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Oh. Reblogging purely for the idea of reembodied Finrod visiting Numenor, because a) I need a fic of that b) I don't think a fic that would work for me and be canon-compliant is possible :( c) John Tolkien WHY.
Numenor and Quenya
Elros was, presumably, captain of the Edain during the War of Wrath.
That's when the Edain took revenge for all their fallen leaders, and their efforts during the War of Wrath were the reason for the Valar giving them their own special island and extended lives.
By the end of the War of Wrath, Elros (and Elrond) were 53: considerably older than their parents were when they were ruling the Havens. Definitely not children. It's difficult to see how Elros could have become leader of the Edain if he had sat the war out, and since we know Elrond was there to see Thangorodrim broken (he mentions it in LOTR) there's no reason to suppose Elrond and Elros were not there leading Men in the War of Wrath as soon as they were old enough. So regardless of how Elros felt about Maedhros and Maglor (I like him to be fond of them myself), Elros probably decided on Quenya as his Royal Language because he'd spent the last 20-30 years fighting side by side with Finarfin and his Noldor host, who came to fight the War of Wrath, then spent years after that settled beside them after the war while everyone was building ships to go West: whether that was to a new home, or an old one.
Early Numenor, Elros-era Numenor, was regularly visited by Elves bringing gifts from Valinor.
Some of them might be Teleri, or members of the Vanyar host that also fought in the war visiting old friends and their families. But the Teleri have nothing against Quenya. They provided the fleet to take Finarfin's Noldor and Ingwion's Vanyar to the war. But Elros is not only the heir to Doriath, he's also Idril's grandson. Turgon's particular friend was Finrod Felagund, and even if you don't think Finrod was re-born in time to visit the heir of Beren, you can see that Finrod's parents would have a great interest in Turgon's descendants. So many children of their family have been lost! Turgon was their eldest son's best friend, born in the same year!
The Noldor of Aman were never banned from speaking Quenya, never switched to Sindarin. Quenya is a living language, in Valinor. So I think the use of Quenya in Numenor is a remnant of that early time when Numenor felt culturally more part of Valinor than it did Middle-earth.
#because I would be sad if that fic had Finrod not influenced by athrabeth#I just can't internalize “athrabeth is not canon”#but also it would absolutely break Numenor's cultural landscape I think#Finrod is good at talking#and they were obsessing over the Gift of Men anyway just in the wrong direction#it just—#it's too relevant to not think about it#but also it could not work with the canon no matter what#but this situation just this situation…#I need Finrod talking with the Numenorians about eschatology#but also we cannot do this#because it would very likely prevent too many of the problems#iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmppppppppppfffffffffff......... *sad squeeing*#finrod felagund#finrod is awesome#athrabeth finrod ah andreth#all the good finrod tags#yes he did a kinslaying but otherwise he's just awesome#anyway#silm#the silm#the silmarillion#silmarillion#+ prev tags:#numenor#quenya#War of Wrath#cultural interchange in Numenor#[well ok if a very skilled author made a fic for this it could *cause* said problems due to misinterpretation...#but for this they need to stop talking to the Elves and why would they in this scenario???]
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finrod deserved better
#dfw talking bout ‘what if finrod was a mass hallucination’ and I was simultaneously entranced and repulsed because#What a brilliant idea but#Also that would mean no finrod. And finrod. Finrod is just too for that#Aw come on he’s a good older brother and a tragic lover and a fun guy but he… he didn’t really get anything he wanted.#I think he was sad#yet he did so much good#And let’s be fair did he do much wrong#He didn’t speak about alqualonde to Thingol but that’s grey moral area#He asked before seizing lands#good. He let feanorians take asylum there#great.#He gave and kept a noble oath#fantastic. Also he ate a werewolf#plus the rap battles#What would he have done if he wasn’t thrown into a war. That’s how I see him#like any military volunteer#he just wants to do his service#It takes so much more than it gives#blah blah anyway#Finrod#finrod felagund#finrod appreciation post#Findarato#silmarillion#silm#the silmarillion#the silm#tolkien legendarium
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i miss the time when "sweet", "shiny" and "naive" weren't the adjectives frequently used to describe finrod felagund of all elves
#not to be that person#but i miss descriptions of finrod who doesn't even need a crown to feel like a true king in the eyes of other people#finrod who laughs in sauron's face even under torture#finrod the-wisest-of-the-exiles finrod the philosopher finrod the believer#(believer not in ephemeral goodness but in his own well-polished logical system of (moral) convictions he talks about in athrabeth!)#also: kind is NOT synonymous with sweet#tolkien#the silmarillion#finrod
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Curufin and Tyelko reflect on how to deal with explaining the kinslayings to their daughters.
Introducing my oc's:
Post-reembodiment Curufinrod baby: Italmë* Ríëlairë (I'm naming the way I did when I was ten, by putting things together and hoping the dictionary is correct! It should mean Sparkling Blessing, and Summer Crown)
Everyday someone thanks Eru for the fact that she wasn’t born in the first age, girlie is feral! If Tyelpe is the best parts of Curufin and Finrod then she is the worst of them, but for everyone’s well being she was also born when Curufin and Finrod are at their best and most stable so instead of murder and destruction she is merely mischievous.
Curufin is rather upset that neither of his kids got his eyes.
(*: Father name slightly pending, my original idea was Italinquë, the Ita being non-negociable as it's meant to be a connection to Itarille/Idril, but linquë could be hyacinth, grass or wet, and while I think I could argue for grass I don't think I can for wet, other options being: Itarinya, Itelena/Italena, and Ithilmë)
And Post-reembodiment Aretyel baby: Mírestel Áraiel (should be Precious Hope, and Daughter of Dawn)
Aredhel and Tyelko fully decided not to get married (yes I am disregarding LaCE) and everyone got very confused when they anounced they were expecting (and Turgon very violent)
The birth gets Aredhel emotional because her whole family is with her this time.
Áraiel has a mean look, and considering Maeglin and Tyelko, a lot of people on first meeting think she’s a cruel person but she’s really nice and helps keep Riëlairë in check, again she is getting her parents at their best and stable, but she’s also getting Maeglin at his best and stable and so she really likes her older brother.
