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7/20/23
I got around to reading Dragon Ball and DBZ for the first time recently. Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta are my faves. I wish we saw more of them before they died.
#Raditz#Nappa#Vegeta#dbz#Not necessarily a 'I wish they were redeemed' thing#just like#these are space real estate agents selling entire planets to other races#all the while the 3 of them are at each others throats#while simulatanously having the worst job imagineable and being tormented endlessly by the rest of the freeza force#and despite hating eachother they were all each other had#The possibilities of what planets and people they saw or hardships they went through together is literally endless#And their experiences are unique to them#So I wish we saw more of them before they invaded earth#I'm also surprised Vegeta never thinks about or even mentions raditz or nappa after their deaths#I know he hated them but damn#dude did not spare a second of his time ever thinking of them or his past ever againššš#You may have reformed but I will never forget the atrocities you committed Vegeta#my art#2023#its so late gn
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Their actual first meeting in the Kyoshi Warriors AU!
Katara had her Oh moment before exchanging a word with Jian Li, and while she gets over it in time (or, at least, convinces herself that she's not embarrassed by her initial reaction to him) this quasi-interaction haunts her for the first couple of days of their stay in Kyoshi Island.
It's just not fair that the place is full of gorgeous people! Or that he's not only beautiful, but also kind and awkward and respectful and dorky andāoh, Laāshe's in trouble.
#zutara#atla#zuko#avatar the last airbender#katara#atla fanart#zutara au#prince zuko#atla art#kyoshi warrior ursa au#kyoshi warrior zuko#kyoshi warriors au#kyoshi warriors#kyoshi island#zuko x katara#katara x zuko#katara art#katara fanart#katara of the southern water tribe#zutara fanart#zutara art#Me: damn I hate doing backgrounds *proceeds to draw the most detailed and complicated backgrounds ever*#Why do I do this to myself. Whyyyyyy#Anyway I think Katara having her āoh no he's hotā moment before actually meeting the guy is the funniest thing ever#If only because that's the general reaction Zuko gets from about 90% of the people they meet in this AU#Katara doesn't have an instant crush actually. And neither does he. She just knows he's gorgeous and isn't afraid to tell him so once she...#...notices that he's got self-esteem issues but manages to hide them with fake confidence#Then it's all Katara showering Jian Li with genuine praise and our boy spluttering and blushing like a schoolgirl with a crush for hours#But it's okay. He turns the tables on her.#Zuko as Jian Li
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Vanha Kauppahalli date: en full, a 2 minute 50 second masterpiece...
Primetime Panthers | 11.6.24 (x)
#aleksander barkov#matthew tkachuk#florida panthers#2425#the global series is a gift#āalright talk to me what do we got?ā with the camera following behind them makes it seems like theyre spies doing reconnaissance#the start to a thriller where they got sent to finland stake out for intelligence#maffhew not even waiting for sasha to answer before hes asks about chocolate#āthe purple one you always bringā maffhew has been charmed by sashas leaving choco in stalls as gifts when he comes back from finland huh#you can tell he says that with depravity of a man who finally realises he doesnt need to rely on his supplier he can get it himself now#āuh oh [laughs] okay... what is this?ā maffhew was not prepared for all the food to already be ready for him he just hopped off a plane and#expected to have to wait more and did not and absolutely does not trust the situation in the same way you get romantic candlelit-dinnered#and youre like alright whats all this then whats your angle what are you doing#āthis is salmon and rye bread šā ā(with the eagerness to prove hes smart and engaged) so is that šā ā(charmed) and so is that š«±ā#āill try your favourite firstā GURL RELAX OKAY SETTLE DOWN YOURE IN A NEW COUNTRY JUST CHILL MAN#āsalmon and rye breadāthats the famous one š¤ā [sasha nodding along because he has to reassure maffhew but also hes in the middle of eating]#maffhew choosing the most inopportune time and you can TELL sasha is like [swallows quickly] because he wants to answer but also BIG BITE#āherringā āherrin' š¤ ?ā āeating all this her-RINGā no notes#āis this just another salmon on rye breadā he says with hope because he likes salmon but also disappointment (he wants to try more foods)#ādifferent salmon? smoked?ā the amount of questions hes askijg because hes so terribly engaged he wants to know and sashas like [shrug]#he has to get an A+ in experiencing finland which is normal to want and possible to achieve#āi still love your country thoughā and sasha explodes into the mirthful grin ive seen in my life like he just won the damn jackpot#he speaks at 100 mph like please take a deep breath sweetheart youre excitement is papable but PLEASE#THE WAY HE GETS SO UNSURE WHEN HE MENTIONS BARKY HATES THAT FOOD WHEN HE LIKED IT SO MUCH#MAFFHEW YOU CAN GET A PASSING GRADE IN EXPERIENCING FINLAND IF YOU STICK TO YOUR GUNS I PROMISE#SASHA HELP A GUY OUT HERE MAN THROW HIM A BONE#SASHA ONLY LAUGHS AS MAFFHEW THROWS HIMSELF INTO A TIZZY OVER THIS YOU ARE SOOOOOO#the chuckle when sasha mentions he had runebergin torttu in school... id like to know what was funny there#we call out sasha for being too lovesick and laughing at all of maffhews ājokesā BUT HES JUST AS BAD???#āwhat the hell do i do with this thing?ā MAFFHEW HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN MERENGUE IN YOUR LIFE???
