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isnt-that-wizardd · 2 days ago

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dbda headcanons

hello i'm bored so here are some dead boy detective headcanons for you!! all are gen (no specific ships) though i do also have some payneland specific ones if anyone is ever interested

The boys own so many copies of Clue because they SUCK at keeping track of all the pieces. Inevitably they lose a character piece or accidentally rip one of the cards or do something like throw the board off a roof when they get frustrated and can’t find everything when they try to pick it up. So they just buy a new board. Only three of them still have a full set of things for the game, and one of them has only the pieces and cards but no actual board. A couple of them are mismatched because when they first started they thought to just pull the things they needed out of the new box so they could continue using the old one, but then they just lost track of what was where.

Charles usually wins when they play games, unless it’s trivia. He still has an edge up on Edwin on pop culture, but only if the game is old enough. They both stopped paying attention to that kind of thing in the late 90s, so half the time if they are playing a trivia game, they’ll just take out that category all together.

Niko has made it her life’s mission to catch them up on everything, though, so they have a regularly scheduled group movie night - Edwin and Charles get absolutely no input in anything they watch, so they are at the complete mercy of what Crystal and Niko think that they need to watch. Both were surprised at how much Charles ended up LOVING Legally Blonde.

After he finds out that Crystal got a girlfriend, Charles goes through a whole thing for a while about how he’s the “token straight friend”. Crystal, Niko, and Edwin are all just standing there like “....so who’s gonna tell him.”

Edwin eventually tries to ban Crystal from eating in the office because he’s sick of hearing Charles complain about how jealous he is. If he hears about how much Charles misses spaghetti one more time then he’s banning Charles next

Edwin and Crystal have a deeply sibling-like relationship where they antagonize, torture, yell, and generally act like they hate each other but at the same time they would both absolutely fight, maim, kill, etc for each other. Charles had given up trying to meditate because he realized that fighting is actually their love language

Edwin also becomes a protective brother type for her where he is constantly making sure she's taking care of herself (eating, sleeping, etc) but acts like it is the biggest hindrance in the world. He berates Crystal endlessly when he realizes she hasn't eaten all day and complains about how much of an annoyance it'll be if she passes out on a case while simultaneously making her tea and a sandwich. He complains about how she relies on her powers too much on cases and tells her she needs to "actually learn to do some real detective work" and then conveniently leaves books around that will be helpful to learn more about the supernatural, casually explains certain things when she just happens to be in earshot, and just generally passive aggressively teaches her so that she'll be better protected and knowledgeable on cases

Both Edwin and Charles are opposed to “getting with the digital age”, as Crystal and Niko put it. They’ll borrow one of the girls’ laptops maybe every once in a blue moon and they will gladly watch movies and shows, and Charles does like the music access that stealing Crystal’s phone gives him, but there is no chance that they are bringing in all this digital tech to the agency. They’ve been working with pen and paper since they started and they are going to stay that way, thank you very much. The internet is too messy with everyone’s different opinions and theories to give them accurate research on what they don’t already know about the supernatural world, and honestly, ghosts and digital technology don’t actually mix super well. The Night Nurse is fully on their side, so any internet needs are kept to a minimum and are entirely the girls’ domain

Charles is chaotic and ADHD but between the two of them, he's far more orderly about things. He has his magic bag organized to a T and is cleaning up after Edwin all the time when he leaves books lying about. It seems to entirely counteract his personality and for a long time Edwin just brushes it off as a little quirk, but after the Devlin house he finally learns that Charles keeps himself so neat and organized all the time because his dad would punish him when things were out of place

Edwin is surprisingly good with children. Charles never knows what to do with himself when interacting with a kid, but Edwin will crouch down to their level, speak to them normally rather than using any sort of baby talk, listen to them rant about their special interests, etc and just generally treat them like just Another Person in a way that has kids just immediately attaching to him like baby ducks. Edwin does not understand why kids seem to like him at all, and Charles just laughs when he asks, happy to simply sit back and watch the cutest interactions he's ever seen

Edwin and Niko have weekly "date" nights where they just hang out in her bedroom and watch shows (she's determined to get Edwin into at least one anime), chat, play go fish for hours on end, and things like that. It gives both of them a designated time to relax over the week and to catch up/gossip about things they haven't gotten a chance to tell each other yet. Crystal and Charles are absolutely Not Invited to these dates, a fact that both of them pretend to be outraged over

Charles is nearly always perfectly content with just remaining on earth and interacting with the living plane and never ever seeing any of the afterlife-associated locations/offices (Lost & Found, etc) but since finding out it exists, he is Determined to figure out how to get to the Dead Letter Office. He doesn't understand how it works or exists or how the postman always finds them and His Brain Needs To Know. So far he's bothered both the postman and the Night Nurse for information but both are way too cryptic/annoying to be of any help

Charles and Niko rarely end up alone together and are not as close as any of the other dynamics in the friend group, but that isn't to say they don't absolutely ADORE each other. They think that the other is just about the neatest person ever and when they do end up just the two of them, their mutual chaotic energies collide in a way where they either are absolutely brilliant and accidentally uncover something essential to a case or they just completely dissolve into hysterical laughter and can't get a thing done

#dead boy detectives #dbda #dbda netflix #dead boy detective agency #dbda headcanons #edwin payne #charles rowland #crystal palace #niko sasaki #domestic headcanons #niko and edwin #charles and crystal #payneland #painland #headcanons #headcanon

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getindumdums · 1 day ago

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It’s gonna be a real shame if this is the case. I didn’t really think it was this kind of issue, because I assumed everyone head cannoned them as all black, plus April was.

I personally really love Donnie cause I’m autistic too. (Human wise I assumed he’d be extremely dark. But I have noticed people drawing Leo and Donnie pretty light.) But I love all the turtles. I definitely agree Raph and Mikey aren’t prominent enough. I’ve been loving Raph a LOT lately.

Though I didn’t personally understand this obsession with Leo other than the movie must have kicked off the angst train. Because Raph had a BEAUTIFUL ARC as the leader. Canonically the creators said that Raph would have the ‘PTSD’ common with ‘Leo’s’. I actually think Leo’s confidence would improve in some ways after the movie— ahum.

We had a Mikey and Raph episode that got scraped. And the dentist episode was a Brains and Brawn episode I WOULD HAVE LOVED! There’s like NO episode to show me how to write a Raph and Donnie dynamic better. Other than like the scene where they’re in the turtle tank, and Raph encourages Donnie’s craziness. “Tests are easy. It’s answers that are hard.” “I LOVE YOU SO MUCH! Let’s do it!” <- give me more.

I can also see why people would mainly focus on the turtles and Jr because of the movie. While April could have gotten more attention in the series, and don’t really see too much of what a friendly dynamic would have looked like between Casey Sr. (Cassandra) towards the turtles and April. So I can see that being.

People might be hesitant to write Splinter because of the neglect he’s done and the whole parent Raph thing. Draxum probably gets written as a villain a LOT because he was SO GOOD AS A VILLAIN! But I feel like people forget how ‘flamboyant’ he was. I definitely don’t see any Casey Sr. And Draxum interactions, that had been fun. I definitely hadn’t liked his redemption arc much?? I think the Cafeteria episode where he gets a mystery meat kid, could have easily been written to him seeing Mikey/the brothers as HIS own. And be the Hugin and Munin reunion episode that got scrapped.

