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[haru-dipthong]

Gendered pronouns in Japanese vs English

In Revolutionary Girl Utena, the main character Utena is a girl (it says so in the title), but very conspicuously uses the masculine first person pronoun 僕 (boku) and dresses in (a variation of) the boys school uniform. Utena's gender, and gender in general, is a core theme of the work. And yet, I haven’t seen a single translation or analysis post where anyone considers using anything other than she/her for Utena when speaking of her in English. This made me wonder: how does one’s choice of pronouns in Japanese correspond to what one’s preferred pronouns would be in English?

There are 3 main differences between gendered pronouns in Japanese vs English

Japanese pronouns are used to refer to yourself (first-person), while English pronouns are used to refer to others (third-person)

The Japanese pronoun you use will differ based on context

Japanese pronouns signify more than just gender

Let’s look at each of these differences in turn and how these differences might lead to a seeming incongruity between one’s Japanese pronoun choice and one’s English pronoun choice (such as the 僕 (boku) vs she/her discrepancy with Utena).

Part 1: First-person vs third-person

While Japanese does technically have gendered third person pronouns （彼、彼女） they are used infrequently¹ and have much less cultural importance placed on them than English third person pronouns. Therefore, I would argue that the cultural equivalent of the gender-signifying third-person pronoun in English is the Japanese first-person pronoun. Much like English “pronouns in bio”, Japanese first-person pronoun choice is considered an expression of identity.

Japanese pronouns are used exclusively to refer to yourself, and therefore a speaker can change the pronoun they’re using for themself on a whim, sometimes mid-conversation, without it being much of an incident. Meanwhile in English, Marquis Bey argues that “Pronouns are like tiny vessels of verification that others are picking up what you are putting down” (2021). By having others use them and externally verify the internal truth of one’s gender, English pronouns, I believe, are seen as more truthful, less frivolous, than Japanese pronouns. They are seen as signifying an objective truth of the referent’s gender; if not objective then at least socially agreed-upon, while Japanese pronouns only signify how the subject feels at this particular moment — purely subjective.

Part 2: Context dependent pronoun use

Japanese speakers often don’t use just one pronoun. As you can see in the below chart, a young man using 俺 (ore) among friends might use 私 (watashi) or 自分 (jibun) when speaking to a teacher. This complicates the idea that these pronouns are gendered, because their gendering depends heavily on context. A man using 私 (watashi) to a teacher is gender-conforming, a man using 私 (watashi) while drinking with friends is gender-non-conforming. Again, this reinforces the relative instability of Japanese pronoun choice, and distances it from gender.

Part 3: Signifying more than gender

English pronouns signify little besides the gender of the antecedent. Because of this, pronouns in English have come to be a shorthand for expressing one’s own gender experience - they reflect an internal gendered truth. However, Japanese pronoun choice doesn’t reflect an “internal truth” of gender. It can signify multiple aspects of your self - gender, sexuality, personality.

For example, 僕 (boku) is used by gay men to communicate that they are bottoms, contrasted with the use of 俺 (ore) by tops. 僕 (boku) may also be used by softer, academic men and boys (in casual contexts - note that many men use 僕 (boku) in more formal contexts) as a personality signifier - maybe to communicate something as simplistic as “I’m not the kind of guy who’s into sports.” 俺 (ore) could be used by a butch lesbian who still strongly identifies as a woman, in order to signify sexuality and an assertive personality. 私 (watashi) may be used by people of all genders to convey professionalism. The list goes on.

I believe this is what’s happening with Utena - she is signifying her rebellion against traditional feminine gender roles with her use of 僕 (boku), but as part of this rebellion, she necessarily must still be a girl. Rather than saying “girls don’t use boku, so I’m not a girl”, her pronoun choice is saying “your conception of femininity is bullshit, girls can use boku too”.