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SAID HE LIKES CRAZY GIRLS,
BUT HE HATES WHEN I ACT CRAZY,
IT TAKES TWO TO TOXIC!
FINALLY!!! Finished these pics of jinx Iāve been working on!!!!! HOLY SHIT, these took so longā¦. But finallyā¦ theyāre doneā¦ pls enjoy this art of my beautiful princess w a disorder. Featuring alternate colors for the big pic and also a closeup! Cuz I rlly like how both the lines and coloring on her face turned outā¦ like the pink gradients w her eyeā¦ her deer in headlights expression,, like uve just startled a raccoon digging thru ur trashcan and r two seconds away from getting mauled.. m proud of it!
#arcane#league of legends#jinx#jinx arcane#arcane jinx#doodles#hate and love how hardcore I relate to jinxā¦#little sisters w dependency issues.. + a whole lot of other issues#anyway the āheā in the ācrazy girlā lyrics is in my mind referring to both vi and silco lol#Iām sORRY! I keep seeing ppl hardcore pitting these 2 bad bitches against each other#and itās likeā¦ silco is objectively. morally worse than vi.. vi is not like. a ruthless crime lord#vi IS 100% trying her best and loves her sister. but she still screwed up w jinx#and silco ALSO truly loves jinx. but also screwed up by fucking. trauma bonding w her ghgh-#like.. silco is too close. heās like. yes go apeshit jinx I support and love you and understand u no matter what fucked up shit u do.#were the same. and thatās beautiful!!! I love how supportive he isā¦#but its like.. silcos too close. he just became a new person for jinx to glomp onto and base her self esteem around after vi left#and he doesnāt manipulate that on purpose but. he DOES effect that girls mental state. cuz he needs her too#meanwhile vi is too far awayā¦ she thinks she knows who jinx is. but jinx has changedā¦ time marches forward. sheās not that little girl#anymore#and nOW! after the finale jinx has NOBODY TO BE CODEPENDENT W..#her mental state has always been so tied up in how the ppl she puts on pedestals view her#and now thereās no pedestal anymore. she knocked down the statues. sheās aloneā¦#itās interestingā¦.#anyway Iām not trying to say vi is as bad as silco at ALL. just that sheās an equally important building block in jinxās mind#that has made her into the fucked up lil person she is today. and I think thatās neat.#lol anyway! Iām hyped for season 2ā¦.#aLSO GOD DAMN THIS GIRLS OUTFIT IS COMPLICATED. WHY DO U GOT SO MANY BITS N BOBS JINX??? I mean I get it accessories rock.#but u take so much time to draw ghfhg- require so much brainpower#aLSO ADDENDUM. while silco is objectively morally worse than vi his relationship w jinx is genuinely. like. makes me emotional ghgh-#its not perfect. or healthy. butā¦ itās. the both of them. being seen. and accepted. and loved and understood.. and I love that shit.
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Thinking about punk herstory again...
#vivenne westwood#johnny rotten#the damned#new york dolls#malcolm mclaren#adam ant#this is a niche meme for my fellow punk historians#I've just been obsessed with punk history recently because ive been reading a book about goth history#and ive seen a few original punks#and just been consuming a lot of old punk and goth#Malcolm McLaren fascinates me because hes such a prick i cant believe hes fucked over so many bands#hes like grunkle stan if he was a punk manager#for context#johnny rotten hates him because he mismanaged them and wouldnt pay them and started piL in retaliation#adam ant asked him to make him a really big pop star and after a few months kicked adam out of his own band š#got the new York dolls to preform in a comminist get up which casused so much controversy they disbanded#and got everyone to turn against the damned and poser shamed them because he was pissed that they made a record before sex pistols#im sure u all know about how he and vivenne Westwood ran their punk clothing line Sex and managed and dressed all their bands#then they went rockabilly (every punk has a rockabilly era)#then it was sex#and after punk they liked pirates and rebranded to Worlds end and basically made new romantic fashion
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šŗLogan HOWLettšŗ
#dont get me wrong#i love the little meow meow energy#but we all know logans a big puppy#as much as he trys to act as if he hates being with others#he NEEDS a pack#also someone definitely did some research on wolf/animal body language for this#that way he stright befriended the wolves was pretty damn precious#exposing his belly and all#telling them hes no threat#being adopted by them#hes such a good boy#logan howlett#james howlett#wolverine#hugh jackman
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Whenever ppl imply Damian would be homophobic I just kinda assume they're either new to comics or have some internal biases to work out cause I don't know who they're talking about but it isn't my boy Damian ultimate-over-invested-ally Wayne
#not mr showed up to a enbys house at midnight to teach them how to deck a transphobe#not mr had to be physically restrained from decking the transphobe himself by jon#you could not PAY that boy to stay away from pride comics be fr#just know he hated when Tim came out cause he was like dammit now I respect smth about Drake#tim: do you have a problem with me being bi? damian: you being bi is the only thing ive ever respected about you#my boy shows up in pride anthologies more often than like any of the comfirmed queer characters put some respect on his name#he is not helping ppl come out and reconnect left right and center just for yall to imply he'd be a homophobe#he is leading the damn parade#slightlyslothspeaks#batfam#damian wayne#no one does it like him
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you know it's bad when i read svsss and tgcf, stories about just two guys falling in love and getting together, and think, "god i wish i were in between them."
