#Anti Helena Diaz

[makorragal-312]

The Diaz parents are gonna be in for a rude awakening when they realize that Chris is in Texas with them for the sole purpose of getting space from his dad, not to fulfill their long-awaited familial fantasy.

[chronicowboy]

i really. i don't want to have too much faith because this storyline is stupid and has been eked out long enough already. but. sob stories to me immediately made me think of helena. it's such a manipulative phrase and immediately evokes crocodile tears to me. so now i'm imagining it being The Conflict episode where eddie goes to texas or starts working in earnest to get chris back and helena is performing her little heart out with tears and barely veiled insults and every trick in her fucking box and eddie just fucking snaps. and says everything he's ever wanted to say to her. (and then he grabs chris and they go home and he cuts off contact with them forever and ever <3)

[stagefoureddiediaz]

The Chris and water theming is still making itself known.

It’s making me wonder if that pool is gonna get built and Chris is gonna get into danger in it because Helena isn’t paying attention etc!

[eddiestach87]

One of the reasons why I think things coming to light that the fans don't know about is Helena and Ramon being shitty is because of this-

Christopher needs a solid reason to FULLY trust Eddie again. I don't want him to be betrayed for another time. But he would feel a sense of betrayal if his grandparents were sabotaging their own son from having access to Chris. He already wants more bodily autonomy. That wouldn't help. Them making that decision FOR him

It would enrage him enough to move back with Eddie

[galahads-hart]

It says a lot that I hate Helena Diaz more than I hate John fucking Winchester.

(But maybe that's because John is dead. Thankfully)

[rosstrytobe]

I'm still mad at Helena, I can’t sympathize for her...

HOW COULD SHE TAKE AWAY HIS NEPHEW FROM HIS SON, SMILING LIKE SHE FINALLY HAPPY AND THEN WANTING TO MAKE CHRISTOPHER STAYING WITH THE BOOK CLUB AND THE POOL WHEN YOU NEVER DID ANY OF THOSE THING FOR YOUR ACTUALLY SON!!

She has to be taken down

[annemriex]

I just found a fic in my drafts that I started in the summer before the new season started.

I don’t know if I should continue it or not it definitely won’t be canon compliant but I think if I manage to get it written out it could be so much fun to do.

It’s from Chris’ POV while he’s in Texas getting to know about his parents childhood and his Tia’s.

In this fic Adriana is ten years younger than Eddie and it’s made me realise that although it’s totally different circumstances her and Eddie kind of mirror Chris and Shannon.

Eddie went to war when Adriana was 8/9 was gone for nearly 4 years. Came back for around a year then moved to LA.

Shannon left when Chris was 5/6 was gone for 2 years and then came back for months and then died.

I think it would be neat to have Adriana be like this young woman who just wants her brother to talk to her like he used to because he’s the coolest person she knows. She’ll then realise he’s a massive dork and not actually that cool but you get me.

Sophia I hadn’t got to adding yet but I would have her in the middle of the two age wise so that Eddie still felt the shift from only child to big brother but he and Sophia were a little team and she’s more angry that he left and just cut them off. But she’d be the one to be able to help Chris learn about his parents as kids because she was old enough to remember better than Adriana.

Chris would end up arguing with Helena and Ramon about the way they’ve handled everything.

[cassidyrivers]

I don't know if someone has already spoken this theory in existence (I'm new in the fandom but I'm sure someone's already thought about it at least), but I had a horrible thought that is now basically a headcanon for me.

Say Eddie was openly bi/pan/demi/queer in his teens to his family for one reason or another with their reactions varying. What if when Chris was conceived, one of the reasons the Diaz parents were so insistent that Eddie and Shannon get married was to get their son in a "straight" relationship? I mean, they disliked/hated Shannon and made her life hell, so one more reason for the pressure applied could be that?

I hate my mind for going there, but honestly, I see it from them.

[gatergirl79]

Fictional parents I would happily push under a train:

John Winchester

Helena Diaz

[cassidyrivers]

The fact that the foster care system in 911 (idk how it is irl) cares more about parental reunification than the Diaz parents is actually my villain origin story...

i don’t care if helena & ramon are the most amazing perfect guardians in the universe to chris, it’s shitty that they're not working toward reunification of their son and grandson like they should be

[makorragal-312]

Controversial opinion, but the way people have been criticizing Chris for still giving Eddie the cold shoulder has been rubbing me the wrong way.

