#Because to me it can be either 1) They don't know what “proship” means

[kyouka-supremacy]

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[damnfandomproblems]

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But are people not allowed to have DNIs? Bc isn't that just another level of "block if you don't like it"? Which is what everyone is always saying to do, bc it's literally the alternative to censoring. Let people curate their own fandom experience, you don't have to read into their morals and "research skills" about it

DNIs are literally the person saying "don't interact with me if". If you're on your own blog and you don't want people interacting with you, YOU have to do the curation and block them. Not them block you. By pasting a DNI on your blog, you're not curating your own experience, you're telling others to do it for you. "I block if x" is a wildly different attitude than "don't interact with me if".

And usually DNIs are either: 1) full of common sense bullshit nobody should even have to list, 2) performative and half the time, the person doesn't even know what all the things on their own DNI list mean, 3) include things that the person won't even know about the individual or come up in conversation, making the vast majority of dnis, especially ones related to "if you ship x", pure performativism 4) pointless anyways, because most people aren't going to look for a list before they interact with your posts, with you in a comments section, etc. But they still embolden people into using them as an excuse to harass someone who did so much as reply to them in a post. It encourages this paranoid, safety-checking of blogs and even people with DNIs don't even do it. Half the people who interact with me in comments, who reblog my things, even who follow me, have "proshit dni" on their dni list.

Also, Fanlore (aka OTW, aka the ones behind AO3) has a definition of proship right there. This is a valid source to find definitions right away, without muddly drama and incorrect definitoons. Please add it to your favorites.

Other people can add their points to this, I'm sick having to point this stuff out so I'm tapping out here.

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

[poxivix]

RULES FOR THIS ACCOUNT!!

(IMPORTANT, Especially to those who are wondering what my account is about or what I do)

Just wanted to put up some rules for this account INCASE you are at the wrong page. Some rules may relate to content that I HAVENT posted YET, but even so I still will put them up.

1] - No ages under 13 or 15. Due to this, my content may be either slightly suggestive, venty (I may vent/rant sometimes in the future, but they're not full on), body horror possibly, gorey and violent. Or! I tend to cuss/swear a lot aswell. Ofc, those who still wanna see me post can stay, but PLEASE, if you're uncomfortable with any of those topics, I suggest you unfollow, or if it makes you comfortable, block me so that you won't come across my posts again.

2] - Do NOT repost my videos/art without crediting me, ESPECIALLY if your intentions are stealing my work that IVE created. AND DO NOT TRACE, STEAL, ANY TYPE OF SHIT LIKE THAT! I love you all that appreciate my art, tysm, just plz don't go around stealing my stuff. This includes my ocs, possibly designs?? (if u think they're good enough lol), art dumps, and animations.

3] - I'd appreciate it if this account was drama free; arguing, harassment, spamming, racism, threats and homophobic topics. I don't wanna see any sort of such on my posts, asking box, or so on. One thing I also wanna say is that opinions are OBVIOUSLY welcome here, and I respect everyone for even having one. But PLEASE!! If your opinions have intentions on hurting others and possibly me, then I'd rather drench myself in oil and light my body on fire rather than seeing it. Respectfully, just please avoid PURPOSELY annoying ANYONE on this account, take your dramas away from me I'm not your therapist. AND PEOPLE!! On a side not, respect others opinions please, not everyone has to agree with you :(

4] - Please just let me do what I wanna do. This rule is probably the only rule I ATLEAST want you to follow: leave me be. Do not ask me to change my art style, do not tell me what I should and should not post, do not hate me for drawing things you don't feel appealed to, I do what keeps me sane. Suggestions such as improvement? I might not be comfortable with it, but no hate at all to those who just wanna give constructive criticism in a good way. I appreciate it a lot, but maybe my sensitive lil ahh won't be able to take it since yeah, I love how I draw cuz it's my own artstyle (Inspired by others ofc)

Feedback on my art is okay, but please base it around my hyperfixations. What I mean by that is if I just so happen to mischaracterize a specific character or something like that, you can inform me otherwise. But please be respectful about it instead of going like " [INSERT CHARACTER] DOESNT DO THAT!" or "Girl have you not watched the series/show or smt 💀", I'm not aware of my own actions sometimes 😞

5] - Don't ask me to be your friend when you've just so happened to cross my account. I've been a bit too nice in the past and just accepted random strangers friend requests w/o even getting to know them. But even so, those people turned out to be amazing. Please just don't ask me to be your friend either because I'm your idol or you just assume/ think im a cool person. Getting to know each other is WAY better so please, I'd appreciate it a lot🙏

And even if I still dont wanna be your friend, dont take it the wrong way please. It's either because I still don't feel comfortable, I don't feel like it, or I just don't want to in general. Please be respectful, thank you.

6] - I'm talking too much but please bare with me. NO PROSHIPS/PEDOS/FETISHISM PLZ!!

I dont think I even need to explain this even further, apart from DO NOT get ANY of my oc's/characters, or even ME, involved with your proshipping shit. OR EVEN BETTER, DO NOT DO ANY OF THE ABOVE AT ALL WHEN YOURE AROUND ME!! It's concerning, I'm uncomfortable with it, and I do not wish to be a part of any shit like that.

7] - Requests? They are accepted here! But please base the requests around my hyperfixations, they're the only motivation I got. And on my ocs? Definitely will do cuz yeah.

I dont take requests that involve drawing your ocs on command, drawing fandoms I'm not even in, and fetish art cuz why tf...

Call me a pussy for this but breaking any of these rules on this blog will get you an instant block, or maybe just a warning BEFORE I block you.

THATS ALL FORNOW!!

I might add some more rules depending on my experience here on Tumblr. These rules go for the same on my tiktok: lx_v_, and youtube: EL_EX_VEE

Thanks for wasting a bit of your time just to read this important note. It means a lot to me, more than you think it does. I'm currently physically, and possibly mentally, drained and exhausted from life. I'm holding on still, and I know for a fact I'm trying. Your love and support is something, you probably don't know about, that effects my perspective on everything, and that I shouldn't just give up yet. I just wanted to add this because I feel as if I'm not showing my appreciation enough. So overall love yous all, hope for the best in all of us, and just thank you in general 💙

[microknifeyuri]

;; ( strawpage || check out my scenecore mic art! | check out my object hosts designs! / any pronouns, aroace bi-oriented cupioromantic, panadoxgender. ) ;; self ship blog: @echoiclove || mic "daily" blog: @microphone-ii (inactive as of now) || join my super awesome discord server boy || more info under "read more"

!!! ANY II CONTENT I MAKE IS CANON DIVERGENT (UNLESS STATED OTHERWISE) AND I WILL ONLY MAKE CONTENT OF IT UNDER THE BRAINWASH AU IDEA. S2C NEVER HAPPENED. !!!

I would prefer it if people who labelled themselves as proships or antis didn't interact with me. The definition of whatever shipping discourse is going on stopped making sense long enough. HOWEVER. I don't want people who do enjoy problematic content to interact with my stuff either. Nor are they allowed to make content of it. Much LESS to make messed up shit with it.

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byi:

- i dislike any taco ships (especially taco/mic) so don't expect to see any of that here

- i ship microknife, if you are uncomfortable by that, then i would advice for you to not follow me? but you can do whatever you want, just a heads-up because each month i go kind of rabid and drop 10 posts about them.

- i fw nickcase. idc what you have to say atp but i do like them. idgaf if you don't and want to interact but like. don't be mean or whatever

- I feel like I should say this but like. I don't like Shadowvanilla. I do however find the possessive themes on SMilk's behaviour regarding Pure Vanilla to be There and also people just make really good art about it. I hope Shadow Milk gets hit by a bus.