(This prompts her to become a smith which leads Tyelko to joke that Curvo is stealing his kids, plural)
Also, everyone decides on very special and meaningful names meanwhile Curvo just pulls a Nerdanel and goes "Look at my baby, it's the most beautiful baby, everyone should just look at the baby I made!"
Better background and no writing under the cut:
#silmarillion#curufinrod#curufin/finrod#curufin#celegorm#tyelkormo#aretyel#aredhel/tyelko#feanorians#everyone expected Maeglin to take it badly#but he’s doing better mentally and he and Feanor had a good talk about half-sibs#the one that actually ended needing some time was Tyelpe#like ‘why does she gets the stability i never had??’#he does come around of course#he just needed some cathartic cries with his dads#feanor absolutely claims he has 6 grandkids#fingolfin protests loudly#teen Rie’s hair looks like blond Merida#my ocs#oc#ocs#how does anyone color on procreate??? i feel like dying#my art#aredhel/celegorm
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Things the Finwëans have definitely said about other Finwëans, PT 1:
Angrod: Caranthir? More like "Crack-anthir".
Fingolfin: Curufinwë isn't even salty at this point. He's just upgraded to "ocean cocaine" now, which probably isn't something I should be joking about because he'd invent it.
Finarfin, seeing Finrod as a newborn fresh from the womb: My Eru, he clearly doesn't have my genes!
Finrod: You see, Tyelkormo is a nice person at heart. You just have to... force yourself to see the good in him. Like, just peel the layers of his heart until you're left with nothing.
Celegorm: Arkáno? Who's he, some spawn of Uncle Nolofinwë?
Aredhel: Oh, Artanis? Well, yeah, when you see her, she's all about fire and swords and stuff, but really, she's about fire and sparkly dresses.
Turgon: Circles? I love circles, especially circle theorems! ...Oh, we're talking about family trees?
Fëanáro: Irissë is the daughter I never had. And no, I did not kidnap her when she was a child, despite everything her father may say.
Caranthir: Last night, I dreamt that Artarestro had me arrested for tax-evasion, which is funny because I never pay taxes.
Galadriel: When I found out that Kanafinwe actually survived, I was surprised. Mainly because I expected him to die.
Elrond: When I came to Valinor, I was shocked when I saw my family. But that's because I expected them to be in the Void.
Maedhros: One thing I hate about being the eldest is that everyone assumes I order the babies around. I do not. The babies order me around.
#jrr tolkien#tolkien#silmarillion#the silmarillion#the silm#the silm fandom#elrond#maedhros#fingon#maglor#angrod#argon#caranthir#fingolfin#nolofinwë#aredhel#finrod#feanor#curufin#celegorm#turgon#finarfin#galadriel#tolkien povs#finweans#house of finwe#finwe#orodreth
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does the Oath of Feanor work as a magical compulsion, or does it have magical properties, and are its consequences real?
yes, because the magic of Arda is also based on words of power, and it would be dissatisfying and limiting to assume that somehow that power doesn't work in this specific instance. no, because even if Feanor is the one speaking, not even his power could bend the fate of elves to that extent. yes, because the fate of any one people can be bent, delayed, or weirdly modified until an oath is fulfilled; in LOTR, the ghosts of the path of the dead prove it. no, because Manwe and Varda would not feel bound to enforce an oath of death with them as witnesses, and it goes against the rules of oathing. yes, because the enforcer is Eru, they just stand as witnesses and do not have the power to release the swearers as Eru would. no, because we don't even know if Eru accepted that oath. yes, because if the oath was invalid from the start, it would be beyond callous of Manwe and Varda not to inform the swearers and allow the consequences of the oath to happen. no, because a magical compulsion would remove or to an extent at least lessen responsibility of actions taken in its pursuit. yes, because the author of the story acknowledges a certain "will" of the oath by making it wake or sleep with active verbs. no, because even swearing without additional magic on top can feel like a compulsion to do things or to keep going that otherwise would not exist or not be felt by a given swearer. yes, because no matter what the everlasting darkness is or does, it can be real independently from any other prior compulsion to act; in other words, there may not be a magical property to the oath, but its called consequences for the swearers are very real. no, because there's several slightly different versions of the oath across the texts, and it's impossible to do a literal, word for word reading of its lines if it's possible to recite it slightly differently at a given time. yes, because the only valid version is the original pronounced by Feanor in Tirion, you can't wiggle out of that one. no, because who's to say that was recorded correctly, it's far too poetic for a sudden decision. yes, because who's to say that Feanor couldn't whip out all that via improvisation, I bet he could. yes, because other characters beyond the sons of Feanor treat the oath as something absolutely serious and real, and that includes Finrod in speaking to Andreth, when he says that Eru's name is not called upon even in jest, as well as Melian, when pointing out the strong forces awakened by involving that power. no, because neither of them can talk to Eru anyway. yes, because it's narratively more satisfying to imagine characters morally struggle against something that is eventually unbreakable and unavoidable like in any good tragedy. no, because it's narratively more satisfying to imagine characters do it to themselves and compromise with who they are out of family loyalty. yes, because the curse of Mandos actively turns it against the swearers into a betraying force, a consequence that wouldn't otherwise be a given, that is, nothing says that everything they start well would have finished badly and that the oath would have led them to defeat, and if it weren't magical before Mandos' addition, it is now. no, because Amrod's death in a draft would prove it breakable through his (admittedly only guessed) desire to turn back. yes, because he still died in the process, aka the everlasting darkness claimed him for being an oathbreaker. no, because how is it possible that it's simultaneously unbreakable and broken. yes, because the fate of arda and that of elves is inscribed within the eternal paradox of everything being predicted and everything being free will, and that will never be solved, neither regarding the fate of the elves nor the oath of Feanor. no, because the oath is a narrative device. yes, because the oath is a narrative device. three hundred more lines.
hope this helps. hope it doesn't. your pick.
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My new favorite Halenthir idea:
Haleth does battle, meets Caranthir, feels some feelings, heads west per canon and eventually reaches Brethil...and becomes acquainted with Finrod Nom Felagund as he tries to talk his kinsman into letting the Haladin settle in the area.
