#Eggman really influenced these kids

[tornado1992]

Bowing comes natural to show off kind of characters, they are awesome, they are cocky, they are amazing and they know it.

But even if bowing it’s natural instinct or a character trait, there are different ways to bow, and you must admit, this is an specific kind of bow.

Sonic really did spent great part of his formative years around Eggman.

[thankskenpenders]

One thing I find amusing about IDW Sonic is that there is a suprising amount of horror influences in the series. Sure, you have obvious stiff like the Metal Virus and Scrapnick Island, but even minor stuff like Dr. Starline literally poking into Belle's "brain", Eggman's horribly creepy testing ground, and Surge and Kit's backstory is something straight out of psychological horror. I personally love this kind of stuff, but I know it's not for everyone. How do you feel this?

I like all this stuff a lot. It's fun to lean a little more into the darker sci-fi side of the series after an era of the games that downplayed it, while still generally being tactful about it. It'd be easy to go too dark (lord knows Sonic has done this in the past), but I think they've found a really good balance where the darker elements are there to support the strong character drama.

I'm not sure how conscious of a move this was, but I think it's actually a perfect fit for the decision to lean into slightly more of a shounen manga vibe with the IDW comics. The villains and their schemes in those series tend to be pretty dark and edgy and threatening, sometimes with overt horror vibes! Orochimaru and the Akatsuki in Naruto, the League of Villains in My Hero Academia, the cursed spirits in JJK, the homunculi in FMA, the demons in Demon Slayer, etc. As an American kids' comic the Sonic villains can't go nearly as hard as Sukuna, but like, you can still have Mimic be a creepy evil shapeshifter guy with a knife, or have Starline do some really sinister mad science experiments. Even Eggman has some creepy moments, especially when Adam draws him in silhouette with that big evil grin. It's good.

[generic-sonic-fan]

The Sonic Crew, 40 Years Later-

Just one of many possibilities, of course, but I challenged myself to imagine what Sonic's crew and Team Dark might look like when they're older. Long post beneath the cut:

Sonic

The one who changed the least

Still an absolute daredevil with a heart of gold

All that running and frequent injuries did a number on his knees and he started using knee braces and a cane/crutches in his late 20s

(it took him a while to be okay with this, but he's over that now)

(He can still run if needed, but he'll be hurting for a few days after.)

Gets his need for speed by racing cars, motorcycles, the Tornado, and by skydiving

Still LOVES helping people and spends a lot of time volunteering

Yes, he's still signing autographs

He's got a permanent home now, mostly to store the Tornado and his other vehicles. He took over Tails' workshop when the fox left for greener pastures and likes keeping the place fixed up.

He's been reading a lot more. Now that he's got a permanent place, his library collection is massive

He's just taking it one day at a time, man. Always has, always will

Tails

The one who changed the most

He owns a garage in the city now, with a sign on the door that says "Prower's inventions and tinker shop"

He always knew that he wanted to sell the things he made, but he had absolutely zero interest in the business side of things outside of running social media accounts

So he's gone indie! He's almost more of an artist and influencer than a world-class inventor, but don't let that fool you

He's still selling his patents to top companies and making a crapton of money

(he's the second most well-off of the friend group aside from Rouge.)

So how's he changed?

He's lost a lot of his childlike innocence, become increasingly more focused on people's perception of him and making online content

and ultimately, he chose technology over the outdoors

Sonic kinda knew that sort of thing was inevitable, but it still hurt when Tails decided to move to the big city and stop exercising as much

But he's very happy where he is and how he's living, and he and Sonic still catch up with each other frequently

Knuckles

Still guarding the Master Emerald!

But he's really learned how to do more with his life despite staying on one island for most of his time

Tails finally convinced him to install enough technology to keep him connected to the world below

Since then, Knuckles has become the number one expert on Echidna anthropology/archaeology in the world

He's written several books using speech-to-text technology

(it's been difficult work- he's not the best reader or writer, but he put the effort in and now he's a published author!)

When he's not writing or giving talks on Echidna culture over video call, he's still taking care of Angel Island, growing his own food, and making more discoveries about ancient Echidna culture. That much hasn't changed

Ever since the defeat of Eggman, he's more willing to take vacations off of Angel Island, but it's still a rare occurence

He usually notifies the friend group via group chat whenever he plans on coming down for a visit, often resulting in reunions

Amy

Amy absolutely "settled down" and opened the bakery she's always wanted to open

Unlike Tails, she LOVES the business side of things along with the actual baking

Her bakery is one of the most famous in the city she lives in now

She loves the thrill of commanding the kitchen staff and managing all the tasks that go into producing good pastries!

She also developed a love for children, and spoils any child in her vicinity rotten

And she has kids of her own, duh

She helps organize and moderate the group chat for the old friend group

And she loves coordinating visits/reunions

Her house is always open to anybody and everybody. She loves entertaining guests, especially if they're old friends

Her house is SO cute and homey it's almost overbearing

When her kids have kids she is going to be the sweetest grandma ever

Rouge

Already detailed in this post here!

Shadow

He's matured a lot, finally having enough wisdom to act as "the wise immortal"

He's become a nomad, sort of like how Sonic used to be, except he takes things at a much slower pace

(he retired from GUN and absolutely had a midlife crisis. this is the result)

He keeps diligent journals of every place he visits, food he tries, people he meets, and so on

He's picked up on Sonic's hobby of learning languages due to his travels

He's gotten much better at socializing with strangers but still prefers solitude

. . . but he still carries a phone on him and participates (albeit rarely) in the old friend group chat

(Rouge and Omega have him on speed dial, of course. He'll drop everything at their beck and call, even if it's a simple "I miss you")

He's gotten more interested in some more esoteric stuff that would've made his younger self cringe, like poetry and spirituality

The world knows him as a bit of cryptid, lol

Omega

Unlike Shadow, he's not retired!

He left GUN and became a freelance operator. Kind of a mercenary, except he has just a touch more discretion than that

(His version of a midlife crisis happened when he finally killed Eggman circa 30 or so years ago. Those were some messy, messy times, but since then he's made peace with his continued existence)

He is still Angry, of course, but he's a lot more chill than he used to be. Sometimes this throws Shadow for a loop.

His ego, though ever-present, has been tempered by age

Mostly because he kinda thinks his younger self was a bit cringe??

Mention the word "Meatbag" and he'll get stoically embarrassed about it

Anyways, he's also a nomad, traveling the world to do jobs and stopping by Tails' garage for repairs

He stops by Rouge's house often, and meets up with Shadow at least once a month

("YOU ARE THE FOOLISH ORGANICS THAT CONVINCED ME OF THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP. YOU ARE NOT GETTING RID OF ME SO EASILY.")

[egg-emperor]

Thankful for The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog giving some good examples the exact kind of Eggdad Eggfam dynamics stuff that I really wanna see if it has to be a thing in the games. Would be very happy to see more of this. It's been going around out of context but I like it in context much more

I like how he encourages his robots to compete to impress him and be "rewarded", which keeps them motivated and loyal in serving him. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I've been fucking talking about in my Eggdad tag!!! WIN

Then you end up with robots built with the desire to serve him! Them specifically being programmed with those desires makes it seem a lot more artificial and shallow and that's why I like it, it feels very accurate because both Eggman and his creations prioritize pleasing him.

And he takes pride in their sentience and loyalty only being possible thanks to his genius, of course 🥰

And I like how this also plays a part in the Mirage Express' crisis about the conductor leaving, as that is what it saw as its bounty and all and the wish it had

The turning people into robots for Sage to play with thing is good because it can be a way for him to try to get her to see and use people as play things, just like he does.