So I thought the movie/autistic relatable caused the Leo and Donnie favoritism. And with so many people just drawing those two it kinda reinforced it. Tmnt fans are gonna eat what they see— (Thank you somerandomdude for writing robo Raph and and badass wizard Mikey—)

And even though I wanted to choke Leo— the Leosagi ship got me in a chokehold as well. Most fandoms are very ship/romantic based. And so a lot of fans insist of having a (gay?) ship to have. Leosagi is a good outlet and is cute. (But I hate it when people mischaracterize Donnie as ‘heartless’ (unintentional ableism??) and ‘homophobic’. I blame When Worlds Collide— Sorry. So I understand why people would ship Donsagi instead.)

I’ve seen a couple people embrace Leo speaking Spanish and his relationship with ‘Tio Hueso’, so I would assume people are trying to be inclusive, but it’d be the whole subconscious racism caused by societal norms that everyone needs to work towards getting rid of. Young kids definitely get brainwashed by all that junk young so— yeah. Great thing for you to bring up. We can all learn.

*Note: I’d love to see more Asain/Japanese embraced content- but I’m not Japanese either—

If we need more content to help feed the fandom I got a Raph post about how the Krang infection would infect Raph and a Raph-Leatherhead theory.

I also got a theory I need to write, with the death of Splinter, that Draxum (as his newly given robes) was gonna act as their new sensei. Training the turtles in fighting and the mystic. So the whole Mikey training with Draxum thing, I think people can take it a step further.

Why Rise Raph and Mikey are Unappreciated and Underrepresented in the Fandom: Leo/Donnie Favoritism, Anti-Black Racism, and Sizeism

It's refreshing to see that more Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fans nowadays seem to be waking up to the fact that Leo and Donnie get way more attention from the fandom than Raph and Mikey do. However, what's still missing from most of these discussions is exactly why that's the case.

With Raph and Mikey being voiced by Black actors (Omar Benson Miller and Brandon Mychal Smith, respectively) and Raph being a character with a big, burly physique, anti-Black racism and sizeism (in the case of Raph) are definitely factors in all of this. In contrast, Leo and Donnie are voiced by white actors, and both characters have a much smaller build than Raph does. And in the world that we live in with both anti-Blackness and sizeism, sadly and upsettingly, being the norm, it's easy to see why Leo and Donnie receive the favoritism that they do compared to Raph and Mikey.

But this favoritism doesn't just begin and end with the RotTMNT fandom because the series itself shows a preference for Leo and Donnie as well. Arguably, it's those two who receive most of the focus in the show, with many episodes revolving around them or being from their point of view.

The way both the series and the fandom downplay Raph’s parentification due to Splinter’s neglect also is a notable example of how a Black-coded and big teenage character like Raph is treated so dismissively by the creators, writers, and fans. After having raised his three younger brothers for years, Raph has his role as team leader stripped from him by his neglectful father with that role given to his much thinner, white actor-voiced brother, Leo. And, that's not even going into the proverbial mess that is the season two episode "Raph’s Ride Along," which makes light of police brutality and profiling against a Black(-coded) child. The adultification of Black children, and in this instance, specifically large Black boys, is likewise tied into the implications of "Raph’s Ride Along" as well as Raph’s treatment within the series overall. Honestly, all of that deserves its own write-up, but that'll have to be for another time.

Anyway, my point is that Raph and Mikey, especially Raph, haven't been given as much appreciation or grace by pretty much anyone, including the folks who made the series. All this also serves as a reminder for why it's important to have Black talent on all levels of production, not just as performers but as creators and producers. Or if not that, at the very least, projects should have non-Black creators who have enough know-how to portray Black/Black-coded characters adequately, treating them with as much care, attention, and respect as they would their white/white-coded counterparts. RotTMNT fans could also stand to do more questioning as to why they don't feel as drawn to represent Raph and Mikey as much as they do Leo and Donnie.

#I know I started my fic with a lot of rise Donnie and Leo #but there’s a reason Chapter 1 opened with a Brains and Brawn and Portal Duo spar #the plan was to constantly rotate perspectives of each turtle #you should see a Raph and Mikey perspective in the next chapter #oh ughhh #I’m not black but I am half Hispanic #and as a writer have tried to be knowledgeable about writing all kinds of representation as much as I can #I need to write/draw more Raph and Mikey #Ive been meaning too anyway #shoot— have the black human turtles content been by mostly black artists? I’m questioning everything now #I assumed it was everybody

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cryinggirlnamedhelen · 2 days ago

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Would you elaborate your opinion on Kaisagi? (Personally I do not support it, and I think the fanon downplay how toxic this relationship really is, other than that I can respect others' opinions if they actually read the manga and not through filtered spoilers)

Hello!

I think I’ve definitely made it clear in the BLLK Tumblr fandom that I absolutely loathe Kaisagi…lmao. But good question; prepare yourself for some serious yap.

Just to start, I’ve always been a Bachisagi shipper. I mean, I watched the first episode and went “yep, Bachira is 100% in love with Isagi”, so I kind of stuck with Bachisagi. I didn’t even ship Rinsagi despite it being a ship dynamic that I would usually adore and despite the fact that Rinsagi is way more popular than Bachisagi.

Then I got to the part in the manga where Kaiser got introduced. Now, lemme just say, I’ve always adored Kaiser even before his backstory. When I simp for a character, it’s less likely for me to ship them with someone (although there’s still the possibility of me shipping them with someone; look at Shidou for example. I’m a huge Shidou simp but I also love Ryusae). So there was always an extremely slim chance of me shipping Kaisagi, but then I began to delve deeper into Kaiser as a character, I started to hate Kaisagi.

I began to realize that Kaiser really only saw Isagi as another stepping stone in his goal of being the world’s best and as someone to make the world love him more. Kaiser is obsessed with the idea of being loved, and soccer brought that to him through making him famous. As such, defeating Isagi, who was the world’s newest U20 soccer superstar, Kaiser would only be more and more loved by the audience.

For Isagi, Kaiser is a clown and bitch. No more explanation needed for this.

And I completely agree with you; even if Kaisagi was ever canon, it’d be incredibly toxic. Their relationship is already terrible, with grossly obsessive fixations and physical altercations they have. But if they ever dated, it would be hell on earth for the both of them. Isagi grew up in a nice and loving home, and Isagi shows love healthily. Kaiser grew up in the opposite environment, with one parent who was abusive and horrible. Kaiser can’t really express or show love due to his childhood and lack of affection in his childhood. In a relationship, with only one partner showing all of the love in the relationship, it just won’t work out.

