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The Philosophy of Pragmatics
The philosophy of pragmatics is a branch of philosophy that focuses on the study of language use in context, particularly the ways in which speakers use language to communicate effectively and achieve their communicative goals. Pragmatics is concerned with how meaning is inferred from context, how speakers convey and interpret meaning beyond the literal content of their words, and how language is used to perform actions and achieve social purposes.
Key aspects of the philosophy of pragmatics include:
Speech Acts: Pragmatics examines the performative aspect of language, studying how utterances are used to perform actions and bring about changes in the world. Speech act theory, developed by philosophers such as J.L. Austin and John Searle, investigates the illocutionary force of utterances (what speakers do in uttering sentences) and the perlocutionary effects of utterances (the effects they have on hearers).
Implicature and Inference: Pragmatics explores implicature, which refers to the meaning that is conveyed indirectly or implied by an utterance beyond its literal meaning. Philosophers analyze how hearers infer implicatures based on conversational context, background knowledge, and pragmatic principles. Gricean maxims, formulated by philosopher H.P. Grice, outline principles of conversation that guide speakers and hearers in cooperative communication.
Presupposition: Pragmatics investigates presupposition, which refers to the assumptions that speakers make about what their interlocutors already know or accept as true. Philosophers examine how presuppositions are conveyed linguistically and how they affect the interpretation of utterances.
Context and Contextual Meaning: Pragmatics considers the role of context in shaping meaning and interpretation. Philosophers analyze how linguistic meaning is enriched or modified by contextual factors such as situational context, linguistic context, and social context.
Reference and Anaphora: Pragmatics explores issues related to reference and anaphora, studying how speakers refer to entities in the world and how they establish coherence and cohesion in discourse through pronouns, demonstratives, and other referring expressions.
Politeness and Face: Pragmatics examines politeness and face-saving strategies in communication, investigating how speakers manage interpersonal relationships and social status through language use.
Overall, the philosophy of pragmatics offers insights into the dynamic and interactive nature of language use, shedding light on how speakers navigate the complexities of communication to convey meaning effectively and achieve their communicative goals.
#philosophy#epistemology#knowledge#learning#chatgpt#education#ontology#metaphysics#psychology#Pragmatics#Speech Acts#Implicature#Presupposition#Context#Cooperation#Reference#Politeness#Gricean Maxims#Conversational Principles
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Alright, I'm gonna need you guys to stop joking about ending women's suffrage because you don't like how some women are voting. You know that's called supression of dissendent opinion, right? And it's like the opposite of democracy?
#mouse mumbles: rage edition#like great! we can acknowledge that women tend to vote liberal#but the solution is not to ban all women from voting#the solution is to look at what makes conservatisism unlikable to women and to work on fixing it#without compromising on fundamental principles such as abortion#but oftentimes it's because of the latent misogyny that y'all hold#women are not children! we had this conversation already#your stoics will not save you
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It's fitting that Dan Fucks is about to become the mayor because everyone in this brain is fucking horny right now
#mentopolis#d20#d20 spoilers#like the fix and pasha#and their weird fact flirting#imelda and fucking hv lance out of nowhere with a steel chair#dan fucks#just dan fucks in general#(almost didn't count him just on principle)#but like almost every episode has had at least one prolonged sexually charged conversation#which makes sense this guy's been repressing his pleasure for so long it's building up pressure thats finally releasing#also just genuinely shocked at how perfect impulse and hypervigilance as a couple are#'i can and will just do shit at a drop of a hat' vs#'anything can fucking happen at anytime so you gotta always be prepared'#fitting that he'd be freeze's second in command#this is getting ranty anyways
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just talked to my 91 year old friend (lifelong Republican voter, surrounded her whole life by lifelong Republican voters) who said "I can't believe I'm not voting this year because there's no one I can bring myself to vote for... but I'm sure I'm not alone" and I said "yup you sure aren't"
#my conversations with her about politics are very illuminating and depressing.#this is a deeply kind principled woman- she has been incredibly supportive of me being transgender. she is a pillar of her community.#she is very concerned about combating bigotry and social injustice.#but she has been lied to so consistently in such an echo chamber for /ninety years/#you can chip away at this (and I have been) but not on a mass level at any speed. idk man.#us politics cw
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Not too sure if you keep up with jp twst updates but have you seen the new Halloween update with the fox dude, Honest Fellow? (Yes that's his name, I'm just gonna call him honest John cause his name's an adjective). I am seriously loving how expressive he is, his devious expressions are so good
i am keeping very up to date with what y'all are doing over there and so far i've been delighted by the idea that, while half of the school's named population is experiencing a prolonged hatecrime in a french catholic school, the other half will be running away to nonconsensual join a circus led by a catboy and nick wilde's humansona. i don't know enough about him to have any major thoughts, but rollo was so fun and it seems like they'll be going just as hard for this event as they did for the glorious masquerade. any event with an ortho ssr is bound to slap and i have no reason to doubt that honest fellow (because i refuse to disrespect such a brave naming choice) will contribute to that.