His 'parenting' involves evil and it can be a way of having a bad influence which is another thing that can be helpful in getting his creations to be on the same page and agree with all his beliefs and desires too.

I also like that Sage is red not blue so she's evil again, which I highly expect in the future main games because there's no way he'd revive her as a good person over who he actually created her to be if he can do anything about it, like Flynn was seemingly hinting at too

I also appreciate Eggman being as big of an angry asshole to Orbot and Cubot as usual and them not acting like he's ever been genuinely nice to them

And I like to think Eggman approved only shirts for his "kids" to wear that hype HIM up. Whether he has them made or not, it's funny that's the case instead of them having like "best daughter/son" shirts, it has to be all about him like he always wants hehe

Something that would make it funnier is that it could potentially also be Metal's "birthday" in the game too, since he shares an anniversary with Amy because maybe that's why they have party hats and yet it's still all about Eggman over the potential birthday boy lol

[nextgensage]

First post, of course I had to do one of the main protags of this au and the ship that kinda started it all - Silvamy, aka the Rose family! (yes all the kids have amy's last name, more on that later.) Lets get into this sweet yet spicy fam. Silver T. Hedgehog

Age: 42

Occupation (Disaster Relief Specialist/ Timestone Guardian)

Extra Notes - still not fully satisfied with silver's older design, I think its because he's supposed to feel out of place amongst the present day sonic cast to really sell the futuristic aspect, i scrolled through a ton of silver au fanart to get inspo because i was stumped and didn't want to just slap some scruff on him and call it a day, especially since he joined the guardian of powerful gems club with blaze and knuckles (still working on the kinks but basically eggman nega survived his entrapment in the chaotic inferno, found out about the timestones and made little big planet the new holding ground for an infantile infrit, slowly working on "raising" it so he can subjugate the past, present and future and accomplish what his forefathers have always lacked - world domination and an another race against time to save the future ensues.) - Silver is now the guardian of the time stones and got an boost in psychic power and I wanted to give him an indicator similar to knuckle's crescent mark or blaze's forehead gem hence the teal markings. He has pulled an captain america and now safely stays in the past with his wife and kids and works similar to the zone cops of the archie comics but way more powerful and freelance. he also helps out with natural disasters like earthquakes or tsunamis thanks to his upgraded psychic powers. To end on an literal fluffy note, his wife and kids love the extra chest fur.

Amy Rose

Age: 40

Occupation: Event Planner/Fitness Trainer (Part-Time)

Extra Notes - pretty happy with amy's design, wanted to do something different from the long-haired cottagecore amys for sonamy fams, not knocking them - they work well for that dynamic but amy has an trio of very unique kids to parent, an time traveling husband and spends her days dealing with picky customers for all sorts of events and still find time to occasionally teach self-defense class and yoga to young women, she needs to be ready at all times. I wanted to go for an more casual and classic feminine nicole watterson vibe (yes, she is hiding muscles under that sweater dress :P.) - kudos to anyone who can get why she has 

glasses! I think the half-moon ones really suit her!

Zenia Rose

Age: 15 (Born May 23rd)

Powers: Enhanced durability, Enhanced senses, telekinesis, minor chaos energy manipulation, empathetic sensing/linking/inundation, minor telepathy 

My precious cinnamon roll! Zenia was the first serious sonic oc I ever made so I wanted to do her justice! She leans alot more towards her father in terms of appearance, power set and personality being a bit of an socially awkward and humble overthinker but she has her mother’s big heart and very caring and optimistic outlook on life, her parents nurtured her powers and her emotional capability in equal measures and thus she’s pretty well rounded in expressing and understanding the feelings of herself and others, though she tends to get more overbearing with those she’s close with, all round an very feminine girl next door archetype. As far as design goes, I wanted silver’s vibe but amy’s coloring and clear fashion influence with a dash of zenia’s more natural and graceful preferences, so pastels, frills and flower motifs were a go. I’m pretty proud of the idea of how to mimic her dads - lets say, “unique” quill style but make it more feminine so I took the spines at the back of silvers head and moved them to the front to be curtain-like bangs to always give her an demure look and then enlarged and curled his crown of quills and pushed them back behind an headband to give an bump it style, the rest is an homage to those long haired amy designs I mentioned earlier! She looked a lot like amy’s original design when she was an bab. Also her powers are a spring green instead of a teal like her dads because they are weaker and more emotion based. Silver personally made her energy cuffs and couldn’t say no when she asked for an flower design as the insignia. 

Auger Rose

Age: 8 (Born October 10th) Powers: Enhanced durability, enhanced senses, tarot card manipulation, minor precognitive ability (boosted when using tarot cards), minor chaos energy manipulation, acrobatics. Auggie! The quintessential middle child and only boy of the family - Auger’s family never makes him feel left out which he appreciates but he appreciates his own solitude and doing things at his own pace more. Silver initially worried that his own former solitary ventures in his once ruined timeline or even the powers hes gained from the time stones themselves has re-emergence in his son especially when auger revealed how he gets  flashes of the potential future sometimes but eventually amy and silver realizes thats just how their kiddo is, he’s not trying to be standoffish or emotionless, he just does and expresses things differently and thats okay, auger knows his family loves him and he shows the same affection in his own subdued way, plus his sisters keeps him on his toes and lets him shine when need be. Augers design is an mesh of forgotten concepts or concept arts of amy and silver, I always wanted to bring back amys tarot card abilities since thats what technically got her into the main cast plus they are an fun way to connect silver and amys dynamics and personal goals into their kid. I ripped off the hair design from my first actual sonic oc - Specs the hedgecat and tweaked it a bit to fit more inline with auger’s personality - ie tamed but not stuffy. Augers eyes are perpetually half-lidded for an myriad of reasons and he always has that waist belt with him as it carries his own special deck of tarot cards. Can’t remember how I came up with his fur color, He’s an autumnal baby with his twin sister so I just rolled with that I think.  Fun Fact - Auger is a tool with a helical bit for boring holes in wood and is an personal play on the word, Augur which is the ancient roman practice of observing birds to interpret omens! Maple Rose

Age: 8 (Born October 10th) Powers: Enhanced durability, enhanced senses, enhanced strength, piko-piko hammer, acrobatics, spindash, homing attack

The baby of the family, auger’s twin sister and probably the reason amy and silver stopped at three kids. Maple is the wild child of the trio and took all of her parents headstrong traits and cranked them up to 11, having a very strong sense of justice and action taking but oftentimes leaping before she looks. The type of child to constantly be sulking in the principal's office because she fought with another kid who was being a jerk, pouting not because she’s sorry but because she’s getting in trouble for something the bully started. An tomboy playground protector if you will with tons of energy to burn and big dreams to fill. Amy wonders semi-fondly if this is adorable karma for always wondering what a child with sonic will be like as her little girl looks up to the blue blur immensely and wants to be the next big hero of her generation. Amy severely regrets the day she let sonic teach maple how to spindash (fun fact - she’s the only one of her siblings who can do it successfully!) and both her and silver are still trying to figure out how to explain their decorated history with sonic without the girl jumping to fantastical conclusions, this coupled with the fact maple carries her mothers legacy of the piko piko hammer and well…knee pads, helmets and bandages are always running out at the rose household with maple playing hero. All in all however, Maple is an loyal friend and while she can be pushy at times, tell her to back off and she will, having two more soft spoken siblings has certainly helped tame her more out there ideas and tendencies. Design wise - maples coloring was to complement her brothers but I headcanon amy’s father as being an red hedgehog so took that and mixed it with silvers darker hue to make that maple sap color work and I takes cue from the classic rough and tumble troublemaker kids of old cartoons, tooth knocked out and everything as well as using silvers unique quill shape to have the excuse to emulate maple leaves for her hair, always has some form of bandage or dirt on her no matter how many times her mothers tries to keep her clean. 

