experience.)

I’m probably the only teenager you’ll ever find on Tumblr who regularly sleeps 8 to 10 hours and eats 6 to 8 servings of produce a day. Reason? I get migraines if I don’t. (I mean, I get them anyway, but they’re worse if I don’t look after my body. So.)

ADHD, OCD symptoms including severe intrusive thoughts, chronic depression for 5-6 years, anxiety for 3. Still kicking just to spite the world.

I write fiction (novel and short-story style) in my spare time. I got halfway through an original novel and then had to start over because I messed up pacing and it was pretty much just “okay maybe some of the scenes are reusable but the draft itself just need to be restarted.”

As mentioned above, I’m an american america hater. I plan to go to college and later live in Canada, where people believe in basic politeness. And gun control.

Header BG Image; text added with Adobe Illustrator 2021. Icon made from scratch in Adobe Illustrator 2021.

#introduction #about me #blog introduction

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sayruq · 5 years ago

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1. The way people vilified Sansa for killing her rapist or not being nice to Creepyfinger and Tyrion when she was literally his child bride confirm me that one of the reasons Cersei is so hated is because of her anger and her failure to meet the standards of 'good victimhood', the dehumanizing concept of women’s pain and how they respond to it being more of an insight into their moral character and goodness rather than how they were wronged.

2. It’s “evil” for a female character to respond to abuse and rape like Cersei does by you know, loathing and cheating on and then killing her husband, it’s raw and ugly, she virulently hates men and the patriarchy, but she should have kept her mouth shut and endured it (she literally endure Robert’s violence for decades !), and she should have forgive him and forgive Tywin.

3. She’s also a MAJOR ‘wound dweller’, fixating on the differences between how her and Jaime were treated, on her father’s neglect, on Robert and his abuse and infidelity and dishonoring her, and that’s a major no-no in our society which is fine with femininity as long as it’s non-threatening, accommodating and sexy but condemns it when it gets bitter and emotional and attacks the egos of men.

4. The wounded woman is voyeuristic because she’s subdued, and it kills the narrative when she dares to lash out and be angry at how she’s treated or is flat out aware of its wrongness. Victims arent always fairy dust and butterflies, they can be mean, and harsh and hurt so badly, because in real life, women are that way and they should be allowed to respond in that way because it’s not our responsibility to serve as moral compasses or nurses to people who hurt us.

5. But the thing with Sansa is that…she’s a good person! I can’t believe we’re still arguing about this point. These so-called Sansa stans who are just liars and haters in disguise and mysognistic creeps fetishize and romantizes so-called goodness, victimhood and a lack of agency, and worst of all, sexual purity. They like the pretty girl in a cage that can be easily controlled and manipulated and bashed around (metaphorically and physically), not the woman she becomes.

6. A woman who stand up for herself and has the agency to tell her abusers, pedos and an invader to fuck off. Newsflash freaks, in many occasions, Sansa was ‘sweet’ and ‘quiet’ out of fear of being abused and/or killed because she was literally a hostage. They celebrate Arya or Daenerys killing their enemies but god forbid Sansa kill her husband who repeatedly raped and beat her or isn’t nice to an incel who sold her to a psychopath or is wary of an imperialist with WMD.

7. Of course, this only makes sense if you consider her an actual character with her own goals, a woman who fight for freedom and independance, instead of a plot device aka being the rehabilitation center of ugly, violent grown men who have abused or absolutely terrified her. Just say you hate women and go. Anyway, I’m so glad Sandor and Creepyfinger are fucking dead and I very much doubt she will see Tyrion again.

Not one lie told. Sansa and Cersei can’t be sexualised and they’re not Good Victims because they fight back, they refuse to spend the rest of their lives being nurturers to the men in their lives and they hate just as much as they love. Daenerys is comparison fell in love with rapist and because of that she isn’t considered ‘used goods’ like Sansa and Cersei are, she gained power for the first time through Drogo instead of snatching it from him. Margaery is smart without a doubt but she’s considered smarter than Sansa and Cersei because she played the game in ways the audience is comfortable and her only rival is a woman.