i don't usually read translations for events but i think i might at least find a summary or something, this time. there's just something about a deceptively charming ringleader with a habit of luring people into his pocket-reality fantasy land that feels like it would go really well with what i do here.
#i don't know if i've emphasized this enough but i am NOTHING if not an ortho stan#and if i wasn't an ortho stan#i'd be an ace stan#and therefore the fact i can't read japanese is really killing me rn#i want to see my boys T-T#and i think the character choice in general for this event was really interesting#ortho is arguably one of ths most mature characters in twst#but he still really struggles with not falling into his more idealistic principles and taking his reality for what it is#whereas kalim is much more childish and constantly punished and chastised for that childishness#despite it being the source of his most impressive traits (kindness perseverance etc.) and the source of his growth#and ace is just sorta in ninth grade#the worst of all sins that he will surely be swiftly punished for#dfjksjdklsjdfkjslk i like this game can you tell#the only downside is that yuu probably won't be there#although i wouldn't be mad if the writers just made it like#the back-to-back worst two weeks of the pc's life#like you get home from your impromptu conversion and then immediately have to go figure out wtf is going on with that weird circus#it's not /totally/ impossible considering the camping events#and it kinda feels like something crowley would do tbh#personal#anon ask
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trying to look for a ttrpg group in spaces where I can't just go 'listen I want to play this shit in the tumblr fandom kind of model (gay subtext extremely welcome bordering on essential, mutual unhinged character psychoanalysis, we could create a novel of a backstory together to make this sadder, let's all play with our OC dolls together and also sometimes dice are rolled I guess)' and be readily understood and/or not be immediately side-eyed or denigrated for my inherent unavoidable tumblerinaness feels like such an annoying debuff to deal with on the quest. like I know my people exist out there but how do I express myself in the right way and wade through all the copious not-it (not for me) dynamics to find them!!!
#I feel like a weird kid in the playground trying to find someone who plays the same way as me all over again fhdksjfa#(and if/when I find them -- how the fuck to approach them)#turns out there are so many ways to play rpgs that do not appeal to me in the slightest#there are so many dimensions -- creative interpersonal gameplay-wise -- where you can severely not match with someone lmao#with half of the people I've come across it seems like it would be a struggle just to agree there should be a session 0 :')#but I know I KNOW this could be exactly my kind of fun with the right people it's a little maddening#(my group of friends when I was 12-13 was like... we were trying SO hard to play an rpg without having an rpg to play#some from first principles but with no guidelines to help us stuff#and it was one of my rare 'oh fuck. oh fuck yeah this could be it!!' social moments at that time lol. clearly something instinctive there)#I have been lurking around in a discord server on a more national/local level but I'm not gonna lie... a lot of The Good Old Boys shit#dominating the conversation there. I really don't think they mean to take all the oxygen out of the room for everyone else but uh#it's kind of just what happens. I have seen seen hour-long debates over definitions so esoteric and navel-gazing it would haunt your dreams#trying to wade through that to find the people who might vibe more with me seems... so exhausting and I don't know howww!!#the high masking autistic blues plays again
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[Just a general reminder for those who roleplay: make sure you don't dictate other characters' actions and feelings in your asks and replies ☺️ Nobody wants to have their autonomy taken away! If you really want to make your intent known, instead of writing "He hugs her" try "He makes a move to hug her", "He attempts to hug her", "You can see it in his eyes that he wants to hug her", and so on. That way the other character can change the narrative if they are uncomfortable 🫂. But even in that case they are not obligated to reply and you should respect that.