[speeding-fox]

If Silver was in Sonic Unleashed

A few people liked my silly Sonic Movie 4 theory, so here's another one of if Silver had shown up in Sonic Unleashed, though this is more of a hypothetical scenario than a theory. Once again under cut because it's too long.

Silver would come from a future where Dark Gaia won, the planet was split apart, eternal darkness reigned, and Dark Gaia monsters roamed, so of course he would travel back to the past to try and stop this future from happening.

He'd land in Spagonia at nighttime just after the planet split apart. When he goes to try getting more information at Spagonia University, he finds it trashed and the lead professor missing (the assistant wasn't around to tell Silver what happened by the time he arrived). Dark Gaia monsters soon show up and start terrorizing the city, so Silver takes it upon himself to protect the people from these monsters.

He asked around and got a lead on the professor's whereabouts, but had no clue how to get to Mazuri without exhausting his powers, so Silver became the impromptu guardian of Spagonia for the time being as Sonic does his own thing.

Later, when Sonic first arrives at Spagonia, a kid tips Sonic off that Silver is in the area, though they described him as a hero with shining fur and cool psychic powers that shows up to protect the people when monsters of the night attack, and seemed to really admire him. Despite this, Silver isn’t anywhere to be seen (likely is sleeping somewhere hidden).

Even later, when Sonic shows back up to Spagonia at night, the same kid tells him that the hero went off on his own after getting told that strong monsters showed up somewhere, and asks him to go look for him to make sure he's alright. This mission leads Sonic to Silver, who has already taken care of the monsters by the time he got to him. Silver mistakes Sonic for another Dark Gaia monster and attacks him, not believing Sonic when he says he's not one of them. He had to defeat him to get him to listen.

Once Silver was more willing to listen, he asks Sonic what the heck happened to him (after remarking he's gotten much fluffier from when he last saw him), and Sonic gets him up to speed on everything that happened (after Chip offers Silver some chocolate) up to this point. When returning to the main hub, that same kid shows up and is glad to see his hero is okay. The kid gets disappointed when Silver tells them he has leave to help out Sonic with the whole Dark Gaia situation, but promises to stop by once everything's settled.

Silver would be lending his assistance by tracking down the exact locations of the rest of the Gaia Temples and help out Sonic whenever he gets in a jam. During breather periods, he takes the time to learn about each countries' culture and sampling their various foods, as well as taking in the sights. Taking in these various cultures further fueled his resolve to save his future from eternal darkness.

When the team get to Shamar, Silver goes off on his own to find the Gaia Temple, but hasn't returned by nightfall. Sonic and Chip go searching for him. They do eventually find him, but he attacks them, under the reason that Dark Gaia getting unleashed was caused by Sonic and it was all his fault. Turns out he somehow got corrupted by Dark Gaia's influence. When Chip goes to purify him, he knocks the camera away, making Chip go find it, and leaving Sonic to deal with Silver.

Silver was tougher to deal with a second time, but Sonic managed to distract then subdue him long enough for Chip to find the camera and purify him. Once the monster that was influencing him is taken out and he recovers from a daze, he reveals he got ambushed and knocked out from behind, likely from Eggman's robots, but doesn't recall anything past that. He does apologize when told of what he did, but Sonic tells him it's all good and to not worry about it.

When finally at Eggmanland, Silver would split up from Sonic and Chip to cover more ground on finding the last Gaia Temple. Silver wouldn't reunite with them until after the defeat of the Egg Dragoon, apologizing for being late to the party.

When Dark Gaia finally reveals itself, Silver isn’t fazed since he fought monsters like this before. Even when Sonic got weakened, he wasn't going to give up, but he admittedly didn't know what to do, and yelled at Chip that they have to figure something out quickly.

At that point, Chip summons the Gaia Temples to them and forms the Gaia Colossus, and Sonic recovers shortly after. The boss fight goes as normal, with Sonic and Silver taking turns taking out Dark Gaia's eyes before working together to take out the third and final one.

When Dark Gaia becomes Perfect Dark Gaia, both Hedgehogs go Super, and the final battle commences. Sonic and Silver work together to take out the forcefield while Gaia Colossus keeps Perfect Dark Gaia distracted, with Silver occasionally using any floating debris within the forcefield to attack Perfect Dark Gaia with to briefly distract it from Sonic and Chip.

When the forcefield eventually goes down, Perfect Dark Gaia grabs the Gaia Colossus and prepares to fire its strong laser attack. Sonic and Silver worked together to free the Gaia Colossus before it was too late. Chip did get free, but Perfect Dark Gaia still got to fire off its laser attack, Chip pulled through and punched the thing, leaving it dazed and open for Sonic and Silver to deal the final blow.

Silver gives Sonic a boost by launching him right at the main eye, then the fight is won.

The ending doesn't change much. Once Sonic and Silver take in the sunrise, Sonic thanks Silver for his help and says he'll see him later, and Silver wishes Sonic good luck and says he'll see him in the near future before the two part ways.

When Silver eventually returns to his timeline, no longer is it shrouded in darkness and despair, it's filled with light and hope, and the planet is in one piece. He looks up to the blue sky and smiles. The future is looking bright.

At least for now.

[playertwotails]

hello, i saw an ask were someone asked you if you thought tails ever attempted to find his parents and it made me wonder if you ever thought of a scenario were tails father had no idea he even existed or he was led to believe by tails mother that she gave him away and he couldn't find him?

Okay I read when you sent it and been thinking about this one for the whole time. Sorry for the late reply but my sister had her baby so things have been busy.

But moving on from personal stuff, I love this idea but I'm gonna take it a step darker....what if Tails' mother told his father that Tails tragically died.

So going into my take of an AU for this here and it's gonna be long so putting it under the cut

So what if Tails' mother was actually from an influential family or something or they both are. But image is VERY important to her. So when she had Tails with his two...well..tails she was immediately not okay with this cause (spongebob mocking voice) "whAt WoulD oThEr peOpLe tHInK." So Tails' mom starts-a-plotting.

So while Tails is still a baby or like at least like a one year old, she goes on a trip with just her and Tails. So during this "trip" she tragically "loses" Tails and she goes crying home that he died in like a storm or an Eggman attack or something. In reality she legit just left him in a random forest on West Side Island.

So without a body Tails' father looks for him but tiny little guy in a big world and his mom purposely telling him the wrong area means 0% chance of finding baby Tails.

Years then go by and Tails and Sonic start gaining notoriety for their shenanigans and their adventures get back to Tails' parents sphere of influence.

Now obviously they can't 100% confirm that this Tails is their kid but like how many two tailed foxes can there be??? So Tails' father is pretty gun-ho of tracking down Tails just to like at least see if he's maybe their long lost kid, but his mom uses the excuse of she's still so "upset" and "traumatized" from losing him that she doesn't think they should go cause "What if it's not him?! She couldn't possibly handle loosing her baby a second time!!!" (cue fake tears worthy of an Emmy). But the whole time she's like internal sweating like "oh fuck what if he finds out that's our kid and I actually straight up abandoned him!!"