gay little domestic cottage core life with binghe and qingqiu? please and thank you. being sandwiched by hua cheng and xie lian, two pretty men who are hundreds of years old? i am blushing, kicking my feet and giggling
and again, it's not even that i would want only one of them. like in both of the relationships, the two love each other too much to the point it'd feel wrong if they were separated! it wouldn't feel complete, so you gotta be with both of them!
but that's the thing; i just?? i feel so incredibly guilty whenever i think about being loved by these mxtx couples??? like it's so stupid but i feel like i'm intruding in on something and it's like, everyone else seems to just want them together only, not wanna be with them. like it's fuckin taboo or whatever
i feel like with any other character from any other media it'd be fine to simp for and write/read x readers of them, but when it comes to these books, it's off limits! no way, what are you, crazy? yes, yes i'm unhinged and desperately want their love and affection simultaneously. i want to be in a happy little poly relationship with these overpowered beautiful men with long hair.
i can't be the only guy or whoever to feel this way?? to wanna be kissed by these characters? sandwiched?? i have two hands for christ sake and they all look so happy together and im just like "lord i wanna be with them so much". someone tell me i'm not alone cmon <\3
#okay i havent read mdzs yet but i'll probably feel the same way#god i just wanna be in between shen qingqiu and binghe or hua cheng and xie lian please please#im sad im queer and im ready for a gay poly relationship with these mfs#i love them all#i remember seeing some post where it was like 'hua cheng x fem reader headcanons'#and i was like 'huh thats interesting. not fem but i'll check it out bc ive never rlly seen anything like that'#and then it was like 'he'd leave you for xie lian' and it was fucking hilarious actually#but then i saw the comments on that post and they were all like 'omg i was about to unfollow and block you' 'thank god' etc#and i was just like#'damn?? do people really not like this type of stuff when it comes to danmei novels or smth?'#i don't know if it was just bc it said fem reader or bc yk it's danmei and hua cheng and xie lian are very much in love and happy#but it lowkey kinda got me self conscious lmao and i was hella feeling bad#also no hate to that poster or those commenters im just a lonely queer man#'he would leave you for xie lian' was fucking brutal though i laughed my ass off at thag KAHSNZJ#please i swear i wont stand out too much i can fit in i have long luxurious hair too let me show you my hair care routine guys </3#svsss#mxtx svsss#luo binghe#bingqiu#tgcf#heavens official blessing#mxtx tgcf#mxtx novels#mxtx characters#hua cheng#xie lian#hualian#shen qingqiu#the scum villain's self saving system
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ermmm SPA DAYY ššš with the besties (@thelone-copper @clownsuu)
#Colt pretends he hates it#we all know he loves a makeover š¤šŖšŖšŖ#I guess this is in Ashtonās room??#dunno where they got the lawn chairs but I guess they stole them from home depot or some shit#they slayed tho#fr fr#I rushed this so badly omgggg#gyad damn#anyways Ashton would totally guilt trip Colt into doing dumb shit with them#real#as a kid Ashton was terrified of Robbie#Now they chill :)#the goobers#ashton#mob ashton#colt cattlemen#mob colt cattlemen#robbie robs#mobbie robbie#welcome home oc robbie#welcome home#welcome home oc#welcome home puppet show#welcome home mob au#welcome home au#welcome home art#welcome home fandom#welcome home fanart#slay#ashchoo
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Gotta love when folks write Superman incredibly anti-clone even though he had good reason in the beginning to Not Like Superboy (HES A WINDOW INTO WHAT CLARK WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHOUT THE KENTS) and decide that forever on heāll be spiteful towards clones even though he literally Does Not Care if youāre a clone unless youāre Superboy.