Now, the fact that Chris is still icing out Eddie three months later bothers me, too. But we really have to think about the circumstances. We're not talking about a teenager giving his dad the silent treatment because he took away his phone privileges.

We're talking about a young teenager who's still very much reeling from the trauma of seeing his dad kissing a woman who looked like his dead mother. The same dead mother who is the catalyst for his current abandonment issues and created the mindset within him that people are inevitably going to leave him. So much so, that he strung along multiple female classmates into thinking they were dating him.

And don't forget, when Buck went to talk to him before he left, he told him that for a second, he had thought that Shannon had actually come back to him, only for it to not be the case. So for him to see that and his father kissing her while having a girlfriend no less, that probably felt like the ultimate betrayal. And given who his grandparents are, I'm willing to bet that they haven't brought up the topic of what happened for Chris to actually get his feelings out about.

I'm not saying I want Chris to treat Eddie like this forever, but I do think that the kid needs to be extended the necessary grace given the situation.

[chronicowboy]

in the shower crafting intricate and extensive rants in defense of eddie diaz like i'll ever actually meet fictional Worst Person Alive helena maidenname (she doesn't deserve diaz)

[stickdoodlefriend]

Considering how 911 has forgiven every terrible parent of the main characters, not forgiving Eddie who has devoted his entire life to Christopher since he was born would be absolutely ridiculous. Like Buck's whole speech to Chris on why to forgive Eddie is him forgiving his own parents who drove him to self-harm to gain attention? Which is way worse than what Eddie did. We've been told time and time again how much Eddie's parents messed him up in canon, and now suddenly they are the more 'stable' choice to parent a kid?

Another point if we continue with Eddie losing Chris is it would reinforce the very harmful lie that Eddie thinks: he cannot have joy, forgiveness, and identity outside of his son.

The blowout with Kim only happens once Eddie tries to find closure with Shannon in a very messed up form on non-consensual therapy. Eddie recognized what he was doing wrong and tried putting a stop to it. He was not going to go to Kim again after telling her about Shannon. But once he finds some sort of closure, he is punished harshly by his son walking in and then walking out of his life, making his worst nightmare come true.

He finds forgiveness with the help of the priest and joy in a very very long time? The newest clip seems to punish him immediately with now Chris might not even come back.

CHRIS'S POV

Even from Chris's POV, it doesn't make sense that somehow both the Diaz grandparents suddenly gained emotional intelligence and maturity to raise Chris in a healthy environment to get over his trauma when they couldn't do that for more than 30 years?! Chris is avoiding, I doubt he is getting therapy there to deal with it. It was traumatic and he is valid for being mad but staying mad is hurting him. Eddie's whole arc and issue stem from the toxic masculinity that he needed to unlearn which makes him the king of repression. You know who caused a silly goofy man (Eddie at his core is very silly and is forced to be serious) to repress? His parents who are now somehow better options to deal with Chris's complicated emotions?

They think Chris loves the water, but they don't know the enormous work Eddie did to help Chris get over the tsunami. Chris breaks down during COVID because he misses Carla and his friends which dredges up his abandonment issues? They don't know that it was Buck who supported him through it and how Eddie adjusted his relationship with Ana to make him more comfortable. They don't know that Eddie quit the job he loved so Chris wouldn't be scared of losing him. They don't know how scared Chris was when Eddie got shot. We often focus on how Buck broke down and how Chris hugs him but Chris is breaking down with him together.

THE WILL (DISREGARDING ROMANCE)

Eddie's not stupid. He didn't put Buck instead of his parents in his will out of spite. Because really when it comes down to it, Buck was the best option for the will in canon. In the very beginning, we were told Tia Pepa and Abuela can't take care of Chris full time (thus, Carla). But Carla is paid for her job, she won't be on the will. Eddie has no other family in LA and we don't know how his situation is with his sisters. However, considering canon implies then to be younger (thus his parentification), Eddie would consider them too young (subjective) to raise his son. None of the 118 is as involved with Chris as Buck is. In fact, a big reason is the fact that is that Buck allows the Diaz boys a safe space which Eddie was not allowed to have growing up.