#Sansa Stark #cersei lannister #rape tw #game of thrones #Anonymous

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duhragonball · 5 years ago

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On “Araki Forgot”

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We were watching these videos before a stream on Kast. (I think @semercury was the one who pulled them up). I’ve only been in the JoJo fandom for about three years, but I learned about the “Araki Forgot” joke very early in, and it was nice to see Hamon Beat take the time to sort through all the supposed plot holes in JJBA. We didn’t get through the Part 6 video that night, but I watched it later on and I think it’s my favorite, because this one gets to the heart of the matter. The video is full of spoilers, though, so I’ll just make my point below.

Hamon Beat says Part 6 is the “most hated” JoJo arc in the western fandom, and he suspects that this has led to a vicious cycle where the haters didn’t pay attention while they read it, and then they turn around and complain about “plot holes” that don’t actually exist. For example, they say “Araki forgot” that Jolyne should have gotten her Stand back in the late 80′s, just like Holly and Josuke and Giorno, except Jolyne didn’t exist in the 1980′s. Stone Ocean starts in 2011, and she was only 19 years old. This is clearly stated in the text of the story.

The entire video is full of examples like this, and I think it becomes clear that a lot of fans are saying “Araki forgot” when they should actually be saying “I forgot” or “I didn’t understand.” I find myself in the latter category when it comes to Parts 6 and 7, because I often had trouble keeping up with all the nutty ideas that were being thrown around. But I try to keep an even temper with this stuff, because I tend to trust that the author knows what they’re doing, even if it doesn’t seem to make sense.

In particular, this video debunks the old fan theory that Annasui’s gender was changed after his first appearance, due to editorial pressure or artistic whim. I always liked that theory, because the whole thing with Annasui seemed odd and it never came up again in the story, and I liked having a possible explanation better than none at all. But Hamon Beat points out that there’s zero evidence for any of it, and Annasui’s transformation could easily be explained by his Stand ability, since he alters his appearance a second time later in the story. Hamon Beat further speculates that Annasui may have only assumed female form so he could infiltrate the women’s wing of the prison more easily, allowing him to keep an eye on Jolyne, since he enters the story already aware of who she is. This may only be another fan theory, but it’s a lot less extraordinary than the first. It plays into Annasui’s character a lot better.

My impression is that “Araki forgot” started out as a joke, an then it became an exercise for fans to try to find as many discontinuities in the story as possible, then blame them on the author. The problem is that doing this encourages readers to seek out flaws where they may not exist, and to ignore any possible explanation for why they may not be flaws at all.

I think Araki sort of invites this sort of criticism with the way he introduces new characters. Annasui first appearing as a woman is a perfect example. Oftentimes new Stand Users are introduced in very mysterious or confusing ways. You might see a demonstration of their powers, but it’s just a small taste of what they can do, and oftentimes that initial demonstration doesn’t seem to line up with their full powers. Like in Part 3, we first meet Kakyoin while he’s painting a picture, and it seems like the painting has something to do with his Stand ability, but as Hamon Beat points out, this is merely a coincidence. He’s just doing two things at once, and the brush strokes happen to to take place while the Stand does its thing. Annasui can probably make himself look like a woman whenever he wants, but he never needs to do it again in the story, so he never does it, which leads fans to think it was a blooper the first time he did it.

Nevertheless, I think most of the problem lies with western fans, who have no doubt been used to reading western comic books, where continuity is either pitch perfect or a garbled mess, with little in between. For example, I’ve been reading the 1992 DC Comics crossover “Eclipso: The Darkness Within”. The concept back then was to do this multipart story running through the annuals for 18 different series. So like, the Superman annual for 1992 was one chapter, and then the Batman annual is another chapter, and so on. Eclipso was the bad guy, and his powers were tweaked to support this premise. He’s a demon who lives on the moon, and he has all these black diamonds on Earth, and if someone holds a black diamond while they’re angry, he can possess that person and control their body. So he could interact with multiple groups of characters without having to run back and forth from one city to the next.