#IF YOU LIKE THIS CHARACTERIZATION IGNORE ME BUT I GOTTA VENT#bones speaks#bones writes in the tags#sometimes I wanna bash my head into a wall. SUPERMAN IS INHERENTLY A GOOD PERSON IN EVERY WAY KON EL IS JUST A TERRIFYING REALIZATION-#OF WHAT HEāD BE WITHOUT A LOVING CARING AND NURTURING FAMILY! HE DIDNT LIKE KON BECAUSE HE WAS SCARED)#RAGGGGHHHHH#for the love of god I know itās an easy way for Danny to hate Superman (SUPERMAN ISNT THE BAD GUY YALL PLEASE) but there can be so much more#have him awkwardly go up to Danny and ask him how he handled having a clone and try to use that info to get along with Kon!#he works with countless clones in the Justice League and I donāt see yāall writing him hating them. make it make sense#just- please. you donāt have to read a comic to know that Superman is meant to be The Best Of Humanity. just write with that baseline#Iām just sad folks are being so gosh darn mean to Supes. heās a delightful character to read and my favorite big superhero#and a lot of folks in dpxdc do the anti clone stuff and thatās Clarkās entire personality for the comic.#you donāt think heād be sympathetic because Danny was given immense duty and power and is only a few of his kind? or having an evil self in#another dimension that showed him the destruction he could bring?#Clark is a smartass. he is a seeker of the truth. he is a reporter (and a damn good one too). he is a loving husband. he is an alien.#he is a hero. he is a god. he is a caring friend. he is a genuinely kind and good being.#I recommend reading All Star Superman. Under The Yellow Sun by Clark Kent. and Superman:Grounded
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i really do think the desire to paint ten as unambiguously The Worstā¢ļø when it comes to his relationship with martha is out of this desire to uncomplicate their relationship. to decouple them as friends and people who profoundly impacted each otherās lives. itās just an easier narrative to swallow: that ten was Awful to her and then martha kicked him to the curb when she realized she was too good for him. easier, maybe, then dealing with the troubles of unrequited affection donāt have to be anyoneās fault, or that ten shut martha out in a lot of ways but let her in in others that he wouldnāt let any other companion near, or that they were still friends, they still wanted to see each other and be around each other, even though it was messy and sometimes hurt. you know?
#sometimes the doctor is shitty. this is not news we know this. this is part of the package. its what makes their relationships with their#companions so interesting so important.#like. how do i put this. i see posts sometimes about how ten was āleading martha onā implying that he was taking advantage of her feelings#to keep her around. and. okay. so. putting aside how thatās a weird thing to say about anyone period.#its also just. from my viewing experience. not true?#the doctor is just sort of Like That. heās too intense heās too quick to grasp for emotional intimacy heās too messy.#but heās not leading her on. he really is just Like That.#like i feel by getting caught up in the fact that martha is hurt by being compared to rose and is hurt by the fact that the doctor canāt or#wonāt return her feelings. and like. yeah. of course that hurts.#but in being caught up in that. i think what im saying is that it feels like people sometimes forget that heās. not required to do that.#like just because she has feelings for him doesnāt mean he needs to get over himself and return them or else heās using her. thatās. thatās#not how relationships work. people can have romantic feelings and still be friends and not have anything come of it and thatās not a#terrible outcome. thats just how friendships are sometimes.#thats the core of it to me. theyāre friends. the way people post about ten & martha sometimes i wonder if everyoneās forgotten that they#are friends. that they last parted as friends. that martha doesnāt hate him or secretely resent him for how he treated her.#like. sheās got complicated feelings about the whole thing. but they didnāt stop being friends.#i tell you what: if the doctor was in trouble and called for help. you could be damn certain that martha jones would be one of the first#people to answer. thatās what i know.#doctor who#the doctor#tenth doctor#martha jones
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So I played through some more dbh last night and woke up thinking, God, there is a good reason Markus and Kara, and their respective companions never got as popular as Connor and Hank. Literally The Bridge is surrounded by the most *do everything for absolutely no reason* chapters, and there's no comparison.
First the Kara chapter wastes your time, she barely gets any small talk in with Luther, then the car breaks down, then you're just doing tiny tasks, doing a shitty sum up of her story so far when Alice asks you to make one up- they could have done something interesting with that story but they chose not to, literally anything specific anything that would function as a parallel to their journey would have actually had some value. Then you barely start a conversation with Luther, where are you maybe get a hint of his personality before we're back to just talking about the plot and Alice, but then it's over again and you meet the Jerries and you learn almost nothing about them.
It is a chapter where you do nothing interesting, and you learn almost nothing about the main characters, for a downtime chapter, I expect character development and get barely a sneeze of it. There is so much room and so much time for you to really push and question your main characters but it just doesn't get used.
