#Hazbin ramblings

[anthurak]

Continuing on the topic of the possibility of a Charlie/Vaggie/Emily polycule*, I thought I’d discuss a few other thoughts on why these three could totally work together:

Assuming that Vaggie was originally human, and perhaps has even ‘become’ human again in a way with the removal of her wings, then these three together could represent an interesting thematic ‘trinity’ bridging Hell and Heaven: We have a Demon (Charlie), a Human (Vaggie) and an Angel (Emily) all coming together.

Next, and this could have some interesting implications for the next two episodes if we get a B-plot focused on Vaggie, given just how SIMILAR Charlie and Emily are, if Vaggie had to spend any amount of time with Emily, you can’t tell me she wouldn’t start falling for Emily too. Or that Vaggie trying to stay angry/jealous of Emily and failing miserably wouldn’t be completely hilarious.

Additionally, you know how Charlie’s and Vaggie’s character designs are clearly meant to subvert a lot of traditional gender norms? Like how Charlie is has a lot traditionally feminine/‘girly’ personality traits like being super upbeat, cheerful, friendly and kind, yet dresses exclusively in masculine clothes and is taller than her partner, while Vaggie has a lot of traditionally masculine/butch personality traits yet wears much more feminine clothing and is the shorter of the pair? Well imagine if Emily ends up following this trend if/when she joins Charlie and Vaggie in Hell?

Like say, Fallen-Angel!Emily ends up going PURE emo/goth/punk look, while of course remaining exactly the same upbeat, cheerful cinnamon roll just like Charlie that she was before. And maybe cheerfully dropping f-bombs left and right because she can swear now and thinks cussing is really fun!

*Speaking of which, have we settled on a ship name for these three yet? I realize ‘Chaggiem’ works well enough (and sounds amusingly similar to ‘requiem’ of all things) but personally I think ‘Unholy Trinity’ is pretty good. Alternatively, ‘Two and a Half Halos’.

[lalalalalalakakakak]

In episode 2 when Vox started freaking out about Alastor Val is like "yeah, go get him tiger".

And then Valentino went to find Velvette and they were just chilling together, waiting for Vox to finish his angry singsonging because they knew Vox would call an "emergency meeting" right after that. It does look like a routine to me.

This makes me wonder how many times has something like this happened before Alastor's 7 year absence?

Vox gets angry -> he goes into a fight/edgy song -> emergency meeting where Vox rants about it

[angst-king]

Yo hazbin fandom, Luci lovers, i don't care what ship you do with him but please. I wanna see more of Luci being a lil maniac. Yes I love him being a soft duck loving, gentle father but also....We all know he's crazy in more ways than one, right? I'm not the only one who thinks Luci is a bit of a lunatic and is genuinely an absolute sadist. I'm sure Luci would look so good losing his shit and killing someone or tearing them apart with his bare hands. He's the king of hell for christ sake! (this is not a dig, believe me I love all the luci content whether its Lucililith, Lucidam, Radioapple/Radioking)

I just wanna see a lil more of Lucifer having 1: a back bone and 2: a lil more of a sadistic streak

[inuhalfdemon]

I've seen people (more than a few) sharing fanart posting about how they forget to add in Alastor's antlers into the drawings and have to go back and fix it. Anyone else forget something when they are portraying him in art or fanfiction? For me, writing fanfiction, it's the VOICE. Kind of a small thing, maybe not as noticeable as antlers missing in a drawing, BUT it drives me insane to go back and see a whole Chapter or scene went by and I said nothing about it. Lol.

[truly-fantastic-me]

Okay, I love RadioBelle, but I can't see it happening (in canon compliant terms) via Chaggie breaking up lmao. They love the hell out of eachother and would kill and die for one another without a second thought. I can't see Vaggie with anyone but Charlie unless it's like an AU or something. Another idea was that Vaggie dies and then much later in the narrative, Charlie and Alastor become an item. But I have a much better idea.

Aromantic lesbian Vaggie in which Vaggie realizes that she is aromantic or on the aro-spectrum and she communicates that to Charlie, expecting it to end in tears and heartbreak. Then Charlie's like "Oh that's okay! As long as you feel comfortable doing what you do with me, I'm good if you are. I love you, Vaggie. Your attraction to me will not change that."

So they become queerplatonic girlfriends instead. And then later down the line, Alastor's 1930's ass will be like "You're with Vaggie and I may be a psychopath, but even I don't believe in interfering with committed relationships."

Charlie: Oh, well, Vaggie and I have actually been queerplatonic partners for a long time now and-

Alastor: Queer... platonic? What is that?

and now Charlie has to explain what queerplatonic relationships are and to convince him that they are not just regular friendships.