The problem is that you don’t have one writer handling the entire thing. Each annual had its own creative team, and groups of annuals were under separate editorial departments, so it’s only a matter of time before a few mistakes pop up. Here’s an example:

In Justice League: America Annual #5, Superman asks Wonder Woman to help the League deal with the Eclipso crisis. At first, she declines, but then she has a run-in with a possessed cop, and sees for herself just how dangerous Eclipso is. She returns to help the League, but they end up fighting one of their possessed teammates and don’t really get very far.

But a few chapters later, we get to Wonder Woman Annual #3, which sees Wonder Woman meet the White Magician. His goal is to trick Diana into getting possessed by Eclipso for some magical ritual he has in mind. So part of his plan is to give Diana a black diamond, so that she’ll have it on her when she eventually gets angry enough for the possession to happen.

It’s a little odd that she never suspects the black diamond in this second story, since she had a pretty good demonstration of another black diamond’s powers in the first. You can rationalize this by saying she didn’t think the White Magician’s diamond was the same, but that seems pretty weak. Also, why isn’t she still helping the JLA?

If it had been one writer handling both of these annuals, this could have easily been avoided, but that’s not how DC Comics works. Dan Jurgens wrote the JLA annual, and William Messner-Loebs handled the Wonder Woman story. Chances are, both scripts were written around the same time, and edited by different people, and by the time anyone noticed the mistake, it was too late to do anything about it. I guess the best solution would have been for Jurgens to use a different guest star, someone who wouldn’t be showing up again in their own solo book. But as plot holes go, it’s pretty tame for comic books.

So I think that western audiences have gotten so used to this sort of thing that they fail to appreciate what it means for JJBA to be written by the same guy for over 30 years. Sure, Araki could make a mistake from time to time, but he also created all of the characters. How can someone accuse him of forgetting how Hamon works when he invented Hamon? How can you say the Dio flashbacks in Part 6 are out-of-character with the Dio in Part 3, when the same guy wrote both parts?

The far simpler explanation is that maybe there’s other details in play here, which may be things that the reader forgot about, or never considered in the first place. Even the Wonder Woman example I mentioned has some room for explanation. Maybe it’s not a discontinuity at all, and the point here is that Diana is harder to beat in a combat situation, but is vulnerable to quieter, subtler deceptions in a peaceful moment. She didn’t notice the similarity in the diamonds because she’s not a trained observer like Batman. And so on. If I can do that for a story shared among a dozen writers, how much easier must it be for a single writer like Araki? But I guess that’s an easy enough thing to overlook.

#jojo's bizarre adventure #spoilers #stone ocean #eclipso: the darkness within #the bigger plot hole in eclipso is that sometimes his victims have to satisfy their personal grudge before eclipso can control their bodies #but sometimes he's in the driver's seat immediately #but he's more of a plot device than a chracter in some of these stories so it's not worth worrying about #that's probably the bigger moral here #there's all sorts of stories that may be riddled with plot holes or not #but they never get noticed because they aren't popular enough to get dissected to that extent #the strength of jjba is that it's this big complex thing that's worth exploring and analyzing #and that's why so many people do it #and why too many of them do it half-assed

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greensconnor · 5 years ago

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i’m asking about your dragon age characters

molly i would KILL for u im ur personal hitman now

anyway i said my city now because the entire bioware writing team sucks shit xoxo and i’m so much smarter than all of them but also fully incapable of having a normal amount of ocs for anything (see: the time i made 20 rwby ocs in less than two weeks) so i have. five worldstates here r some assorted thoughts

uhhh so the worldstates r as follows

eira mahariel (two-handed berserk/champ spec), rhett hawke (two-handed berserk spec), alas lavellan (mage knight enchanter spec), romanced alistair/fenris/dorian respectively

shiv tabris (dual wield duelist/assassin spec), radella “rads” hawke (mage spirit healer spec), kat adaar (two-handed reaver spec), romanced morrigan/isabela/cassandra respectively because im a pc gamer and i think i should be able to date whatever video game woman i like because im infinitely better than cishet men