She manages to delay a trip for them to find and talk to Tails for a while but eventually Tails' father just goes and tries to track him down himself.

Side note 1) - I'm thinking that Tails' parents didn't have another kid because while his mom claims it's from the trauma of losing her first baby it's really because after her first kid came out with what she believes to be a deformity she's scared a second one would too. So no surprise siblings for Tails (though that would also be interesting to explore - I ain't got the brain capacity for that in this particular post)

Side note 2) - it would be interesting if during her stalling time she hires people to try and either straight up kill Tails or just someone who would fake the paternity tests to say Tails is not their kid. Maybe both???? You know what yeah why not both.

I feel like a hitman going after Tails would be interesting though cause I'm always a sucker for protective older brother Sonic and you can bet that it would be in overdrive if someone goes after Tails with the express purpose of killing him.

So while Sonic and Co. are fighting off hired hitman and trying to figure out who sent them, this random ass guy shows up claiming to possibly be Tails' father. Immediate alarm bells start going off in all their brains (double for Sonic if you include the SAT-AM cartoon episode where Eggman legit made fake parents claiming Tails is their lost kid for the express purpose of kidnapping him).

So they all start looking into this guy and actually do go through with a paternity test. And surprises of surprises when it come back positive. They then proceed to do it 5-8 more times with different Drs (or whoever does this idk) to make sure he ain't faking it somehow. But nope turns out that yep this is Tails' real dad who is saying he's been looking for him this whole time. (press X for doubt from Sonic and Tails)

But when Tails' father starts explaining his side of the story including where Tails' mother claims to have lost Tails. Tails and Sonic are immediately suspicious cause where his mother told his father he was lost is basically on the other side of the planet from West Side where Sonic found him.

They reiterate this to Tails father, who they are still suspicious of that's he's lying but they trying to figure out what's real and not from what he's saying. And the man is confused cause lookin at a map he also knows 2 + 2 ain't equaling 4 between their two stories.

Cue all them deciding to go to Tails' mother to see what she says from her side of things. The whole time still having to fight off various hitman cause they still coming.

They get to Tails' parents home town and Tails' mom immediately plays up the "oh woa is me, I don't want to get attached until I know he's really my baby." And at this point she's at the top of everyone's (but maybe the not the father's yet) list of being behind the hitman so no ones buying her bs.

So to try and catch her in her lie they ask to do the paternity tests with both of them (not telling her they've already run Tails' fathers multiple times with all positive results). And lo an behold, both come back negative. And she immediately tries to play the "oh how tragic you are not our kid, but best be on your way" but whoops the father reveals the like 6 positive tests he's already done so now she's caught in her own lie.

And idk where to go from here so if anyone want to "yes and" this post (or really any of mine) feel free. Just @ me so I can read them.

Hope you liked my take on this idea

[jamesintherye91]

Personal Hot Takes on the Sonic Franchise.

Something I felt like sharing on here, my personal hot takes of Sonic The Hedgehog that I'm sure will rankle some but I've deeply felt over the past year or so having researched and examined most things revolving around the titular speedy blue hedgehog.

I think Ian Flynn is simultaneously overhated and overrated. He has contributed for almost 20 years as one of the main writers of the spin-off comics and most recently the games but honestly I again think he's not that great nor do I think he's terrible. To me, he's just a name and that's it.

Pontaff (Ken Pontac and Warren Graff) aren't that bad but how the fandom treated them is much worse than their contributions. Yes, their writing was more kiddie style but Sonic Team/Sega signed off on this direction and Pontaff were for the most part localisers as Ian Flynn currently serves as a games writer. I know Lost World and Forces are often derided for their respective story problems but personally I think they've got at least the right ideas in terms of what the Sonic characters represent thematically and I genuinely like aspects of them (the scene of Eggman violently snapping at Zavok and Zazz is genuinely great and I think Infinite as a character idea for a new Sonic adversary is what I prefer to see the franchise do more off rather than a series of giant slobbering lovecraftian creatures) but I agree that they're charitably speaking deeply flawed as stories. But the blame should be laid at the feet of Sonic Team/Sega than just at Pontaff personally.

IDW Sonic is just mediocre at best, often full of filler, drawn out story arcs and having a distinctively underwhelming set of new villains that really aren't that interesting or compelling. Honestly it feels like a waste and I'd be up for a proper reboot series that potentially hues much closer to the spirit of the games. The actual art however is often excellent. It's a shame that such great art is saddled with the mostly mediocre of stories...

Satam is fine but overrated by nostalgic older people who loved it as kids back when it was first on. Compared some of the best 90s animated shows of that era, it's not even close to them. It's just a in-name-only animated spin-off that honestly if you strip all of the Sonic related things from it, it further reveals just how mid it is. It's just a series that's been propped up by 90s nostalgia but to me who grew up on that stuff, it's nothing that great.

Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog is fine and in it's own way captures aspects of Sonic and his original influences (albeit his 90s American persona) that actually feels somewhat more respectful in it's own way. Sonic in this feels less like of an obnoxious little jerkass in this compared to him supposedly more "serious" counterpart in Satam (where his snarky tone often clashes with the more serious bent of that show whereas AOSTH, he's yes snarky but in a more cartoonish environment where it feels more appropriate).

Sonic Underground for all of it's issues with it's ugly animation, designs, vapid pop songs, the ridiculous mythos etc is really not that bad. I just think thanks to memes and certain internet "critics", it's become a joke but honestly I believe there's much worse cartoons out there. But it's certainly the weakest Sonic related cartoon to date I'll concede. But you gotta admit, the theme song is one hell of a banger...

But here's the big one and despite what I've said, I believe that pretty much every bit of American Sonic lore (Mobius, chilli dogs, Sonic's Bart Simpson-esque personality and 90s AF catchphrases, the Archie comics, DiC cartoons etc) that has influenced the franchise since should be dropped and consigned to the waste bin of history, finally allowing the games universe to be the defacto one. Blame Sega of America's marketing that whilst it did legitimately made the hedgehog a serious competitor against Nintendo's Mario, I really think we don't need that version anymore especially as aspects of this original American version still inform aspects of Sonic's current characterisation in the West. Watching that terrible Eddie Lebron Sonic fanfilm just put all of that in sharp focus (the scene where "Kintobor" announces to the world that he's rechristened himself as Robotnik because that's his fucking name spelled BACKWARDS is just fucking stupid in so many ways which was derived from that juvenile backstory between Sonic and the evil doctor made for the American lore and was later appropriated by the British Fleetway series) and despite some aspects I'd be willing to personally save (ie Freedom Fighters, Naugus etc), I'd still be willing to throw all of this American lore in the trash otherwise and replace it with the Japanese games lore and recontextualise various aspects that I would save from the original American lore to better fit the games one. This may sound like fanfiction style wish fulfillment but it's something I would consider personally as much as I greatly dislike the American lore, I'd be willing save certain aspects of it that may be applicable to a potential rebooted canon. But otherwise, I'd pretty much stick to the world, lore and characterisations from the Japanese developed games.

And despite the aforementioned American produced cartoons and comics, I'm really not a fan of giving Sonic actual parents and/or siblings. He really doesn't need a mum, a dad, an uncle, a brother and a sister, a queen mum etc. I like the idea (and Sonic's original creator Naoto Ohshima has conceded on Twitter about this) that he's an orphan and still being someone willing help those and with his friends like Tails, Amy, Knuckles and the rest, build a strong personal connection with each of them. It's just another example of the American interpretations trying to create something that I don't think was really needed personally. He doesn't need to have actual hedgehog parents for him to be who he is imho.