And if you think that nobody is interested in your blog — I guarantee it's not the case! Chances are, not that many people know about your OC/MC/character you play so try to put yourself out there! Engage with people! Send asks, write replies, do reblogs, DM if you have any questions or if it puts your mind at ease before plunging into rp! I know it's hard if you're a shy or reserved person. But nobody else can solve this for you 🫂 ]
#[Just don't be weird or creepy ;)]#[Justifying violations by saying “That's just what my character does” is not right — *you* are the one in charge of how you play]#[Roleplayers have their boundaries too]#[Even if it's something that might seem non-threatening at first glance cause media conditioned us to ignore it]#[Like kissing a character out of the blue]#[Sure things like that happen in real life]#[But this is not real life and you would make people feel unsafe roleplaying around you because everyone here could read what's been posted#[It is one thing to agree to things like that beforehand or your friends know you well and another — throw it at somebody]#[Both the character and roleplayer]#[If they have a post talking about dos and don'ts — really read it before interacting!]#[Also no worries; nothing happened and I didn't receive anything violating]#[Just a thing that's been on my mind for a long time and it's not just about written roleplay either]#[Game systems like DnD and Fate and even silly smaller games like Mouse Guard are part of this conversation too]#[It's just a little different when spoken but the principle is still the same: your freedom ends where freedom of the other person begins]
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what hurts about saezuru in a more subtle way is that yashiro can't fully trust even nanahara. he's the safest man for him to be around (in my opinion), he's not at risk of sexual or physical violence with him, nanahara genuinely cares about, loves and respects yashiro while not ignoring his flaws, and he's willing to put his own life on the line for his sake if needed. but he still has to answer to misumi and amou, he's still part of the system. and he loves it, he wants to stay, he wants yashiro to get a group again, it's the only way of living he's ever known. it sucks, doesn't it? you have this one person who's been around you for years, who cares so much that it gets to the point of being annoying at times, who will jump in front of a bullet on instinct, and yet you still have to be painfully aware that you can't trust him with everything, that he still might get you in trouble just because he's part of the same system that's been hurting you for decades.
#need to get both of them out idc that nanahara wants to stay#if it comes to that i'm pretty sure he'd follow yashiro anywhere and realistically speaking nanahara doesn't really belong in yakuza either#he's way too kind principled and trusting. if he was under someone else he'd probably be dead by now#which is for another conversation that's just about nanahara (get me out of here so i have the time and energy to talk about thist stuff)#saezuru tag
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usually i try to respect strangers' privacy and not listen in on their phone conversations (<- lie, i'm a nosy bitch) but this girl on the tram was speaking in such a fascinating mixture of hungarian and arabic, i could listen to it for hours
#big fan of the audible application of the “it fucks the flow” principle#where sometimes she would drop a hungarian word in the middle of arabic and it was accented#and then she would later repeat that same word with perfect pronunciation when it was in a hungarian context#VERY nice to hear. sorry to be a linguistics nerd about someone's private phone conversation
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Are you aware that I'm-a-gay-fish and Zu ship dr//m/are ?/genq
okay so it took me a while to answer this but i finally found the words to so here goes; yeah i do know, and i totally understand if you don't ship it, neither do i, but there's nothing i can do about it?
they're allowed, so long as they don't harm people, to do whatever they want on their own platforms. and before you ask me if i support *ncest, would you actually ask someone if they support toxic relationships and murder whenever they ship two unhealthy killers with mental problems? because that's funnily enough what most people do around here! you can say it's not the same, and that they're romanticizing it, but i can personally detach myself from fiction enough to realize that while this concept depicted in their art shouldn't be recreated in real life, that doesn't mean they actually engage or support people that do that irl- they asked zu the same question so many times, and frog doesn't either and i've known gayfish for three years! you're well within your right to stop associating with them or distance yourself from their content but i myself won't.