Honestly I think the protagonists all could have probably really benefited from the audience getting to hear their internal monologues if they weren't actually going to talk to their companion characters, but even that would just be a substitute for decent writing.
Either way, after that, we come back to Connor and Hank, who do almost no tasks in this chapter, *but spend the entire time TALKING.* They talk to each other in a constant volley back and forth for the entire length of the chapter and it's probably one of the best chapters in the game, it's certainly one of the most important in their story. You spend the entire bridge scene learning more about Hank and Connor's inner worlds, and how they think, and how they feel, you spend the whole chapter learning so much about their perspectives, this chapter is all about asking the hard questions about both of their individual characters, and the tension is high, it's a straightforward chapter to play, and it really fucking feels like your choices matter here, there will be immediate consequences, not just walking through your environment trying to find the right answer, or being dragged through an interaction. It's just plain good.
And then Markus infiltrates the Stratford Tower, and you get the most boring and useless and frustrating chapter in the game that doesn't seem to serve any purpose beyond looking cool. If Kara's last chapter was only to gain sympathy and create some soft and fuzzy feelings, this chapter is only about looking cinematic. This is probably my least favorite chapter in the game, honestly I've just gotten lost on that yellow ass office floor building too many times, even though I'm very familiar with the game now I still managed to get lost again last night.
I will admit that eventually it does become an opportunity to decide between pacifism and violence but that seems to be the only real development for Markus, and it wouldn't have been hard to make that kind of opportunity in another setting. Because we get next to nothing watching him get past the front desk, or from walking around that floor, just some outfit changes and pretending to be a machine and a little more Android hate in the background, Markus is almost completely silent yet again, there is almost no talking with North once she appears. We actually get more about North's personality here than Markus', she just feels like she has more lines somehow, because sometimes she just talks without it being connected to the plot and Markus never does.
This bit is more speculative, but my fiance and I were going off last night about whyyyy did they have to break into the tower? We're never given any reason for what the steps are and why they are important, just usually pretty important in these mission impossible type scenes, they're usually explaining in a voice-over why they are taking the steps that they are taking. But we get no explanation for why he needs to go to the 47th floor or whatever, No explanation for why he needs to change into a maintenance Android uniform, why North was in the stairwell, how Josh and Simon got in, it's all just handwaved, and whyyyyyy they couldn't have just?? Made a recording and then hacked the station's broadcast remotely and basically just posted the speech? I don't know, it's just a particularly frustrating chapter to play, personally, but it isn't strong.
Either way, you've got two chapters with next to no character development, that just have a lot of empty space and time where the characters could have been talking or could have been doing something else, but didn't because the vibes were more important, sandwiching a simple scene with ten pounds of character development and it just feels weird. And once I noticed it, it just made the Kara and Markus chapters look incredibly weak and poorly written... And conversely, make the Connor and Hank chapter look much, much stronger in comparison.
It's like Detroit become human almost needs it's own type of Bechdel Test, just to show how much they fail Markus and Kara. "Do they talk about something that isn't the plot?"
"Do Kara and Luther talk about something that isn't Alice or getting to Canada?" "Does Markus talk about anything besides his speech for this chapter?" "Does Alice talk at all beyond basic communication with Kara?" "Does Markus or his buddies talk about anything that's not the revolution or just Markus himself?"
... They don't pass a lot.
It's just hard to take these characters above simply *likeable* when they just, don't, ever, talk. There's little to no development for Markus or Kara, and because they've just become deviants, there's hardly any character establishment in the first place, they barely even get the chance to just be flat, because if they don't really know who they are, we don't really know who they are.
Connor and Hank's friendship is more functionally the main plot, more so than the deviant investigation, and for Markus and the team, and Kara with Alice, that's simply just not the case, there is hardly any relationship, they're just in the same boat. This is why Connor got astronomically more popular, and why he and Hank have the staying power that they do.
Markus and Kara just don't ever talk, and Connor does. And I'm fucking mad about it. The amount of time that was just wasted in their stories, I could probably take a damn stopwatch to all the moments where there could have been a little something-something, and nothing was put there. It's not to say Connor doesn't get some quiet moments too but he always gets the chance to make up for it.