Through translation, gendered assumptions need to be made, sometimes about real people. Remember that he/they, she/her, they/them are purely English linguistic constructs, and don’t correspond directly to one’s gender, just as they don’t correspond directly to the Japanese pronouns one might use. Imagine a scenario where you are translating a news story about a Japanese genderqueer person. The most ethical way to determine what pronouns they would prefer would be to get in contact with them and ask them, right? But what if they don’t speak English? Are you going to have to teach them English, and the nuances of English pronoun choice, before you can translate the piece? That would be ridiculous! It’s simply not a viable option². So you must make a gendered assumption based on all the factors - their Japanese pronoun use (context dependent!), their clothing, the way they present their body, their speech patterns, etc.

If translation is about rewriting the text as if it were originally in the target language, you must also rewrite the gender of those people and characters in the translation. The question you must ask yourself is: How does their gender presentation, which has been tailored to a Japanese-language understanding of gender, correspond to an equivalent English-language understanding of gender? This is an incredibly fraught decision, but nonetheless a necessary one. It’s an unsatisfying dilemma, and one that poignantly exposes the fickle, unstable, culture-dependent nature of gender.

Notes and References

¹ Usually in Japanese, speakers use the person’s name directly to address someone in second or third person

² And has colonialist undertones as a solution if you ask me - “You need to pick English pronouns! You ought to understand your gender through our language!”

Bey, Marquis— 2021 Re: [No Subject]—On Nonbinary Gender

Rose divider taken from this post

[harumichiii]

SAILOR MOON S: Episode 18 - 「芸術は愛の爆発!ちびうさの初恋」

[bettyclampkin]

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[belle-keys]

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Books

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[dsm-wannabe-linguist]

“She’s everything, he’s just Ken” is made all the more hilarious knowing that ken literally just means “who?” in at least 8 languages

[thegreatsagewukong]

So who tops

I asked @thecoolestnoodle to translate, as usual, and he was no help with this one.

So uh, I dont have an answer for you

[fl3sh34t3r]

[Woe, zombie man be upon ye >:] - Em]

*As the Regretevator happens to stop by the Subway Station floor, rather than PartyNoob or Pest boarding, a man with sheep-like features and a long brown open trenchcoat walks in, humming a tune while carrying a guitar case on his back.*

*He seems unbothered by Enidan's presence on the elevator as he takes a spot near the corner, leaning against the railing and slightly scratching at what appeared to be stitches on his face.*

~ @thatonedeadmanwalking

"...hm..."

*Enidan was currently busy bandaging her arm as it stood there in the corner, in a very bad mood. Its tail kept flickering as she kept quietly mumbling to herself in a quite irritated and frustrated manner, pretty pissed off.*

"...getting shot on my arm multiple times just after it fully healed...such luck...tch..."

"...un tel lâche connard..."

*When the man entered the elevator though, it stopped what she was doing for a moment, looking up at him with a raised eyebrow as she was surprised. It didn't expect to see someone new coming from the Subway Station floor...however, it didn't quite please her to see the new face here, especially when she's in this state*

"...huh. I haven't seen you here before...hm..."

*It was quite clear in her tone she wasn't exactly happy to be with someone else in the elevator...it stared at him for a moment, inspecting his appearance while also keeping an eye for any sudden movements. It gave him a pretty stern yet curious look, waiting for some sort of response from him while she observed the expressions on his face.*

[katabay]

The Annotated Arabian Nights: Tales from 1001 Nights, edited with an introduction and notes by Paulo Lemos Horta, translated by Yasmine Seale

[moonshadow-study]

I went to the bookstore yesterday to get extra books for the German grammar part of my course. Lets hope it finally helps me understand that stuff. 🥲

[asketho]

Until Zed can figure out how to fix this mess, I have taken it upon myself to watch over you, baby Etho. Redstone, lawsuits, and shop building can wait for a little baby.