At some point, Haleth and Finrod are talking and he compliments her on her mastery of elvish languages, and she's like "oh yeah, the lord of Thargelion and his people taught us". (Note: this is not the AU where Caranthir only teaches them Quenya.) And Finrod's like, "hey, that's my annoying grumpy cousin!"
And they chat about Caranthir a bit, because Haleth also thinks Caranthir is annoying and grumpy and is willing to joke back and forth with Finrod on the subject, but she's not willing to go along with it once she feels that Caranthir is being insulted/mocked. And somewhere along the line Finrod clocks that "oh, there's something going on here".
Which is confirmed when, at one point, she mentions that Caranthir wanted her to stay and as good as proposed marriage.
She's about to reel off her usual list of rationalizations for why she couldn't possibly have, but Finrod gets there first with "oh, but of course it was for the best in the end that you left him, elves and Men are just too [dramatic gesture] metaphysically different to ever be together, it's always destined to end in tragedy", and basically tries to Athrabeth her.
Except that Haleth doesn't particularly care to be Athrabethed. Like, yes, she made the choice to do what needed to be done for her people instead of what she maybekindasorta wanted, but that was her choice. She's not really into this smarmy know-it-all elf patiently explaining to her like she's a child that she can't have Caranthir because ~*Fate*~ said so.
And, well, her people have a safe home now. Her sister-in-law will make a good enough peacetime leader until her nephew is grown up.
So she gathers the Haladin, explains what she's going to do. Most of them, naturally, opt to stay in Brethil, but a few adventurous or Thingol-averse sorts join her on the trip she ends up making back to Thargelion.
Where she marches up to Caranthir and essentially says, "I'm going to marry you to spite your irritating blond cousin."
Which is the best reason Caranthir has ever heard of for doing anything.
(They're married for like seventy years and ridiculously happy and in this one, Caranthir's brothers find out fairly early on because he won't stop sending smug letters to Finrod every year with updates on his marriage to his amazing adaneth wife and sketched peredhel baby pictures and so forth.)
#silmarillion#halenthir#caranthir#haleth#finrod#i'm not super nice to him in this one sorry#i do like him in general i think he's a good person#i just disagree with his elf x human philosophy strongly#also this is filtered through haleth so...#just...my peak halenthir vibe is that once they're past bickering phase and on the same page#they are defiantly happy together specifically to spite the rules and norms and naysayers
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Finwëan Popularity Taxonomy
This isn’t about the extent of popularity different Finwëans have during the Ages of Trees, it’s about the type of popularity. Who is the most popular depends entirely on the lens you’re using. (Headcanon entirely, vibes entirely, no canon basis.)
Finrod: Finrod is the kid at school who found you crying in the bathroom and stayed and listened to you and bought you lunch and you went outside to sit on the grass together and just talk, and suddenly your bad day was a good day. Finrod is the kid where everyone at school either has a story like that or has a friend who has a story like that. He’s not the star or the trend-setter, but everybody likes him.
Fingon: Fingon has high-school-football-star-who’s-actually-nice vibes. Effortlessly popular. The kind of guy that, one time he smiles at you and says something nice and you’re giddy for a week.
Maglor: Maglor is not operating on a high-school level. Maglor is rock star popular. Maglor is Taylor Swift popular. Maglor has a fandom that includes a large fraction of Valinor.
Fëanor: Fëanor is Elon Musk (pre-Twitter-purchase) popular (not saying anything in terms of his personal similarity to Musk, just the type of popularity): has incredibly passionate fans who think he’s the answer to all the world’s problems, and equally passionate detractors. As a bonus, after the First Kinslaying he has post-Twitter-purchase Elon Musk popularity: passionate fans fewer and more unhinged; less unhinged fans beginning to question; detractors more numerous. After Losgar, doubts spread even among his own followers.
Fingolfin: After becoming acting ruler of the Noldor, is Jed Bartlet (The West Wing) popular. If you asked people for their favourite Finwëan, most wouldn’t name him, but he’s got the respect earned by a leader who does his job well and makes peoples’ lives simpler, and if you suggest replacing him with someone else you’ll rapidly find out how much people don’t want that.
(Turgon in Middle-earth is the most similar to his father. Turgon is mayor-you-like popular. Everyone’s met him; if you raise an issue with him, it will be addressed or you’ll end up with a new perspective on it. Or both. Gondolin is excellently administered. Gondolin does not have potholes.)
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A very important update to my Maglor = Erestor, Finrod = Gildor, and Daeron = Lindir post.
They all take shifts as the Tra-la-la-lally elf.
Gildor thinks it's delightful and uses it as a chance to talk to all the valley's visitors. He actually uses some of his free time to teach Glorfindel some basic bard skills. Glorfindel is surprisingly into it.
Lindir refused to at first because he's composed full symphonies before, why should he spend his time on that, but then Gandalf accused him of being too afraid to improvise rhyming lyrics and the challenge was on.
Erestor just desperately needs some Tra-la-la-lally in his life. He's also re-learning to sing without making everyone around him experience the horrors. It's good practice.
Elrond, who arranged this, thought it was a master stroke because surely, if they have to talk to each other about Tra-la-la-lally duty, they'll realize, right?
They've all become pretty good friends over the years, and spend plenty of time together! They still have no idea.
Thranduil's gotten in on the betting pool. He's betting on it taking divine intervention.
#silmarillion#silm headcanons#rivendell#imladris#maglor#erestor#finrod#gildor#daeron#lindir#elrond#glorfindel#gandalf#thranduil#tra la la lally elf#this is a tragedy for Elrond and a comedy for everyone else
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I'm not saying that the unnamed "Messengers from Manwë" that spoke with Tar-Atanamir were: Eonwë (to make it look official), Olorin (good people skills), and Finrod (good "talking to Men about their mortality" skills), but they very much were.
(Ok, I'm not fully convinced about Eonwë, because he's scary and bad at diplomacy. Plus there probably were some others)
#silm#silmarillion#tolkien legendarium#the silm#the silmarillion#numenor#tar-atanamir#olorin#gandalf#finrod#finrod felagund#eonwe
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Modern AU: Sugar Daddy | My Sugar Daddy Loves Me
Headcanon: Maglor, Finrod, Ecthelion, Thingol, Elrond
Request: Hi Mina I hope you doing well could you please write a part 2 of your sugar daddy au? With Ecthelion, Maglor, Finrod, Elrond and Maeglin - Anon
A/N: Not gonna lie, I had a hard time envisioning Finrod as a sugar daddy since I link those who are Daddy/DILF material as a sugar daddy. He seemed so aloof as a sugar daddy and more like Friends with Benefits lol.