i know fiction affects reality to a degree, don't twist my words please, but if you're too young to consume that kind of content with a nuanced perspective or is triggered/affected by it then as long as they tag their content properly then you can unfollow, block and move on. i have a habit of following and reblogging people's works before looking at their bios and before i know it find myself having to choose between two sides i don't belong to and i frankly don't want to! anti this or proship that- in this online era you have to adapt by keeping your cool and curating your own online experience and viewing people in black and whites is stressful, painful and dangerous for everyone involved. i don't even reblog the content you probably have a problem with, and i'm honestly still scared of the response i'll get-
i will not blame or hate whoever unfollows or blocks me for this, it's to be expected, but please don't think about it like some bad vs good guys dilemma? sometimes thought provoking morally grey ambiguous stories with messed up characters spark more positive discussion and healing than people looking into it because they suffer from the same delusions and want a justification-
like realistically, in my blog, most ppl here are basically shipping two literal skeletons with magic in their bones who are sometimes almost the exact copy of one another, and who theoretically have a very similar dna, and sometimes they make shipkids, which, if you know anything about *ncest, is one of the main reasons why you shouldn't bang your siblings - mostly from a moral standpoint because that's so gross i can't even think of it, but also because any offspring would suffer greatly from physical and mental diseases hidden in their genetic code- like. you could argue it's not the same but it's sancest for a reason. and even when they're widely different sanses, you wouldn't think fell x sans is wrong (at least in this specific community) but really we've all just gotten numb to how weird that sounds. trust me, there's a reason we don't talk about our ships to outsiders HHH
TL,DR: so while i greatly encourage you to block people and content you don't want to see/associate with, including me! i hope i made it clear why i, personally, don't care about dreammare and whoever ships it.
#thank you to anyone who made it this far and gave me a chance to voice my opinion :')#sorry this is long but i want to make it as precise and close as many holes as i can with my arguments before i receive an ask about it#it's fine if you do btw i wanna clear any doubts and i know for a fact a loot of you will either leave or be conflicted and trust me i know#it's the whole reason why i was avoiding this conversation! i kept on hoping everyone was on the same page but we're not and that's okay#truthfully i can only hope that the people who'll leave this blog after this take the opportunity to question the fics and media they like#-in the future. don't force yourself to enjoy something you don't but nothing is as cut to the point as 'this is gross stop talking'#for the record you won't see me reblog any dreammare or anything about it because i don't even like them like that so why would i HHH#also i'm sorry but zu is quite frankly the sweetest person i've ever met and frog has been supporting ME for as long as i can remember!!#they're such a big part of this blog and the reason for it's existence so i'll choose them and my principles over faking a view i don't hav#have an amazing day everyone and thanks again for passing by muah muah :'D <333
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Craft club delivered yet another clanger of an overheard conversation in the form of two older ladies discussing how they've learned to express themselves more clearly about what they want, to lean in to prioritising things they themselves like and find interesting instead of putting themselves second by default, and breaking the habit of not spending money on themselves. And I was so proud and happy for them until one said, "You just have to tell them what you want, they [men] are hardwired to provide and protect!" and what little was left of my soul departed my body for good.
#they weren't the same ladies who reinvented the temperance movement from first principles the other month#i thought i was safe from this sort of thing in the secondary room not the main room but these two were having a chat on their way out#at their usual late-middle aged conversational volume with no other chatter in the room to help tune them out#just forced to witness feminism being invented and destroyed in the space of 15 minutes
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I think the thing ppl don’t get whenever ppl make art of sexy nuns or make commentary comics about priests being pedo perverts is that it gives ppl the power to lightly strip that religion of it’s overwhelming power it has over their lives.
like I think it’d be one thing if christianity was just a normal chill religion with maybe a handful of nuts but the fact that the nuts have political & intuitional power over us and use that power to make the lives of people worse…
like idk I could be wrong but I feel like I have the right to make art of a busty furry nun drinking piss because of that maybe
#opal speaks#it also helps that like MOST ppl making sexy nun art are of the faith or ex-faith.#like they should be allowed to do that on principle no?#and obviously this conversation has its nuances but I think overall… it’s just kinda simple?
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Having finally been driven to blacklisting content, I'd like to take this moment to say that no annoying/overexposed/boring/formulaic/etc. musician will ever be as irritating to me as their fans and their haters are.