#blue lock #blue lock x reader #bllk #bllk x reader #blue lock x female reader

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darcyolsson · 2 days ago

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as someone entrenched in the fandom for too long... would you mind sharing your insights as a newcomer what you think the most fascinating or insane things you 911 fans are doing👀 the things we believe or talk about like normal that as an outsider with media literacy are wild to you

BUCKTOMMY!!! bucktommy. going online and seeing that the main two sentiments are "bucktommy are soulmates forever" and "tommy is the literal devil and he needs to die" was truly baffling. before starting the show i thought buck and tommy were for real a good couple, you know, kind of like a compromise: we won't show buck in a queer relationship with eddie, but we can show him in another functional gay relationship. reader, this is not the case. they're SO messy and obviously not actually good for each other and i LOVE it. tommy got buck basketball tickets for their 6 month anniversary even though buck notoriously really hates basketball. this is obviously extremely painful to watch. however thankfully he's immediately upstaged by buck getting him NOTHING. they're perpetually in a terrible boyfriend-off and i'm obsessed with it.

needless to say i'm really confused by how few people (in the main tags at least) share this sentiment. the bucktommy soulmates camp are watching his show with their eyes and ears closed, the tommy devil truthers do not know how to have fun. they're obviously not going to be endgame on account of the show emphasising how much they do not work over and over again, but i'm going to have great fun while he's here. the only way i can really make sense of this really extreme divide is that it's is more about fandom wars than it is about anything happening in the actual show, i understand getting so annoyed by a certain group of shippers you become even more annoying about your own ship. this is a fandom tale as old as time. but then it's made weird again by the show very obviously not wanting you to see buck and tommy as a particularly functional but still educational relationship? it feels like there's a very clear message being sent and everyone has turned their phone off.

speaking of shipping, the way y'all talked about it i really expected buddie to be heavy subtext throughout the entire show but at least for the first 6 seasons i barely saw it if i'm honest! i know more about the behind the screens lore now which has made it make more sense, i know for s5/6 the showrunner was very anti-buddie, but until the swich to abc i didn't really read their relationship as particularly romantic (except in s4, which i recently learned was supposed to be setup for canon buddie s5 until it was shut down by fox)

also this goes without saying but starting the show i 100% expected buck and eddie to be the main, if not most interesting characters, but i honestly didn't care much for them until s7 😭 in general the degree to which tumblr ignores virtually every other character is....... well it's not surprising at all but. you know

ALSO . i feel like tumblr heavily misrepresented eddie to me. i knew him as tumblr's darling so i kind of expected him to be a morally upstanding man. finding out he's pretty much the only member of the cast who keeps consistently doing lowkey evil things was an incredible reveal. i have to confess i didn't really like him at first because of it but then grew on me, not because he's a better person now or whatever but mainly because he's taken his annoyingness to pure derangedness. like, being in the US military and treating your girlfriends badly? boooo. you suck. cheating on your girlfriend with a woman who looks exactly like your dead wife and then doing a little dead wife roleplay with her when she shows up at your door having cut bangs? genuinely what the hell is wrong with you i want to watch 10 seasons of this

it's also why, for once, i do in fact believe in the "this male character who's dated loads of women is actually gay" propaganda, because eddie keeps taking a sledgehammer to every single intimate relationship he has except buck, who, lbr, essentially functioned as his romantic partner at several moments in the show. initially i thought it was just a Tumblr Shipper Way Of Viewing Things that but as it turns out it's actually a really reasonable interpretation. my bad!

funnily enough my entire opinion of buddie remains unchanged. before i started the show i thought "it would be nice if they went canon, and there's a real possibility, but given the way these things usually go i wouldn't bet any money on it" and i still feel the exact same way. yes season 8 seems to be obviously setting up for it. however i've seen this before many times and every single time the outcome was queerbaiting i fear........ so net 0 buddie. i do like them, i'd love to see it, but i've been hurt so many times i do not have it in me to hope </3

tl;dr no one on this website understands tommy like i do and i dont even care about him and eddie might be a little bit evil but i like it so it's fine

#answered asks #911*#anonymous #the media literacy comment was in fact about b/t soulmate truthers btw. but honestly it also applies to the other end of the spectrum😭

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getvalentined · 1 day ago

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FOR THE ASK GAME! i know you've posted a ton of amazing analysis, but i would love more of your vincent thoughts. If you're tired of writing about him right now, i'd also like to hear your thoughts about Glenn, who i don't know if i've heard you talk about a lot. 🖤

💭 How I feel about this character

I will never get tired of talking about Vincent Valentine. He is my favorite character in the whole of fiction, my blorbo of blorbos, and I consider him the single most personally compelling character ever created. I'm not sure I can quantify how much I love this character.

One issue I do run into with regard to how much I adore the guy is assertions and assumptions that it's because he's hot so I wanna fuck him, which is 1000% not the case. I do appreciate his looks—his Rebirth design in particular makes me slightly feral—but it's not from a place of attraction, per se. I personally have no interest in boning Vincent Valentine! I do think he deserves to do some boning, though.

💞 All the people I ship romantically with this character

I ship Vincent with Veld, Cloud, and Genesis, and often Cloud and Genesis at the same time. Also Reeve. Sometimes Tseng, but that's complicated.

I was the first person on the English-speaking side of fandom to draw VinVeld fanart, way back when Before Crisis was still fairly new, and I have RP'd VinVeld with multiple partners since about 2009. Chapter 19 of BC happened, I got fed a loose translation on LiveJournal, and my brain chemistry was changed—another Turk, still alive, who knew Vincent? And they don't refer to each other with any honorifics at all? And he recognized Vincent immediately when even Lucrecia didn't? Those two were basically married, I'm sure of it.

That said, I actually shipped Strifentine before I shipped VinVeld, and I still ship it really hard. My current slice-of-life slow-burn WIP fic is Strifentine, and in Ye Olde Fandom Dayes it was intended to be a core component of my massive Sefikura Bodysharing AU that temporarily broke FFN's review system, although I never got that far.

I've shipped Vinesis since Crisis Core, because Vincent and Genesis are kindred spirits in a way that is similar to Vincent and Cloud while also being completely different, and I love that for them. Two men-turned-monsters-turned-Weapons, doomed to walk the planet until its death, paying for crimes that were never their fault in the first place. Lovely.

While I've never personally posted much if anything related to Valenstrifesodos, I think the dynamic between the three of them would be amazing. Also, as I described to a friend literally yesterday, it's like this: Genesis is Sephiroth's soulmate by fate, Cloud is his soulmate by force, and Vincent is Sephiroth's only living relative so he inherited both of them when the guy died.

Reeve and Tseng are much less commonly shipped with Vincent for me, mostly because I ship them with each other as endgame 100% of the time. In my head, Vincent was kinda with Reeve for a bit postcanon but it just didn't work, and he's honestly pretty attracted to Tseng but doesn't ever pursue it because Tseng kinda hates him. (Tseng does not hate him, it's complicated and entirely Veld's fault, if Tseng ever gets over it they'd have a really fun dynamic.) Sometimes—assuming he doesn't get back with Veld or enter into a relationship Cloud and/or Genesis—I feel like Vincent would occasionally be a third while Reeve and Tseng are together, but it'd be very rare.

🤝 My non-romantic OTP for this character

Also Genesis (in universes where Valenstrifesodos doesn't happen they're generally platonic for a very long time before anything happens between them), as well as Barret and Reeve, but I think my favorite option here is Shera.

They don't really have any canon interactions to speak of, but I spend a lot of time thinking about Cid talking to Vincent in Dirge, telling him that Shera is worried about him and will want to know if he's been eating enough—so they've had interactions, offscreen, between the OG and Dirge. Enough that Shera fusses over him and worries about his diet and sends messages along with Cid to make sure Vincent is doing all right. That's adorable. That's so sweet. I love that for both of them.