Masterpost list! (Designs/Gijinkas and such!)

Can I use these designs?

- You can! But if you do, please do not change the headcanons that are on them! And don't use them to draw T4c0mic, Kn1fan or you know, anything shitty.

Can I get inspired off your designs?

- YES YOU CAN!!!

Can I draw them?

- Yes!

Note: Some designs need a rework and others are outdated. I'll be adding the edits on the list as well. A new masterpost will be made once I am happy with the designs.

( Inanimate Insanity. )

1. Mephone4, Co-hosts, Support Characters + Meeple HQ (Inanimate Insanity) [OUTDATED]

2. MADE A SHOW AND IT'S NAME IS INANIMATE INSANITY... it's very catchy!!! (Gijinkas of the FULL II cast) [OUTDATED]

3. My objectsona's ref! <- (Heart Locket) || My objectsona's ref! <- (Roots) || My ponysona's ref! <- (Stellar Astromane) || My Micsona's ref! || (more will be added)

4. Bot, Lifering, Soap, Box & Dough gijinka edits!

5. Post S2 Microphone design! (Outdated! Check point 20!)

6. S2/ Post S2 Trophy redesign!

7. Lightbulb Gijinka Redesign!

8. OJ and Knife redesigns/updated ref.

9. The Floor (redesign) and Walkie Talkie Gijinka design!

10. Test Tube gijinka redesign!

11. Post II Knife gijinka design!

12. Clover gijinka redesign!

13. Silver Spoon gijinka redesign!

14. Fan gijinka redesign!

15. Bomb gijinka redesign!

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17. Mephone4 post ii gijinka design!

18. Baseball, Suitcase, Salt, Pepper, Balloon, Paintbrush and Pickle gijinka redesigns!

19. Yinyang gijinka redesign!

20. Microphone Gijinka Post S2 design!

21. Cabby, Candle, Goo and Toilet gijinka designs!

22. Soap gijinka redesign.

(Other Object Shows)

1. IPad Gijinka (Object Invasion)

2. Kit & Pilly & Limey (BURNER), Moonlight & Nori & Skull (TDOS), Bubble & Snowball (BFDI/BFB/TPOT) [yes. all in one.]

(Other stuff)

1. II GKGG AU swap list

- more will be added once posted.

[the-doodle-cave]

Introduction!

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Hello!

This is Bee speaking!

Creator of the Wanderer, HomeSick Dreamscape and Aurora AU!

[APPLE SLEEP EXPERIMENT! AU IN THE MAKING]

Welcome to my page!

Underneath you will find:

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☆°• * I go by he/they pronouns although I'd appreciate if you switched them out from time to time instead of using one or the other set of pronouns constantly for me, thank you!

☆°• * I don't mind being called nicknames like "hun" or "dear" it doesn't really matter to me in fact I find it pretty funny and endearing, but please don't give me weird arse ones, and if it makes me uncomfortable I'll tell you so uh- yeah 👍

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☆°• * if I don't answer your asks that means I'm busy, I'll answer it when I can, and I might not answer your question if it makes me uncomfortable.

☆°• Please do NOT repost my art without my permission, I do not want people to take my art, even with credit, I might let you, IF YOU ASK first.

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☆°• * about my AUs:

* I don't mind you drawing spicy stuff of it, but for NSFW stuff, don't send it to me in public, and warn me please, you can send it to me in dms and in private, BUT NOT PUBLICLY, you may draw my AUs under the NSFW tag Clown created but don't tag my main account (as in, to credit me online, when you post nsfw stuff of my AUs, put a bar in between my name and the @ like this -> @/thedoodlecave

otherwise minors may find your nsfw post by searching my account up)

Also, avoid using their actual names, minors could also search those names up and see what they shouldn't...you can use emogis like:

Aurora: 🌌🍎

Dreamscape: ☁️🍎

HomeSick: 🥩🖤🍎

Wanderer: 🌀🖤🍎

AppleSleep: 💊🍎

Thank you.

* you can ship yourself or your ocs with them, idm :>

* I do not condone acts/drawings/topics that are problematic/proshipping, such as:

r@p3 - 1nc3st - minorxadult - etc...

Do NOT. draw my AUs in such ways, I don't want ANY OF THAT associated with me or my work, thank you.

* do not make c.ai bots of any of them, on ANY bot platforms, this could be poe.ai, janitor, chai, etc...

It makes me really freaking uncomfortable.

I already made c.ai ones for HomeSick + Hunter, Dreamscape and Wanderer, to me that should be good enough.

* DO NOT. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. DRAW WALLYCEST/APPLECEST/WALLY X WALLY STUFF WITH THEM, THIS IS NOT NEGOTIABLE AND I WILL BLOCK YOU IF YOU DO. thank you.

Welcome Home related posts!

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• FANARTS:

Birthday special

Asking for kisses

-• Wally AUs Challenge saga

Timekeeper!Wally

Bracken-W!

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☆°*•. Daisy Doodlebug

Masterpost reblog

Fake Collab

i-ate-your-dog-sorry's fanart!

Whiteboard doodles

beetlebeeez's drawing request!

Artbloz's fanart!

☆°*•. Lucy Belle

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☆°*•. Wanderer!Wally ~ c.ai ~ his playlist

Old Askblog (no longer active/ended)

[You can find all the Wanderer related posts under the "#wanderer! wally" tag]

Emo

Valentines special

Creator's office break-in

I will protect you

You dumb bastard

Alter Ego meme

Into Gameshow's dimension

Cozy's brother

Who are these Wallys?

Magical girls

jealous?

Finstel's birthday gift! [2nd of june]

Visit the big brother

Halloween Special!

Doodles

☆°*•. Dreamscape!Wally - AU ~ c.ai ~ his music records

Valentine's day special 2025

Askblog

Flirting attempt

Valentines special

Hope-fire-Wally fanart

Pelted by a rock

Into the Gameshow dimension

Flowers for a Cozy friend variant

DANCE WALLY DANCE

Wishmaker!Sally - AU

Happy birthday! [14th of june]

Everyone adores you ♡

Apple Core's visit/Hope-Fire-Wally's fanart²

Wrong AU! Fanart

meet the og Fanart

Halloween Special!

Doodles

☆°*•. HomeSick!Wally - AU ~ c.ai [regular form] c.ai [hunting form] ~ his tunes

Valentine's day special 2025

Askblog

Valentines special

Shit-eating grin

Kaybl's fanart request

Drawing Dump

Into the Gameshow dimension

jealous?

Birthday! [30th of august]

Halloween Special!

☆°*•. Aurora!Wally - AU

Valentine's day special 2025

Valentines special

You found him!

Hold him

Kisses for a fox

More info for the askers...

Halloween Special!

☆°*•. AppleSleep!Wally - AU

Valentine's day special 2025

first concept

Silly sketches (tw: blood, staring)

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Halloween Special!

My Sona!

☆°*•.BEE.exe

BEE.exe V.1

BEE.exe V.2

Halloween Special!

Axe Wielder

Father-Son dynamic

High-Five!

