#Fandom discourse

[thenaiads]

THIS POST!!!!!!!!!!!👏👏👏

Uh- are you aware of the meaning of proship?

Proship has never meant anything except a combination of three ideas:

Ship and let ship (your ships don't harm me and vice-versa) and YKINMK (your kink is not my kink, and that's okay; my kink stories don't harm you and vice-versa)

Harassment over fiction is not acceptable

Censorship of fiction is not acceptable either

Any other definitions are made by antis, not proshippers, and are an attempt at revisionism to justify harassment based on false claims.

[butterflyinthewell]

[derangedfujoshi]

So ANYWAY fuck all of this we're going to end the antis plague in the years to come because ain't NO way I'll accept my refuge from reality (fandoms) being plagued by the same christo-fascists (antis) as the ones haunting me irl.

Ain't. No. Fucking. Way. Get out. Get out of here or learn to behave I don't care but we don't NEED your negativity, your censorship or your pearl-clutching.

And you! You right there stop being afraid of them! Just don't talk to them, block them, drop them if they're "your friends" no they ain't! No they absolutely are NOT if they'd tell you to kill yourself over some drawings. You don't have to fear being isolated, reach out to other proshippers, isolate THEM if anything. Seek help from others, escape the toxic cycle of fear and loathing, ENJOY FANDOMS AGAIN BE TIRED OF THEIR SHIT. REBEL! REBEL!!! POST THAT KINK! REBLOG THOSE SIBLINGS KISSING! WRITE THAT AGE GAP FIC! REBEL!!!!!

[nqueso-emergency]

The thing that really pisses me off the most about the bestie boos is their constant need to antagonize and follow people they don't like.

Are you so self-conscious in your half of fandom you have to mention the actor in your hate posts and bash comments they leave for their actual fans??

Yet Oliver or Ryan comments and you cream your fucking pants.

Please leave people alone. Go to your gc or post ss but stop actively harassing everyone because you're sad and miserable.

[thenaiads]

From the article:

Researching "proship"

I realized I'd probably have to deal with this at some point. I figured it would be difficult if I didn't understand the meaning of "proshipper" in the first place, but when I tried looking it up there were no articles in Japanese that explained it, so I had an American acquaintance explain it to me.

ship = coupling [TN: In Japanese, ships are referred to as "couplings." As a side note, this is often abbreviated as "CP," which can often lead to misunderstandings among English-speakers.]

pro = problematic

proship = problematic ships

proshipper = people who ship problematic couplings

(* I later learned that this was incorrect, as detailed in "The actual meaning of 'proshipper.'")

"Problematic" can refer to adult-minor ships, incestuous ships, abusive ships, sexual depictions of same-age underage ships, etc... Basically, anything that would be unacceptable in real life.

The standards for this can be very strict―for example, depicting a relationship between a 17- and 18-year-old (the age of majority in the US), or rooting for/showing positive depictions of a character who has been abusive in the past. It's a concept that may be difficult to understand in Japan, where all fictional depictions are allowed, and fanwork of shonen series are especially popular.

However, the ship I drew featured two 15-year-olds, or their post-timeskip 19-year-old versions. They are a canon ship in the original work, and I hadn't drawn any pictures of them sexually. The creators also officially permit fanworks. In the end, I couldn't really understand how that made me a proshipper―I figured I must have somehow violated some kind of foreign fandom etiquette, so I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, and decided to just forget about it again.

From this site:

You should Read this page on Reddit too ...... When I say that I'm a Proshipper THIS is what I mean!!! Not that i'm some creepy ped*, you fucking dumbass 😠🤬🖕🖕🖕 Go to the church and stay out of fandoms, if you have this mentality 😠🤬🖕🖕🖕!!!!

I have never read a more excellent article

[jeonscatalyst]

The document said Tae's album received lukewarm response.

Which is not mistreatment though.

Obviously the company would have their own data to know when an album does well or doesn't. So if they feel the response was lukewarm, who are we to argue with that?

But making that into mistreatment is a stretch.

Exactly.

It is kinda dumb to think that the company would have good opinions or feedback on everything the members do, or put out, that just isn’t possible. Some people are trying to insist that Jimin is the company’s fave (lol) because of how good his MUSE did and is still doing even though before the members got to this point of doing solo work, Jimin had written or co written a few songs which weren’t chosen for their albums. I’m sure they weren’t chosen because the company didn’t think the songs or lyrics were good enough to add to the album and that is ok. That was them probably not liking what he wrote but that doesn’t translate to maltreatment does it? I don’t think they like every solo album of the members or their songs and them voicing that out doesn’t mean they hate the members or are out to sabotage them. I don’t understand why this isn’t understood.