Buck has respected Chris's autonomy (admires it even- canon from s2), supports and listens to him without making him feel bad, expresses his emotions and finds ways to support him (like finding equine therapy, accessible skateboard) and respects his decision even if he doesn't like it (going to Texas). And I'm not saying because of Buddie or anything. Even if they remain platonic co-parents (co-parenting as described by Oliver Stark and Ryan Guzman), they serve as parallels to things Eddie wouldn't have gotten from his parents if he was in Chris's position.

Eddie was forced to manage his mother's emotions while his father was absent. Chris has a dead/absent mother but never has he had to manage Eddie's emotions. When Eddie has a mental breakdown, he calls Buck and is told to focus on his own healing (equine therapy). Time and time again, Eddie has said that his problems are not on Chris to help.

When Chris wakes up crying from a nightmare about the tsunami, Eddie gets him help and never criticizes him. What do you think happened when Eddie would wake up from his own nightmares after being discharged from the army? He was living with his parents, Shanon and baby Chris, there's no way his parents didn't know about it. We have proof in canon that Eddie never received any help and Shannon was at the end of her rope until she abandoned him. All his parents did was fight him for custody and applaud him for almost dying (aka silver star).

POSSIBLE FIX

One way to maybe fix this is by working with the theme of Eddie reclaiming his agency. If he goes to Texas to fight for his son, to have that communication, group therapy even, letting Chris know he is working on making himself better and that Chris needs to confront his issues and how running away and not feeling with grief is how the Kim situation happened in the first place.

Or, I understand that Gavin McHugh might want to take a break and return to the show except a few scenes. We can give him the Denny or May Grant treatment, where they are there but we don't see them anymore, just referenced. Like have a video call saying he wants to come back, show Eddie ecstatic and ready to hug someone at the airport, fade to black, and next time we can have Eddie on cloud nine but also scared of losing Chris again.

TLDR; It's unfair to punish Eddie when every main character's terrible parent has been forgiven and reinforces the idea that he isn't allowed to have joy, forgiveness and identity outside of Chris. Keeping Chris with his parents implies they are a better choice when they're the reason Eddie has these issues. There are better ways to handle the situation while minimizing Gavin's screen time.

[eddiestach87]

The other alternative-and less nefarious means for Helena is having generational trauma. Ryan has said Eddie isn't used to talking about his feelings.

I lowkey think that they aren't getting Chritopher hardly any therapy. They are distracting him with material thing, like lots of friends, and a pool. I don't think Helena and Ramone have ever gone to therapy.

It kind of shows.

[hermscat]

I can't stand the Buckley parents, I think they are utterly irredeemable but they didn't deliberately set out to hurt Buck, circumstances got away from them and yes, they should be completely cut out of his life, absolutely.

Ramon Diaz? Idiot, absolute numpty, lousy father but again, not deliberately so and has seemed to be making progress with Eddie.

Helena Diaz though? Total fecking witch, evil vicious malicious can burn in hell wouldn't cross the road to pee on her if she was on fire, devil incarnate...did I stutter?

Her son, her only son has been through so much pain, has tried so hard to be the best father he can, so much better than the father that Helena allowed Ramon to be, is obviously distraught about how his life has fallen down around him and frankly, to anyone with a brain or a heart, is a huge suicide risk. And what does this callous bitch do? She smirks as she leaves with her prize finally, her do over baby, her little man.

Helena deserves nothing except maybe an unfortunate and very terminal/painful accident!

My disdain for the Diaz parents started the moment they told Eddie should come back to El Paso immediately following Shannon's funeral.

[porque-nolos-dos]

eddie diaz is truly a better person than i could ever be, because if my parents parentified me when i was a child and i was expected to step up and be the "man of the house" at age 10 or whatever that bs was, and then when i had my ACTUAL child whom i am ACTUALLY responsible for and am raising (something that i WANT to do and LOVE doing because hey, i LOVE my kid), and my parents where then like "you have no idea what you're doing. we should raise your kid. how could you think that you could ever do this" el paso simply would no longer exist. it would be burned off the map from the rage of it all. it would be fucking nuclear. if season 8b isn't just eddie eviscerating his parents for 10 episodes straight, then what's the point of it all? just to suffer??

anyways. good night to everyone except to ramon and helena diaz. you two are always welcome to go fuck yourself.