Warnings: a female-focused reader, smut, breeding/creampies
➽ Part 1 | Part 2
➽ Modern AU Series
‧₊˚ ☁️⋅♡𓂃 ࣪ ִֶָ. Maglor
➽ He’s a world-renowned pop star who is beloved by everyone, and you are his lovely darling he met during a backstage meet and greet when he slipped his number into your back pocket and whispered, ‘Call me.’
➽ Of course you called him because that’s how you receive gifts on your doorstep after every performance he has, world tours, or when his albums go platinum. You are the mysterious lover that his fans talk about because of paparazzi.
➽ For the most of your dynamic shared with him, you are kept a secret because, to him, it makes everything more thrilling. All those posts of him on vacation or tours with snips of your hands, legs or back, or the albums being written about you, make everything invigorating.
➽ On the days when he does return from touring, you are showered in affection abundantly. Necklaces and anklets with your name or his name, dozens of roses, lingerie, the latest fashion wear, a lump sum of money floating into your account and some days between the sheets.
➽ Plus, that pretty black credit card in your back pocket feels incredibly heavy with all the financial opportunities it’s allowing you to make. It doesn’t bother him with you swipe his card to make your purchases because he has lots of trust in you (please don’t rob him).
➽ The dynamic between you both differs from the others who would reward you for excelling at your job or studies. With Maglor, he’ll reward you for being silent as he takes you in the recording booth during breaks, support him during his concerts, and when he wins awards.
➽ Apart from dropping all the materialistic gifts on you, Maglor takes him time to worship you from head to toe. You are, after all, the inspiration behind his best-selling albums, and he has inserted your moans as background vocals on some of his songs.
➽ A passion lover you got as a sugar daddy with an oral fixation (best his mouth). He has to show you how talented those lips are; singing isn’t all that he can do with his tongue. Plus, he’s also a guitarist, so let the realisation sink in with those fingers.
‧₊˚ ☁️⋅♡𓂃 ࣪ ִֶָ. Finrod
➽ Right off the bat, his type of sugar daddy isn’t for pleasure purposes and it’s the last reason why he was willing to care for you. He just wants someone to spoil and spend lots of time with because he’s rich and lonely in his mansion.
➽ Being spoilt is something you never have to question because he’s eager to be your sugar daddy even though he doesn’t consider himself as one. He’ll just tell you that he’s a good friend helping another friend out while handing you his unlimited credit card and a bunch of gifts.
➽ The adventurous type to call you up in the middle of the night and TELL you that he already booked you all a flight a trip to a tropical island for two weeks filled with various fun activities. The idea that you have classes or work tomorrow doesn’t sink in until you’re reminding him.
➽ It’s a frequent occurrence with him visiting/calling at early hours to check out new places in the city or for you to come over because his giant house is lonely. At some point, you are living in with him and all the maids have become familiar with you.
➽ If you’re a college student, you are funded, and yes, he does have an interest in your academics. However, he’s a lot more understanding if you fail a course because he’s the reason (making you miss classes with those trips); he might suggest dropping out and letting him permanently care for you because he can also get you a decent job without a degree.
➽ As I mentioned, pleasure isn’t something Finrod is interested in during the agreement. That’s something you would have to initiate one night as you’re relaxing in bed or returning from dinner. Take the lead and make him rethink his agreement to incorporate it often and scrap the ‘friends’ talk.
➽ He isn’t someone who becomes stressed, so if anything, you’re the one who’s getting the rough sex when you’re stressed. He is happy to help because if you’re keeping him company, he has to return the favour with an open mind. And trust me when I say, he’s good at what he does but acts casual as if he didn’t strip away your ability to walk.
➽ At least your time being his sugar baby will be fun and filled with excitement, something that outshines the finances and pleasure he blesses you with. His desire for companionship helps to make the dynamic between you two worthwhile.
‧₊˚ ☁️⋅♡𓂃 ࣪ ִֶָ. Ecthelion
➽ Responsible for marketing some of the most valuable gemstones around the world; mostly invested in the diamond stock market. The first time you met him and stepped into his house, you noticed how much he was obsessed with the gemstone. You don’t complain because it’s what he gifts you whenever you perform well for him.
➽ He covers all your tuition expenses and living commodities and gives you one of his unlimited credit cards to shop for your heart's desires. In return, you must bring home good grades (he’ll tell you what’s good) and keep up your good reputation. He doesn’t want you to ever tarnish your reputation.
➽ Ecthelion is wealthy and educated, so he doesn’t mind getting involved and invested in your field of work or degree program. Depending on what it is, he’ll extend his knowledge, but if he doesn’t know, he’ll make attempts to get you good connections to boost your career.
➽ So long as you maintain your good grades and reputation, you’re in it for life. He’s taking you vacations to tropical islands, opera shows, shopping sprees, buying you the most expensive jewellery sets and clothes. You will be rocking the best designer clothes, Ecthelion isn’t standing for you wearing simple clothes.
➽ Of course, when you perform excellently for him, he will return the favour with more than just trips and money. He established in the beginning that he was seeking companionship during your deal, and as much as he wanted to keep things professional, something about the red lipstick you adore wearing sucked him in.
➽ Perhaps allowing you to give him a blowjob under the table in his office during a quick visit and leaving lipstick smeared all over his cock made him change his mind about keeping things professional. He was pleased when you agreed to make the relationship more intimate than hugs and kisses.
➽ He wastes no time whenever he’s stressed to relieve himself through you (with your consent). You’re his little stress reliever, and in return, Ecthelion doesn’t mind letting you use him to beat your stress. Sex is rough and steamy between you both. You are getting bent over countertops, work desk, pressed against the wall, he’s hungry beneath his professional demeanour.
➽ While he is a formal and sophisticated gentleman, and he would not touch you inappropriately in public, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t purchase you vibrator panties and plugs. You’re sitting beside him during a conference meeting and he’s causally playing with the speed on his phone, making you cum.