[madlori]

let's face it, we all argue with people on the internet even though we know it's futile and stupid and a waste of time because of that tiny little sliver of hope that one of them will someday say "you know what, you're totally right, I hadn't thought of it like that."

[morewonders]

They hated Tommy the second they realized he was an actual character and not just a stepping stone to Buddie

That certainly seems to be the vibe, yes. And, like, a part of me gets it! I also thought when the kiss happened that Tommy was here for a good time, not a long time. The difference is when I realized the show was actually establishing him as a character in his own right/Bucktommy as a legit relationship, I was like “okay cool let’s see where this goes” and the haters…did not have the same reaction.

[i-am-creacheur]

okay listen. I get the urge to talk about my favorite life series ship like it's Canon in every season...BUT. THAT HAS NEVER ONCE BEEN THE CASE.

Yes, Jimmy would be upset if Tango canaried (technical scientific term for that). Everyone would be- even I would be, and I've never watched a single one of his videos. Canarying sucks, and it hurts. Of course I would be upset. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I THINK JIMMY WOULD BREAK DOWN SOBBING FROM A CHARACTER STAND POINT. They have had only like... THREE on screen interactions. One is Tango murdering a man infront of Jimmy and another is Tango cheerfully burning down something one of Jimmy's teammates worked very hard on. WildLifeChara!Jimmy has more reason to hate or be afraid of WildLifeChara!Tango than to be madly in love with him.

I promise you, if Tango had offered Jimmy a life instead of Ren, people wouldn't shut up about for MONTHS. But, because it's Ren, somehow the interaction isn't NEARLY as homoerotic??? I understand having NOTP's, but the Jimmy/Ren ship doesn't even show up ONCE on ao3. Zero fics. ZE-RO. There's no reason to hate something that doesn't even exist.

This same concept applies for Flower Husbands as well- not just in Wild Life, and Secret Life and Limited Life and Last Life and Real Life though- in Empires.

I have no clue about Empires Season 1, but they barely interacted in Empires Season 2- and yet the amount of ship art I sift through on a weekly basis for my side blog is actually insane. Yeah, the few interactions WERE important, but I think Scott only flirted (in video) with Jimmy maaybbeeee three times. I have no idea what the count of that for streaming is, but I swear it is not enough to keep that number so inflated.

Although, honestly, this problem might just be affecting me because of my personal view on shipping- if it's in a context where it doesn't make sense for the characters to be romantically engaged, I won't read it or write it.

For example, my beloved Solidwood! I mostly get their vibes or read their fics from the following series: Evo, Last Life, New Life, Empires2, Secret Life. That's because those settings make sense! They are active, they are engaged, they have near constant interactions or very close base locations. It makes SENSE for them to be shipped. However, if you showed me art or fic of them in, say, Limited Life, I'd furrow my brow and tilt my head and say "no, that doesn't do anything for me." BECAUSE THEY HAVE ZERO REASON TO BE INVESTED ROMANTICALLY IN ONE ANOTHER THERE, AS A STAND ALONE SETTING.

Most of the major Jimmy ships, though, don't follow this rule. I can understand loving a ship so much you want to see it everywhere- but, I promise you, stepping back and looking at which characters actually have chemistry regarding the new setting and social system will do wonders... you won't have to think of new Au's to insert your favorite ship into a new setting... all ships will be your favorite ship (unless they give you the ick). Join the multishiper hivemind /j

No but honestly it's gotten to the point where I will like or dislike a creator/character of theirs by what ship is their most popular given the context of the setting. Like, Tango in Double Life? Awww the sweetie!! I love him :) and then Tango in Empires2 sets off alarm bells in my brain screaming at me. He is NOT meant to be here bringing that ship here, this is NOT its territory. Same problem for Scott in nearly damn near every SMP both Jimmy and him are in... except Wild Life because he's actually been pretty nice and not condescending or forcing on Jimmy. I guess also power imbalances in how fans view them is a major no-go for me...

Idk if you read this whole thing thanks I guess... for anymore needed context I am a Jimmy rarepair obsessed multishiper.

TLDR; Lots of popular ships are inserted into settings without a thought for what that would mean for the setting and any changes in the established social connections, which gives OP the ick. I'm also not policing ships I'm just begging people to please either understand more ships using in setting context or list their AU details in the summaries of the fics. This goes hand in hand with misinterpreting characters in writing also... the more ships you like the more characters you will get to get good at writing!!!!