BEE.exe V.3

My partner's fanart <3

Valentine's day special 2025

[sapphicsparkles]

r u a pro shipper

deep sigh I know this is bait, with all the effort of not even typing out full words. But hey, here's my chance to rant about how stupid anti/purity culture is. As far as I understand it "proship" has two major slang definitions: 1) supporting romantically/sexually shipping fictional characters together in general 2) supporting romantically/sexually shipping "problematic" fictional characters together I take it this ask is about the 2nd definition. There is ofc the wave of "PROSHIP DNI" on social profiles, especially young queer folks on social media, which I find highly disappointing because here is the thing: what do you consider "problematic?" In what context? And why the hell are we applying these broadly to the exploration and experimentation of fictional space as a qualifier for someone's moral standing? Why are you so adherent to what is considered institutionally approved as safe, good, and squeaky clean. Especially as a queer person who exist outside and in contradiction to cishet heteropatriarchal standards. Oh and now we've come to it: the fear of queerness being associated with things like incest and age gaps and what have you--things people generally deem problematic in shipping. The desire for queerness to be clean and wholesome and fucking acceptable. Model minority thinking if you will. Let queerness in fiction and media be soft and wholesome and healing, let it be deplorable and unforgivable, let it be wretched, let it be mean, let it struggle and grow and evolve. Let it have the breadth and humanity that cishet characters and stories are readily given. Please stop shooting yourself in the foot with this "good representation" thing. No level of internet drama and ship warring will make them want to kill any of us any less. The line for what institutionally acceptable queerness is will always move, it will always constrain and choke and kill and put us back into little boxes fit for consumption by the power structure. On the one hand, if you have things that ick you and you don't want to see, curating your online space is a good thing. That's what muting and blocking and tagging is for. But to me the "prosoship dni"/anti that I've witnessed for the most part is either model minority thinking, a false association with fictional enjoyment as irl condoning and morality, moral grandstanding, or some sort of wack performative tribalism. (Don't even get me started on the purity culture social panopticon we're living in.) Or some combination of the above. This rise of anti sentiment and the fall of media literacy is a correlation that I fear cannot be a coincidence. You can enjoy things in media that you wouldn't actually condone or even enjoy in reality, you can consume and enjoy media while also actively being aware and critiquing it for its flaws, issues, and the context it was created in. Build your critical thinking skills folks. Sometimes it's even good to encounter things you don't like to understand the world and yourself better--to understand why you don't like it and what it is connected to. Build your self awareness folks. In summary: please chill the fuck out y'all and hold grace for others.

[myfandomrealitea]

I think most people would, if they knew my stance on shipping, put me into the pro shipping category.

But I feel uncomfortable being labeled this way because I very much have limits.

I don't think people should write fanfiction or draw explicit fanart of characters being played (or voiced) by underage actors (and ofc the same applies to explicit rpf of said actors).

I just think the risk of these young, valuable people coming across these fanworks featuring either them or their likeness is too high (and one also has to remember the natural curiosity to check out stuff featuring them).

I don't think I'm being unreasonable here, but what do you think?

I think that that's a reasonable stance and perspective, to have.

The common assumption about proshipping is that you absolutely have to support and endorse absolutely everything and if you don't you're backsliding into being an anti, or you're not fully a proshipper.

But here's the thing; that's not actually the core meaning or value of proshipping. Proshipping does not inherently negate or demand that you have absolutely no limits or that you can't inherently disagree with or be uncomfortable with certain things.

Everyone has certain limits and certain things they simply cannot support or agree with. And that's perfectly fine. Where proshipping comes into it is recognising that everyone has that right, and also the right to still create and engage with things that you personally don't.

Its absolutely fine not to want to identify as a proshipper if you feel that your stance and your limits might be misperceived by using the label. Proshipping does have its inherent meaning and core values, but everyone also uses the label differently and assigns different, personal interpretations and values to it.

There's no obligation to use labels in fandom spaces at all, and there's also no obligation to have an 'all or nothing' stance. I know people who are, by definition, antis, but they're also heavily anti-harassment. They don't think that, morally, I should be writing incest porn, but they also recognise that even if I do, it doesn't necessarily mean I support it in real life either.

Being concerned about how fiction might impact real people is a very considerate, respectful concern to have. Its also why fandom spaces need to remain self-moderated in terms of properly using tags, filters, ect. Another common misconception people have about proshipping and anti-censorship is the assumption that we want to be able to just throw pornography and fiction around anywhere and everywhere, but actually, we still very much believe that everything has its place, and that there are proper, respectful ways and places to host content.

There's a lot of rambling I could do about the symbiosis of respect and moderation between a person/their guardians and fandom content creators, but that would be digressing slightly.

(And the point that a lot of fanfiction about teenagers and minors is written by teenagers and minors.)

The general gist is;

Your opinion is not unreasonable. Nor do I think any less of you for it. Nor would any proshipper, really. That's your concern, your limit, and that should be respected. In the same way that you would need to respect that that content does, and will always, exist, and the people who do write it with the proper measures taken are no less deserving of at the very minimum, your acceptance of the fact that they have a right to.

Proshipping is not:

Having no limits at all.

Thinking that you MUST create absolutely any and all content.

Thinking that you MUST support absolutely any and all content.

Thinking that nobody ever can be uncomfortable with or disinterested in what you create or what is being created.

Proshipping is:

Understanding fiction is not a 1:1 reflection of a person's real interests beliefs, values or their moral standings.

Understanding that fiction is not reality. It does not create victims.

That within the bounds of law, people have a right to create content, even if its content you personally do not support or agree with.

Understanding you do not have the right to dictate what someone can or cannot create, and that you do not have the right to be cruel or harmful to them because of what they create.

[autumn-foxfire]

Can you explain proship and antiship and why people are saying one or the other is problematic? I’m a little confused over this.

Sit down, nonnie, this is going to be a long one!

I need to start this by saying that I would be someone classed as a proshipper. I don't necessarily label myself as such though and when it comes to the drama around this, I think both sides can be terrible and toxic, but because of my views I would be labelled by an anti as a proshipper (or proshitter because yes, that is how childish they can be).

A proshipper believes that fiction does not affect reality on a 1:1 ratio which will often be shortened to be "fiction doesn't affect reality" which doesn't actually represent the views of many people who are given this label. However to place it simply, a proshipper would not care who you ship: age gaps, toxic relationships, incest of any kind etc. because they believe that what you enjoy in fiction doesn't not indicate the type of things you would enjoy in a real life relationship.

An antishipper, as you can guess, is the opposite, they believe that fiction does affect reality and that your taste in media can be an indication of what you enjoy in reality.

This has led to the words problematic, pedophile, abuser, groomer and the like to be thrown around in fandom like they're candy and not serious accusations to accuse someone of and has watered down the words to the point that when someone is claimed to be, say, a pedophile, it makes people think "are they really or did they just like a "bad" ship" which obviously is a very big problem.

Now, there is nothing wrong with being uncomfortable and even downright hating ships that have incest/pedophilia/abusive aspects and in fact many people who will say "ship and let ship" (a common phrase used by proshippers) will hate them too. I can't stand these types of ships personally and will block anyone who has them as they make me extremely uncomfortable, however I won't harass people who have them either which is a common tactic of the antishippers.

You don't know the people behind the ship, plain and simple. Many proshippers with these darker ships have even had to share how they were/are victims of what they're being accused of and how they use such ships to help them come to terms and take control of their own trauma.

Or they could be dangerous people (though I don't know what the percentage of people that would be) which is why I will never understood why antis will ask each other to put themselves in danger to harass these people.

My issue with antishipping is that any ship can come underfire and be labelled a proship by these people. I've seen things be called proships for people who have shared the same body in funky soul shenanigans, I've seen them been called that for people who look too much alike, I've even seen it for age gaps that are completely normal in real life.

There is no common consensus for what is a proship, it's become a word to mean "ship I don't like" for many and is used extremely often to shut down ships and people shipping it.