🚫 My unpopular opinion about this character

I feel like I have a lot of these, but it really depends on what one considers "unpopular." I guess the biggest is that he isn't in love with Lucrecia anymore? Even though that's...canon. Like that's canon. That is something explored in Dirge, the conclusion of their shared storyline is that Vincent was never actually in love with Lucrecia at all, because he never really knew her, and now that he does he actually appreciates her more, but is able to move forward and leave her behind. (Which is literally what she wants for him! She wants him to be happy without her! This was her goal and she succeeded! But god forbid women do anything!)

The next one is that he would not enter into a relationship with Cid because even if Cid is his type (which he is!) he's in a dedicated relationship with someone else, and Vincent has already done the song and dance of "fool around with a scientist under Shinra's banner* who has a highly intelligent scientist partner who isn't afraid to go to extremes for their work.**" It has nothing to do with interest or a lack of interest, it's because Vincent literally, canonically got killed and turned into a monster for poaching*** and he's never going to even entertain the idea of that ever again.

* Cid is an engineer in Shinra's Department of Space & Aeronautics

** Shera is also an engineer in the same department and was literally cool getting burned alive if it meant the Shinra No. 5 launch would go off safely

*** Lucrecia and Hojo were canonically married and were already in a relationship at the time that Vincent showed up in Nibelheim

The rest include such hot takes as Chaos' consciousness being gone at the end of Dirge (which is also canon), Vincent being Sephiroth's biological father (which is not canon but fuckit), and him being unabashedly pansexual (any character that expresses romantic or sexual interest at any time in any media is bi or pan until proven otherwise) but not having relationships with cis women or anyone who could ever theoretically conceive—he interacted with Nero, immediately knew what happened there, and is not so irresponsible as to risk making any more monster babies capable of flattening the planet when they have a tantrum. (This is actually super rough for him because it's a big part of his sexuality that he just has to cut off forever out of safety concerns and that's pretty fucked up but there's nothing he can do about it.)

🌟 One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon

It's funny, because prior to Rebirth's release I said the one thing that would make up for Vincent not being playable would be if he turned into something and attacked the party, but obviously the devs wouldn't do that with a character everyone is supposed to trust—and then they did! I wanted to see them do something with the asymmetry established in Dirge, maybe give him a wonky eye or something like I draw him a lot of the time, but the devs would never do something like that—and then they did! I wanted him to be more fleshed out, like it would be nice to know if he ever had hobbies, but the devs would never waste time on that—and then they did! Rebirth Vincent was made especially for me.

All I really want now are more interactions between him and Cloud moving forward into FF7Re3, and I have a decent amount of faith that it'll happen.

[ for the character breakdown ask game ]

#vincent valentine #character breakdown ask game #ask game #vinveld #strifentine #valenstrifesodos #long post #kinda #headcanon warning #fandom ramble

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ominus-potato · 3 days ago

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i dont want Catvideo to actually become canon takes the fun out of it. Give us the basis and let us go from there.

I feel that way about most ships.. I like the possibilities open. Four is such a sweet little dork he works so well with so many characters. He’s never gonna canonically get with anyone though because then they couldn’t joke about him being lonely and getting “no bitches” and listening to girlfriend asmr. But he has a lot of chemistry with a lot of characters and is canonically full of yearning so it’s a good jumping off point for the fandom and it makes me a little sad how much SMG34 dominates discussions because there are SO MANY POSSIBILITIES.

but I also like the idea of like. Cupioromantic Four. He wants a romantic relationship but despite how many people he is on such good terms with he doesn’t seem to be able to see himself like that with any of them. He wants a relationship but never has been explicitly shown to have a crush on anyone in particular it gives Cupioromantic vibes to me. At the very least I think that in practice he has a hard time differentiating between types of attraction but I might just be projecting on that one.

so much to explore…

Exactly man. As soon as a ship becomes canon, so many people will outright refuse to hear any other discussion of that character being shipped with anyone else *cough cough* Melony and Axol, *cough cough*.

I love all my ships and as well as I think some of them can work in canon, it just wouldn’t fit the vibe of that show. Especially one with a main character. It kinda sucks bc I love my ships and know they’d be a great couple (Badgehunter, Wreniles) but the show just works better as a comedy. It’s bittersweet in a way.

I feel the same way in The Hollow fandom. Watching season 2 for the first time, I genuinely thought they’d reveal that Adam and Reeve were ex’s but they just didn’t. No romance ended up being canon in the end bc the show was a mystery. Not a romance.

It’s easy to forget not everyone is big on shipping in fandom sometimes. It’s just such an integral part of my fandom experience that it’s just wild to me that people can be in a fandom and not have a ship they like. No hate to those who do, I just don’t understand it is all. It’s honestly impressive tbh. (As long as they don’t go hating on those of us who do love to ship)

#smg4 #catvideo #smg4 rarepair #smg4 rarepairs #ominus potato asks #smg4 x Karen

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grymmeoir · 2 years ago

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Sampo is Delusional

#honkai star rail #sampo koski #gepard landau #sampard #sampo x gepard #sampo #gepard #my art #I actually have a love hate relationship with this ship #don’t know why I like it

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jazforthesoul · 9 months ago

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every time someone reduces CAPTAIN !!! elizabeth "lizzie" lafayette down to "a sad lesbian" a fairy dies bc i shoot it with my gun. like you're telling me you were spoon-fed a character that has one of the most realistic and RAW representations of grief and perseverance in the series and all you got from that was "she's sad" ????

is she a constantly happy character? Fuck no! that's acknowledged!! but to take EVERYTHING that she is, which has positive and negative aspects THAT ARE BOTH SHOWN, to take the fact that she is THE DRIVING FORCE OF THE MAIN BACKGROUND PLOT, and reduce her down to NOTHING but her relationships?? ?what the hell!!!

#saw someone say that lizzie was the most important npc and i cheered and then they tagged on 'bc riptide is abt sad lesbians'#like ok are we ignoring that it's ACTUALLY about living despite everything? are we ignoring that she's fighting an oppressive gvmt?#her sole motivation is NOT ava dude. RAFT is KILLING HER FRIENDS AND HER FAMILY #like you can acknowledge her relationships w ppl. in fact i ENCOURAGE you to do that #because she loves people DEEPLY even though its rare. and that alone says smthn about her.#but she's not waxing poetic about how much she misses ava. id say she's actively ignoring it #my girl is unstable as shit #idk as 1. a lesbian and 2. a person who feels grief intensely #i just. hate how she's reduced to nothing but person b in a ship #BC THE MFS THAT DO THIS HAVE A DEEPER ANALYSIS OF AVA THAN LIZZIE. DAWG AVA AINT EVEN REAL. SHES BEEN DEAD SINCE BEFORE EP 1 #sigh. lizzie i love you so much.#jrwi riptide #jrwi #captain lizzie #elizabeth lafayette

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This was an extremely weird read.

Some of this is very wrong but it’s all because of Arcane’s writing. It’s all because S2 desperately wants to protect Jinx from herself. I don’t know why.

Vi and Jinx can never be together not because there’s this cycle of violence but because of one major difference in mindset. S1 sets this up pretty well actually.