Warning: I am way too aroace to be dealing with shipping discourse bullshit so if you come at me with hate towards either ship, consider yourself automatically blocked.

[beanthebugboi]

Canon/Headcanon likelihood chart

So I've been thinking about @macdenlover 's "levels of headcanon" chart (about how heavily a HC is influenced by canon), so I decided to make my own scale about how likely a HC is to be true (including different levels of canon) using queer cartoon characters as examples :)

I just spent an hour making this because I was bored. Enjoy. Image description under the cut.

Inspiration:

ID courtesy of @hatreds-og-imagedescriptions (thank you!!)

[ID: a chart going from 10 to 1, with explanations of the ratings on the left and images of characters with queer flags and descriptions of said characters on the right.

10: "Explicit canon. Clearly stated in the original media." Trans Barney from Dead end Paranormal Park. "Barney says "I'm transgender"".

9: "Implicit canon. Never explicitly stated, but 100% canon in the original media". Nonbinary Raine from The Owl House. "Raine never says "I'm nonbinary," but uses they/them and is never referred to as a man/woman (also, confirmed by Dana)".

8: "Creator confirmation. Never stated in the original media, but confirmed canon by the media's creator". Aroace Lilith from The Owl House. "While never mentioned/implied in TOH, Dana has confirmed that Lilith is aroace".

7: "Heavily implied. Never confirmed, but likely true (either by canon evidence or creator implication)". Genderfluid Nimona from Nimona. ""Aaand now you're a boy" "I am today" (anyway, the whole movie has trans/GNC themes)".

6: "Possibly implied. Hinted at in the original media, but could be explained as something else". Trans Doofenschmirtz from Phineas and Ferb. "Doof COULD be transmasc, or the whole "raised as a girl" thing could just be for the bit".

5: "Fanon. Never confirmed, but generally accepted by the fandom". Aromantic Alastor from Hazbin Hotel. "While only confirmed to be ace, most of the fandom also sees Alastor as aromantic".

4: "HC with evidence. Headcanons supported by a dedicated fan's detective work". Bisexual Mabel from Gravity Falls. "People have noticed bi flag stickers hidden on Mabel's scrapbooks".

3: "Canon neutrality. Could be true, could be false, but overall makes sense and doesn't contradict the original media". Genderqueer Pleakley from Lilo and Stitch. "Maybe Pleakley is genderqueer, maybe he just wanted to crossdress for the mission, who knows? That's why it's a headcanon."

2: "I made it the fuck up. Based on vibes, has absolutely nothing to do with canon". Bisexual Megamind from Megamind. "No evidence, no explanation, he just has Disaster Bi™ vibes".

1: "Um? No? But go off. Directly contradicts canon (but who cares, that's why it's fun)". Trans Stanley Pines from Gravity Falls. "Even though flashback scenes prove Stan is AMAB, some people HC him as transmasc." End of ID.]

[miitopia-cake]

me looking for ace/aro characters: lets go gambling!

[character's sex repulsion is used for jokes] aw dang it

[character is put in sexual situations despite disliking it] aw dang it

[character's identity is ignored by fandom] aw dang it

[characters creators sexualize them] aw dang it

[aro character gets 'fixed' by true love] aw dang it

[aro/ace character is literally an animal] aw dang it

[creator messes up definition of asexuality] aw dang it

[characters asexuality is never brought up in media] aw dang it

[ruunkur]

Sometimes i think about how wasted the potential of heaven's reveal was in hazbin.

Blah blah. Ideas of how flipping season villains around

If they kept the Vees as the main villain in season 1, go through the season fighting them & claiming victory over them (sir pentious dies in the final battle against the vees).

You see the crew rebuilding the hotel & then you get the end clip of Sir Pentious appearing in heaven.

The extermination is moved up, because the sinners can't know they can be redeemed.

So s2 focuses on the heaven/hell fight & charlie learns that it is possible for sinners to be redeemed, but unsure how.

This would give more time to see & learn about the hellborn citizens & give time for the world to breathe before also introducing heaven.

Lucifer still plays a bit, but it's more so in the capacity of how the sinners are going after his daughter & he puts his foot down, because sinners aren't on the same level or whatever you wanna go with

[squishydem0ns]

"Is Vox inse-claw, purr-suing allure? Flitting between this cat and that, is nothing working?"

"IGNORE HIS CHIRPING!"

[a-little-ray-of-fantasy]

The five cutest, most wholesome characters in Hazbin Hotel will still look utterly terrifying the moment you are threatening their loved ones (or you're in stabbing range, in Niffty's case).

