#Armand is seeing things that I like
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Lestat De Lioncourt, my darling little creejure!!! 🫰🫰😺😺 He's one of my favorite little dolls to play with and I loved the look that Armand allowed him to wear on his play pretend vision (that's how me and Armand are similar)
#lestat de lioncourt#interview with the vampire#fanart#vampire fanart#vampire chronicles#iwtv lestat#the vampire lestat#anne rice#amc iwtv#iwtv fanart#iwtv#Armand is seeing things that I like#and that means Lestat gets to look like this#in his darling little velveteen suit#he is like Curdoury the bear to me
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i need daniel to be overcompensating for his insecurities so bad. 100 times more cocky and rude and aggressive and insensitive than he was as a human, falling back into old dangerous habits and vices, not just because now he has new energy and power and wealth to flaunt but because it's ALL he has, and he needs to cling onto it. play it up and revel in it so no one sees that underneath, he feels like a botched fledgling in the body of a sick, faded old man who maybe has no real idea why he was even made. that armand might think he failed in making him. that his maker didn't even really want him.
#i think vampirism isnt inherently torturous to him in any sort of moral way#but more in an inner self worth/image way#louis felt he was failing because he rejected/didn't enjoy human blood and death#i can see daniel being fine with killing but being insecure about the way he turned out/the way he is now#and his complicated connection with armand and what it all means for him. why he cares what he thinks or feels when he doesnt want to#but he does. and he has all these questions he needs him to answer#this sort of thing would be a way to connect him to louis further and also lestat now#louis who felt like a “botched vampire” for a long time and lestat who was immediately abandoned by his maker#and how lestat coped with what had been done to him by trying to fully embrace what he'd been turned into#anyway the bottom line is i think he should suffer and struggle with vampirism just as much as everyone else has in his own way#but he still has to be a massive insufferable asshole about it. and maybe get smacked around a bit because of it#iwtv#daniel molloy
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i hope iwtv gets absolutely nasty when the devil's minion stuff happens bc they weren't even just having metaphorical blood drinking sex they were having weird freaky sex fr
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#devil’s minion#iwtv#interview with the vampire#armand#daniel molly#daniel x armand#ah yes the sleep of an infant! tabula rasa! totally normal not at all ominous thing to say to these two men you've severely mindfucked#insane#also as a 90s vampire kid i am constitutionally incapable of hearing the words 'tabula rasa' without immediately jumping to buffy#in the btvs s6 episode 'tabula rasa' willow uses her supercharged psychic witchy powers to make her girlfriend forget they're fighting#she's terrified tara will leave her so she makes her blissfully unaware of their recent relationship turmoil#hmm doesn't sound relevant at all#definitely doesn't sound like anyone we know who preserves any semblance of domestic happiness at the cost of their partners' agency#siri play under your spell/standing reprise#anyway obviously tabula rasa is much broader concept than mind controlling your queer lover in vampire media lmao#but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a nod. i think it's a fun little connection to a work clearly inspired by the vampire chronicles#and it wouldn't be the only show detail referencing works directly inspired by/referencing tvc#see the copy of a book called 'the savage garden' in daniel's ny apartment in episode one#my edits
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obviously all the characters in Interview With The Vampire have such tragic pasts, and they each have so many good lines of dialogue that beautifully capture that trauma, but the one I just keep coming back to is Armand saying, voice shaking, "No one has painted me in over 400 years". It's the sadness and resentment in his voice, the implications of it, partly he just misses Marius I'm sure, but I really think that it's more than that, Armand is so deeply insecure, I can't help but think that maybe he doesn't consider himself worthy to be painted, he says "No one has painted me in over 400 years" and I can't help but hear "It has been 400 years since I was worth painting"
#ANYWAYS yall think Daniel can paint at all 👀#one thing about Armand that i didn't realize until i read the Devil's Minion chapter is that Armand considers vampirism such a curse#like he basically says to Daniel when they first meet “i wouldn't wish vampirism on my worst enemy. why tf would i turn an innocent like u?”#so like yeah i think Armand doesn't see himself as worthy of being painted anymore :(#amc interview with the vampire#interview with a vampire#interview with the vampire#interview with the vampire amc#armand#armand the vampire#amc armand#armand de romanus#the vampire armand#armand iwtv#iwtv#amc iwtv#iwtv amc#iwtv meta#devil's minion#the devil's minion#devils minion#the devils minion#like i know that's not what the post is abt but Daniel could fix Armand i do believe that#and by fix him i mean make him worse in the best way
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“This time I won’t save your life”
100% Armand spent the entire time leading up to and during Daniel’s time in Dubai speed-reading any and all literature on Parkinson’s he can get his claws on, he and Louis have canonically highjacked his medical care, Armand-as-Rashid has probs personally signed off on every single meal Daniel has eaten, he materialises out of thin fucking air every time Louis twitches in Daniel’s general direction and I would not put it past him to be monitoring the guy’s heart-rate 24/7 via super-vampire-hearing alone.