Vi is a moral person with a huge heart. (She shares that with Caitlyn but I’ll get to that later) She doesn’t enjoy hurting people. She fights for what she believes in, even if she has the subtlety of a wreaking ball. She’s got a good heart. That’s always been true, even before Arcane.

But Jinx, she chose her individuality for a very specific reason. That individuality gave Powder something she’s never had before. Strength, power, freedom. Jinx doesn’t want to be loved. She doesn’t care. The writers of S2 hate this and want to protect her from it, but the truth is, deep down, Jinx enjoys what she does. A Jinx that embraces that is a force to be reckoned with. (It’s also why Isha can’t change her. She wouldn’t want to change)

This is why Vi gravitates towards Caitlyn. Both are kind and compassionate people with hearts of gold. Caitlyn appreciated Vi’s passion and heart. It’s why she made her an enforcer despite her being not just a Zaunite, but a Zaunite criminal.

Both find their passions and they couldn’t be different. Jinx loves causing chaos. Perhaps it was a coping mechanism but now it’s just fun. She can do what she wants and not many people could stop her. The irony is that while you might think she’s hurting herself embracing being a jinx, she isn’t. If Powder ended up in Bilgewater, she would probably be literally eaten alive, whereas Jinx could rule at least some of it. She’d fit right in. Being a Jinx gave her a freedom nothing else ever has.

Vi, on the other hand, does the impossible. She finds purpose working as an enforcer. She makes a bridge between Piltover and Zaun. Despite being someone that doesn’t like enforcers, she’s able to be what both cities need. She says in S1 that the city is going to respect them. They do respect Vi. She earned that.

This is why Caitlyn is important to her story. She saw potential and viewed what many saw as flaws as Vi’s strengths. Vi’s brashness has angered many, but the most it could get out of Caitlyn is mild annoyance. Caitlyn gave her the chance to be far more than she thought she could be, and they earn the name “Piltover’s Finest.” It’s ironic that one of the finest enforcers Piltover has to offer is actually a Zaunite. Piltover and Zaun work together and amazing things happen.

This is exactly why Caitvi was a very popular ship. They are one of the few examples of if the relationship moved into a romantic one, it would only strengthen their story. Piltover and Zaun work together. A Piltover enforcer from one of the most respected families in topside government and a lowly Zaunite street rat (Vi’s words) start working together and the end result isn’t just efficiency. It isn’t just the results of what they can do. They don’t just work well together. They fall in love. They find happiness and comfort. A safe place in a world that has so few of them.

This is why I love Caitvi despite everything. Because that’s what it’s meant to be. That’s what it is without Arcane. What pisses me off to no end is that S1 set them up so well. The biggest element of S1 and the tragedy it shows is “what could have been.” Things didn’t need to go the way they did. Piltover and Zaun could achieve amazing things if they would work together. If Piltover would raise up Zaun, and come to defend them when they needed help. (Because they will eventually) If Piltover cared, and Zaun was willing to accept being with them, who knows that amazing things could happen? But that doesn’t happen. Caitlyn and Vi are the only people to do that. What better way to show that tragedy. Caitvi is an example of the “what could have been” morphing into “what is.” But only two women are capable of doing so. Out of two whole cities. Even Jayce and Viktor platonically doesn’t cause something like that for them. That’s tragedy. A stark reminder of how frivolous their conflict is, and what could await if it stopped.

Of course, just like Jinx, S2 destroys this, and based on what Amanda Overton says, it’s because she didn’t get her way turning them into a one night stand. Note that she loves talking about Caitvi but doesn’t at all mention what makes them so special storywise. Only Christian has alluded to it.

All of this to show what Jinx and Vi end up doing that separates them. Or rather, causes them to walk away from each other. Jinx finds joy in turning her complex thoughts into something simple. Vi finds her purpose in doing what most thought was impossible and still do even when they see her do it. (Ekko) But it puts them at odds with each other. As you said, they can’t be in each other’s lives authentically like this.

Or can they? That’s the part that S2 also misses. Jinx and Vi can be in each other’s lives. Jinx has a lot of barriers to do so. Caitlyn is a massive one. I talked about that a lot because it shows that she’s a massive and important part of Vi’s life and one Vi actually wouldn’t abandon for Jinx at all. It’s more than just Caitlyn, it’s her whole new life and purpose. Jinx still hates enforcers and hates Caitlyn on that principle alone. It would be interesting to have Jinx see that Caitlyn, an enforcer, is capable of doing what she isn’t, making Vi happy. (We do not see this in S2. We don’t see her realize this or what her overall feelings on Caitlyn are by the end. It’s simply about “cycle of violence.” Kill me) On top of Vi’s own mindset. Jinx is a direct opposition to it. Vi is order and justice, and Jinx is chaos and anarchy. They can’t be with each other.

But even then, Jinx finds a way. Jinx causes a lot of chaos but she also knows, and is kind of endeared, that Vi will try to stop and catch her. They are on opposing sides, but she can still have Vi in her life authentically. Jinx will cause chaos knowing Vi won’t be far behind when she does it. She will be there to catch her, but she will still be there. They may be against each other. Vi might be there trying to bring Jinx to justice, but she’s still there. Both in each other’s lives. It’s not perfect, but it’s enough.

And Arcane S2 annihilates all of this so they can make Jinx the favorite, inject drama (as Christian has admitted that drama was a priority) and self insert ideas that they personally want (Amanda’s lesbian one night stand) and throw away characters when they get bored. All of this to destroy the writing that the company they work for crafted. But why would they care? They have already admitted they don’t play or know the lore of League.

Arcane Season 2 is vile, spiteful and putrid. It destroys the world that allowed it to exist in the first place. You just pointed that out in so many words, even if you didn’t mean to. And we’ve only scratched the surface of the damage it did.

The tragedy of Jinx and Vi’s love.

Why they couldn’t be together.

note: first half is analysis, second half is criticism of the ending.

To me, The tragedy of these two sisters always stems from the fundamentals of their love and ideology. I think I don’t have to explain how the relationship of the sisters was pushed aside to prioritize the romance but I want to talk about this one specific thing:

The reason why Jinx and Vi could not be together.

By the end of season 1, Jinx outright said: “I thought maybe you could love me like you used to even though I’m different. But you changed too.”

This is about how they’ve both become different people. The versions of each other they once knew only exist in the past. Jinx was not wrong in saying this and it is a pretty valid desire to be loved as who she is not who she was. People change over time. To quote Cinema Therapy:

“When you choose to love somebody, you’re choosing to love a different version everyday, every month, every year. Cause if you just chose to love the original—like the one that you just met, the one that you first knew—you’re in love with someone who doesn’t exist anymore.

Vi is someone who in order to love someone, she must like that person too or at least they’re not conflicting with her moral ideology.

It’s conditional but a moral compatibility case.

while what Vi actually stands for is… a bit confusing, I’ll try to lay it down for us.

Vi’s morality is actually pretty complicated because it’s driven more by personal loyalty than a strict ethical code. She doesn’t operate by rigid principles like “good vs. evil” or “justice vs. crime.” Instead, her morality is based on who she loves and what she believes they deserve.

That’s why she can shift between being a criminal, an enforcer, and someone who brutalizes people in the undercity with no real crisis of conscience—she justifies violence and crime when it’s for the right people.