‧₊˚ ☁️⋅♡𓂃 ࣪ ִֶָ. Thingol
➽ This sugar daddy is drifting over to the DILF side of things and do not be fooled by his silver hair, he isn’t old, he’s simply trendy and into the latest fashion styles. Giovani, Armani, Dior, Marco Polo, Ralph Lauren and the list goes on. Thingol is an old-money type of sugar daddy, and he adores showing off his wealth to you.
➽ To be honest, Thingol really want to be your sugar daddy because he saw you and liked you. At the time, you were a broke college student or young worker struggling in the business world who used the opportunity he was providing to build your career and status.
➽ Thingol doesn’t care about all that (at first), but he does ensure all your needs and desires are met. Tuitions paid, loans cleared, no negative credit score or empty bank account. You’re the rich student on campus or your job that everyone is jealous of because he makes sure the world knows you’re spoilt by rolling up in some custom Rolls Royce or Bently.
➽ Your unlimited credit cards weigh a ton in your pocket, but who cares because you’re rich and being pampered as you deserve? Of course, nothing in life comes for free and without payment. Thingol might carry some age because he has a fully grown child, but he isn’t old.
➽ He makes it clear that he would enjoy being intimate and seeking companionship in return for the wealth spent on you. Do you decline, of course not (you can’t, or you’ll end up poor again).
➽ Thingol is the definition of old is the new young. This man has the stamina to last for a lifetime and makes sure you’re always satisfied. He can be stingy and demand that you give him more attention (he’s a receiver more than a giver). You’ll have to catch him in the right mood for him to be on the giving end.
➽ But still, you can’t complain because you’re getting good dic—. Anyway speaking of spoiling you, he adores whenever you’re completely decked out in lingerie for him, i.e. just all the jewellery he bought for you and nothing else.
➽ He does have a slight breeding kink, but it isn’t intending to want children, so you have nothing to worry about. Thingol just enjoys the sight of prettying his sugar baby.
➽ Know that he’ll gift you some necklace or ring that informs everyone that you’re his and no one else’s. If you ask him if it means he’s proposing, he’ll reply with something along the lines of, “You’re already mine princess, wedding ring or not.”
‧₊˚ ☁️⋅♡𓂃 ࣪ ִֶָ. Elrond
➽ DILF number three and it makes perfect sense since he’s a descendant of many DILFs (Fingolfin, Turgon, Thingol). But Elrond doesn’t mind being someone’s sugar daddy, though his intentions are more for genuine purposes. If you want more, you’re gonna have to do all the work to show him that it’s more than paying your tuition and giving you money.
➽ Nevertheless, he covers all your expenses and demands that you perform excellently in your field of study or job. Elrond would even go out of his way to personally teach you (and no, I don’t mean bending you over the desk type of teaching) to ensure success is at your fingertips.
➽ This man is the most passionate and dedicated sugar daddy who cares about your well-being to a great extent. He’s well-rounded, so he’s fulfilling all your needs and wants, health, education, finances, basic commodities and living expenses. Please don’t disappoint him by failing your classes, he’s pulling all his money into the best tutors.
➽ In return for your devotion and passion for excellence, you are getting spoiled but not like the others. Elrond doesn’t mind giving you money or taking you on shopping sprees or trips around the world, he simply doesn’t want you dependent dependent on him to always provide since he’s building you up to become your own boss and financially secure.
➽ He’ll spoil, but not to that extent. Such a philosophical man, teaching all about life and how to be independent and headstrong.
➽ Now, as I’ve previously mentioned, if you want him to take you to bed, impressions are everything. Elrond’s the type to get impressed by your sense of elegance, sophistication and linguistics. Show him how skilled your tongue is, and he’ll be wanting more. No doubt he’s rewriting the contract in his mind.
➽ He has kids and knows how to ramp in between the sheets. In his state, he probably isn’t interested in more given his desire for companionship, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t going to be giving out creampies. The sight of it is his catalyst for wanting to give you more and keep you up all night.
➽ He’s a gentleman in the streets and will incapacitate you in the sheets. Tricks up his sleeves despite having an old fashion appeal about him. Give him a dance dressed in some pretty lingerie—nothing overly fancy, he likes elegance and simplicity—while he sips on whisky or brandy in a button-down shirt and his tie lazily discarded around his neck.
➽ Treat him well because running multiple companies is tiring, so relieve his stress while he relieves yours and you’ll be the happiest sugar baby ever.
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Some Celeborn/Galadriel Headcanons
Wrote these as part of the 30-Character Study I'm doing for the @silmarillionwritersguild Jubilee Challenge on my Dreamwidth
Celeborn's Early Life and His Courtship of Artanis
Celeborn, second son of Galadhon, was born on the Great Journey by the mouths of the Anduin near Greenwood (then a much larger forest).
His mother was among those who forsook the journey with Lenwë before the crossing of the Misty Mountains. Celeborn followed his father and brother Galathil onwards, being kin of Elwë, but he never forgot the place of his birth where his family was divided. Regretting somewhat his choice, there was no question for Celeborn that he would remain in Beleriand after Elwë went missing.
Celeborn’s father Prince Galadhon was Thingol’s chief counsellor. While his elder brother Galathil took to a private, woodland life after the First Battle with his wife and their daughter Nimloth, Celeborn followed in his father’s footsteps, gaining much respect and influence in the court of Doriath.
He was sensitive to the needs and thoughts of others and had a gentle manner that put people at ease. For this reason, he often acted as an intermediary between Thingol and the Sindar outside Doriath who still called him King. Celeborn was highly respected among the Sindar, even those who dwelt in the north and did not acknowledge Thingol’s overlordship.
He enjoyed spending time with his brother’s family and being an uncle to Nimloth (and she loved him dearly), but Celeborn had no strong desire to marry or start a family of his own. While he had a few lovers over the years, he was very private about his romantic life and never led his lovers to believe he was interested in marriage.
With his approachable yet regal manner, grace, and handsome appearance, there was no shortage of people in Doriath and beyond its borders interested in marrying him. But he politely declined all such advances.