I'll use a proship of mine as an example and one that is often the target of antis on twitter. I've made it very much aware I love the relationship between Osamu Dazai and Sakunosuke Oda from Bungo Stray Dogs. Now Oda was 23 when he died, Dazai was 18 years old. For many, this 5 year gap was too inappropriate for them because Dazai was a "minor" at the time of their friendship. This got even worse when the author revealed that Dazai and Oda met when Dazai was 16.

It doesn't matter that to many antishippers that people who love the ship enjoy it with both characters of adult age (it's very rare you see anyone shipping them when Dazai was 16 and even at 18). Because he knew Dazai when he was a minor, their relationship cannot change at all, Dazai will always be viewed as a "kid" by Oda (despite that having never been their relationship) and if you ship them you are a pedophile.

Yes, that is the word that is often used. You get called a pedophile for shipping two characters who are legal age.

Now, can the age gap in the ship be uncomfortable to people? Sure! Can the potential power imbalance be uncomfortable too? Yes, it can and I have many ships where I find myself in the same boat. However instead of the antis of the BSD fandom blocking and avoiding this content, they will accuss creators for the ship of being horrible thing and will harass and insult them.

This is why I called it a cult. You saw in the post I just made how a person had to ask if something was okay? They didn't go "I think this is uncomfortable so I won't enjoy it and avoid it" they had to make sure that it was okay with the hivemind to like it another way. At this point antis aren't thinking for themselves, they're doing what they think others expect of them.

What's even worse is that some anti communities have been shown to have been run by actual predators who are preying on the minors that flock to them for "safety" from these "dangerous" ships.

There have been classic textbook abusive behaviour from these communites such as isolating minors from "dangerous" adults and making them feel like they're the only people they can trust. It's often believed that predatory adults will use "proship" content to make minors trust them but it's just no true, a predator will use anything that will endear them to their victim and that includes antishipping.

It's extremely dangerous and terrifying to see.

There also the fact that many antis care more about the lives of fiction people than real people. I will see them celebrate and laugh at "proshippers" who feel suicidal or have committed suicide, even going as far as to tell them to do it. It's horrifying.

I'm sorry I've gone more into the antishipping community than the proshipping community but that's because I'm genuinely terrified of the antishipping community. They make fandom a terrible and toxic place to be in.

For many years, proshipping was the standard to the point it hadn't even been called it. It's only recently the anti community started to rise, bringing with them both insane purity culture and abusive/bullying behavior to anyone who won't conform to their standards.

Please, everyone stay safe in fandom.

[goatlingsvent]

Yeah I don't care for the anti vs pro debate. All I know is it's nearly an exclusive online debate. Incest as a kink is .....very common in porn and I've actually heard debates about "daddy" and "baby" as pet names being potentially problematic.

I wouldn't say I'm a pro-incest, necrophilia, zoophilia, etc. so no I'm not a proshipper in that sense. Because yeah that stuff is kinda fucking gross and no thank you.

But like I'm also like I wouldn't call my self anti either? Mostly because I try to avoid sounding like I'm terminally online, and I'm also anti-censorship and pro-handling things in a way that's tasteful and respectful, though I also have read dead dove stuff. I do things that many consider anti, but also some that could be proship.

The biggest reason I avoid the terms altogether is because people have different meanings for the words, some even trying to reclaim the words and or change their definitions, hell both sides have different definitions for what the other's word means. So like it's confusing and best avoided.

It's kinda like how bibliophile has no sexual connotations, but necrophile does, so even though I have a HUGE interest in death, the dead, the morbid and macabre, funeral rites and holidays and practices meant to celebrate and remembering the deceased from different cultures, taxidermy, zombies, undead monsters, ghosts, etc. Etc. I'm never ever gonna call myself a necrophile. Because I'm dumb, not stupid.

And also because people cope in strange ways often seem as weird or taboo. They don't involve real children, corpse, animals, etc. Just adults and other adults. I see a lot of people who say all coping methods are valid only to turn around claim these guys aren't. As long people are staying safe and keeping it between consenting adults and not involving those who didn't or cannot consent, I don't see much issue with it, just so long as it's consensual and safe. But this apparently like a very pro-ship mindset or something.

And I also do believe in the nuances that reality can be separated from fiction, but it isn't always like that and fiction CAN affect reality. It's literally why representation for queer, disabled, racial and ethnic minorities in media matters, because it affects how people see minorities and even treat us.

And I know that the queer, kink and even furry communities have a LONG intertwined history that's not able to be separated from one another. Also the furry and anime communities too. Long story short: the first anime conventions were also furry conventions, and the earliest known furry convention was a queer NSFW met up.

However the anti-label person has a very conservative, purity, swerf, transphobic, homophobic, racist, etc. association for me, I personally associate it with people so up their ass that they can't stand to see people who are a negative or problematic stereotype existing, to the point while they often have good intentions do end up being like hateful to people who just exist and just so happen to be walking stereotypes.

I'm pro-sex work, and I acknowledge a lot of individuals from various minorities aren't perfect pure examples of their respective minority. Some are bad people, and some are REALLY bad people or EXTREMELY 1:1 of stereotypes many see to be distasteful and or even offensive.

I see some proshippers wanting to explore the dirty dark nuances of that, and are basically not actually pro-anything they make content of. But there are also a lot of proshippers who are gross and weird.

So like. Whatever. Idk. I don't like either label and idk what a comp-shipper is? Like I'm def the type to rise an eyebrow if you have an avatar of or say you like a certain character or "problematic" person. But like don't be weird. Don't be gross. And be respectful of boundaries? It's not that hard.

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[cottoncandyafterdark]

Hi! I'm Candy (it/its), welcome to my reader-insert and N-S-F-W blog! (Sorry for the dashes, I want to avoid the p0rnbots finding me 😔) Please only follow/interact if you're 18 or older! Not everything I post here will be N-S-F-W but a good chunk will. For a purely SFW and non-reader-insert experience, please check out @cottoncandythetrashpanda. Pretty much everything I post here can also be found on my ao3, AugustQ. This means I will most likely crosspost answered requests there too. I have a Ko-Fi as well- I'm not currently taking commissions, but y'know, if you like what I do and want to throw me a couple dollars, feel free.

My requests are currently CLOSED so I can catch up with my backlog!

DNI if you are any brand of LGBT-phobe or exclusionist or any other type of bigot. This is an inclusive blog. I don't support pro shippers and don't want them interacting either (while I agree fiction is a safer space to explore taboos, the way most proship communities romanticise abuse, often refusing to acknowledge or outright denying that what's depicted would be unhealthy or unsafe IRL, does far more harm than good, and isn't really "exploring" taboos as much as it is pretending taboos don't/shouldn't exist)

Request Rules (please read carefully as breaking these rules may result in you being ignored or blocked):

For Alphabet Requests:

For the sake of keeping what I do sustainable, I no longer write entire alphabets at once on request. Instead, requests for alphabets are limited to up to 4 letters per ask. You can send multiple asks for the same character, but please limit how many you send in - if I get too many (like more than 3) for the same character all at once I might ignore or delay some of them especially if I can tell they're from the same person. Please send in separate asks if you'd like to request for more than one character.

Please include in the ask: which character you're requesting for, which alphabet (SFW or NSFW) you're requesting, and the letters you'd like (up to 4). You can also say "dealer's choice" or "you pick" or something and I'll choose 4 letters myself instead.

Example:

"Could you do A, B, C, and D of the NSFW Alphabet for Senku?" ✅

"Could you do some of the SFW Alphabet for Takeo? You can choose which letters!" ✅

This method does mean that alphabets will be Tumblr exclusive until I've done the whole alphabet, at which point I'll post them to ao3. I apologize for any inconvenience this causes.