[themetalvirus]

sonic's influence on sage is really sweet. eggman's kid looks up to sonic as a role model. it lends itself well to So Much Conflict

[speedofsoundsketches]

Seeing you talk about Movie!Sonic is so funny, because I could blab on for literal hours about how the characterization of Movie!Sonic is so good because he's just a kid and he's still learning and because he was alone for so long he clings to his new family and how his and Tom's relationship is just aadbhalsdjijhde and how he makes so many references because pop culture was all he had for 10 years and how the death of Longclaw still affects him to this day and how he was able to connect with Knuckles on a deeper level because of their shared loss and how he grows and changes through the influence of his parents and brothers and how he lived alone for 10 years surviving by himself and still managed to remain positive and how he purposely didn't run to San Fransisco by himself because he didn't want to leave earth just yet to be even more alone for the rest of his life and how he was able to encourage Tails and immediately adopted him and how he gave up the power of the emeralds to be with his family and how he was ready to KILL Eggman on sight the second the showed back up again and how he grew in between the first and second movie because he's a growing boy and finally has good nutrition and how he's so CUTE and FLUFFY and asdakdsjh

And you're like, "He's so annoying though."

And you know what? Valid. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

It's all good, on a surface level, I get that the whole "found family" scenario is a cute one.

But as a long time appreciator of this series, it's difficult for me to swallow that while knowing what makes Sonic Sonic is that he's not bogged down by negative emotions or insecurities. At least, not like THIS.

Sonic's someone who isn't bothered by being alone. In fact, he almost enjoys it maybe more than being in crowds. He likes meeting new people and interacting with them but he values his time with himself and just experiencing what life has to offer at his own speed. He was never afraid to explore, to go out into the world and see new horizons no matter what joys or dangers it'll bring.

And let me get even more controversial; I did not care for the owl mom. She had barely any screen time to warm up to her and give her a character beyond "Parental figure who dies in the first five minutes of the movie to garner cheap sympathy points from the audience".

Also why wasn't she.....structured like the usual Sonic character? I...

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I get there's an "arc" but it's a forced one. They HAD to force it to make him bonding with Tom and Maddie like they're his parents make sense. Again, using contrived plot points to lazily get from point A to point B with the basic structure they copy and pasted from other road trip movies like this. And a "character arc" that also lazily gets thrown on top of it.

I don't know. Cute moments just isn't enough to justify this for me as a viewer. I know this may come off as me being just cynical but it's more that I've been wise to the ways Hollywood uses dirty, cheap tricks to manipulate the audience's emotions to make things seem deeper than it really is. And it's just been getting worse. (especially in MCU movies pheewwwwwwwww)

[beevean]

I made a long list of how similar IDW and NFCV are for me, and in general, I'd say NFCV is IDW but ten times worse - it's just that IDW offends me more personally because Sonic is my franchise.

There are however some things I consider IDW worse for. NFCV has some pretty great fights, for example, the best ones being Trevor vs. Alucard, the gang vs. Dracula, and Trevor vs. Death; I can't think of one fight in IDW that made me go "yoooooooo this is sick <3". But one can say, well it's a different medium, IDW doesn't have animation, it's not fair. True.

I noticed that there is very little discourse on how OOC characters in NFCV are. Mostly it's because NFCV fans rarely are game fans as well lmao, but game fans seem to accept that the characters don't quite have the same personality. It seems to go like this:

yes, this character isn't the same, but it's because the original didn't have much personality in the first place (Trevor: fans really think the dude has zero personality so it doesn't matter if he was written as a stereotypical snarky edgy drunkard. Other examples would be Sypha and Carmilla)

yes, this character isn't the same, and it's a shame because they were cooler in the games (Hector. Yeah, just him. Ironically, as much of a Hector stan I am, I'm also willing to defend his potential in S2 lmao)

yes, this character isn't the same, but good thing because the original sucked (Isaac, which drives me mad because the two Isaacs have nothing in common so why are you even comparing them)

Alucard isn't usually involved in this conversation even though I consider him extremely OOC, but on the other hand, I never see anyone swear that he's IC either. (and no one cares about St. Germain lol)

... and this is the biggest difference with IDW, because fans swear that its Sonic is perfectly in line with his games portrayal. Even though there are game screenshots that directly contradict what he says in the comic. Sonic is a man of few words, IDW Sonic won't shut the fuck up; Sonic's only "principle" is helping people in need but otherwise he does what he wants; IDW Sonic acts as if he's restrained by his own moral code ("I won't sacrifice my principles out of fear"); Sonic won't even consider the idea that Eggman could reform, IDW Sonic believes that brain damage counts as reformation; Sonic lifts Shadow up and reminds him that he saved the world; IDW Sonic taunts Shadow over trying to blow up the planet; Sonic listens to Tails' advice and apologizes when he doesn't, IDW Sonic brushes him off constantly; Sonic doesn't like being called honorifics like Mr. Sonic, IDW Sonic sees nothing wrong with being called "sir" by an obviously traumatized kid... you get the idea.

He's not the only OOC character, of course, because we also have a profoundly stupid Eggman and a rude Shadow and an Amy that flipflops between being a competent leader and a scaredy cat who reliquishes her authority to Jewel, among others.

But, with the sole exception of Shadow whose lousy portrayal is blamed on Mandates, fans seem to really believe there is nothing wrong with anything. Sonic really is a merciful guy who would beg Eggman to come around! He so would stand on a rock spouting his whole life philosophy! Eggman really never has a solid plan! Amy really is that badass (well, yes, she is, but not like that lol)!

So this is what's infuriating. It's not only watching characters you love being bastardized or treated without respect; it's the total dissonance between what you see and what the majority sees, and knowing that this is legitimately influencing fanon's perception of said characters.

[la-nom-nom]

Previously

About time I tackle it.

I was an early 2000s kid so Dreamcast-Dark eras is my nostalgia for Sonic. However, to tell you the truth, I don’t really miss those times. There were good things but also things that did damage. Adventure? Eggman gets dethroned as Sonic’s main menace until Colors(from the more criticized Meta era). Adventure 2? Kickstarted the ultimate investment of Shadow the Hedgehog which overstayed its welcome into someone else’s anniversary game. Heroes? Limited interactions between characters, trio gimmick, and speed/flight/power system. I haven’t played 06 but it was the final straw for some. Things I’ve seen of 06 rubs me the wrong way but I’ll still play it.

I’m not a fan of Flynn, Stanley or other western influence, but the thing with the franchise is that writers come and go. The direction will be something for awhile then it shifts.

The update 3 for Frontiers definitely isn’t perfect heck I wouldn’t say I had fun the first time around. The trials were hard af even on easy mode, unable to figure out the cyber levels(didn’t finish a single task) and a good chunk of the challenges were very unrewarding by not uncovering much of the map. I didn’t care for Sage but I didn’t hate her either. This isn’t a complaint but more of a comment, the ending was the same (Sonic and friends reunited/saved, Sage returning to Eggman) the way it was shown made it “look” different.

Don’t have much to say about the dialogue, I was paying more attention to the gameplay. I didn’t even run into the (in)famous line by Amy of stating she’s no longer a damsel in distress. I could see how this was upsetting considering her character but given it’s not a recommendation to trigger it in order to progress in the game, it feels like an overreaction.