Even at the beginning of the Stratford Tower chapter, I noticed that they could have had Simon and North talking about something maybe unrelated when Markus walks up, but there's nothing, only silence until Markus comes in with a plan. And of course we know about every time Luther tries to bring up the fact that Alice is an android, only to be shut down and walked away from. It fucking kills me how much time Mark is has the focus of the camera but it's only so he could look cool for a minute, and share no thoughts of his own, none of his new feelings, everything is only implied and then followed by the action where he is only allowed to be the leader of the revolution and never just Markus. There's a tragedy in that, but they could have driven it home harder by *pointing that out.*
#dean talks to himself#detroit becomeĀ human#dbh connor#markus dbh#Kara dbh#and it's not like i don't know there's racism and sexism in fandom and in production. obviously Connor is a white man. i didn't forget#and there's the insanity that happened with GR and creating all that personality for an asshole with four appearances throughout the game#which makes you wonder why didn't the fandom do the same for Markus and Kara bc wtf#But honestly the logic kind of tracks. GR showed so much personality and he has the benefit of being human so we can more easily extrapolat#we know what humans tend to do with their time and what they act like and we barely get to see any androids actually doing the whole#becoming human thing.#I've tried building them up in my head but I'll admit it's kind of hard. they're more blank slate than sandbox#GR is a human and Hank's foil and that's easy to extrapolate on. 900 is Connor but Better and that's easy to extrapolate on#i think we somehow see too much and not enough of Markus and Kara and it has us pressing the brake and the gas at the same time#just trying to figure them out around these points. it's like a damn maze and a lot of speculation that doesn't have anything to grab onto#it's just a damn crying fucking shame because there was so much time to spend on them and it just doesn't get spent on them#anyway rant over hope you didn't hate it
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would i be considered a lunatic if i said that horror's story could be read as a parallel for SA. Hear Me Out: (obviously be careful for reading this bc like,,, sensitive topic)
i feel like the largest parallel could be the actual event of getting his eye taken. a part of his body is "taken" and literally or metaphorically horror was pinned down and forced to give up his body (even worse considering that a literal part of him was PULLED out with a foreign object designed solely to hurt HIM SPECIFICALLY). it's digusting and horror claws and fights his way out to prevent it but unfortunately it still ends up happening no matter what he could've done. no matter how many backup plans or extra contibutions or begging or fighting he did. which like. sounds honestly pretty simple to the reality of victims of SA. that hopelessness of knowing that even if you did as much as you could, covering up, devoting yourself to a life of chastity, not hanging with people like thay, there's still a chance that something bad could happen and all of a sudden everyone's out to get you and how could they just stand by and do NOTHING while you were left to suffer and defend yourself
which leads onto the next point i wanna bring up which is horror's rage immediately after getting his eye stolen. his anger at the betrayal is (very justified my boy did nothing to deserve this) solely about him and his bodily autonomy. undyne (and alphys ig,,,,) couldn't consider ANY other possible solution than to deprive him of his autonomy and decide to just take what they wanted from his body??? AND THE FACT THAT ALPHYS SAID THAT HE MIGHT AGREE TO GIVING UP HIS EYE? it's giving very much so "oh it'll feel good so don't worry" type shit or whatever (horrortale alphys i DONT like you). a betrayal at the hands of someone you trusted a lot about your bodily autonomy? it just gives off that sort of parallel
and the sheer anger and fury that horror felt and enacted on alphys and undyne and everyone else at the CORE just like DUDE. that is a type of anger that only comes out when you've been deeply wronged. sometimes when a horrific experience like getting SAed happens you just wanna explode and drag down everyone around you and ESPECIALLY the perpetrators no matter how much you rationalize. you can have as many people as you want try to convince you that revenge and being hateful isnt the way but it doesn't matter because they havent been wronged the way youve been. horror deserved to be that cruel because undyne and alphys were just as cruel back to him, so he'll be the same and return it 10fold (he probably wasnt even out of bones when he decided to turn them into chips he just wanted to make it a point that he didn't even need to use his full strength to hurt the guards. horror could've EASILY killed alphys but no he wanted it to hurt for her so she could live a life of eternal suffering and fall to her lowest and to ESPECIALLY hurt undyne. because they deserve to suffer just as much as he did if not more for the crime commited against him)
a betrayal as bad as alphys's is only worsened when she tells him that she doesnt regret a single thing about using him for the underground. that has to be the single most infuriating thing for horror to hear because WHAT DO YOU MEAN alphys doesn't regret a thing? that's exactly what some people gloat about after doing terrible things; they try to sweep it under the rug as nothing that bad or justify it OR JUST STRAIGHT UP ADMIT IT!!! nah horrortale alphys deserved to suffer idc