I WILL write:

1. NSFW, SFW, and platonic; one-shots, headcanons, alphabets and memes; most fic types basically!

2. The following fandoms: Dr. Stone, DC Comics, Hunter X Hunter (no Hisoka), JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Undertale, Spy X Family, TMNT, Noblesse, Yu-Gi-Oh (and feel free to ask about other fandoms as long as they aren't in my "won't write" list! No guarantees, but these listed are just my favorites, and I might be willing to write for others, so don't be shy!)

3. Otherwise, if it's not listed in the "won't write" section below, assume I will write it! Very few themes, AUs, kinks, etc. are off limits to me =).

I WON'T write:

1. Any NSFW or reader-insert shipping of characters who are minors. Characters must be canonically 18 or older for me to write NSFW or reader insert content of them. Characters who turn 18 over the course of the story are allowed if they spend the majority of the story as adults (so most Dr Stone characters are okay, but not, say, Suika because even though she's grown by the end, she's a child for most of the manga.) Just use your best judgement, really. I may also deny requests for characters who look very young, even if they're canonically adults, and/or have unclear ages (such as Chelsea from Dr Stone) for my own comfort. Platonic and familial requests for minor characters are okay.

2. NSFW or shipping involving real people or personas/role-play characters closely based thereupon. If you know me, you know I'm in some YouTuber fandoms (Hermitcraft mostly), but I don't write about them here. Even if the creator is comfortable with it, I'm not, sorry. I might consider platonic requests for them? But no promises, I'm not sure yet.

3. No incest or p-dophilia; watersports or scat; omegaverse (I don't understand a/b/o dynamics and I don't want to learn)

4. The following fandoms: Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia, Danganronpa, SCP (these fandoms either make me uncomfortable or I just plain don't like them. No hate to fans, I promise, but I don't want to write about them lol.)

Other Stuff:

Reader will usually be gender neutral unless otherwise specified

2. Requests might take a while (i'm kinda slow sometimes)

3. Finished requests may also be posted on ao3

4. Don't spam! If you send in the same request multiple times I'll ignore it and might block you. If you're worried an ask might have gotten eaten by Tumblr, send a DM or follow up ask to check and I'll let you know.

5. I assume any completely blank & empty accounts are bots and block them. I highly recommend at least changing your icon and adding a title and short bio if you're new to tumblr.

6. I reserve the right to refuse requests for any reason. If they follow all the rules and I just don't want to do it I'll respond letting you know, though.

[kharmii]

Wow Someone asks nicely for you to remove *their* posts and you throw a callout post at it complaining? FYI, theyre not scared, theyr uncomfortable. A feeling someone is allowed to have when it's their stuff you're associating to incest. Yes it's fictional but some people can still find it disgusting. Its one thing to post in your own little corner but as a reposter, just nut up about artist's wishes about their art LOLHow a proshipper can be an anti at the same time I have no idea. You try so much to act like the rest of the shippers are degenerates for liking what they like that you're projecting at someones polite dm :)

I'm not associating an artist who does ralts line art with incest. This came out of nowhere, btw, as the artist has this for their Twitter profile:

This is an example of the sort of work they do:

Ya know, edgy teenager art from someone who is barely an adult. There's nothing about blankshipping making them uncomfortable because they probably don't give an a/b/o micro-dick of damn about the train twins. They're obviously playing stupid shipping politics, otherwise they could have just had their friend tell me to take the post down without a long, drawn-out explanation. Other people have done that, and I've shrugged it off and did what they asked. I just get tired of accusations of being along the lines of a pedo groomer, just because I have this one obscure fetish about cartoon identical twins who dress the same way and have a psychic bond (that's it. That's the specific criteria). It's not like I'm going to fuck my bro irl or groom irl twins to fuck each other. I made the point of writing in the cockroach wife post.....either admit it's all dreck and everybody is retarded or erase your delicate flower ass off the internet for being overly sensitive.

Another hot take on this issue comes from the 'proship was the fandom norm' post where I wrote that I don't have to play politics because both sides have aspects that are retarded af, and I don't have to, say, support pedophilia and gross-ass werewolf dick smut, just because I think psychic identical twins are hot. It gets to the point with proshipping that only the people into the most extreme fetishes are comfortable posting, so a lot of times, one has to sift through a mountain of gross, negative garbage just to see their otp being cute once in a while. That's why I aim to make a mostly cute blankshipping blog with only a pinch of edge.

On that note, it's bold of everybody in the Submas fandom to assume blankshipping isn't the default. When I got into this, I was like, "Wait a minute.....are antis trying to say that these middle-aged autistic train clowns in adorable matching train conductor traffic cone costumes aren't fucking?! WEEEIIRRDDD........" I mean, come on..seriously. It's not like people have to be crass about it. Blankshippers can play the brother fucking smooth, like where they sneak a kiss here and there when nobody is looking and do their dirty deeds behind closed doors. It's not like I'm going to write a fanfic where Emmet be all like, *does endzone dance in the battle car* "I have won against you. -So now I'm going to celebrate by packing my own brother's ass like I'm going on a month-long vacation. -Because I am a Subway Boss. I am Emmet!" *does toy soldier march to Ingo's battle car*

Actually, that might work if someone is into non-con, like a few seconds later, one might hear a tussle with Ingo yelling, "SWEET MOTHER OF GIRATINA! NOT AGAIN!!1!!1!" *extra big frowny face*

LOL, How a proshipper can be an anti at the same time I have no idea. You try so much to act like the rest of the shippers are degenerates for liking what they like that you're projecting at someones polite dm :)

Again, there's a lot of negativity and gross crap in the proshipping community, and yet, certain things are deemed more acceptable than others (see my two links about cockroach wife and such). Again, it's all garbage and everybody is retarded. I'm allowed to not like certain things and complain (this or that) trope gets used too much. I think some content creators are more into the trope than they are the fandom.

There's also a lot of negativity and gross crap in the antishipping community as well. Why is it that cartoon fictional character twincest is taboo, but again, someone can take a human character ship and turn it into two-dick werewolf knotting cumflation morbidly obese furry bullshit? I'd rather have a fetish that's immoral in the context of irl than one that's stupid and disgusting. Do that many people want to see furry fetish plastered everywhere? -Or is it a case where the vocal minority shouts the loudest? Someone on a gardevoir discord once told me one individual single-handedly ruined a ralts line 4chan channel by posting huge-booty inflation smut that nobody wanted to see but the one person.

[nettlebrand]

1) You do understand someone can have multiple degrees, right? That's like... basic life skills. Common sense even. I can have degrees in multiple things that's doesn't change anything. Also most law majors have a psychology degree whether major or minor of some kind. And again, you are not reading what I'm saying. I stated MULTIPLE TIMES that it's obviously unrealistic for every proshipper to go out there and start touching kids because 1. Not every proshipper supports the loli aspect and 2. That just doesn't happen. It's not about the fandom stance it's about the fact proshippers are writing/doing/enjoying romantized abuse. I don't care WHAT label you put on it, some don't even know that label exist, it's still bad. It harms your mindset.

2) No person in modern days uses proship as an anti harassment term for normal ships anymore. Many people who go by the old meaning of proshipping actively are against proshipping. The only places on planet earth I can somewhat still see people using the old modern version is Reddit and that's Reddit. Terms and meanings can change that's languages for you. Every single proshipper I see supports the portrayal of abuse romantically. Heck you can search it up right here on tumblr and there's people defending loli. Your own community fights against what you are saying.