This all changed when he went with Angrod, who had just visited Doriath for the first time, back to Lake Mithrim as an emissary of Doriath. There he set eyes on Artanis for the first time and was struck dumb by her formidable intelligence and beauty. Literally, he did not say a word to her the whole time he was there. (He did manage to learn some things about her from Angrod, who promptly broke his confidence and told Artanis about the massive crush the Prince of Doriath had on her; but Artanis’ heart at that time was still heavy with grief and her thoughts could not have been further from matters of romance and she didn’t give Celeborn a second thought.)
When, some years (decades) later, Celeborn heard that Artanis would be visiting Menegroth, he got his act together. He would at least talk to her this time.
And he did! They had an enchanting couple of walks through the halls of Menegroth and in the surrounding forest, connecting over all sorts of matters of philosophy and politics, and found they shared the same witty sense of humour.
But it was not to last…. For almost as soon as she’d arrived in Doriath, Artanis made a connection with Queen Melian, spending all her time walking in the forests or locked away in a distant chamber of Menegroth, studying some secret arts. Soon, it was an open secret that the sister of Finrod had become the Queen’s lover. Well, Celeborn couldn’t compete with Melian.
When Artanis decided to dwell in Doriath for a time, Celeborn’s hope was renewed. Eventually, she stopped spending every waking moment with Melian. Celeborn would run into her in Menegroth’s library or in the gardens now and then, and they would talk for long hours and a friendship blossomed.
When the truth about the kinslaying at Alqualondë came out, Artanis became quite isolated for a time. There were those in Menegroth who did not conceal their distrust of her and hatred of her kin, even if she remained in the good graces of Melian and Thingol. Celeborn often visited her during this time and was a great source of comfort.
One day, Artanis confided to Celeborn that she had ended her physical relationship with the Queen. (At which Celeborn was astonished: she had ended it?) She had realised desire was interfering with her ability to enjoy the deeper emotional and intellectual aspects of the relationship. But she needed to take some time away from Menegroth to move on… so she was going to stay with her brother in the newly-completed Nargothrond for a time.
So Celeborn was once again left longing for Artanis’ affection, having made no progress towards confessing this longing to her — even though it was plain to most of Menegroth by then that he was smitten. They kept up correspondence by letters in the time she was away.
To Celeborn’s great relief, Artanis returned to dwell in Doriath after only a few years. Celeborn was terribly nervous about confessing his feelings for her, especially since he had grown to cherish their friendship and did not wish to lose it. But he would be a poor friend to continue to keep the truth from her: that he loved her.
So, not long after she’d returned to Menegroth, he invited her to walk to the top of the hill under which the city’s caves were delved. The trees were thinner there and the stars could be clearly seen. He asked her about her time in Nargothrond, and Artanis shared with him how she’d found it odd to be among the Noldor again; she no longer felt she belonged among them, but less did she feel that she belonged among the Sindar, even though Doriath felt more like home to her than any other place she had lived.
Now, Celeborn had only intended to confide his feelings to Artanis that night, but hearing this he was possessed with boldness and eagerness and told Artanis that, while she was already welcome among the Sindar, if she really wanted to feel she belonged she could marry him.
Artanis laughed at this. And laughed, and laughed, while Celeborn blustered through dozens of apologies. But it was not malicious laughter. When she finally collected herself, Artanis simply took his hands in hers and said, “I thought you’d never ask.”
[Things that are actually canon here: the Teleri pausing their journey near Greenwood; Lenwe forsaking the March; Celeborn's kinship with Elwe and his familial relationships; Angrod being the first of the Exiles to come to Doriath; Galadriel staying in Doriath for love of Melian (though Christopher altered the text for the published Silm to say she stayed for Celeborn); Galadriel dwelling for a time in Nargothrond.]
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Please if you have any good opinions on Turgon let me know because I currently can’t stand the guy and I do want to at least somewhat like him.
Edit: Sorry sorry! 1/3, not 2/3. I’ve corrected the post.
But anyway, can we talk about Turgon taking 1/3 of the Noldor to Gondolin.
Like I can find it in me to like or at least understand pretty much every Finwëan. But Turgon? That guy makes me furious. As do the Noldor who decided to follow him. Literally what was the point of coming to Beleriand if they were just going to hide away. They literally abandoned everyone to Morgoth.
‘But Ulmo told him to!’
Ok fine. I get it. Turgon (and Finrod) were still somewhat faithful and wanted to follow through. But to take that many people with you? To let so many people come with you, knowing your brother and father aren’t gonna know where you are and if anything suddenly goes wrong, you’re not gonna make it in time and its goodbye remaining family.
(Also imo the Valar have an admittedly not malicious, but bad habit of choosing those they think are the smartest, strongest, etc, and taking them away from the rest of their people, leaving the rest to suffer. Making small temporary paradises that statistically can’t last forever. I’m counting Numenor here. But that’s beside the point.)
Anyway I am fully of the opinion that if Turgon’s not so little sect had decided to stay and actually take part, the Bragollach would have gone very differently, leading to a potential victory in the Nirnaeth, despite the betrayals. The entire battle plan would’ve been different.
Like think about it right. 2/3 of the Noldor left fighting in Beleriand. Those are cut down pretty badly in the Bragollach to the point I’d say a good 50% of the Noldor now reside in Gondolin. That’s the force they have to make a fight plan for the Nirnaeth. Turgon did turn up but like. Do you get what I mean? When you have that many more fighters, the entire plan could’ve been changed, but I’m getting too far ahead. Let’s go back to the Bragollach.
I have this thing talking about Fingolfin’s last, desperate attempt at Morgoth. If his son, daughter, and granddaughter, and a large bulk of his people had been there to help, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have gone. Wouldn’t have felt the need to go. Aegnor and Angrod might not have been killed. The Feanorions would have been displaced still, but been able to reclaim some of their lands with more elves to fight back.
Because say what you will, they successfully coordinated a 400 year long siege on Angband with Fingolfin and co, and that’s a two way deal. They can clearly band together to take on a larger enemy. As you know, I’m also of the opinion Fingolfin genuinely loved his nephews even if he didn’t get along with their father.
You might be wondering ‘but what about Aredhel.’ I have generally mixed opinions, but don’t actively dislike her. The main thing is idk how many people followed her specifically, but I don’t think it was that many.