- D @ask-docm77

[ Baby Etho removes his face from the glare plush given to him by the previous anon to look at Doc. He once again attempts to sign something in Void Sign Language, but it's difficult to make out with his tiny baby fists. ]

[haru-dipthong]

I’ve been having trouble putting this idea into words so you’ll have to bear with me, but I was struck when I saw a Japanese news program interviewing foreign tourists in Japan, and some australian women were dubbed over with a stereotypically feminine speech register (lots of のs and わs), and my first thought was “they weren’t speaking that femininely in english”.

A friend of mine from the UK recently mentioned that he noticed that australia has a generally more masculine culture than england - he felt that everyone is a bit more masculine here, including women. This kind of confirmed to me that my impressions of the dubbing were right - the tourists were speaking in a relatively (internationally) more masculine way. Yet their dub made them sound so much more feminine.

It made me wonder. When translating something, do you translate the manner of speaking “directly”, or “relatively” in terms of cultural norms? Maybe this graph will help me explain the question.

A direct appoach in this case might appear to a Japanese person to result in an unexpectedly masculine register, but preserves how the speaker's cultural upbringing has influenced their speech.

The news program translators chose the relative approach - I think I would prefer the direct approach. I think I prefer it because I believe translation should be a rewriting of the original utterance as if the speaker was originally speaking the target language, and the direct approach compliments that way of thinking the best.

Actually now that I type that, I’m second guessing myself. Does it? It does, if for the purposes of the “rewrite it as if they spoke japanese” thought experiment, we suppose the speaker magically learned japanese seconds before making the utterance, but what if we suppose the speaker magically grew up learning japanese - then maybe they would conform to the relative cultural values. But also, maybe they would never have said such a thing in the first place - their original utterance was informed by their upbringing and cultural values, so how could you possibly know what they would have said if they had known japanese from birth? Maybe my initial instinct was right after all?

If you work in translation, I’m very interested to hear if you have come across this problem and how you deal with it 🙏

Further reading: I think this question also ties into this problem I’ve been struggling to answer for a while.

[wishbonedean]

Calling on writers/readers to help come up with terms for facial expressions if they exist.

For today, I'm calling this "the (un)impressed pout", but it's not quite a pout and not only used when (un)impressed. You see the issue.

If you were writing a story and want to express that a character is doing this exact thing with their mouth while considering something they perceive to be unknown but low stakes, how would you describe it? The shorter the better, I'm specifically hoping someone comes up with something as repeatable as "knowing smirk" or "frowning doubtfully" that anyone could use, or even find via google search (took a while to find all these, i had to look up "funny faces" to find them).

Extra bonus points if there *is* a term for this expression in a non-English language! Loan words are more than valid!!

[sugar-seals]

The start of Tiffin's journey wasn't all that gracious to cookies on land, of course with the rarity of selkie coats on the market on an international scale it made walking among the general public much harder to bare. Having to meet someone who she thought had her best interest in mind, Butterscotch Taffy, turned to be a broken promise.

He's quite a charmer with all of that empathy on his face, isn't he? A rich man who only added more to his pile as well as now having a wife who couldn't leave him.. that is if she wasn't daring enough to. Tiffin isn't quite as helpless and afraid as he soon learns later on. :)

+ Käsesahnetorte does look a little odd, but they mean well. vvv

(Icelandic translations on alt text!!!)

[pollyannaskiosk]

am i a coffee addict? absolutely.

finishing summaries of 2 Korean articles is a goal for today. it’s a homework for our political translation course. writing summaries is time-consuming as you need to comprehend the text in Korean, which is difficult. such kind of articles are full of new words we’re supposed to learn by heart.

so, there’s pattern that works for me:

1. finding new words and their definition

2. translation of the paragraphs, one by one

3. highlighting the main ideas in each paragraph and quotes that can’t be omitted

4. putting all the highlighted parts together, using necessary grammar

boom, you’re cool because you have done the assignment and practiced translating🤝🏻

[alhaithamaskblog]

do u ever swear? c’mon, really take it out on those delivery guys. use the worst words u know!