3) Art can be incredibly harmful. I'm using the term art as any form of media, shows, movies, writing, photos, any and all artwork can be harmful. You yourself said you know fiction affects reality that includes artwork. That can affect reality that's includes positive and harmful ways. Again I brought up cults as an example. Cults use media as a form to hurt harm and indoctrate people into bad activities (again going to state I don't think proshipping is a cult this is just an example) a firm example of this is the show "Life With Grandpa." A show produced and created by a man with a cult that would push pedophilic and sex trafficking ideas onto the adults and kids watching.

4) Never once did I state anyone who proships or writes about abuse romantically as irredeemable. I'm stating that if that is an interaction you actively seek out you are further harming your mindset and pushing yourself down a rabbit hole of addiction that will just isolate you further.

5) Never got into game of thrones and don't know anything about it but I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be case studies on "did game of thrones cause incest." Because that's just not a viable thing to study.

Here's a quote from Melissa Doman a Orginatational and Mental Healthy Psychologist and Work specialist

"Consuming media heavily can significantly influence you negatively, potentially leading to issues like anxiety, depression, distorted self-perception, and unhealthy behaviors, particularly when exposed to excessive negative content."

Here are some articles (on mobile right now so please excuse how links work with me.)

https://gap.hks.harvard.edu/how-does-media-influence-social-norms-field-experiment-role-common-knownledge

A lot are about social media but they have cited psychology that states consuming many of one media especially if its negative can lead to influencing your mind.

It's no one job to tell these people "this is bad." Most of them KNOW it's bad that's why they do it. They don't write or portray it bad either they portray it romanticly. This isn't some conservative idea that's "banning fiction!" My literal orginal point was if ots in private do want you want but openly sharing it especially in a place easily accessible to minors or victims with no warnings is wrong and disgusting.

Proshippers are so weird because every argument they make is so easily debunked it's actually funny

First of all let's define a proshipper since everyone loves to argue over that. I will also acknowledge the history of the word

Proship in it's early years was defined as proship/anti harassment. It was a term used by people who believed people should not be harassed over what they ship.

But that's its term years ago, and the meaning of words change. Let's not be stupid when it comes to this argument. Proshipper is a term now often used by people who ship problematic things like incest, minor x adult, and abuser x victim.

THIS IS NOT A TERM USED BY PEOPLE WHO WRITE ABOUT THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND PROTRAY THEM AS UNHEALTHY.

It's a term NOW USED by people who ENJOY and actively ship and romantize those relationships. You can write about a victim x abuser without romantizing it. Proshippers romantize it.

Now that we have defined it, we can tear apart every argument they try to use to justify doing it.

"It's my coping mechanism! My therapist said so!"

I'm going to state my credentials right off the bat. I have a degree in psychology and am currently getting my doctorate degree in it. While yes, many therapists say it can be used as a coping mechanism, it is a TEMPORARY coping mechanism. It is not a long-term mechanism that we recommend at all. On top of that, we certainly do not tell you to post it online for the public to see. No therapist would tell you to do that, and any therapist that says it's okay to do that does have you not have your best interest. We KNOW you will harassed and attacked on the internet if you post stuff like that online. It's why we specifically tell you that if you HAVE to use this TEMPORARY coping mechanism, to not do it publicly.

"Fiction doesn't effect reality! Grow up!"

I'm not defending the people doing the attacking either. IF YOU SEND DEATH THREATS OR HARASS PROSHIPPERS, YOU ARE BAD TOO! No one deserves death threats or to be doxxed because of fictional media even if it is not everyones taste. But therapist can not control what goes down on the internet, and neither can anyone else.

"Well it's fictional! It does effect reality but it's fiction that makes it okay!"

Fiction DOES effect reality it is why we enjoy fictional things so much in the first place. Saying fiction doesn't affect reality, which ignores so much human history and the basics of WHY people create fiction in the first place. Fiction DEFINITELY affects reality, and it affects the human mind greatly. It's why people can laugh cry and get angry at media in the first place. That argument makes no sense because if it didn't affect reality, it wouldn't be a coming mechanism, which is what a lot of proshippers say why they proship.

Romantizing a relationship other people have been through and trying to portray it as a good and well thing is frankly gross and disgusting. It hurts victims a lot and can make them question their own abuse they went through. It's not a good thing at all. If you honestly think on any speck of this planet that romantizing an abusive relationship, whether incest pedophilic or rape in any way is okay because it's fiction, you are honestly not much better than actual pedophiles and abusers. They get off to hurting people, and you also get off to the hurting aspect. Yes, even if you yourself are a victim. Being a victim doesn't mean you get a pass to do whatever you want, and I think a lot of people need to remember that. You do not get a pass to romantize abuse no matter what. It's not a good thing at all to romantize and it can make you worse and question your own abuse.

"Calling us just as bad as real abusers boo!"

I will. I will stand by that, too. Because that's how it starts. My abuser also started with "just writings" and "just drawings." Because that's how it always begins. In psychology, we can tell how far someone will go based on the things they consume and how they consume it. It gets to a point where the person consuming it will be a victim or be an abuser. It's why so many pedophiles when they are caught, have CP on their computers because "it was just images." I'm not saying all proshippers are going to turn out to be pedophiles or abusers because thats obviously not true. But the route you are going down is an addiction, and you eventually won't be able to stop even if you just stop at drawn images. It's why you crave to do it so much and can not stop. It's the rush you get of posting it online to the thrill of being caught. You enjoy every aspect of it. It's an addiction.

"You are dismissing/disrespecting real victims by comparing CP to drawn/written CP!"

I myself am a victim. A very severe one. There are pictures of me out on the deep web somewhere when I wasn't even in double digits. I am not disrespecting what happened to me or other kids. While I do agree with the argument that drawing a fictional child is not as bad as real pictures of children, it is still disgusting to be making at all. It's also disrespectful to victims to be romantizing stuff like that publicly, so you aren't allowed to use that argument as if you cared for every victim, you wouldn't be posting it publicly.

"You are limiting artistic creativity! This is conservative ideologies that wants to censor work!"

If censoring the romantization of abuse being portrayed as good is wrong, then I want to be wrong. Yes, everyone should have artistic freedom, but why in any way would you WANT to be known as the author or person who portrays pedophiles in a good way. Who portrays abuse as okay and romantic. Why is that something you want in your life. No one should want that, and if you do, I encourage you to seek a strong amount of help. Censoring the portrayal of abuse as good shouldn't be a controversial statement at all, but it somehow it. If you are writing pedophiles incest and abuse as a BAD THING and you MAKE SURE, it's portrayed as a bad thing that isn't proshipping. It's when you romantize it and try to treat it as a "cute fun silly >w<." Thing that I see MANY proshippers do that's bad. Yes, I want that censored. Especially when it's easily accessible to minors. Proshippers do not care if minors can access their work, and it's very obvious seeing it. Even if it isn't inherently, nsfw minors shouldn't be seeing and interacting with ANY FORM OF MEDIA that portrays abuse as good.

"What about NSFW artist!?? You don't want them censored!?"

I don't see this argument made as often, but it's still one I want to talk about. Most nsfw artists I see make... normal art that doesn't revolve around romantizing abuse in some way. While obviously there are exceptions, nsfw art is aimed towards adults, which makes censoring a lot easier, and theres an understanding between sex vs relationship. There's a difference between porn with bdsm aspects in it vs. a fanfic writing on two characters, and the abuse is romantical. Sex is different than a romantic relationship.

"Well my artwork is aimed towards adults! Adults can understand it better!"

Adults can still have an awful time with abusive and struggling relationships. Adults can also be uncomfortable and not want to see their abuse portrayed in a good light. While I agree that many adults can understand and differ fiction from reality, that doesn't change the fact that romantizing abuse in any way isn't okay. What a lot of proshippers tend to not understand is how its portrayed that's the problem.

