#Chara morality

[dog-eater822]

“Chara is evil and I will fight you for it”

[person-who-likes-stuff]

Why does this fandom hate morally grey characters?

I think Chara is the best example of this, but it can be applied to Asgore or Alphys as well.

Everybody either portrays them as an uwu small bean, who did nothing wrong, and is the best person ever, or a bloody serial killer, when they are neither.

I admit that I wasn’t around in during in peak “evil demon Chara” theory. But I was around for the “beanification” of them, and it was certainly something.

Let’s get the elephant in the room out of the way first. They are not a good person. Asriel even says as much.

They assist in the genocide route. That is explicitly in the text, no ifs whats or buts about it.

But they are also not pure evil. They gave up their life for monsterkind. That is objectively a good thing. And they were seemingly a good child for the Dreemurs, based off of Toriel thinking fondly of them in the alarm clock dialogue.

And don’t give me the whole “they were just doing this to take control of Asriel and kill everybody” schtick. Not even the modern monsters in New Home know that the two souls share control of the body, Chara definitely wouldn’t.

My overall point with this is to demonstrate that they are neither a pure evil demon, nor the second coming of Christ.

They were just a scared child, who did a horrible, horrible thing, that isn’t entirely their fault.

They’re morally grey.

[yantao-enthusiast]

“‘we need more morally gray female characters’ y’all can’t even handle—“ these characters aren’t meant to be loved by the masses. they’re meant to be worshipped by a niche group of sapphics who defend her against the hate train like their lives depend on it. release the unhinged women. they will be loved

[fhtagn-and-tentacles]

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by John Patrick Gañas

[canyoureallycallthisablog]

The player opening undertale post no mercy route fr

[labmousegirl]

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[the-afterparty-au]

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[missholoska]

Your Adult Chara makes me think that they act like a sad dramatic wine aunt who has always the widest stories, the wisest advice and a drink in their hands (it's hot chocolate) in their mid 20s, is it accurate or am I being insane?

100% accurate, chocoholic auncle chara is the role model the children deserve 👍

(the ghost in question was frisk, they're just saving that detail for the end of the story)

[robosuta]

Everytime I draw them I get gender euphoria

[icharchivist]

all this talk I've read through of anon talking about how horrified Orologia would be of Danchou dating Siete has made me curious how horrified would they be about the idea of dating Lobelia.

Clearly Siete is terrifying because of the whole Boundary stuff and how much tinkering it took to make him a "decent to questionable guy" but Lobelia..... That's just. "He's a serial killer but he Promised Not To Anymore because i asked him very nicely after kicking his ass." I think they'd just faint on the spot.

And You not covering Evokers is really funny considering the preview had Threat Levels on a lot of characters but at Least Lobelia and Nier would be pretty high up there too out of the evokers!

HELPP

hi hey welcome to my humble house (and the anons', mostly the anons,)

We discuss Seofon a lot because some of the anons have big crushes on him so he becomes our topic of interest most of the time, thus why we mostly discussed the "dating them would be so painful for Orologia" angle with him.

but you're 100% correct. Orologia would totally have an attack if MC ended up dating Lobelia i mean. Their baby D:

It was mentioned Logia can't really influence things that are reliant on the Astrals and the Primal Beasts and it's why they had to let things play out in some way, and i would imagine the Evokers for instance fall in this category because of how linked to their summons they are -- especially Lobelia who often tortures people into the Tower after all. so it's likely why they weren't included with "And You" compared to others mortals who have direct impact on others mortals, and Seofon who keeps killing the others dragons.

So maybe Lobelia doesn't have the scope of nearly as bad in mind (or the fact Seofon was a threat on a world destroying basis is more important to him than people being menaces to specific groups) but, regardless to that Orologia would freak out learning that MC trusts him, somewhat, yknow.

At least i could imagine Logia meeting the Evokers and having this moment the gears start turning in their head going "i made a mistake i didn't consider them turn back i need some more simulations--" and the only way to stop them is to have one of the dragons forcefully having to carry them out of the ship

god poor Logia. we really make their lives even more difficult.

[tiredmimik]

!! UT/DR NEWSLETTER SPOILERS !!

(+ brain dump)

guys i cannot be the only one who can't get this out of my head

it wasn't explicitly stated but i'm pretty sure this is Asriel talking about Chara, and there's something so melancholy aboutwhat he's saying. you really get an insight into Chara's mentality about humanity and the world. "nothing can hurt you anymore, nothing can hurt anyone anymore"... it's further solidifies that Chara is a hurt kid that wants to fix things no matter the cost, even if the way they try and "fix" things is totally fucked up and wrong (referring to when they tried to get Asriel to kill the humans on the surface. like they fucked up big time and ended up killing their best friend but their heart was kinda in the right place)

also the last lines. "I just hope we'll be friends for 999 more years". is so messed up.