i get the feeling that kaveh is the more colourful one in the house, though…

…in terms of language-

Je suis tellement en colère. J'aurais pu sortir aujourd'hui mais j'ai justement attendu dans cette maison un putain de colis que j'ai payé et cet idiot ne sait même pas comment m'appeler ? il a juste décidé que je n'étais pas à la maison ? es-tu un putain d'idiot ? La jeune génération est-elle si stupide qu'elle ne peut pas décrocher un téléphone et appeler ? Ma journée entière est gâchée parce qu'ils n'ont pas pu livrer un simple putain de colis. Maintenant, qu'est ce que je fais? putain de rien ! maintenant, je dois écouter Kaveh japper pour le reste de la nuit jusqu'à ce qu'il se boive stupidement et que je doive le ramener à la maison. Je déteste ça. Je veux qu'il se taise et qu'il me tienne. est-ce si dur ? mais non, tout le monde pense que je suis un robot sans sentiments mais ce n'est pas vrai. Je ressens des choses que je ne comprends pas. Je suis sensible. J'ai déjà pleuré à cause d'un changement mineur dans mes plans. Je déteste ça. Je suis surstimulé et en colère parce qu'un putain de connard ne peut pas faire son putain de travail.

[svtskneecaps]

my biological peer reviewer (sibling) called this theory “fun” and said i should send it, so here goes

my personal theory is the feds ((”federation”)) created the eggs because they decided the best way to enforce “you can never leave” was to give the people something they couldn’t lose, like in the post by tumblr user alexaloraetheris (no relation to the smp) where their friend who might be a deity had said,

"When you die you descend to the underworld with nothing to lose. To keep you, they give you something to lose. When you want to return, they will demand it back. That's why nobody ever leaves. The only way out is to never enter."

i’m thinkin that on egg D-Day, at the end of the countdown, the feds weren’t gonna give the eggs back. they were just gonna hide them forever, or do something else, anything else, just keep them away from their surrogate parents, because then the people would just be STUCK, because people could theoretically take their eggs and leave, but if the eggs are missing, gone without a trace, then the residents CAN’T LEAVE, because presumably the eggs are STILL THERE, SOMEWHERE, IN NEED OF HELP AND RESCUE, if only the residents could find them ON THE ISLAND. if they leave the island while the eggs are missing, they are abandoning these things that have become their children.

but then in came the brazilians. and shit went south. because see, the spenglish (spanish / english) streamers were INVITED, but the brazilians CRASHED; the feds didn’t INVITE THEM, they weren’t EXPECTING THEM, but they can’t let these guys leave either, so they PANIC, and they scramble to give the brazilians the same thing--something to lose. the new egg had a brazilian jersey, homie was TAILOR MADE for them to pack bond with. the feds didn’t have time to send out multiple eggs, it was all or nothing, so they picked something they could reasonably assume all five of them would find endearing because they don’t know shit about these guys--they had a week to observe the OG batch, but all they know about these newbies is the brazilian flag on their boat--and so they sent the little egg out to become THEIR THING, the thing they couldn’t afford to lose.

it leaves open why the eggs are cracked too, bc idk what’s going on there lol, either 1: the eggs cracked because they’re hatching and the feds picked that date bc they wanted to yoink the eggs before they got Too Powerful, or 2: the feds were the ones to crack the eggs as an excuse for why they vanished--returning the eggs untouched would open too many questions the feds don’t want them asking; this way, instead of being concerned specifically with “why were the eggs missing”, the residents presume they know the answer--the cracks.

but yea i’m just gonna add as an aside that personally i think cucurucho / osito bimbo / the white fucker is way more active again because the feds are still scrambling to keep up with the brazilians (which, again, the feds weren’t expecting), and the binary fuckwad came in to put the fear of god into the newbies--maybe so they didn’t get too focused on the morse code transmissions; iirc max was theorizing that both osito and binary were part of the federation ? and if so it does make sense that the binary entity went to fuck with cellbit immediately after cellbit was introduced to the conspiracies of the island, yknow, a warning shot. i think they want them to be focused on the eggs.

BUT THAT’S JUST A THEOr