this world state said yeah i respect mens rights. mens rights to shut the fuck up

twins bronson (sword/shield reaver spec) & bryant cousland (archer ranger spec), carmine hawke (archer assassin spec), syracuse trevelyan (dual wield tempest spec), romanced zevran/anora/josephine/bull. if ur wondering how that works my city now and the warden, hawke and the inquisitor should all meet and so they do because i Said So

riva amell (mage arcane warrior/battlemage spec), graham “gray” hawke (mage force spec), hellathen “hela” lavellan (archer assassin spec); romanced cullen/anders and later blackwall because hawke only likes men who will break his heart. hela doesn’t have a romance because she’s literally 20. who let her lead the inquisition (me it was me). also it should be noted the version of cullen i have in my head only vaguely resembles actual cullen because i write better than dragon age writers ever could and i gave him an Actual Cohesive Narrative and he gets bullied relentlessly for being scrawnier than his mage boyfriend

malien “mal” surana (mage spirit healer/keeper spec), jules hawke (sword/shield reaver spec), ash adaar (mage rift spec), romanced leliana/merrill/krem because i should have been able to kiss krem and its a Crime that i am not allowed to

knight enchanter is a Very op specialization and by Very op i mean it makes a mage with their built-in low constitution stats able to solo the biggest baddest dragon in the game on nightmare mode in under five minutes so like. alas lavellan fist fights dragons for fun send tweet

i think lavellans should be able to hit ppl with bricks for all the shit they endure. thus solas gets pranked by mahariel and alas by which i mean they just tip buckets of water onto him from the rookery

kat might be my only competent inquisitor but she did also try to knock out the right hand of the divine and attempt to gap even tho there’s fucky magic burning up her hand so does she have a brain cell? you decide

also its fantasy land and i do what i want so kat has blue/gold sectoral heterochromia

gray “mage rights” hawke is best friends with fenris which surprises literally everyone. their friendship started because they got into a fist fight and then they were like okay i respect u now. hawke is like hey fenris give me ur sword i have a fun trick to show u [uses his sword as a foci to zap carver in the ass with lightning]

i am Always thinking abt like how cullen could have been one man anti-chantry propaganda machine if he hadn’t so blatantly been shoehorned into every game past origins so anyway bioware forgot about a wholeass moon i can write what i like. [holds up cullen by the scruff of his stupid armor] not only are you bisexual you are also a bottom

i also Hate the whole uwu mage haters get fixed by romancing a mage

unlocked secret dialogue option where my inquisitors verbally cuss out dorian’s dad instead of whatever sympathetic narrative the writers were going for cuz its bullshit.

riva is a showoff and a Menace about being as good as he is because he unabashedly loves being a mage and hes like oooh look at me im sexy i dont need to use my hands to cast magic because i’m just that good ;)) and you know what. hes right.

gray, on the other hand, does Not want to be mage. he wants to be a druffalo farmer and retire in the hinterlands and be left the fuck alone. unfortunately he is gay and has one brain cell and terrible, terrible taste in men. ribbed relentlessly for this by riva (altho does he have room to talk hes been hung up on cullen since he was like 13)

shiv is trans n kieran is the result of doing the dark ritual with her wife and he looks a Lot like shiv (dark skin pointed ears, shock-white hair) and morrigan always just Assumed she dyed it or did something magic with it so seeing their kid come out like that was a WEIRD time for her

leliana almost Murdered by cassandra in worldstate 5 because the warden is Actually There The Whole Time, but its been 10 years, mal’s cut off all her hair and gotten full facial tattoos and she’s like “no one will know its me its fine” and she’s right. she gets away with it. only cullen like, Knows, because he knew her before the blight but he doesnt have a death wish n he like. will Not piss her off

shes dalish by birth n she was stolen from her clan by templars and thus is vehemently anti-circle and anti-chantry in general

uhhh the vallaslin (elf face tattoos) of my 4 dalish characters are:

eira = ghilan’nain (chose em cuz shes rlly interested in the navigation aspect of the goddess)

alas = falon’din (god of the dead n he picked them because he’s Also the god of fortune and alas is like tee hee fun but also he can and will kill u if u fuck with him so yk its fitting)

hela = june (god of the craft bc she likes to Make things but june is also the god who taught the elves 2 hunt and hela is. a hunter.)