#let us all shut up more often & more vigorously#especially about the artistic virtues & vices of strangers whose lives affect us not at all#amen#just go about your business in peace#also why is this something that happens to me so often#so many musicians I could do without attract the most devoted evangelists#for example#perhaps I could have learned to like Nick Cave#but I will never know because too many Cave-ites were constantly trying to ram him into my ears at every turn#and eventually I rebelled on principle because so many annoying people were trying to make me do the same thing#there are very few people with whom I want to have in-depth conversations about music#as someone who does not press music upon others#I don't understand this behavior#if you like the music I am playing#presumably you will ask about it#if you hate it#I assume you'll let me know#that's good enough for me#also if you hate the music I'm playing & say so#I will not start crying about how the music is actually great & the musician is secretly the messiah#I will play something else that we can both enjoy#I am OK with you not liking my music#I can blast it for myself when you are not around
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due to unforeseen circumstances I will not be choosing this dialogue option
#the talos principle#the talos principle spoilers#milton library assistant#good omens#good omens season 2#good omens season 2 spoilers#context: this is your last conversation with the serpent before you peace out#I had planned to take advantage of the asshole dialogue option this time#but nope#can’t do it now
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thinkin again about the time elyss's DM cut in to stop a conversation between her and a semi-retired player character to hurriedly take back control of him as an NPC before he could give her, as an extremely kind and thoughtful gift, one of his own personal belongings, and then said 'elyss can probably buy it from him though :)' instead
like. what an egregiously fucking shitty thing to do, actually.
#I think we were caught SO offguard that neither of us was able to articulate a good resistance although we both tried#eldryn's player: ...I mean... he WAS going to just give it to her#DM: haha well I don't wanna just give you guys too much stuff [???]#me: I mean-- you JUST gave us like? ten thousand gold and a castle that we didn't even ask for ......?#I HAVE the money [2000g????] and I don't actually care about losing it but.............???#DM: yeah so I just feel like I've already given you guys a lot lately#WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS: THAT WAS A GIFT BETWEEN CHARACTERS NOT 'THE DM GIVING US TOO MUCH'.#WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS 'YOU ARE CHANGING A KIND GESTURE FROM A GOODHEARTED MAN INTO A CRAVEN EXPLOITATION OF ELYSS FOR MONEY.'#WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS 'TAKING OVER A PLAYER CHARACTER IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT ELYSS TO HAVE A THING#'IS AN ABUSE OF DM POWER AND AN EGREGIOUS BREACH OF DM/ PLAYER TRUST.'#WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS 'WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE AGAINST ELYSS AND/OR ME PERSONALLY.'#and like. the actual consequences are so small. we were in a between-arcs timeskip we had BBEG Treasure Hoard money#Elyss loses 2000g and doesn't even miss it. Eldryn being a good friend IS canon and the DM can suck my dick about it#but on principle. on principle the fact that he did that. that is so incredibly shitty. you don't see that?#and for what? over an arbitrary price tag that I could afford without even missing it anyway?#over a magic item that's more psychological security blanket than anything particularly overpowered?#over powerplay dick waving over who REALLY gets to control Eldryn now that he's technically been retired as a PC?#what?? what is the reason??? ALL it accomplished was a fucking character assassination of a sweetheart character#which I think we've all privately decided didn't actually happen anyway because it's stupid and terrible and not fair of DM to Just Decide#and my already pretty flimsy trust in my friend as a DM sinking to unforeseen new lows#god. god.#about me#my OCs#elyss
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Look, I understand the desire for a revolution. I do. And it’s possible I might be convinced that we need one, at some point. I am open to the idea that I might be wrong!
But…literal Marxist theory posits that the way you get to a communist society is by working your way through a democracy. That’s the first STEP. Then you move to democratic socialism, then socialism, then communism. Anything that moves us away from a democracy (as I’m concerned another Trump presidency would, that man wants to be a dictator so bad) is a step AWAY from a leftist agenda. Because sure, maybe you get your ‘glorious revolution’ if Trump is president because he literally makes living conditions so unbearable that it triggers widespread revolt but from a critical Marxist standpoint you’d be revolting to get back to a democracy so you can start at that step all over again! This is a big reason theorists posit socialism/communism in the Soviet Union fell apart; too big a change too quickly and skipping steps in between.
We also have to consider that getting to the point of full blown revolution would mean catastrophic levels of suffering for people with lower socioeconomic power—POC, the queer community, folks in poverty, people with disabilities, etc.