[jellybellyblimp]

I’m kind of glad tumblr “died” because it means this website is now mostly populated by adults who survived the fandom insanity of the early to mid 2010s and are now much more chill for it. Sometimes I see teenagers getting into fandom discourse on TikTok or Twitter and am immensely grateful that this site is no longer the primary stage for vitriolic fandom fervor

[fletchingbrilliant]

Just a heads up that my Tumblr is a leak-free, spoiler-free zone

Don't tag me in anything related to it, don't ask me for opinions. I don't do the toks or the tweets so I am in no loops

I will now proceed as normal

Love you all 🖤

[totallyjustabunchofhocuspocus]

This is where I side-eye a lot of arguments that Tommy doesn't care about Buck the way he should. Like, it's fine if you don't like the relationship or want Buck to be with Eddie (or anyone else). But, like, please don't act like someone showing up and choosing Buck despite it being more convenient (and in the case of after the failed first date) perfectly understandable and even logical NOT to isn't, like, THE CORE of what Buck wants in a romantic partner. (and yes, guys, I ship Buddie too, I KNOW that Eddie has been doing that from day one, I AGREE that Eddie has been doing that from day one...just, Tommy's doing it too, don't pretend he's not)

from a neurodivergent perspective. coddling the person you are romantically interested in is, in one word, unnecessary. i'm not going to lie and say i like the coffee, you don't know how i like my coffee, you didn't do anything wrong. if i'm going out of my way to show up to your themed event where i can't even drink because i might get called into work at any moment, you know, to go fight a wildfire, and i can't be wearing a ridiculous outfit when that happens. what are we doing here. this is me, if you like me, then you like me. i have no time to put on a show or play games. it's actually really fucking refreshing to me that tommy was unapologetically himself during the entire intricate rituals courtship between the two of them. and even better that buck likes him exactly as he is. yeah no wonder I'm insane about them.

[bunnymi1k]

i have some thoughts, and i just need to share.

content warning: heavy usage of the word queer in a reclaimed context.

you cannot remove the queer aspect from the owl house.

being queerphobic is literally missing the entire point of the show and it's messaging. the owl house is so important when it comes to representing us onscreen. the protagonist is a queer person of color; it's a huge stepping stone for the community. pushing your way into our spaces, into a fandom that is so elated to have such a phenomenal piece of media so casually show queer characters and relationships, and then telling us you do not accept who we are, etc......

do you not realize the harm you're causing? where's the self awareness? genuinely. belos is quite literally a physical embodiment of religious extremism and the harm it causes; brother wanted to cause a genocide because he was a puritan and believed witches shouldn't live. c'mon now.

the shows whole message is that ostracized people are still deserving of love, and that they'll find their people that love them unconditionally for who they are. that kind of message speaks volumes to queer youth, and can be read AS a queer allegory, especially since luz IS queer.

even if you're one of those people that says "i just don't agree/support" or has the "love the sinner hate the sin" mentality, you aren't exempt. that mindset is still so harmful and disrespectful, and your love for queer people is false. love should be unconditional. you cannot ignore or separate a person's queerness from them. the denial of something so integral to who a person is is so damaging and dangerous, regardless of how ""nice"" you put it. it's the same rhetoric held by those that want us to not exist, in case you forgot; that ideology is a very slippery slope, and can easily become violent. and if your reasoning is just "well i'm religious" then you need to do some heavy self reflection and improvement. whatever authority figure or person from your faith that taught you that you cannot accept queer folk's identities was not preaching the word of god. simple as that. we are people, deserving of acceptance, love, and the same rights as you. if you can't agree with that sentiment, that's your problem and i'm sorry but you cannot call yourself a fan of the show (yeah this is still a post about homophobia in the TOH fandom lmao)

this is, obviously, glossing over the fact that your personal beliefs and faith do not dictate what someone else does in their life, and sure as hell does not dictate what laws should be implemented.

to make a super long story short: the owl house is queer, it's cast is like 99% queer (if not all, i don't even think anyone's been confirmed straight), and to ignore this fact is insulting and there's a reason you guys are shamed in the fandom. however, i do believe people are capable of growth and change, and i hope you can find it within yourselves to change your perspective on the matter.

straights, you got huntlow. leave the other ships alone. especially when it comes to amity. she's a lesbian. stop being weird (this is only half a joke..)

[rtc-confessions]

can’t wait to see an rtc fandom iceberg in a few months with “lesboy anon” midway down

~~

[phantasm-masquerade]

reblog for a bigger sample size if you feel like it

[the-ninjago-historian]

I know, right? Some people are just mean.

I think the whole “I hope Morro doesn’t back back <3” hate is crazy considering that if someone else’s favorite character was coming back to Ninjago or rumored to be I would 100% support that person who’s excited about their favorite character