That said I do feel really bad for Fingon who’d lost Argon over the ice and now his remaining little siblings were gone who knows where, somewhere he couldn’t even help them if they needed it. I’m sorry you don’t just abandon siblings like that, especially in a situation which always has the potential to go suddenly wrong (as we see with the Bragollach.) This coming from a little sibling btw, maybe that’s why I have such strong feelings on this 😂
But I’ll make a Fingon specific post another time.
AS I SAID, please please if you have saving opinions on Turgon comment so I can like this dude. I haven’t read the Fall of Gondolin and generally don’t know a bunch about him, but our vibes ain’t vibing rn 💀
#turgon#turukano#Gondolin#Fingolfin#Nolofinwë#Fingon#Findekáno#findekano#Aredhel#iresse#Arakano#house of Fingolfin#nolofinweans#silmarillion#tolkien#silm headcanons#silm#feanorians#Angband#Morgoth#dagor bragollach#nirnaeth arnoediad#aegnor#Angrod#on hidden cities and consequences
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Okay this post has made me go crazy with ideas that will NEVER come to pass I know, but just humor me..
I wish ROP brings back all their iconic fallen characters' actors as Hobbits in the final season's final shots, set in what will become Hobbiton!!
Charles Edwards (Celebrimbor) all twinkling with excitement, explaining how he is upgrading his smial to a Hobbit girl with golden hair who turns around & we see it's Amelia Kenworthy (Mirdania) nodding!!
A family of Hobbits working on their crops and its Lloyed Owens (Elendil), Maxim Baldry (Isildur), Ema Horvath (Earien) & [anarion's actor], a lady hobbit enters the field with refreshments for everybody and it's Cynthia Addai-Robinson!! (Queen Miriel)
Sam Hazeldine (Adar S2) is selling fruits on a stand while flirting with Joseph Mawle (Adar S1), who is selling flowers just beside him!
Robert Strange (Glûg) & Geoff Morrell (Waldreg) are impatiently waiting for Sam to finish being a flirt so they can buy raspberries!!
Trystan Gravelle (Pharazon) & Leon Wadham (Kemen) are selling baked goods on a nearby stand & Alex Tarrant (Valandil) is bickering with them over prices while Anthony Crum (Ontamo) sneaks a muffin to eat.
Simon Merrells (Marchwarden) is showing off his biggest Pumpkins to Augustus Prew (Medhor) who is visibly very very bored.
Will Fletcher (Finrod) is going around the market with a beaming smile talking to everyone like he knows everyone! (he does)
Peter Mullan (Durin III) is smoking what will become Pipe-weed while chilling outside his smial.
#trop crack#rop crack#my ramblings#didn't add Bronwyn because the actress has retired from acting though i miss her <3#my post#the rings of power#trop#rings of power#rop#adar#sam hazeldine#celebrimbor#charles edwards#elendil#miriel#pharazon#isildur#earien#kemen#valandil#ontamo#joseph mawle#finrod#durin iii#glug#robert strange#waldreg#hobbits#harfoots#mirdania
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Whether TROP Sauron is repentant or not, some thoughts
(This is the short(ish) version, since I keep meaning to write about this in a more detailed and thoughtful way and then real life keeps interfering. SIGH. But I would like to put my thoughts down somewhere and so here we are.)
So my feelings on this are:
no, he isn't;
I do think he is genuinely regretful but I do not think this is the same as being genuinely repentant;
because while definitions differ, 'repentance' as a concept usually exists within moral or religious frameworks that assign it more weight than simply 'feeling bad' - it is feeling bad associated with a will to change and the actions following that will;
& 'change' in these frameworks does not mean 'promise not to do the bad thing again', it means 'work to become the sort of person who would not do the bad thing again';
and the way you do this, in a lot of philosophical/religious approaches and as Diarmid spells out in TROP, is to do good things until goodness becomes a habit;
Diarmid talking to Sauron in s2ep1:
S: I’ve done evil. D: All of us have done things that we care not to admit. S: Not like I have. D: Find forgiveness. You are alive because you have chosen good. S: But what of tomorrow? D: You have to choose it again. And the next day, and the next. Until it becomes a part of your nature.
eg Aristotle in The Nichomachean Ethics: "Virtue, then, is of two sorts, virtue of thought and virtue of character. Virtue of thought arises and grows mostly from teaching; that is why it needs experience and time. Virtue of character [i.e., of êthos] results from habit [ethos]"
eg the Muppet chorus in Muppet Christmas Carol underlining how Scrooge is not just doing bad things because he's bad but making himself more of a bad person by the habit of repeatedly doing bad things: "If being mean's a way of life you practice and rehearse / Then all that work is paying off, 'cause Scrooge is getting worse"
I do think TROP Sauron feels bad - there's no suggestion in the show that he was deliberately trying to deceive Diarmid or that his tears when no other character is watching him are not genuine. It is harder to say how much is self-pity vs pity for anyone else; but it feels reasonable to say "he does not consider what he has done to be a success by his own terms and he wishes he had not done it", and whether he is sorry for killing Finrod because Finrod didn't deserve to die, or because it's ruined his chance to get Galadriel on side now, or because that whole episode made Morgoth angry with him, he is still to some degree sorry about it, regrets it, wishes it had not happened the way it happened;
idk what Tolkien specifically thought on this particular issue but, point to note is that in Catholic theology you don't have to be sorry for all the right reasons & 'imperfect contrition' can still get you some of the way, as long as what it leads you to is a sincere effort at repentance;
but no matter how thorough the 'sorry', 'sorry' itself as an internal state of regret and sorrow is not enough without being willing to take the actions to become different that Diarmid spells out to him; the important thing is not 'did he feel bad' or even 'did he feel bad for the right reasons', it's 'did the feeling-bad lead him to doing anything substantial about the kind of person he was making himself into through habit';
eg Maimonides defined true repentance as when someone has the opportunity to do the bad thing again and doesn't, and not because they're afraid of consequences but because they're no longer the kind of person who would make that decision;
eg Tolkien's friend CS Lewis in The Screwtape Letters, where a devil is speaking about a human who regrets something: "The great thing is to prevent his doing anything. As long as he does not convert it into action, it does not matter how much he thinks about this new repentance. Let the little brute wallow in it [...] No amount of piety in his imagination and affections will harm us if we can keep it out of his will";
what TROP Sauron (and canon Sauron very arguably, although the framing device of what's said about him being written by other narrators about him and there being disagreement already in that text about whether he was genuine in what he offered Eonwe or not makes it more complex) does is different to just not feeling bad;
he does want to be forgiven;
but he is not willing to do that by anything that would challenge his view of himself as the excellent, the admirable, the one Maia who can fix all Morgoth's damage and produce a healed shining perfectly-functioning Middle-earth to cancel out his role in wrecking it;
and in that light he is willing to do whatever it takes to get to his shiny-healed-perfectly-efficient-Middle-earth-with-him-in-charge result, however brutal, however many die, because the end justifies the means;
but the issue with that is that it means consistently choosing to do bad and brutal thing in the hope that you're somehow a good enough smith/king/whatever to 'buy' the forgiveness you seek;
which will undermine any end you have in mind;
and turn you into, well: Third Age Sauron.