(Of course, Niffty isn't exactly wholesome. But she's cute, so she belongs here).

[anthurak]

You know it’s really interesting to imagine the rest of Hell’s nobility being introduced in Hazbin Season 2, specifically Charlie introducing Vaggie to them and being very open about their relationship.

Because I imagine the go-to expectation most of us have probably had for a while would be that the rest of Hell’s nobility would be looking down on Vaggie and by extension Charlie. You know, doing the typical ‘looking down on the heroine’s love-interest for being a commoner and the heroine for courting someone so beneath her’ plot.

Buuuuut, I think we have to consider how a certain reveal about Vaggie kind of COMPLETELY changes the calculus of this plot. Because Vaggie isn’t actually some ‘sinner commoner’, she’s a FALLEN ANGEL. And whichever way you slice it, that is going to be a BIG FUCKING DEAL for Hell’s nobility.

I mean, even the low-ball estimates of the status of fallen angels in Hell is probably that all of Hell’s nobility is are either former angels themselves or descended from them (note how Sera and Emily are anthropomorphic birds just like Stolas and other Goetia), which would effectively make Vaggie one of them.

And then we’ve got more high-ball estimates that could put the status of a Fallen Angel like Vaggie more on par with the likes of Lucifer and the other Deadly Sins.

Simply put, I HIGHLY doubt any plot point of Charlie having to introduce Vaggie and their relationship to the rest of Hell’s nobility is going to involve those nobles ‘turning their noses up’ and ‘looking down on them’.

Perhaps they might want to, particularly if Charlie’s relationship with Vaggie has been known up to this point, but if/when Charlie strolls into some grand ball arm-in-arm with a FALLEN ANGEL? Yeah, I’m pretty sure that is something the rest of the nobility kinda HAVE to take fucking seriously.

And of course that goes double if Fallen!Emily and Chaggily/Unholy Trinity becomes a thing XD

[shadebloopnik]

Alastor being a petty ass btch to the two people who did not want his ass back for the 3 seconds he's been back, icon

[willowshimmer]

Jesus Christ...

I had a theory that Vaggie was an exterminator but the fact how her eye got gouged out and destroyed is just brutal....

AND THEY DID JUST FOR THE FACT SHE DIDN'T KILL A KID! A CHILD! FUCKING HELL! HEAVEN IS BRUTAL!

Angel and Husk caring for Nifty is adorable. You can't hate it.

ALASTOR'S DEMON FORM IS BADASS! LIKE HOLY SHIT! ALSO HIS STAFF IS IN HIS HAND!

[onesidedradiostatic]

I'm thinking about the stupid fucking parasocial dynamic between sir pentious and alastor. I have questions

the fact that sir pentious says "again" in the pilot and him saying they'd done battle "like 20 times" in episode 2, was this just like. a regular thing he did even prior to alastor's disappearance. where he would just come in every other week to attack alastor while he was casually doing stuff and alastor just forgot each and every time.

also keep in mind sir pentious is from the VICTORIAN ERA, he arrived in hell before alastor. how. how long has he known him. how long had he been DOING this.

sir pentious being one of the chronologically oldest major characters really makes you think about how much he has seen or knows about LMAO

also the fact that he says "for when I've slain you the almighty vees will finally acknowledge me as their equal" was he just thinking of alastor just being generally powerful that it'd be cool if he defeated him or did he know the specific significance of alastor in the context of the vees. I also find it funny that he found out about alastor's return BEFORE vox, yeah if he delivered a dead alastor to the vees after 7 years I'm sure that would've been one fucking hell of a shock

[lost-romantique]

Never getting over the fact that this was originally supposed to be Blitz...

I think everyone knows the story of how Stolas was supposed to be an antagonist, but one of my favorite pieces of lore is that Blitz was originally just meant to be some comic relief villain that wreaked havoc at the Hazbin Hotel with his lackey (Moxxie).

But since the cast of Hazbin Hotel was getting so big, instead of scrapping Blitz and Moxxie altogether, Viv decided to design an entire show based off the both of them, in particular, Blitz.

~~~

Man literally went from looking like a candy cane to the hottest imp in all of Hell, and I love that.

And then Stolas went from being an antagonist to what was originally supposed to be a sitcom, to an eventual love interest for the main character.

Blitz is the reason Helluva Boss exists, and Stolas is what made the show what it is today.

And I just adore that, I love how both these characters play a titular role for the very foundation of the show.

[fridgewitch]

I JUST noticed that his shadow physically *pulls* him in. It actually grabs him before they descend, like it's making the decision for him.