I’d say she doesn’t like violence. It’s a tool for her, something she’s good at to achieve her goal. That’s why she was horrified/concerned when she saw Jinx laughing her heart out killing people or when she saw Jinx give in completely to destructive rage.

Vi believes that people should fight for something. Violence should have a reason—whether it’s for family, for justice, or even revenge. It should be controlled, purposeful. This aligns with what Powder said to Ekko in S2E7. When Vi lost her purpose, that’s when she abandoned her moral ideology.

This moral compatibility issue is also why she struggles with accepting change. In S1E6 during their reunion, the first thing Jinx informed is about change. “I changed,” Jinx said and Vi immediately took it as "oh my sister must be just doing what it takes to survive.” Because this is what aligns to her. She said “me too” so she must have done things she was ashamed of in order to survive as well (even though we were never really shown what exactly Vi meant by this) even though just before Sevika outright says that Jinx works for Silco and that she’s like his “daughter”. But obviously Vi must have rationalized it as Powder just working for Silco in order to survive or Powder was forced to work as Silco’s super soldier.

Another example is when she asked Caitlyn not to change in S2. The moment Caitlyn starts showing signs of falling into destructive rage (like Jinx) is the moment Vi pulled her aside. Imo Vi stopping Caitlyn from shooting at the Janna temple is for Jinx, because she was shadowed by the glimpse of Powder in Jinx (like Ekko in S1E7) but if you think about it, Despite Vi’s true motivation, it was also true that Caitlyn could’ve shot Isha but Caitlyn couldn’t care less about that concern. Caitlyn’s moral ideology is shifting, that's why Vi was desperate to stop it.

She stopped seeing Jinx as her sister the moment she accepted the existence of Jinx. And she rationalizes it by completely separating the two entities.

“My sister is gone, there is only Jinx now.”

Because to Vi, a “sister” is someone to love.

"are we still sisters? (do we still love each other?) — nothing is ever going to change that".

to Vi, Jinx is not her sister. This is of course just a coping mechanism, I don’t think she fully believed in it.

“I’m done pretending you’re my sister, you’re not.”

It is also worth noting that Vi didn’t seek out Jinx after her crash out. Probably also because she thinks she doesn’t have a sister anymore. She never called Jinx her sister in S2, not once I think? The closest is circling through their parents.

“he’s your dad too.”

“at least they never have to see the psycho their daughter turned into.”

“do you remember them? (mom and dad)”

This contrasts with S1 how Vi constantly refers to Jinx as her sister.

“she’s my sister.”

”nothing is ever going to change that (we’re sisters).”

Season 2, in act 2 we were shown Vi starting to accept Jinx back as her family, like offering to stay at the commune or when in act 3 she freed Jinx from the prison. Vi did this I think because of what she said to Caitlyn before. Vi said Jinx has changed because she saw Jinx's interactions with Isha. I’m not saying Jinx has not but noticed that this is Vi’s reasoning to not jail Jinx which is… not really how crime works… an old crime is still a crime. But yeah, the point is that she believed Jinx had changed.

This is the fundamental of Vi’s love. She wants to love Jinx but she can't because Jinx directly conflicts with her moral ideology. By believing Jinx had changed for the better, she can compromise her ideologies, values, and love. Jinx’s soft side isn’t really new, we saw it with Silco throughout the entire series and when she reunites with Vi. It’s just more visible with Isha, Vi latches onto it as proof that Jinx has “changed” in a way that aligns more with her own values. It’s not that Vi is fully accepting Jinx as she is, but rather, she’s finding a version of Jinx that she can accept.

(Might also be why Vi forgave Caitlyn so easily because she thinks Caitlyn has turned back to the right direction)

That’s why that damn prison scene happened— I'm sorry… I’m sorry… this part is analysis… less complaining…

I have… my reservation about the prison scene but for focus discussion sake, I’ll leave it out of this post.

Anyways, that’s why Vi said the things she said at the prison scene. She went down to free Jinx without telling Caitlyn. This is how it goes. Vi says, “If you come, help, use all those explosive potentials of yours for good, maybe we can rewrite your story, like you did in Zaun, what do you say?” She put the key in the hole and waited for Jinx’s answer. And when and only when Jinx agreed did she unlock the key to hug her sister.

Vi here has a purpose, she wants to help Piltover in the war (how she gets to this is… a bit questionable but we’re not discussing that). She wants to free her sister but she wants to make sure Jinx has indeed changed like what she claimed to Caitlyn. This way she can keep both women in her life. She was going to use “Jinx said she wants to help” as an excuse to Caitlyn so that Jinx can be free and Caitlyn would pardon her action. Y’know while ignoring the fact her sister just lost a child—

right… less complaining…

When Jinx said, “you're never gonna give up on me, aren’t you?” It means that Vi is never going to give up believing Jinx can be good, Jinx can change for the better, Jinx can align with her moral ideology. I’d say it’s not an absolute truth since Vi did at some point believe Jinx is not her sister anymore but maybe Vi has changed into believing that Jinx can be “salvaged” after all.

Jinx

In contrast with Vi, jinx is someone who is able to love someone unconditionally. She can hate them, she can disagree with them, she can be angry at them, distrustful of them, but despite all of those seemingly conflicting feelings she will still love them unconditionally.

For a bit of comparison, we have Silco who also loved Jinx unconditionally. I’m not saying he’s a perfect father. He certainly projects a lot of his own feelings to her (but we’re not talking about his parenting today). Unlike Jinx, Silco could not hate the person he loved. Well we were only shown one person for analysis but… you can see that unlike Jinx who can be angry at him, distrust him, Silco was never shown to have those types of feelings to her. Maybe you can say his line is betrayal? seeing what Vander did to him and he outright said he hated Vander because of it but that doesn't really align with what happened with Jinx. The closest we can get to Silco getting angry at Jinx was in S1E4 but I think even then his frustration stems more from his concern for safety rather than he was angry for—for example, Jinx disobeying his order to stay put. Even until the end, Silco’s love for Jinx was unwavering. It’s really impressive at this point lmao.

Jinx’s love though unconditional is more volatile. She can hurt the people she loves on purpose. She interrogates Silco with his eye stabbing thing, she kidnaps Vi and Silco, she prepares an entire battle ground for her and Vi to battle it out.

Jinx has ideologies too. She’s morally questionable (in general) but she has her own boundaries. Killing an enforcer is fine, blowing up a building is fine, kidnapping your family to play russian roulette is fine. Joining enforcers though?? no no no, that’s a line. In my opinion this line isn’t so far fetched either considering the firelights were also distrusting of Caitlyn in S1. The only difference is that Ekko chose to trust Caitlyn because he trusted Vi and Vi said they could trust Caitlyn. He trusted Vi because Ekko doesn’t have trauma directly from Vi.

In S1, Vi calling Caitlyn “a friend” is a confirmation of Jinx’s fear. You can see she starts becoming hostile to Vi specifically after Vi said Caitlyn is a friend. I mean if you think about it, can you blame her lmao. Her sister who “betrayed” and abandoned her for 7 years says she’s back for her only to reveal she’s with an enforcer friend. How would she know Vi isn’t just lying? Not helping Vi once again left her in S1E7 (it’s complicated I know but we’re talking from Jinx’s perspective here).

And despite her distrust of Vi, Jinx still tries to reach out to Vi. It was a very messed up way of reaching out but an act of reaching out nonetheless.