Asriel and Chara aren't going to see each other ever again, yet they're still going to stay "alive" for the next 999 years. Flowey (probably) can't die without a soul, and Chara is a ghost watching and narrating Frisk. they've both changed, they've both royally fucked up, and they're both going to live with that

for the next 999 years

[someweirdoreblogger]

in which, a mad beast, in the midst of his Hunt, wearing the immeasurable malice of his own wrath and bloodlust, meets the victim of a society crueler then even himself. and dare he do this, be it out of childish interest, curiosity, a playboy show of arrogance-

he-shockingly-doesn't turn his eye.

(WARNING HEAVY ART THEMES UNDERCUT; No gore, but Imprisonment, implied abuse and torture)

"...Oh?"

"What do we have here~?"

[misrepresentedmorallygrey]

PROPAGANDA

Rose Quartz

It’s all “more morally grey women in media!” but when the mom from the space rocks singing and crying show turns out to not be the saint she was made out to be in the early seasons, suddenly she’s The Real Villain Of the Show and a Bitch and all the good she did in liberating the gems and saving the earth is completely erased. Yes! She was a diamond! She did some evil shit without understanding the consequences! She was once entitled and bratty and unempathetic. She got a lot of people hurt! But she also gave all our gems their freedom! She gave up her status and family and slowly tried to fix all the damage the diamonds had caused. She didn’t have Steven as a means to escape her past, she had Steven because she saw in humans everything she always wanted to be- something free and forever changing. You are allowed to not forgive her but claiming her to be inherently evil even after all she went through is flat out wrong. Imo you all just cant handle a bbw.

So many people absolutely DESPISE Rose Quartz. The show showed her character arc in reverse order, and when the show started, she was seen as this perfect being who was wise and kind and a rebel hero and utterly flawless. But then we find out that she wasn't perfect, and she was one of the tyrannical Diamonds the show has as the main antagonists. She used to be a spoiled brat who threw tantrums, hurt one of her servants, and left her friend/plaything Spinel to stand in a garden for thousands of years. She discovered the beauty of earth and rebelled to save it from being destroyed, even faking the death of her Pink Diamond identity so the rebellion could win. She works her entire life to change and become a better person from who she was. Ultimately she gives up her gem and life so Steven could live before the show begins, and the show has Steven gradually learning about her. She is often hated and seen as a villain and worse than the other Diamonds, who are genocidal tyrants until the very end of the show.

Steven Universe shows Pink Diamond’s arc in reverse. At the beginning of the show, all the characters see Rose as this great hero, this perfect unimpeachable goddess, and over the course of the show we learn that this is a lie — Rose was just as flawed as anyone else, in many was immature, lied to all of her closest friends, was at times very cruel to her loved ones, and spent most of her life unlearning the privilege and entitlement and cruelty which her youth taught her. The last things we learn about Pink Diamond (her abandonment of spinel, her treatment of volleyball) are perhaps the worst things she ever does. But these are also some of the *earliest* things she ever does — this is where she STARTS, and we see in the show that Pink spends a lot of time trying not to be the person who did those things, even if she never undoes them, so that by the end of her life she’s far from perfect but is also in many many important ways not that person. Her decision to become Rose Quartz is in part an attempt to remake herself, to *not be* the childish, callously cruel pink diamond she is meant to be. And rose quartz *is* kind, and works to be good, but she cannot truly stop being that person. In the end, I think we are meant to understand that Rose Quartz decided to become Steven because she wanted to grow and improve in a way she felt that she couldn’t — she KNOWS that she isn’t a good person and can never truly be a good person, so she destroys herself so that Steven can be the good person she can’t be. And her decision to bring steven into the world caused a lot of pain, and maybe it was selfish, but it’s also a fascinating expression of Rose’s self-awareness about her own flaws!!!! I love Rose/Pink for how flawed she is and how much she tries not to be flawed. Anyway a large portion of the SU fandom thinks Pink Diamond is an irredeemable monster. So that’s cool.

Chara Dreemur

There's a lot of bias against Chara for appearing at the end of the Genocide Route, but there's so much more to them than "I want to murder everyone". They're a kid!! They made mistakes and they felt bad for them, and now they're stuck following the player and watching their every move... The fandom misrepresents them very badly imo

Somehow people forgive Asriel for everything he's done as a soulless being after his death, but when it comes to Chara, it's like they're the devil incarnate.

Chara is a character commonly seen as guilty for the genocide run or harmless disregarding them only appearing at the end and posioning Asgore

Poor kid called themselves a demon ONE TIME and then got misrepresented so badly as immoral killer with no sympathy

People constantly blame them for the worst ending of the game, even though the entire point of the game is that the player has a the opportunity to choose senseless violence and that it is the player's fault for killing the characters. They are a troubled child, and while they do some bad things, like taking the player's violent example at the end, most of what the fandom pins on them is in the hands of the player.

[fhtagn-and-tentacles]

CARNAGE #13 

Cover art by Kunkka

[andrewknightley]

Some people dont understand than just saying "yeah i like this evil chara im horny for them" is 10000 times more respetable than writing a long essay of why they are actually not evil

[floweypilled]

head in my hands. toriel and flowey being toeghthe r onthe surfafec. head in my han ds