The main thing I feel was good was being able to play Tails, Knuckles, and Amy again. The controls such as Knuckles gliding were a bit hard, I did wish the hammer was more used in Amy’s moveset but the magical cards were fine, I actually liked how whimsical she looked. Using different music scores for each character was a nice touch and so were the details like how they parry (Amy using her hammer, Tails using a spring, Knuckles using his fists). Another thing that I felt was good from update 3 is that the finale felt like a climatic finale, unlike the original which was a recycled mini game.

I don’t think Frontiers is any more guilty than other installments of the series. Almost every time I see on the internet of people saying “At least *insert other game* did this right/better unlike Frontiers” I just think: you know that other game you uphold also has some issues too right? I see Frontiers doing what those other games did: trying things out. It’s what Sonic Team has always did and will continue to do so.

Despite my mixed feelings about the update as a whole, that doesn’t change the feelings I had while playing the base game which was the majority of Frontiers. Does it have its issues and missed potential? Yes, but so did the games before it. Sonic Frontiers gave me an experience that I will remember fondly.

[the-sky-queen]

Note From: Doctor Robert Aster

You should know better than to threaten me, little girl. I am quite smarter than you'll ever be. If you think your little mind games and tricks can work on my children, you're wrong.

My children are not being harmed, and you are quite childish for accusing me of such things. I would rather not waste my breath on someone the likes of you.

Furthermore, on the topic of the movie, many things are up to interpretation. I do not appreciate you stating very clearly that the whole scheme of the criminal was "good at heart" when it's only blatant manipulation.

And Rapunzel must've understood that this "kidnapping" was for her safety. What would the king and queen have done? According to the series, shelter her as well. Gothel was doing her a favor by giving her a proper loving mother and environment away from danger, like all good mothers do. I am a good father to my children, and this disrespect will not be tolerated.

Besides, my kids already know not to trust strangers. Why would they take these "packages" from you if they think it's something dangerous like a bomb? Endangering them would only hurt them further.

I'm sorry for your clear displeasure of me, but this antagonizing must cease.

[photo attached: A pile of burnt dvds of movies]

I will not say this again: Stop giving me your idiotic movies.

Ps. Who is this "Rose" girl and how does she know me?

Dearest Doctor Robert Lucero Aster.

You are quite fascinating. You really are.

I can't wait to watch you lose.

When I choose to get in contact with your children, there is no stopping me. They may be influenced by you, but as I said before. I have my ways.

I love how nonchalant you're being about this whole thing. You claim you've done nothing wrong, but both of us know that isn't true. It's fascinating how thoroughly you can deny the truth. But you've always been good at that, haven't you?

You deluded yourself into thinking Eggman would ever think of you as anything more than an errand boy. That you would ever be his equal. That he would ever take you back.

And then you deluded others. I know you remember them. All of them.

Surge and Kit.

Niko.

Camellia and Kyle.

Damien.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Your illustrious self, reduced to this.

You're better than this. I know you are. You know you are. But you'll never change.

You always have to be right. Admitting you were wrong is impossible. Unthinkable.

It's going to be so fun to break you down.

Sincerely,

~ Sky

P.S. Excuse me sir, you're the one who contacted ME. If you wish to avoid getting your feelings hurt, kindly stop sending me messages.

P.P.S. Rose's identity is currently being protected by me and her friends. Though I doubt she'll allow herself to remain unknown forever . . . But it'll be her choice if she wishes to reveal herself.

[prowerprojects]

It's cool, we're just spitballing, right? (If there's a chance the birds were brought back or reworked, I'm almost certain they'll come with redesigns. Kinda like the Chaotix. {Speedy's Archie designs looks too close to Jet's} Plus, I think it'd be interesting if they got to bird species that are more obscure than the usual candidates. Could play a role on the gameplay goes with how many different birds there are.)

But yeah, I'm generally open to something completely new too. Again, hoping for a species that's not the most known or is underutilized. (I think this is why I don't care for them being a canine. Tails doesn't need a fox version of Shadow and fox/wolf dynamics are done to death.) Hmm, him discovering anthros that have unusual mutations/anomalies like him might be fun. And no, I don't mean more multi-tailed beings. :P (Since they more or less dropped it with Fang, I'm curious if they'd ever attempt a hybrid again.)

I remember seeing a post that highlighted how Eggman as a father, reeeally is not as wholesome as it's made out to be and actually sparks some worrying implications for Sage when you look back at old creations; including Metal. (INB4 before Sage expresses more jealousy whenever Sonic and Tails bond like family and tries so hard to replicate that, to Eggman's chagrin.)

Oh yeah! I think it would be interesting if they had characters based on the birds from around the world. It would really highlight the size of the armada and all of them could have distinct designs. (Even though technically all the birds are aliens so technically they're not from around the world? I have to admit I don't quite remember the bird lore. But even then it would be visual ques for the audience)

Omg fox!Shadow. The idea is just too funny. Personally I would have suggested a tanuki but we've already got Marine. Alternatively, instead of a canine, have Tails's antagonist be a species that foxes usually prey upon. Some visual storytelling. Hybrids... could be interesting but considering how many questions it'll spawn, probably not during the era when they're trying to keep lore cohesive.

YEAH. I have no delusions about Eggman and Sage's relationship. I don't begrudge anyone who wants to portray them as sweet and loving in their fanworks, but if we're talking canon-adjacent Eggman, there's no way. I think Eggman does care about Sage in his own way, the problem is that he doesn't care enough, and it could actually be more painful than if he didn't care at all. But the simple truth is that he's too self-absorbed to ever compromise on his desires in favor of Sage's and I wouldn't put it past him to outright manipulate Sage if he needs to. (Plus I'm worried he'll be a bad influence on her. (But of course he will be). She seems like a sweet enough kid now, but who knows what absorbing his views and fighting for his attention would turn her into.)

What's inevitably going to develop between Sage and the other creations of Eggman's is the Golden Child/Scapegoat dynamic. It's toxic all around and affects all the people involved, even if in different ways. It doesn't matter if Eggman considers other creations his kids the same way he does Sage because she does consider them her siblings, and what's important if we're talking about how it would affect her. Plus, and I already mentioned it before, even if he was the best father to Sage herself, it's a known fact that children get traumatized just from witnessing abuse happening around them, so the way he treats the people she also considers family would affect her. Sage is in a bad situation just from being a creation of Eggman's and I can't help but feel bad for her. (All she wants is a wholesome family life but it is impossible just by the virtue of her dad being a horrible person)

[egg-emperor]

I saw this toss in about the whole "Eggdad" thing: Even if Eggman never lays a hand on Sage; that doesn't necessarily mean this stops for the rest of his creations. And Sage has to bear witness to that. (A parent showing blatant favoritism towards certain kids isn't wholesome by any means and hardly ever leads to anything good for every kid involved; including the ones that sucks up all the attention. It's silly to think that this wouldn't affect Sage in some way. Gamma wasn't an AI, and yet the actions Eggman had him do [and Amy's words] had him think twice. Omega was tossed away, and now seeks revenge. Even Metal Sonic rebelled, which ultimately resulted in him being reset. *With Sonic's influence changing how she calculated outcomes, what's stopping her from having her "canon event" later?)

*Note: This doesn't really mean yet another rebellion from an Eggman invention. (In anything, I'm more intrigued about the opposite happening. Like Sage struggling with perfectionism to NOT wind up like previous creations did. Constant approval seeking.)

Yeah exactly. I think a lot of the people who didn't wanna hear me out were missing the point of my analysis, hc, and fic about this. They were acting like I'm predicting that Eggman will be depicted smacking Sage around or something but I don't think he will because well- he literally can't. At least I don't think so because Sage is an AI program and his hands should just phase right through her if he were to try anyway.