Vi joining enforcers in S2 is a whole other creature of betrayal to Jinx. Not only does Vi work with enforcers, she also puts on an enforcer uniform and gas their home. You can see how visceral Jinx’s reaction was at this. She once again reminded Vi at the battle at the temple that this is the proof that Vi has changed.

And yet despite all of that Jinx always refers to Vi as her sister. Now she did disown Vi once in S1E3 but it’s more of out of anger at the moment because after the time skip we see that she goes back to referring Vi as her sister and shows longing for Vi even though Vi “betrayed” her and Silco teaching her “hard won lesson” with the belief that Vi betrayed jinx.

After the battle at the Janna temple, Jinx keeps tabs on Vi, Jinx watches her fights, bet on her, being the first one to reach out to her. We know that Jinx didn’t actually need Vi’s help finding Vander. Vi confirmed this but Jinx still sees Vi as her family despite all the things Jinx thinks about Vi. The—

“Throw in with Piltie goons who murdered mom and dad.”

”Which one (is the psycho)?”

In S2E3, even though Vi was wearing an enforcer uniform at the moment, Jinx still refers to Vi as her sister. The tag “sis” is mostly used in mocking ways throughout the show. It’s like Jinx found the fact amusing but there are times where she does use it affectionately like in S2E9.

Interestingly, their belief of love directly aligns with each other’s fundamentals while contradicting their own.

Jinx/Powder believed love is conditional. That’s why Powder was insecure about her place in the crew. Jinx believes love has to be earned—through usefulness, through being someone “worthy” of love. She has to prove herself so that she can secure this love. But when it comes to herself, no matter how angry she was at Vi, no matter how much Vi has changed, no matter how deep Vi is into joining the enforcer, Jinx will always love her, and will always see her as her sister. I don’t think Jinx realizes this, again she believed love is conditional. And tragically, she’s blind to the love that’s freely given (Silco’s) until it’s too late.

Vi, on the other hand, believed love is unconditional. She thought love should be unwavering—that it shouldn’t have to be earned. That’s why she insists she still loves Jinx, why she fights so hard to bring her back. That’s why at the tea party she answered Jinx’s question without hesitation.

“Are we still sisters?” — “nothing is ever going to change that.”

She believed this was the truth. Of course I love you, you’re my sister.

But deep down, she struggles with the reality that her love is conditional—she wants to love Jinx no matter what, but in practice, she can’t fully accept who Jinx has become. That’s why she’s speechless at the end. She wants to refute Jinx’s words, but she knows Jinx is right—her love hasn’t been unconditional the way she thought it was.

Their relationship fallout in S1E3 mostly because of circumstances (Piltover and Zaun problems). But their bond in S1E1–S1E2 was strong because in all those times the fundamentals themselves haven’t been challenged. Vi never struggles to love Powder unconditionally because Powder never directly conflicts with her moral ideology. The Powder I’m referring to is of course the idealized version of Powder in Vi’s mind. We know the girl had signs of redflags since she was a little. Powder never struggled to love Vi in general but her belief made her do the things that led to their fallout.

But because of this I would say it makes their second fallout even more tragic because had they grown up together, they might still be able to align their ideologies with each other. They might still be able to be together despite the core difference in their fundamentals as individual.

In S1E9, we see the result in full force. In my opinion the tea party scene will always have the same conclusion one way or another. It has been set in stone from the very start because the truth is that Jinx wasn’t trying to test vi, she was just testing her own hypothesis.

Because Jinx believed that love is conditional, she made two chairs that represent the idealized version of Powder and Jinx.

Her first mistake here is thinking that she herself could choose between Silco and Vi. At the moment, Jinx was angry at Silco because she thought Silco was planning on betraying her. That's why Silco was gagged and Vi was not because Jinx is making it an “us versus him” scenario. Vi was her first choice here. Vi just has to kill Caitlyn to seal the deal! easy right? (no baby, it doesn’t work like that).

Because that’s also another problem right? it’s not whether Vi loves both Jinx and Caitlyn and who Vi loves more. Jinx herself loves both Vi and Silco and Jinx is trying to make it seem like she can choose who Jinx loves more. Jinx will choose the person who can prove their love. The problem is not Caitlyn (poor Caitlyn lmao) the problem is Vi herself doesn't actually love Jinx. Jinx is trying to force love on someone who doesn't love her. she keeps testing vi (without vi knowing) by seeing, “if i do this, who will vi pick, if i do that, will vi be afraid?”

Vi will love someone whose moral ideology aligns with hers. The attachment comes second to her. Jinx already failed the main criteria. However Vi believes she loves Jinx and she WANTS to love Jinx that's why she can offer for them to just leave and never come back (aside from the fact that caitlyn was at gunpoint).

At the end, Jinx finally accepted this fact because Silco revealed that the Jinx seat should not represent the Jinx– Jinx thinks Silco wants but the current Jinx which was perfect for Silco. This revelation must have resonated with her. That’s why the tea party was a crucial moment of realization for Jinx. She realized that even if Vi had "chosen" her in that moment, it wouldn’t have been real. Vi would have been choosing Powder, not Jinx. And Jinx didn’t actually want to be Powder again. She wanted to be loved as Jinx.

They couldn’t be together because their ideology conflicts with each other. Their fundamentals prevent them from having a functional relationship. They couldn’t stand each other. Vi could never fully love Jinx the way Jinx wanted to be loved without trying to change her and Jinx will never be able to be loved by Vi while staying true to herself and will never be able to have a relationship with Vi without feeling rejected as an individual. This revelation is what made Jinx decide to cut their ties by showing Vi who she is now, a declaration of who Jinx is which was going directly against Vi’s moral ideology (of course it’s not the only reason but we’re focusing on the sisters). Jinx made a choice between her relationship and her individuality. And she chose her individuality.

okay I just want an excuse to put that shot in there.

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Alright complaining time.

I think that the show in S2 is trying to make a conclusion that the sisters can indeed be reconciled and can be together if not for the universe’s plan to divide them (S2E7).

The problem is that, if you think about it, it doesn’t really work.

S2E5 is trying to show us that look, these sisters can be together again! It’s just that the unfortunate event in S2E6 with hextech made them apart again!

First, this entire “Universe is trying to rip us apart—literally” is really boring. They can’t be together because fate says so. But whatever.

Second, from the breakdown I gave you about the prison cell scene, Vi is only willing to be a sister again because she believes Jinx has changed and it means Jinx can be aligned with her moral ideology if she tries hard enough. For now, she can compromise her love. It’s the “I can fix her” scenario. Which unfortunately still does not align with what Jinx wanted, which is to be loved for all the chaos that she is. This is not a reconciliation.

the show is trying to show us “look, they’re family again!” before Jayce blows up Viktor but the problem is that they haven’t actually TALKED. They’re circling around the problem without addressing the actual issue. Because if they did, they’ll have to dive into the pain and hurt and all of their fundamental differences. Jinx would demand Vi to stop trying to change her and Vi would be like–how is she supposed to not try to change Jinx? The girl bombed people for fun! If Vi and Jinx actually sat down and confronted their differences, they would realize they can't exist in each other’s worlds anymore. Not with all the hurt and trauma they have.