and back onto that feeling of wanting to kick and scream and drag everyone else down with you after being left so used and betrayed due to getting SAed: i know it was bad that horror tricked snowdin into eating humans it was TERRIBLY BAD but really horror was just operating on anger and spite and the need for vengeance. nobody in snowdin ever did anything to hurt him (and i'm sure horror knows that considering he definitely regrets what he did) but to him maybe they also should feel the pain he feels so they can all relate. so that they can't try and fight against him when he says his side of the story and say that undyne was right with what she did. that maybe he wouldn't feel so absolutely devastated after what happened if he saw everyone around him suffering too, and maybe JUST MAYBE he'd get a bit of something back from his sacrifice that he never consented to
i KNOW i'm not reaching with this but idk if i phrased it the best. but to me horror's story really does genuinely parallel to one of an SA survivor's: the betrayal, the anger, the feeling of loneliness and isolation and just feeling absolutely used for a simple thing as your body. chapter 4 of horrortale really is amazing storytelling and so is horror (he was reasonable in what he did IDC WHAT ANYONE SAYS he might be WRONG but it was reasonable. i love horror sans)
#i'm sorry if this is like kinda not srs enough for this topic just know that this came from a place of genuine relation to horror#his story resonates a lot to me about my own personal experiences and the anger and betrayal i felt myself#and i just wanted to point out the similarities i saw š#i think that maybe even without realizing it that he might feel replused at sex and especially the intimacy part#touching his eye socket or head wound is like reliving the entire situation over again and he does NOT WANT THAT AT ALL#its a part of his body that he cant just get rid of because it's necessary which SUCKS#the snarkiness that horror has against undyne even after 7 years is so real#you NEVER forgive your abuser in that situation. i know damn well that the grudge will continue to last on for many more years to come#one day horror and undyne might be able to make up and coexist but horror wont ever be able to TRULY forgive her#a part of you changes viscerally for the worse when you go through something so traumatic#and i think horror's outburst fits that change a lot. it seems almost sudden how quickly he goes from sans to horror#and even though he was still spiralling before the CORE he probably wouldn't have changed so drastically without a betrayal THIS bad#he better get the BEST potential ending in horrortale or else i will RIOT#if aliza doesnt save horrortale and give them all the freedom they DESPERATELY NEED#SAS pls SAS pls don't doom them even more than they already are thats all i need#this metaphor is made even worse with my idea that killer or dust pull him around by the eye or skull#probably not dust (when he's calm (when he's not all boundaries get thrown out the window)#but with killer probably. he doesn't particularly care about what horror wants or keeps to himself#if it gets a barely amusing reaction then sure whatever. horror gets unreasonably pissed anyway for someone who just got his eye taken#in fights they could make it a point to hold onto his skull near the eyewound as tightly as possible#just to make it HURT. dust wants horror to remember him with as much hate as he does for undyne#killer does it to get him to remember that moment except this time no he can't fight back. just to keep him in line#it sucks i know but this trio was never truly made to improve eachother. they were made to drag eachother down worse than they already are#tricule analyze#killer sans#horror sans#dust sans#murder time trio#utmv
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love seeing your takes on mouthwashing and how sane they are. everything's so black or white. I like how you acknowledge curlys abuse under jimmy (which I honestly didn't quite notice when I first watched a playthrough. should rewatch w this in mind) and how that very much doesn't "forgive" his inaction towards Anya and Her abuse under jimmy. I think what happens to him despite all his issues (bc he clearly wasn't OK šāš¼) is very much karmic. I really did hurt huh
I hate the take that what happened to him is karmic as becoming disabled and being tortured is like not in any way an equal consequence for not taking more action against Jimmy. It is a consequence as is the whole game for everyone but itās one that is very much established as being undeserved and extreme as everyone elseās but Jimmyās fate.
Thank you for liking my takes but I also try to point out that this exact sort of framing of the events and what happened to Curly is bad especially if you are gonna factor in his own abuse into the equation of his inaction/ineffective acts. Itās like āsaying yeah he deserved the abuse he was already going through to escalate because he didnāt do enoughā which is like not a message the game tries to deliver at all. Itās like the game shows that abusers escalate
Karma and punishment are not concepts that I think should be directly tied to Curlyās fate especially since during the game and even in discussion he takes on too many consequences of someone elseās actions. Like this framing is the direct thing I describe taking the discussion away from Jimmy, P.E and the factors that created the environment in the first place.