mal = elgar’nan (allfather/god of vengeance bc. she is Vengeful. she is Angry. but yk fucking with shem politics and fucking their divine is like. mal may have little a retribution. as a treat.) yes she has the full half-face solid colour tattoo she does NOT fuck around.

bronson and bryant r not genetically identical but they Look similar enough 2 anyone who doesn’t know them well enough 2 play spot the distance. anora and bronson think this is a super fun game to play, especially when nobles realize they’ve swapped out the king but they’re too nervous to say anything

eira mahariel has two hands. one is for holding hands with alistair and the other is for throttling elven gods, apparently. she’s killed one before so solas she’s coming for your bitch ass next. watch urself.

speaking of eira and alistair are married thru dalish tradition and humans don’t recognize it n alistair loves 2 re-propose to her with random things. he’ll just pick up like. a bit of cheese and be like “marry me ;)” and she’s like GASP but whatever will the chantry say!!!! all of their friends r sick of them

“vhenan if you love me bring me a sword” “you think i could do better than a sword made out of space rock?” “:)”

eira is my youngest hero at 18 at the start of her game and kat is my oldest at 32 at the start of her game.

none of my hawkes are under six foot. rhett is the tallest (6′8″) and rads is the shortest (6′2″).

syracuse trevelyan would have been the Perfect inquisitor if he were not a pretty boy himbo and a gay bastard who does Most Things just to spite his parents.

[corypheus pointing at syracuse’s visage in his crystal orb thingo] i want that twink obliterated

i love the companions from older games return thing i truly do so i make it a point for Every companion to return in inquisition so the gang rlly is all here because i am a Slutte for found family

i lie in my keep worldstates because i dont want to choose between hawke and alistair during here lies the abyss but i never make him king and every time i play inquisition and cole has the wicked grace line it makes me Scream. alistair baby im so sorry i did this to you but i didnt actually do this to you

yes this is my everyone lives au but like. all the time. i have never left hawke in the fade and i do not intend to.

fuck whatever nonsense about wardens not being able 2 have kids. by sheer divine power (me) anora and bryant have three daughters; eleanor, sabina & cecelia n both bronson and zevran make Excellent uncles because i think anora deserves good things because i’m tired of bioware being like women bad, actually,

so like most of the time i have the warden & hawke turning up after the move to skyhold n then staying on, with the exception of bryant, carmine & mal. mal is as mentioned previously just There the whole time with her girlfriend. bryant steps in as king of ferelden w/ interests in closing the big hole in the sky spewing demons in2 his kingdom yk. carmine shows up because she wants to help & she wants protection for bethany but she outright says she’d rather die than be inquisitor so cassandra is shit out of luck.

“CHANGE HER MIND VARRIC” “she once doubled down on insisting amaranth was a shade of blue because she didn’t want to admit to being wrong. no one’s changing her mind seeker”

alas is the middle child of eight and is thus very good with children and also bossing around people older than him. 2 of his older siblings come to the inquisition when stuff in wycome has been settled

i left ash with the basic canon background with Some variation (he grew up under the qun and left of his own free will when his magic was discovered n he realized he couldn’t take living as a saarebas

kat on the other hand was raised tal-vashoth and has bounced around basically all over thedas and leads her own merc company when the conclave blows up. she also speaks multiple languages. is there a language she doesn’t speak? probably not

just realized how long this got so im gonna like. stop my general rambling now but lmao yeah theres some basics. waves hands.

#sol.txt #sol.orig #long post #late night followers im SO sorry for this #but also like.#i love them so yall just have 2 cope w/ it #no thoughts head dragon age #peonydarling

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