We as humans shaped our ideologies based on our experiences. It’s not something we can just undo. A good example is Vander and Silco. These two failed to reconcile because their ideology is incompatible with each other.

Now if you ask me I think they can be reconciled. They can be “okay” with each other.

They can reach a point where they tolerate each other, maybe even have moments where they get along, but it won’t be anything deep or truly fulfilling. It would be a surface-level connection built on nostalgia and a mutual understanding that they can’t go back, but they also don’t want to be enemies.

It’s kind of like when you reconnect with an old friend after years of growing apart. You still have love for them, and you can laugh and reminisce, but the fundamental bond isn’t the same because you’ve both changed too much. You’re not against each other, but you don’t fit into each other’s lives anymore.

For Vi and Jinx, this kind of reconciliation would mean avoiding the hard conversations. They could exist in each other’s orbit, maybe share a few rare, peaceful moments, but they would have to keep their real selves out of the relationship. And over time, as they continue down separate paths, that connection would weaken further. Eventually, all that’s left is distant affection—I love you, but I don’t know you anymore.

The Fatal Flaw

The show claims that Vi’s fatal flaw is that she can never give up on family, while Jinx’s is that she will always jump to save Vi. This is supposedly why they can’t be together. But this doesn’t actually hold up when looking at their actions across the series.

It’s not that I’m saying it’s like a bad idea. Hamartia/fatal flaw is one of the keys in building a tragic story. The problem with these fatal flaws is that one, they’re not consistent. Two, they’re not the direct cause of the sister’s doom.

Consistency?

“Vi can’t give up on family”

In S1, it wasn't that Vi is refusing to give up on Jinx as a person—she believed Powder was still there, buried under Jinx.

In S2E1, Vi outright says, “My sister is gone. There is only Jinx now.” She accepts this idea so fully that she joins the enforcers and is willing to fight against Jinx.

After Caitlyn leaves her, Vi never tries to find Jinx again until Jinx reaches out first.

If Vi truly never gave up on her family, she would have been actively chasing Jinx the entire season 2. But she doesn’t.

“Jinx pushes Vi Away for “Her Own Good” or “Always Jumping in to save Vi.”

Powder went to the cannery that night to prove herself that she is capable of helping, that she's ready.

Jinx spent most of S1 trying to make Vi stay, not pushing her away.

At the Janna temple, Jinx fought Vi out of anger. She actively trying to kill Vi in here.

Jinx was the one who reached out to Vi in S2 after watching her self-destruct for months. If she was trying to push Vi away, why would she reconnect at all?

You can say "well Jinx's fatal flaw is only there in S2Act3 because she changed as a character." Well then we can't call it a fatal flaw. Because a fatal flaw isn’t just a trait that appears late in the story—it’s something that is consistently present and actively leads to a character’s downfall. In Jinx it's like her need to constantly proof herself (which tied to her belief of love).

Are they the direct cause of the sister's separation?

In act 3 it was established that at this point, the sisters are good with each other. They’re not trying to kill each other.

The story is trying to force us to think that these fatal flaws are something that will lead them to their doom.

The first offender is the jail scene.

“Vi will never give up on Jinx. Jinx knows this and decides to push Vi away so Vi can be happy without her.”

First, Jinx was suicidal, her words are not to be taken at face value. Second The show frames Jinx’s choice in the prison scene as her “pushing Vi away so Vi can be happy.” But why? Because Jinx thinks she’s bad luck? Because “everyone who gets close to her dies”? This shifts the tragedy from being about their ideological divide to some vague supernatural jinxing idea, which isn’t how S1 built their conflict.

“whether I’m pulling the pin or not everyone who gets close to me dies.”

alright side rants:

I’m sorry but… this sounds like Jinx is staying away from Vi because bad luck just happens to follow her. Because she’s the cycle of violence?? I really don’t get this cycle tbh. Jinx thinks the cycle of violence is her jinxing stuff. A cycle of Jinx. She thought of this because Isha died in the previous ep (she’s not the one pulling the pin in this case). They’re saying the sisters can’t be together because Jinx believed she’s bad luck… and the world has proven so because the universe said so… okay man. It also has nothing to do with Vi’s supposed fatal flaw which is always chasing her family because… t-there is nothing wrong with that at this moment. They already established in S2E5 that Vi acknowledges Jinx as an independent person that doesn’t need her protection, it’s not like Vi just caters to Jinx all the time while in the commune.

What I could criticize Vi for here is the fact that she focused on bringing Jinx to the good side as opposed to just getting her sister the hell out of there and comforts her about Isha. But the show never addressed this as something to be criticized from Vi. Jinx thinks Vi is in the right to try pulling her back to the good side because she thinks she’s the worst human being on earth. The show is framing it as Vi’s mistake is… believing in Jinx…?

I give up… Let's just… move on to the second offender.

By S2E9, the show is trying to say that the conflict between Vi and Jinx has been resolved. They aren’t enemies anymore. They aren’t trying to push each other away. Y’know, because now Jinx has “changed” and now Jinx is “doing good” and helps the war like Vi wanted. So why are they still unable to be together? Why are they still doomed?

Let's examine this scene.

Vi crying over Vander’s body is meant to show she can’t let go of family. But this isn’t about Jinx—it’s about Vander, and it’s a plot hole since Warwick is supposed to be dead because Viktor is dead. The other puppet wasn’t revived then why did he? But then again Orianna is alive so now I’m just confused.

Jinx saving Vi is framed as proof that she’ll always risk herself for her. But what else was she supposed to do? Let Vi die? Any character in that situation would’ve acted the same.

Vi catching Jinx and Jinx forcing the gauntlet to let go is supposed to show their tragic cycle.

I’M SORRY BUT WHAT ELSE WAS JINX AND VI SUPPOSED TO DO?? EVEN IF THEY’RE NOT SISTERS, WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO JUST LET YOUR COMRADE DIE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS???

In reality. NONE of them made a choice. Either let yourself be killed or you die anyways but plus one your sister is NOT A CHOICE. It’s not a meaningful decision—it’s just survival. These aren't caused by their fatal flaws, ANYONE WOULD'VE DONE THE SAME.

None of these moments feel like real flaws because they don’t actually hurt the characters. Vi didn’t fail because she couldn’t let go of Jinx. Jinx didn’t suffer because she saved Vi. The show is trying to frame this as inevitable tragedy when, in reality, it’s just the plot telling us they can’t be together without actually showing why.

In S1, their tragedy was rooted in their clashing ideologies—Vi wanted to bring Powder back, but Jinx wanted to be loved for who she had become. That was compelling because it was character-driven.

In S2, the tragedy is reduced to some vague cosmic inevitability. They don’t split apart because of who they are or what they believe. They split apart because the UNIVERSE SAYS SO, which makes the conflict feel hollow.

S1: They can’t be together because they see the world too differently.

S2: They can’t be together because Vi chases and Jinx saves, and that’s just how it is.

This is frustrating because they already have the perfect reason for the sister’s tragedy.

Jinx: Why don’t you love who I am?

Vi: Oh my enemy, how could I ever let you down?

They're already tragic by nature, you don't have to force a tragic conclusion by inserting a “fate-driven” reason why they can’t be together.

#arcane critical #arcane criticism #arcane critique #jinx arcane #tragic my ass

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