But sure dude, whatever helps you not-sleep I guess
#i keep seeing that scene in edits and like YOU ARE LYING SIR#like bare-faced shameless lying#about a great many things but THAT specifically#armand adding ‘hipaa violations’ to his wrap sheet like the stalker he is#armand#vampire armand#daniel molloy#devil’s minion#armandaniel#amc iwtv#iwtv 2022#interview with the vampire
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#iwtv#interview with the vampire#armand#the vampire armand#amc iwtv#amc interview with the vampire#whewwwww#enjoyed making something after a long time#he is literally pookie even after all the atrocities he has committed idccc idkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!#im not immune to his doe eyes#btw that small symbol thing in case you cant see is 3 of swords 👀#also i have a list of all the fave quotes i can literally always find something there for a character i like hmmmmmm#iwtveditsrf
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Adore Devil's Minion. Hate the idea that Daniel has to "save" or "fix" Armand. First of all, boring. Second of all, that's what Marius thought he was doing. Third — of all characters to attribute a savior complex to, Daniel "Poke the Bear" Molloy is by far the most laughable option.
#hm. do I tag this or not#iwtv#devil's minion#don't get me wrong. I am not saying armand doesn't deserve to put everything he's carrying down for once#and I would love to see daniel terrorize marius#however. I do not think armand needs to be treated like a helpless baby who is nothing but his suffering#because that is exactly how marius treated him. and at least as far as book!armand goes he does not seem to want a repeat of that dynamic#I acknowledge that the show could take his character arc in a different direction#but I do hope they let show!dm be as deranged as it is in the books#is armand kind of pathetic in many ways? sure. but he is also a sadistic freak. and daniel loves him because of that. not in spite of it#if his 'healing' looks like someone defanging him I am going to throw things
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"Louis acting like a pimp to Armand" And what is a pimp exactly? Quickly. And, oh so sexual trauma survivors can't engage in kink now without it being all about that? Pet names? They can't be submissive anymore? Consensually? Sexually healthy? Be serious. I'd hardly say there's much power difference between them during all this anyway, except that Louis is freer than Armand and it's been putting a strain on their relationship. Louis wants more from Armand, and less of this 'being his past' for them both, and so helping Armand with this could fix that. It's healthy to want to help your partners get out of a rough patch?
I mean, the whole exchange was very clearly set up as a "I want to help you" after such a great moment of vulnerability Louis feels just how much Armand is desperate for it. Louis called Armand so they could work out a plan together.
And the bit with the umbrella was Louis' way of asking 'are you willing to listen to me?' and Armand said yes by unfolding it. Louis goes on and explains, Armand is allowed to argue against it, but Louis makes his point. And then he gives Armand a way to make his own choice in it too. Armand's already decided 'I want you, more than anything else in the world', but Louis still asks after if he's sure of his choice, and with a name, Arun, that is the one of his fullest agency, running the point home. Honoring the situation Armand calls Louis Maitre - as a way of being like 'I'll do as you've said then'. To make this work he's going to have to give Louis some of the control, yes. But it's the first time such a role is ever established, and it was his choice to do it. So so what if they do it in a very suggestive way? They can't like doing that? I think it's them having fun.
I struggle to find how Louis is being overly domineering here when really he's giving and offering Armand the most agency he's ever had. Same with finding it manipulative. The manipulation was more earlier in the episode I think, when he was stringing him along, giving mixed signals. He's no longer toying with him like that. Louis might be pushing Armand, leading him on to make a decision, but he doesn't mean bad by it.
But back to this pimp thing. I find it frankly offensive that this is where people are going with this. I get it, but to run with it being the case is, on many levels, wrong.
Louis told us episode 1 this was the only sustainable line of work to support his family and keep their standing, at the time. It was never his choice to be doing this either but his blackness allowed no other options. He did what he did so his family could stay in that house and maintain all their same comforts. It gave him privileges most black men didn't have at the time that he wanted to maintain and even have more of. Anyway, it doesn't and had never defined him the way 'being good at running things' had. And in that case he just likes having that kind of control where he can get it, which makes sense.
The world is what placed that kind of role onto him of what he was allowed to be able to run, not himself. And on that he actually treated the sex workers he employed well and respected them enough to give them more opportunity.** He recognizes they don't have much in the way of options either.
Louis employed sex workers, yes, but he didn't subject them to abuse, (like how Armand was)*. He didn't oversee things in a way that would go against their consent (see; episode 1 again)**. Sometimes a job is just a job. And Sex work is work.