Instead I was actually highlighting how terribly he treats all his other creations of Metal Sonic, the E Series, and Orbot and Cubot and how he's even manipulated those who were created/worked on by his grandfather with Emerl and Shadow. It'd make a lot of sense if he manipulated Sage in various ways and one way can actually be through treating her better than his other creations that he still treats terribly.

It's highly likely for him to at least be manipulative towards her, in fact he pretty much is in the Frontiers' story. Because he'll yell at her one moment when she doesn't do exactly what he wants but highly praises her the next when she does. He'll raise his voice and thump things that he can hit when he's angry at her, just as he does his other creations. Only difference is that he can't actually hit her like them.

But hitting them physically isn't the only way he can be a bad father and show concerning traits that support that. It's all throughout Frontiers for the above, which is present in multiple cutscenes. And also the way his value of Sage is solely rooted in what she can do for him and how great and impressive of a genius she makes him look as her creator in the first place, as he makes very clear in the memos.

That's already a lot of pressure put on Sage. She's expected to meet these expectations in loyalty and efficiency that Eggman brags about in the memos, otherwise she isn't reflective of his genius and doesn't bring him the selfish gain he desires, which will lose what gives her value and use to him in his own words! And not just that, but also the point you've raised about how he treats his other creations.

I've seen a lot of people acting like the way Eggman treated his other creations suddenly doesn't matter or just ignore it. But let's not pretend that Eggman isn't awfully cruel to Orbot and Cubot all the time in the games, which I explored in depth in my "proof that Eggman is a bad father" video. He has been verbally and physically abusive towards them and there's no other word for it or any excuses to make against it.

That isn't suddenly erased just because he sees more value in Sage (for very selfish conceited self serving reasons at that) and half-heartedly entertains the idea of Orbot and Cubot being like her brothers. It actually makes it worse that he's willing to see them that way with the way he treats them. It just means he's canonically both verbally and physically abusive to "kids" of his already, regardless of if he is to Sage.

I've seen it depicted in cutesy funny ways to have Eggman treat Sage better in front of the others, but the blatant favoritism of some creations over others, that's based on who is the most impressive and useful to him at the time, would have harmful effects on all involved in reality. Sage has to keep living up to that and he can use her as an example to get the others to fight harder for the same praise.

The Murder of Sonic had Eggman do this intentionally by having them compete against to serve him well to impress him and get praise and "rewards" and I really like that. He programs them with feelings just to take advantage of them like that and that's just so Eggman. I can see him doing more of the exact same thing in the main games with how their worth is determined by their use there too.

Sage, Metal Sonic, and Orbot and Cubot would all be affected badly by this when they realize Eggman's affection and praise is conditional, shallow, and manipulative in these ways. When they realize that it's really all determined by what is the most beneficial to him personally, while buttering them up to keep them loyal and efficient, set an example and act as a measuring stick to the others but tosses them if they fail.

And Gamma was also a victim of this as a top example of what shows how harmful it is when Eggman picks a favorite! Eggman praised Gamma highly and said he was proud of him in the exact same way he did to Sage and say that he knew he'd be of use (again proving that their value is determined by their use to him), to butter him up and keep him performing well- even though he clearly had doubts in him prior.

It was very manipulative of Eggman to that just like it appears to me with Sage too. It's even similar to TMoS in a way, with how he pit Gamma against Beta in a fight and all the E Series had to search for Froggy and he punished the failures cruelly by breaking them down, disassembling them and putting them back together, which disturbed Gamma so much that he was willing to kill his brothers to set them all free.

And Omega was shut away by Eggman and he hated being sealed in that room, not even the important duty of guarding the real Shadow and ensuring that he didn't escape was enough to feel valued and be happy. Just because he can be useful to him, it doesn't change that Eggman is still cruel and uncaring and will lock him away and not care if he wants it or not. His value and praise is a performance and only for his gain.

And Metal Sonic is also another of the top examples of what it's like to be treated badly by Eggman to the point that he tries to rebel twice but not be so lucky to escape like the E Series and Omega because he's trapped being reprogrammed again and again and kept under his control to ensure that he's not going anywhere. No matter how useful a creation is to him at one point or another, they all suffer in some way.

There are many ways Eggman could be cruel or harmful to Sage. I think he's already shown signs of how and used some tactics on her in Frontiers, going by his track record and the known intentions and reasons behind it confirmed by Ian Flynn. Maybe they'll decide to expand on it blatantly, maybe they won't. But I think it's there subtly already and those conditions are very accurate to his character.

Then you have the extras of Eggman calling Sage "ugly/unseemly" before he gave her shoes in the Sonic Channel art (what was seen as a sweet cute gift by fans still had him being a jerk in it like lol wtf Eggman) and in Murder of Sonic, he's still yelling at Orbot in front of her, so she has witnessed Eggman still very much being terrible to his other creations/her brothers and in front of her in official media already!

And yeah I don't see Sage betraying Eggman with the stuff she witnessed both from how he treats her and Sonic and co and how she still stuck by his side and stayed genuinely loyal and willing to protect and serve. Even after all that and how she also revealed that she doubted he even cared about her, as she asked Sonic if he thinks Eggman does (to which Sonic could only mutter "sure... in his own way" lol)

Eggman doesn't even have to give her much to keep her loyal and efficient as it's what he created her to do and it was a success, she's devoted and willing regardless of how he treats her. She was like that even before he gave her an ounce of praise and even after he yelled at her. But the manipulation of her emotions by buttering her up with that praise, albeit conditional, helps further ensure it will stay that way.

And when his other creations see the praise and approval Sage gets, they'll wish they could get that too and will work harder to try to please him, which is exactly what he wants. But he has and continues to treat his other creations terribly even in front of her when they don't, which puts even more pressure on her having to continue living up to that standard to keep him pleased and avoid ending up like them.

So yeah, regardless of how Eggman treats Sage on the surface, there's always those dark undertones, the bad signs that have shown in their interactions, and the toxic basis of their dynamic on Eggman's side as officially confirmed. It's supposed to be unsettling as Flynn said for a reason. And he still treats his other creations blatantly terribly in front of her which also isn't pleasant and can have harmful effects.

They're not the picture perfect family that people find cute and ideal and that's actually the point. And it will definitely be interesting to see how Sage remains loyal and devoted but will have to deal with her father doing things like this to her brothers and what she thinks and he feels about it. It will probably be like how she took a liking to Sonic and co but Eggman just wants them dead but still she stayed by him despite that.

[maguro13-2]

The Dark Beginnings ~ Origins of the Ink Demon Chapter 0 Final Prologue (6/7) ~

*Sonic SFX : Chaos Control*

Seto : Alright, is everyone aboard?

Sonic : I think so.

Eggman : OHHH!!! The Death Egg! That darn robot blew it up! And it costs me 5000 dollars!

Seto : Really? I thought it would make you a millionaire, never know geniuses would have all that money.

Shadow : Looks like the doctor's space station is finished.

Sonic : This is the last time we've seen Emerl. I don't know why we were fretting over this.

Darkside Death : Because all of a you were such crybabies for a war machines that kills people.

Sonic : Shadow? Did you say something?

Shadow : No that wasn't my voice. It was something else.

Grim (Metal Sonic) : !? I feel a major disturbance that lies within the reach of darkness. I smell...

[Anubis (Impossible) - Maki Kirioka]

Grim (Metal Sonic) : Heartless!

*DBZ SFX : Suspense!*

Grim (Metal Sonic) : Look outside the window! Someone is here to meet in you person!