I am a HUGE FAN of enemies to lovers. If they didn't try to kill each other once is it really love/j. But the major thing is it's the build-up and actual relationship that's different. If two characters are in love and one is on a lower power level, then another and just keep getting abused and beaten and mistreated even when they aren't enemies anymore. There's the romantizing abuse. A majority of the time, most don't even add warnings to this kind of content, which can heavily hurt past victims as well. Adults are allowed to not be okay! Adults are allowed to not be okay with seeing literal abuse be romantized! And that shouldn't be an excuse to do it just because your content is aimed for a more mature audience. Horror movies are aimed at adults and can portray murder as awful, proshippers shouldn't be an exception. Proshippers forget that antis tend to also get on people who use excessive gore without portraying it correctly as well. Urbanspook is a recent example who was HEAVILY flamed for his excessive gore without any real meaning or care behind the topic.

"Why do I have to demonize this! That doesn't mean I'm endorsing it!"

That's... what it means. If you do not portray a topic as serious as any form of abuse as bad then... why are you writing about it. I'm not saying it should be the main story because you can write about abuse and have it be a secondary plot point. Many stories do this, and it's don't correctly. But just writing about something just for the sake of having it in there without showing it as a bad awful thing, which is in the definition of abuse, is wrong and bad.

I'm not making this post to "change proshippers." Or "harass and bully them." I'm making this post because every argument they use is wrong and incorrect and hurts other victims, me included. I frankly don't care what proshippers do, but don't make mundane arguments about it. Just admit you want to do it just because you want to not for some anti conservative idea or because you believe it helps. There are better coping mechanisms, and posting yours online doesn't help your mindset. I hope all victims get the help and strength they need to heal from whatever they have been through, but posting romantic abuse online isn't going to help your mind or help anyone else. It's not some splatterpunk idea that slaps conservatives in the face and in fact pushes the idea to censor things more when kids come across it.

And honestly if any proshipper wants to have a debate about this I'm open to it as long as its cival. But frankly I don't see any reason to publicly be posting romantic abuse online.

[claggorstuff]

I feel like maybe taking requests for fics, gotta be arcane related because I'm not too good at anything else, I'm also not too creative with my stuff anymore (ignore the last post that was a whole spur of the moment claggor rant.) So I need some new ideas

I won't do any smutt with any of the minors like Deckard (I think he's a minor), Mylo, vi (act 1), claggor, powder, Caitlyn (act 1), ect. I won't do any non-con, incest (this means NO claggor and Mylo, NO Mylo and vi, NO powder and vi, NO claggor and vi, NO powder and claggor, NO Mylo and powder, NO Vander x any of the kids, and NO Mel x ambressa.), I'll be a bit limited on my angst like, I won't go into detail about any mentions of sh or suicide, sure it can be brought up like the reader has past trauma involving it but id rather not, I do suggest the requests be act 1 but if u want past the time skip I'm fine with it, doesn't have to be claggor related at all, if ur wondering about my whole claggor themed acc and if that's connected to this, I do any kind of x reader, gender neutral male or female, any type of relationship gay straight or just queer in general, and as long as the character y/n is with is an adult I might do smutt.. I don't quite know though. Maybe not, I can try but honestly I don't wanna be one of those goofy ahh writers who call "it" a member. M E M B E R.... Anyways I just don't do proshipping and stuff, love y'all and I guess requests are open! (No Marcus. I hate Marcus. And NO silco either, sorry) xoxo Milk out

Also you guys can just call me Milk, that's what most ppl call me online

[accessibleaesthetics]

were you ever a proshipper or am i misrembering? /genq. i really do enjoy your blog so i just wanted to double check before i unblock yk,, i just want to make sure i don't reblog from someone that disagrees with me fundamentally, yaknow? ty, have a nice day :)

I was debating on whether to respond to this for a while, but I really can’t shake the feeling this was asked in good faith, so just in case, I’m going to answer you honestly. It’s not a “yes or no” question though, so details under the read more. My hope is that I can provide you with enough information to make an informed decision about where or not you want to follow/unblock/reblog from my blog, because I really do value your safety and comfort.

The thing about “proshipper” is that what it actually means is different than what a lot of people think it means. Because really, at the end of the day, it’s just someone who believes that fiction does not have a 1:1 effect on reality (emphasis on the 1:1 part — pretty much every proshipper still knows fiction affects reality) and that what you enjoy in fiction does not necessarily reflect your values or desires in real life.

With that in mind:

I believe that fiction does not have a 1:1 effect on reality, and that what someone enjoys in fiction does not necessarily reflect their actual values or desires in real life

I believe that harassing real living people over fictional content is cruel and uncalled for

I put great importance in empowering people to avoid content they do not want to see by tagging things appropriately

I prefer education and self-curation to blanket censorship

I believe that fiction does not exist in a vacuum and that it's pretty much impossible for fanfiction to "normalize" anything that society does not already normalize, because fanfiction does not affect society the same way mainstream media does

I know that problematic fiction has started conversations about otherwise taboo topics that have helped people realize their own real life situations were not normal or OK

I know that censorship historically tends to hurt minority groups most, regardless of the intentions behind a given ban

I believe there is value in having a safe space to engage with darker topics in fiction regardless of your own personal trauma

Because of this, I tend to avoid interacting with people who have “proship” or “proshipper” on their DNI lists (and by extension, "anti-anti" since that's used to mean pretty much the same thing). If you ever see me reblog from someone with that on their DNI list, I either didn’t notice (in which case feel free to point it out so I can delete the post) or it’s one one the two blogs I’ve spoken with personally and found out that they are alright with me interacting despite having that on their DNI.

Anyway, if any of the items in my bulleted list are things you fundamentally disagree with, please feel free to keep me blocked.

If you’re more worried about content than my personal belief system, I can tell you that’s it’s unlikely you will find adult content in general on this blog, let alone the problematic stuff that usually comes up in these discussions.

Finally, as a reminder, you always have my full permission to “steal” any description I write and just stick it on a different reblog if you do not want to reblog from me directly. No credit needed.

[doesyourshipmakeyouabadperson]

hay, this is more me looking for advice, but how do i stop lying to my followers about being proship? there was one point where i drew fontcest (undretale), and i got an anti who harassed me in ask, and sent me a graphic description of their brother killing their hamster. ever since i've been very weary of saying anything, or confirming i ship something cuz i don't want to read something like that again. that, and in general, i don't ship things too hard/go all in with it, at least 1/?

2/? i don't think i do. granted, i draw a bunch of art and post it, but for me that's just general hyperfixation. i'm also ace, and while yes, most ships are romantic or sexual, mine tend to be platonic, or suggestive. and are not as clear cut as to if i ship the characters or not, because even for me, it's up in the air, and i don't know, i'm not good with knowing how i feel about things, i just express myself through art and hope it says all it needs to. i've come up with a sorta tagging

3/4 tagging system, with tags for platonic ships, joke ships, etc, but even then sometimes how i view the relationship changes. like right now, i'm drawing a child and adult character together, most of the time the dynamic i portray is paternal, but other times i want to make it romantic, either as a cope for my own truama, or just because it's been my brain rot for weeks and i want it out of my head to get back to the "clean stuff" and just not post for a while. idk, maybe this is

4/? is all overly complicated, and i've made a mess for myself, but i feel like at this point i've tricked ppl into following or liking my work. because ppl do like my work, and then they send ask like "your art's now tainted for me", but i've been this way since 2016, i've just been scared of getting disturbing irl hamster gore stories again. or i've been told "fuck you for normalizing this", "don't hc this character as a murder pedo", "this feels like grooming", "you know your audience"

5/5 like i don't, idk how old anyone is who follows me, idk if there's children looking at my content. and i can't just make a poll, or check the thousands of followers i have to see if they have their age in their bio, i can't fucking ask for an id before following, i just. idk, this was very long and ranty, i'm sorry, i just don't want to remake my blog again, maybe i'm just dumb and anxious, i don't know. srry this was long, hope you're doin ok (^.^)v

Hello, I delayed answering this for a while since, well, i'm definitely not usually the person people go to for advice so im not used to it lol ❤ /nm

Buuut i mean... I can see why youre upset. I dont think you should have to come out and say you're proship. Being an anti shouldn't be seen as the default. You should also be able to make whatever kind of content you want as long as you tag it properly. If your fanbase is making you feel like you can't, then that fanbase isn't your demographic.