Armand's particular past with sexual abuses may strike a particular cord with Louis, given all that, but the very last thing either is thinking is that Louis' pimping Armand out here. This is merely their decision as companions, and had nothing to do with adding another line in a laundry list of selling Armands body out to people at the command of someone else. Armand rescinds some of his control to Louis' wishes, because he wants him, and he trusts him, that's all.
If you aren't allowing Armand that choice, and are doubtful it's fully his, you're putting him right back in the box of being defined by his abuses. Putting him back into that space where he isn't given any agency over what he does. (Which is exactly opposite of what the intent of this scene is for)*.
*: (edit) added for clarity.
**: (strike through) numerous people are saying I'm misremembering these points so disregard it. (Thought he was siding with Bricks, it was the other way around). (Technically one aspect of those opportunities were for getting around the law). I don't have a perfect memory, it happens. Let's not get mad about it. Doesn't change much of the point which is that Louis, now, Louis then, was always considering more about the running things and for stated purposes. So I guess I'd say he may only have respected the SWers enough sometimes for what allowed him to do that, and there are moments he certainly expressed remorse over the fact, but he has a great deal higher respect for Armand that is genuine. It's incomparable. Please read my added notes in the tags, it should address most other concerns.
#amc iwtv#iwtv spoilers#iwtv season 2#Loumand#louis du pointe du lac#armand#interview with the vampire#IWTV#Many people are ranting about this but I'm throwing my hat in too#signed someone who went through csa and is close friends with many swers#long rant#noticing spelling errors in this after posting ffff#added note: I'm not saying armand and louis dynamic is without it's flaws or that louis was somehow without his exploitation and faults#while he was a pimp#as a pimp though he certainly wasn't going about it in the same way as what had happened in the brothel or with marius#I more so say that their very actions are of a healthier dynamic than that this is true even if they themselves are not exactly so#all for nuanced and messed up relationships that run everywhere in this show#But I still don't see it as that specific dynamic I wouldn't call it that there's just an amount of that dominence at play#neither want to be tethered to the roles they've been playing previously and they aren't entirely different for it but#are still arriving to this idea of needing something new to define themselves by and something they both want#they're exploring with this companionship that they're still trying to get a feel for#we as an audience might know they never do fully work their shit out and so are doomed but they don't at that point#last thing I guess is that I am not here to start shit it's fictional and not that serious 4 me 2 care enough 2 go after any1#not individually no#These are just my thoughts#I heavily caution using this idea of it being like the pimp 'jumped out' or whatever for reasons above#and its racist implications as others have said more bluntly (I've implied it)
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loumand argument in full (along with subtitles) !!!!!!
#for those of us whose first language isnt english heh#well ive memorized the whole thing by now but still i like seeing it written#they do speak over each other a lot lol#so beautiful right im gonna marry someone who can speak along to it like meeee#interview with the vampire#iwtv#louis de pointe du lac#armand#daniel molloy#iwtv s2 ep5#loumand
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did u save my life in paris ? i gave u to armand u tell me if that was saving. why didnt u say it was me who saved u not him ? i dont like to point out my virtues. besides i knew ud figure it out and look. u have. i was right. all hail me. been enduring here ? not enduring. living. here in new orleans the whole time ? its my home. i am she she is me. i didnt know it was a gift. i wore it like a curse i was selfish. i- i tried to make the nights awful for u. i see. i wanted u to suffer cuz i was suffering. oh shall we list all the ways we have wronged each other and why it will never be right between monstrous- i came to thank u. for the gift u offered me. the gift i denied. for the nights in front of me where i might learn to live honestly. thank u. spetember 8th. 1973. september 8th 1973. it was 11:07 here. it wouldve been 9:07 in san francisco. armand called me. where u there ? yeah. did u hurt urself ? i was lost. i was in a dark way and i was thinking about- i cant i cant get her out of my mind. u have the same problem ? yeah. i cant louis- i cant-. hey hey its not on u u hear me ? i carried her home i made u turn her. i saved her from a fire so a half century later she could... she looked at me at the end... like a child looking to her father... but i was never-
#interview with the vampire#hugs hugs temple and cheek kisses and whispered words meant to be heard only by them#and my fucking suicide !!!!! what the fuckkk#this has been in my brain on loop for hours like#i see them and hear this conversation every time i close my eyes#it has been incredible thanks#theyre just so. and so. and the way he. and when they and then he and and#im gonna go crazy someone shoot me in the head#u were supposed to die with claudia HE DIDNT SAVE U LESTAT DID#GASP#me when im in a loustat shipping contest and my opponent is daniel molloy#like ok girl grrrrrr#anyway this show it fucking unbelievable and it is absolutely the best things thats ever happened to me and it did in fact change my life#iwtv s2#amc interview with the vampire#amc iwtv#iwtv#louis de pointe du lac#lestat#lestat lestat lestat lestat#armand#loustat#GIVE THEM THEIR EMMYS NOW !!!!!!! RIGHT FUCKING NOWWWWWW !!!!