(also: I have Many Thoughts on what it says about TROP Sauron that he sees both Middle-earth and himself as being harmed by Morgoth and the idea of healing and how he sees his own role in the Morgoth era - does he regret following Morgoth? to what extent? - and I have played around with that idea in my fic and will probably do so more in the future but it's too tangled and too lengthy to get into here so I'm just throwing that in at the end.)
#the rings of power#rings of power meta#sauron#repentance#offering to work as a smith in Numenor by sweeping floors and making bucket-handles was good!#but losing it to the point of theft and violence when you weren't allowed to do that IMMEDIATELY undermines you somewhat there my friend#like come on now you're immortal what's the hurry here#eyeofacat meta
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Finweans ranked by Aura
Feanor - So powerful he sucked the life force out of his mother, invented a ton of cool shit, had more children with his wife than any of the other Eldar, died in battle while his body combusted into flames because he was just that hot, & the King of the Valar who he hated cried over him.
Earendil - Cool as hell, has a wife who's cool as hell. Predestined to be a hero even though he comes from a basic vanilla bloodline (besides his great grandpa Fingolfin). Even though most of his ancestors were nobodies or flops, most of his descendants that came after him were cool as hell.
Maedhros - Might have been higher than his father & cousin if he didn't khs, Lowkey an Aura loss moment but he makes up for a lot with his gorgeous red hair, height, surviving Morgoth's torture, & sorta fulfilling his dad's dumb oath.
Fingolfin - The only good thing his bland vanilla mother did was give birth to him. He was a total badass I've got to admit even as a Feanorian stan. Him crossing the helcaraxë & his death were top Aura moments.
Elrond/Elros - They're twins so they can share a spot too. Both badass as hell.
Fingon - Called "the Valient", braids gold into his hair, saved his sexy redheaded cousin, & became King of the Noldor. Everything about him screams Aura.
Galadriel - Despite the fact she's a Feanor anti (Booooo!!!), she admittedly has a ton of Aura. She's smarter than possibly everyone else here given she survived when the rest of her generation either got themselves killed or spends all their time being a sad beach cryptid.
Gil-Galad - Cool as hell, managed to make an alliance Maedhros could only dream of.
Maglor - Has a couple Aura loss moments but in the end he LIVED which is an Aura gain. Also gets Aura points for having the best voice in Arda.
Celebrimbor - Pretty rad dude, love how he's more like Feanor than his father Curufinwe Jr is, unfortunately he died.
Finrod - His death is cool as fuck. Looses points for cockblocking his little brother & dying for that basic joe Beren though.
Caranthir - Goth Icon. Love how despite his raging anger issues he's also an awesome guy you'd want to be friends with.
Finwe - A massive flop in a ton of ways but definitely still has Aura. Looses Aura points for failing Feanor & choosing to marry an unsexy Vanya when he could've waited for his sexy talented silver haired Noldo wife to come back to life. Only good thing about him besides his awesome hair is that he's Feanor & Fingolfin's father.
Aredhel - Cool as hell but has terrible taste in men. Her whole white aesthetic & her wild personality gain her Aura points though.
Turgon - The only cool thing about him is that he built Gondolin which wins him some Aura points. Looses Aura points for getting played by his nephew & dying pathetically though.
Idril - She's cool I guess, the only thing of note that she did was give birth to the chad Earendil. Tuor is such a basic guy though, he's not the worst but she could do better.
Aegnor - Cool hair. Pulled a baddie. Fumbled the baddie.
Angrod - Not the most stand out Finwean but he seems to be a mama's boy & he didn't do anything wrong so I'll put him above the family flops.
Finduilas - She's a sweetie but she looses Aura points for falling out of love with a great guy like Gwindor & falling in love with Turin the walking L.
Celegorm - Stupid as hell for trying to use a powerful half-Angel as a political weapon against her father. Looses more Aura points for getting abandoned by his dog & dying at the hands of said half-Angel's 30 y/o mortal son while he's over 1000 y/o. Gains some Aura points for being able to talk to animals, his hair, & his hot bastard energy.
Curufin - Feanor with 99% less Aura. His only achievement is having Celebrimbor yet he still couldn't even succeed at being Feanor 2.0 and having 7 kids to continue the family line. Had the chance to kill Eol but didn't which led to his favorite cousin dying (that's a huge L).
Finarfin - Takes after his mother in the sense he's vanilla af. The tiny percent of Aura he has is from his Noldo side obviously and he used that to pull a baddie like Earwen. All his kids get their Aura from their mother's side.
Orodreth - I like the guy, but he's definitely a dumbass with no Aura. He inherited a kingdom but isn't particularly good at anything. His only accomplishment is possibly fathering Gil-Galad.
Maeglin - Orodreth might have no Aura but this guy has negative Aura. His childhood sucked but he's such a walking L that's he's somehow more of a loser than both Celegorm & Eol combined.
#finweans#house of finwe#feanor#earendil#maedhros#fingolfin#elrond#elros#fingon#galadriel#gil galad#maglor#celebrimbor#finrod#caranthir#finwe#aredhel#turgon#idril#aegnor#angrod#finduilas#celegorm#curufin#finarfin#orodreth#maeglin#silmarillion#the silmarillion
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