There are actually a lot of decent people out here who are pro ship, and if you choose to be openly pro ship, yes you will get some hate mail, death threats, suibait etc and lose followers, but you will also gain a lot of fans who want to see your interesting takes on different interpersonal dynamics. (Also, the former group weren't really your fans in the first place if they'll be so godawful to you over some pixels on a screen)

And yes it is impossible to police thousands of followers and that quite literally is not supposed to be up to you. Minors on the internet are supposed to be monitored by their guardians. If you put a disclaimer/tag for your content and some dumbass clicks it anyway and doesn't like what they see, that's their fault not yours.

I've also noticed that the majority of people who are pro ship are prone to actually filtering content they don't like, while antis seem entitled and want the creator to do it for them. Its just a better fanbase experience all around in my experience.

As someone who helps run multiple pro ship accs, i understand the visibility can be scary. But I promise at the end of the day you'll feel a lot better for it. Hope this is at least semi-helpful/reassuring idk ❤

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sorry, this response is a week late, if you don't want to continue this conversation i apologize, feel free to ignore me !! im just very passionate about selfcest (and sanscest specifically) and would like to give the prospective of myself and other folks i either know or have seen.

sorry for the rambley disclaimers incoming, im paranoid and reading comprehension has gone to shit on tumblr. i'd rather try to make my intentions as clear as possible so no bystanders can try and start shit.

mentioning this because i think it's important context, not because i intend to spark discourse: i dont like to label myself as "antiship" due to how broad of an umbrella term of beliefs that covers, and also certain associations with the term, but my views in the whole anti/proship thing lean antiship.

also important context: ive also been a sanscest shipper since 2016-2017 (cant remember specifically when, sorry !!) and have been fairly active as a lurker in the community for a long time.

im putting this under a read-more due to the fact this response is

1. long and rambley (again, sorry !! really into this topic.)

2. gets more into aspects of the whole proship vs antiship debate, specifically discussing antishipper's prospective on selfcest and why some may not label it as incest & proship, and also the reasonings of why they are uncomfortable with incest (and when selfcest doesn't have specific qualities, they dont label it as incest or proship.)

again, this response & any explanations is not meant to cause arguments surrounding shipping discourse, i will simply be explaining an antiship perspective because it's relevant to the topic. this is not meant to be any sort of attack on anybody. i intend to keep the conversation as mature as possible :] im sooo passionate about selfcest as a topic because i find it really interesting, so lets keep it nice in here ^_^ i dont like to argue shipping discourse. peace & love on the planet earth

i do think the vibe you're getting is generally correct, that is the case for alot of people and why they're comfortable with sanscest despite being antiship and being uncomfortable with other selfcest ships.

but i also would like to bring up that alot of people who are antiship or uncomfortable with proship content, both within the utmv community and outside it, dont actually view selfcest itself as inherently proship depending on how you treat it.

i've been seeing this conversation/reasoning alot in the past 2 years.

yes it does have the -cest suffix, it means self incest, but many have said they either don't inherently consider it incest and consider it poorly named OR just don't inherently care about selfcest specifically because 1. selfcest isn't something that can happen in real life the same way sibling incest can and does, and 2. selfcest doesn't inherently have all the qualities that make alot of people uncomfortable with sibling incest (which also ends up tying into number 1.)

what makes alot of people (or atleast myself and some folks i personally know) uncomfortable with incest is a mix of how related they are genetically and also the dynamic that folks who are related are expected to have in society, and how that will impact your view of someone related to you. <- if that makes sense. i mightve explained that poorly OOPS !

if you were to suddenly see a clone or alternate version of yourself, one may not have the same reaction as if you suddenly found out someone standing next to was your sibling or cousin. society tells you how you should act and react to familial relationships like siblings or cousins, but there's not expectation for how to reaction to yourself, even if you are "related."

that removes the whole "dynamic you're expected to have" section, and when it comes to selfcest specifically, i don't like have a good explanation for it but the genetic relatedness just doesn't really inherently bother alot of people when it comes to specifically selfcest? i guess it's more of an exception. like, an attitude of "it's so unrealistic, who cares at this point?" even with ship kids.

anyways, the reason i say "inherently" a lot is because theres still cases where selfcest is considered incest and is considered proship by antishippers, which is why i said earlier "depending on how you treat it."

if one treats selfcest the same way they treat twincest when they ship it, then people will be uncomfortable with that content and consider it proship.

or, if the characters being shipped selfcestuously both happen to be within a canon and in that canon they choose to treat eachother like siblings or similar, then people may consider the shipping of that to be incest, and therefore proship.

i'd also like to bring up another important factor specific to the utmv fandom, and this one is more personal: utmv fandom has normalized selfcest in a way you don't see with many other fandoms that have been around longer. onceler is the only fandom i can think of thats similiar. for me personally, utmv was one of my first ever fandoms, i joined it at a young age and have shipped sanscest since pretty early on.

due to how normalized sanscest is within the fandom, even when i used to be uncomfortable with other selfcest ships (like papcest, for an easy example) ive always been alright with sans x sans content due to how it's always been something normal (to me) in the undertale fandom. i ended up shaping my views about selfcest around the fact that i liked sanscest and was fine with it. i think this is not something im alone with in the utmv fandom; i do think that the explanation of "well sans are kinda like a species" for some people came After people started to shipped them, and then needed some sort of explanation for why they're fine with it. (which, honestly folks do not need an explanation for every little thing but thats an entirely different ramble.)

theres a dozen more explanations i could give you too, such as for some folks selfcest is Just An Exception and/or simply Do Not Care, if you'd be interested, but i think this is getting rather long. SO!

TLDR: Many folks do not inherently consider Selfcest to be inherently proship or incestuous due to how Selfcest isn't something that can happen in real life the same way sibling incest can and does, and due to the lack of expectations about how one is to treat a clone or alternate self. Sanscest is also quite normalized in the UTMV fandom, and many fans who are antiship have shaped their opinions Around shipping it and became okay with it after UTMV fandom, especially folks who joined the fandom younger.

again, i apologize for how messy this is. i'm not very good at organizing my thoughts, but this is a topic im VERY passionate about (i became a huge fan of selfcest Due to UTMV) and i was really excited to respond to this! if you're interested in anything more, i'd love to talk about it more :]

I thought all Sanscest shippers were just. Proship by proxy. But I saw an antishipping account on Discord today that ships AfterDeath and asked people who hate the ship to DNI. So now I'm just confused. Are these just proshippers who don't want to admit they have exceptions/are actually proship or something? Or do some people just ignore the 'cest' written on the tin? Lol.

Please reblog for a larger pool. ^^

Also, note: No shipping discourse anywhere on this post please. Keep that to yourselves. I'm just curious what people think about the SHIPS, not each other. Be nice.