Amy : AAAH! What is that!?

Knuckles : Aw, Gnarly!

Rouge : What is that thing!?

Tails : Holy Fishpaste, who the barnacles that!?

Sonic : Woah! Who's the big guy!

Cream : I'm currently wetting myself!

Seto : Relax. That's Darkside Death, Lord Death's true form aka the Real charlatan.

Sonic : Darkside Death, you say? You mean...

All : THAT'S SHINIGAMI'S TRUE FORM!?!

Darkside Death : I never that you would all cower in fear that it would eventually happen to a machine that disappears into thin air. I knew that the mustache moron would let others die just for the sake of you heroes that wanted to protect humanity that are the arrogant species like the echidnas. He was such a capable machine from Professor Gerald.

Sonic : You! You caused all of this!

Eggman : And who do you think you're calling a mustache moron for!?

Shadow : So you're the one behind Witchkind's blame, eh? You hurt Ashley and Marisa's people...for the Devil.

Darkside Death : No, not me. Well...Perhaps from Shinra Kusakabe's orders. I even had to let him die when the Time Eater arrived to destroy his world just to annihilate him for his death.

Amy : I don't know how to say this, but this Shinigami creature that Maka has been working for is a heartless jerk.

Tails : I can't believe you! You made us cry like a bunch of little kids! Why you no good for nothing reaper!

Seto : You're gonna pay for that now, Heartless! You let your creator your die and you even manipulated everyone! I'm gonna finish this quick and we'll see who's the true Shinigami! I won't back down from a heartless coward like you!

Grim (Metal Sonic) : I'm gonna make you suffer!

Darkside Death : (chuckles) Simple as that, you will all die! A farewell gift to those who died peacefully for each of their sake!

Sonic : I'm gonna let you finish him off! Go get him, Seto! Show them what a true reaper you are!

Seto : Thanks for that, Sonic. I won't forget!

Sonic : Ready, Shadow?

Shadow : I'm ready as you are!

[Live and Learn by Crush 40 plays]

*DBZ SFX : Energy warbling+Big Aura*

Seto : (whistles) That's super gold.

Sonic : Alright, Shadow! Let's go take this bad guy out!

Shadow : Copy that!

*DBZ SFX : Instant Transmission*

Seto : Gladly that we can float in space. Hope we don't mind joining you in the fight?

Shadow : It's your call.

Darkside Death : Now this is some good entertainment. I really wanted this form of battle to stand against me. So you'll be lucky that I will be the manipulating these kids to be the under the influence of Shinra Kusakabe!

"Vs...DARKSIDE DEATH"

Seto : Sorry! But I don't take orders from heartless and you're master! You crossed the line, faker!

(Battle Begins)

Darkside Death : Now this is my kind of show! Let's just get this on the road! I wanna more and more power from the devil's influence, a will of the Devil that the meisters have been under! It's all part of my plan for universal domination!

Seto : You think that we're dumb enough to be part of a stupid influence? No we may not let you make Real World AU yours! I only protect the universe to those that is much saving the galaxy than the world itself and you're not the reaper that Maka knew! This sword that I was given has been keeping a secret! It's actually my sword that has the power of a Reaper and I will be the Shinigami that will make everyone their's to be influence me!

Super Sonic : Such a coward like you for hurting a witch's heritage and that is your own fault! Manipulating others was your dirty work and that is the coward's way!

Darkside Death : Coward's way? You make it sound so noble of you! I just let Shinra, Shotaro, and the girls of the Ohkuboverse to make their selves the greatest heroes that I entrust and you want them to believe in truth! But the men of Shinra influence has made humans and witches becoming the arrogant species when the Soul Resonance would be the successor that is key to the future of the Ohkuboverse. But to tell you that, there is no future to the Ohkuboverse! I only wanted to make everyone wake up to reality!

Super Shadow : Say whatever you want, but you're still a coward that spreads the lies to humanity's face! Human and witches are neither nor heartless!

Grim (Metal Sonic) : A human is a human!

Seto : A witch is a witch!

Super Sonic : And heartless is a heartless! Never bring those lies to you!

Super Shadow : This is for making us kill Emerl you creep! Chaos Spear!

*DBZ SFX : Rapid Energy Shots*

Darkside Death : Grrrrgh!!! I'll make sure that you and all of these will sufffer the same fate!

Sonic : You're gonna pay for this!

*DBZ SFX : Exclamation Mark*

Johnny Gioeli : Hey, what gives! Who cut off our song!?

Jun Senoue : Oh my God! Look! (points to something into the sky)

[The World Came Crumbling Down - Yutaka Minobe]

Sonic & Shadow : No way!

Penny Crygor : What the-!?

Ashley : No...It can't be! This heartless created a thing that would end all of Witchkind...including humans.

Kimial Diehl : That could mean thing! This heartless a weapon that could destroy earth! It's a Torpedo!

*DBZ SFX : Suprise!*

Seto : A MISSILE IS YOUR ONLY WEAPON TO DESTROY THE PLANET!?! A VILLAIN LIKE YOU IS SO STUPID OR INSANE! HOW CAN YOU TRUST MAKA ALBARN IF YOU'RE DOING THAT TO OUR PLANET!?!

Darkside Death : BECAUSE OF SHINRA KUSAKABE! THAT ATSUSHI OHKUBO IS SUCH A WEIRD MAN WITH SELF-CONFIDENCE! ALL HUMANS LIKE HIM IS FILLED WITH ARROGANCE, HUMANS AND WITCHES COULD'VE BRING PEACE TOGETHER! So If I can't be Shinigami and if there is no witches to be left on the planet, NOBODY WILL...NOBODY CAN!

Penny Crygor : (via radio) Ashley, Kimmy! The Shinigami that everyone knew was this heartless! Shinra and Maka were played from the start! Lord Death is the bad guy and not Shotaro!

Ashley : Does that mean Shotaro the Dokeshi is innocent?

Darkside Death : Watch as I oblierate Real World AU with this super deadly missile created from the powers... of Darkness!!!

*DBZ SFX : Energy Ball throw*

Johnny Gioeli : Oh god! We're all gonna die!

Seto : I gotta help the inhabitants and save the earth!

Darkside Death : Watch as I obliterate Real World AU with this deadly weapon I have given to all humans and witches a sake for the Kusakabe! I give you, the MISSILE OF DARKNESS!!

[Project C (Master CONTRA Phase 2) - Sota Fujimori]

Seto : Uh-oh! If we don't stop that missile soon, the whole planet will be destroyed!

Grim (Metal Sonic) : Damn, heartless! No wonder why Soul World existed in the first place!

Super Sonic : Shadow! We need to collect those rings to stop that missile!

Super Shadow : That could be a ring to work, but our super powers can't match the powers of darkness against that thing! We need some fire power that attracts light to darkness.

Seto : Light to darkness...Light to Darkness...

Sora's Voice : This is what's light to darkness. A chance to make eveeryone!

[Reunion - Kenichi Tokoi]

*ADVANCED!*

Seto : Light to Darkness! That's it That could work into my advantage! We can stop the missile with the powers of light! If they want light, I'll give them light to darkness! A chance to make everyone happy! Now let's take this missile down before it touches down the earth!

Sonic and Shadow : Got it!

Grim (Metal Sonic) : Nevertheless! It's time make the heartless pay for sabotaging our planet!

Seto : I just got one last trick to stop that deadly missile! I'm going to make a payback for whoever created Darkside Death!

"Let there be light, This is the final showdown!"

~ Prologue 31 : Beginning of the End Pt.1 ~