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Armand on a post-divorce bender while Daniel is partying it up on tour with Lestat
#interview with the vampire#daniel molloy#lestat de lioncourt#armand#rolin i am kissing you on the mouth for saying that daniel and lestat could find common ground next season#been actively praying for lesdaniel in S3 and if it happens prepare for me to be insufferable 😈#love armand but i want to see him driven nuts by his fledgling and his failed situationship getting on like a house on fire#want lesdaniel to be about lesmand and devil’s minion and loustat and also a secret fourth thing#also got my fingers crossed for an ill-advised one night stand between lestat and daniel#let’s get nuts
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i can see 1980/1981 (around the time daniel turns 27/28) as being the catalyst for his relationship with armand starting to splinter, his resentment over armand withholding the gift coming to a head, the occasional running off and wandering starting before it starts ramping up in frequency. because it's when it really hits him that's where armand is frozen — 27 forever — and daniel's past that now. he's always been younger than armand both physically and mentally but now daniel's the one who's older physically. suddenly it's way more real that one day he'll be turning grey and armand won't and it fucks with him badly
#i think w book daniel starting out only 3 years older than armand's physical age he always had this sense of armand being eternally young#at first its not too bad but its a gradual thing that builds up with every birthday that passes and every year hes refused#every year he gets older and and older and older and armand stays the same#drifting further away#but with show daniel its like. he hasnt caught up yet#and then he does but armand doesnt move#meanwhile i think armand would be delighted seeing him reach that age; being allowed to grow#but its not what daniel wants#iwtv#armandaniel#devil's minion
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I genuinely like this. Armand noticing that Louis is just not that into him and being unwilling to go all in himself because he genuinely cares about the coven is such a fascinating reversal of the situation in the books but it is still undeniably peak Armand to transition seamlessly between "I want you more than anything in the world" and "You don't want me so maybe die" like what was the trial if not Armand pushing Louis off the tower because he still wasn't ready to love him?
#press says iwtv#interview with the vampire#granted. i wish this had been more apparent in the show#however it is actually entirely possible i had my book blinkers on and just missed it#like i didn't know how things were going to shake out and in fact it was obvious that armand would have to have different motives#but i thought they'd go with killing claudia to blame lestat and evade any possibility of a loustat reunion#not wow this man is probably not worth all this#and then being like hm the coven are mean to me now anyway maybe i dig him out of his coffin and see how it goes#armand did stand up. arguably.
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idk why it's taken me this long to think about it like this but the real reason i don't like 70s/80s era DM in the show timeline is because it's cheating. and i don't mean infidelity, i mean it's a cheap way to cut around all the issues armand and daniel have with each other in the modern day. like it's a massively difficult thing to write these characters getting from point A (armand's life being ruined by daniel and daniel hating armand/being highly distrustful of him) to point B (a sincere romantic relationship) but if you invent a Secret Romantic History That Daniel Forgot But Will Remember then it's a piece of cake for them to forgive each other. but no! i say no! i want the writers to put the work in!!!!
#armandiel#armand iwtv#daniel molloy#armand#the vampire armand#iwtv#interview with the vampire#for the record. i have now written four whole fics that are just sitting in my drafts#of 70s/80s era DM. like i Get It. i Get the appeal. im not trying to ruin anyones fun#but its one thing to explore it in fanworks and its another thing to treat it as canon#which does??? seem to be the pretty standard way of thinking in this fandom?????#except my beloved mutuals. i see u#thunder rambles#edit: HELP i know ive made this point 70 million times before. for some reason it just didnt click that#'a second amnesia plotline would be bad' -> 'because it's cheap writing'. let me live
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it never occurred to me before but did louis say to armand does he want to lick my boots or chop my hands off because he knows he’s done it to nicki??? ��
#loumand#loumand fight#iwtv#idk who would’ve told him#probably not lestat bc he never mentioned any other vampires#but i can’t see armand casually being like oh yeah i chopped lestat’s boyfriend’s hands off :)#but it’s such a specific choice it probably was intentional of the writers to put it in??#iwtv 2x05#interview with the vampire#louis de pointe du lac#ldpdl#armand#the vampire armand#nicki de lenfent#nicolas de lenfent#nickistat#maybe louis asked what the fuck went down after lestat’s trial speech about how he was essentially killed and armand told him#that seems like the most plausible thing#amc iwtv#iwtv amc
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