AND any US dictatorship or similar government has an entire industrial military complex to back it up. A successful revolution would necessitate either getting that military complex on board, in which case you often end up with a military dictatorship (you can imagine how well THAT goes) or beating it which…I’m sorry, even the entire civilian population of the US cannot do. The military is light years more advanced than it was in Marx’s time, rebellion is so so so so much more complicated. It also sets a precedent for violent exchanges of power that tend to set countries up for a decades/centuries long tailspin of military coups in which the people with the most gun power (again…usually not vulnerable groups) win control.
I’m not trying to be a fatalist, here. I actually think fatalism is a tool of the oppressor and we have to fight against it tooth and nail. I’m just trying to logic out what will happen if Kamala/Walz lose and Trump/Vance win. What does that really look like? What is the next step, the next outcome that will lead us to a better place? And I just cannot, for those reasons above, see a Trump presidency leading us anywhere good. That IS what we will get if people hold out on voting for Harris as a form of protest. I’m all for protest!!!!! But it needs to be in a different avenue, because you have to consider the real life repercussions not voting will have.
I mean, what are the options? What happens if people protest by not voting? (...this assumes you don't start from the position that Harris and Trump will be literally NO different in office, which, well, that's another post)
1. Harris wins regardless, but a signal is sent that people to the left aren’t appeased and democrats need to do more. How effective this would be in moving actual policy is debateable, and it also puts the moral onus/responsibility conveniently on others just so you can feel like your hands are clean while simultaneously risking a worse outcome. Not cool.
2. Trump wins. Far more likely because, as we saw in 2020, the country was nearly evenly split on Trump vs. Biden. Current polling shows more or less the same with Trump vs. Harris. If the left stays home, the likelihood Trump wins skyrockets. So, what happens next?
2.A. Trump wins, but the world doesn’t end. He doesn’t do anything too terribly awful. The left has ideally signaled they will only vote for a Dem if they are liberal enough. I seriously doubt Trump won’t do anything too terribly awful though—look at what his first presidency did!!! Look at Project 2025!!!!! So. Other option.
2.B. Trump wins and the world is on fire. He strips away womens’ rights, queer rights, he tanks the working class and worker protections, starts a war, starts a dictatorship, whatever. He already started a lot of this during his first presidency. In this case, either…
2.B.1. This is still not enough to trigger a revolution. Vulnerable people are hurt and die at a far greater pace than under a Democratic presidency. We go on as before, fighting to regain key protections. Perhaps the Dems put forward a more liberal candidate to try and beat him next time, if democracy still exists, but likely? We end up with a conservative centrist anyway.
2.B.2. Trump does trigger a revolution. All I can see is how many vulnerable people would suffer and die. The military HAS to be involved and either takes control of government (terrible start to socialism!!!!!) or kills revolutionaries en masse and the rebellion fails. If civilians somehow defeated the US military, which is an astronomically low possibility, then we set up a more liberal democracy...how, exactly? With all the conservatives and moderates still in our country? Honestly, HOW. Kill them? Try and make them ‘see the light’? That happens via education, not a civil war. We could try and go straight to communism but theory and history show us that doesn’t work—you have to work your way towards it through democracy.
It is SO much more efficient and would put so many fewer vulnerable people in grave danger to start by keeping the democracy we already have by voting in Harris and THEN working on our protests to shift the needle towards democratic socialism. We’ve seen that these protests CAN WORK!!!!! They got us Biden dropping out!!!!! Harris picked a VP far more appealing to a liberal mindset than many of her other top options! WE ARE ALREADY SHIFTING THE NEEDLE. Keep it shifting, don’t give in to fatalism, and remember that you have to go through the steps to have an actual, stable, reliable socialist or communist republic. Vote.
#politics#us politics#be kind to each other when discussing this too#I want safety for all the vulnerable people of the world too#this is my honest best perspective on how we get that#and I totally understand that people not voting as a form of activism want those things too#we have to have conversations about where that will realistically land us though#if someone has an alternate path where not voting gives us the best chance at a more just political system I am all ears#I’ve even outlined a couple possible paths above I just think they have the most marginal possible chance of occurring#and that we have to exercise the precautionary principle—the risk of it all going sideways if people don’t vote is SO GREAT that we cannot#discount it#does it suck to have to vote when you hate the whole system? sure#but in this case it preserves democracy so we can actually create effective revolt or policy change or whatever#and don’t backslide into a dictatorship that vulnerable people die en masse to bring back to a democracy
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