#Maybe Iām just a bleeding heart for fictional characters that suffer but the fandom has a weird attachment to retribution#as if retribution is not a damning desire in the game like the game is about what happens when you#lack the capability to try and do better or go back on it and that is about all of them but mainly Jimmy and how it intensifies#the suffering of those around him like not saying Curly is excused but the think pieces about Curly make on whether he deserved it make it#sound like he was some empty headed dolt that didnāt know women faced oppression or had any issues of his own#and that he needed to be humbled to understand as if his toxic relationship with Jimmy is not an aspect in the forefront and his apathy in#life like becoming disabled isnāt karma yes his condition parallel Anyaās feeling but itās also reveals all the way Jimmy was already#treating him poorly and how it got worse now that he had more power over him like again he harasses Anya still but noticed he takes out most#of his frustration on Curly now like idk what more I can say#I hate the idea someone deserves to be disabled and go through such a brutal experience comments like that are weird#like this is not an argument of Curly suffered too with Anya it is they are both suffering at all points with Jimmy#and it is not at all helpful to any conversation to try to scale and compare both their experiences against each other#but rather how they both reacted to Jimmy and how it affected how they handled/viewed everything pre and post crash#like I hope this hurts is likely a comment on the whole system that allowed it all to happen not specifically about any character or what#they did like it never did not hurt thatās the point none of the choices made felt good for anyone like sorry this is not about you anon#just the general sentiment of post crash curly and deserving cause by the logic people use then Swansea deserved to watch Daisuke suffer and#have to kill him because he didnāt kill Jimmy or support Anya better like itās crazy to me#like yes represents him not being able to do more anymore but it is again pointed out to be unfair because of what resources they had#like he suffers due to P.Es restriction even when it comes to his care because they under supply them despite how long and dangerous#and isolating and short staffed their jobs are.#got a little heated sorry anon I just think the idea someone needs to suffer for what Jimmy did outside of Jimmy makes me mad#mainly because itās never like realistic or just or acknowledges the facets of abuse#mouthwashing#ask#anon#mouthwashing game#curly mouthwashing
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carlos' eyes in the meeting room........ carlos' eyes at the hospital..... at the IC room..... his guts are boiling with hot rage!!! this very stubborn hope. it's in the clench of his jaw since the funeral. the lump in his throat that he swallows back every time because that's how the gut-wrenching vestige of murder that hasn't received its justice yet feels like."i see it now. the eyes.." because that's the glimpse of the resolute unswerving gabriel in him that echos 'if there are tears to weep we do it when the time comes, not before'. you grief but you don't get defeated when there is still work to do in order to rest in that grief. and GODDD carlos is so righteously resolved about getting there. i want him so so bad to solve the case. finally bring that retribution and avenge his family and himself. he's been in the waxing and waning throes for too long he only deserves the purgation and finality of it more than anything!!!!!
because no way all of this relentless endeavour and sharp stubborn wit would culminate to anything but cracking it. even storytelling wise that would be disheartening not to bring it to its desired ends. because imagine. all this time carlos was so right about the rangers from the start. then he looped in. was kept so close under their wing. and then he now realises that he wasn't really truly '''stuck''' but he was trapped and misled instead and it's all tumbling down now over their heads and he's seeing through the cracks. finally the darkness makes sense and he can move in action through the pinnacle and into the resolution!!!
#i have deeper problems with takes that invalidate how important this is to carlos because it sees that letting go has equal psychological.#moral and emotional outcomes to pursuing justice and you shall be just fine after abandoning it after a certain amount of time as if that's#also not part of your life. it doesn't set right with me at all and I'd like to talk more about#like damn i know it's JUST A SHOW!! but every bit of me aligns with carlos' moral clarity about all of this. how he carries this#responsibility. how he holds himself accountable for the mistake he made when he wasn't seeing clear. how he doesn't back down but#simultaneously lives his life. getting married. being present in his marriage and trying to do better when he needs to (and i also have#issues with the disjointed and often contradictory storytelling here)#I just like to watch a story about justice winning because you didn't soften on injustice. because the path of this compelling instinct has#a price after all. i'll hate it so much if he didn't catch him at the end. or didn't at least reach a satisfying closure. I'll hate the#throwing of all of this into the unknown ā to pacify it instead of treating it properly.#especially when that's a show about this exactly ā the job!!! ā these characters have the authority and the tools that allows them to#accomplish the mission. more or less#carlos reyes#911ls#5x08
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I am not finishing this because im fucking lazy so take this now too okay!!!
Alts and the like under here + One amputee iggy stump (???) warning IDK1!!!11!
#hetalia#hetalia america#hetalia england#alfred f jones#arthur kirkland#myart#zombie au#tw nosebleed#cw nosebleed#tw amputee#cw amputation#amputee#amputation#nothing in my head man i just think abt my damn zombie au all day#francis is the other person in the arthur amputee image but i figure its not important enough to tag.#just know its fruk. implicitly :)))#arthur needing to rely on francis but fucking hating it the whole time and being pissy#total asshole behaviour followed by downturned eyes and shameful apology because he cant do anything#frequently getting sick and yelling at francis between bouts of vomiting liek dont touch me!!!! type stuff#before needing to go back on that and ask francis for help#shame.... his pride is deeply bruised!!! funny.#i like to think when ame and cana come along hes like an annoying doting mom#but like. on her period. like shes a bitch about it. but in the end she cares and just wants them to stay alive#because otherwise shell probably have to kill francis (solitude fucks her up)#ame protesting like you dont fucking know me!!! and storms off. cana apologises for his attitude#absentmindedly. but his eyes are fixed on ame in the distance and he quickly waves to follow him and talk#ive had that idea in my head for a bit. ame emotional outbursts. idk if ill ever draw it but meh#why do i write this all in the tags which no one reads at all???#idk.#hashtag funny
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