#Ancient Greece was gay as hell

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It's why some in some academic circles (and the books, films and documentaries made by them or by those that reference them for research) there is this push to speak about indigenous people as "gone" and frame everything about them as some bygone, missing, mystical, destroyed culture that they are working *oh so hard* to catalogue. Indigenous people are still very much here but if you acknowledge that you have to actually work on reconciliation, ask permission, go out and talk to people, apologize, return things, revise theories you made. For some academics (as well as anyone who loves to abuse history for their own political needs) it's a lot more handy for a culture to be dead so they can do what they want with it and frame it however they like and not have anyone contradict them.

Went to the Aboriginal artifact exhibit in Chicago. And it’s interesting. How many blankets and masks and totem poles say ‘unknown source’, because every five seconds my mom would stop and point to something and say. “Pauline’s grandmother made that,” or, “That belongs to Mike’s family, I should call him” because. It’s all stolen

[zorosleftmantit101]

One piece characters as tweets i find stupidly funny part 2

Characters: to lazy to right em

A/N: two posts in one day, crazy times

C/W: Mentions of harming animals (a goose) Twitter shit

Buggy: i hate babies with grown-ass names, no i ain't holding WALTER 😭

Ace: I love seeing goths in normal situations like wyd at the dentist girl!

Sabo: just found out that 51 is divisible by 17 i feel fucking sick i can't breathe

Luffy: Strangling an adult goose gotta feel better than opiates I just know it in my heart

Zoro: Me driving to the store: Yeah i'm a total storepilled foodcel. I'm basically going store mode and i'm giving producecore vibes

My 8 year old son Doban: Daddy I think God should kill you

Law: Powerball winners in ancient greece be like

Yay more alive oil

Kid: I went an entire semester without realizing my friend had tourette's

He'd randomly say "jackin off" and we'd all say

"hell yeah" and high five him, thinking he was just a cool guy who liked to party

Brook: Well folks, I think the #Time ⏰has come. I am sealing myself in my #WineBarrel to become #Wine. Goodbye.

Franky: accidentally opened my eyes during prayer at church and saw jesus doing the worm

Usopp: Cops busted me for felony possession of various knickknacks and doohickeys

Sanji: french is such a gay language

"oh la la" gay as hell

Shanks: wtf is a conclusion paragraph just stop reading bro

Katakuri: no meds no therapy no psych ward just raw dogging this mental illness the way God intended

@zorosleftmantit101 2023

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Hazbin Rewrite - Angel Dust

I've made a few big changes here and made a few early concepts of Angel much more prominent (mainly his drag queen performances). For one, Angel is not under a contract with Valentino, but Val is actively pursuing a contract at the moment. That, and Angel is half Italian half Russian and lived in the USSR, which has an effect on his personality in the afterlife.

TW: Mentions of the USSR and Communism, Period Accurate Homophobia/Internalized Homophobia, Sex Work, VALENTINO, Mentions of Drugs, Brief Mention of Gender Dysphoria, I changed his real name to Anatoly to fit his new home country

In life, Anatoly worked as a drag queen and gay prostitute during the 1940s, sometimes stealing a few extra Russian Rubles from his clients when his family was in hard times. This was dangerous work, considering the USSR banned male homosexuality in the 1930s, and prostitution was already illegal, but he wanted to pursue it. It was his way of trying to make extra income for his family as well as try to express himself. He kept it as secret as he possibly could. He never really saw his homosexuality, sex work, and drag as a problem until he did get caught. He ended up passing away during his "5 years of hard labor". He was ratted out by his father, who got scared the rest of his family would be punished for housing him.

In Hell, his sins are homosexuality and sex work. However, it's important to realize that my rewrite's version of sin is individualized to what the person perceived as wrong or sinful in life. There's many people in Hell for things like sex work, homosexuality, or being transgender not because it is bad, but because they themselves perceived it as such. There's also plenty of of people in Heaven who are transgender, homosexual, or sex workers because they didn't see being those things as bad while they were alive. It just so happens that there's an influx of people during around the 1600's - 1900's who were taught that these things are sinful, so a lot of the people in there for things like homosexuality are from those time periods. In turn, a lot of the never generations or people from around the time period of ancient Greece or the Roman Empire who are a part of the LGBTQ+/sex workers are in Heaven, simply because they didn't get taught those things or never believed them when people tried.

So, while he may be in Hell for homosexuality, it's not because God sees it as a bad thing. God doesn't really care who you're attracted to, since He loves all his children. Angel is in Hell for homosexuality because he, himself, saw it as a bad thing when he died. Due to the horrible treatment given to him once he was ratted out, he began thinking that there must be something wrong with him if he "deserved" such treatment for it.

In Hell, Anatoly has taken on his drag name, Angel Dust, due to preferring to dress in drag rather than casual clothes when he goes outside. He also much prefers to go by "she" while in drag, even though he identifies as a cis man, because he plays up a character while in drag. A lot of people tend to mistake him for a trans woman because of this, but he doesn't mind because it proves to him his drag is good.

Angel Dust is not in a contract with Val currently, but Val is actively trying to get him into one. He's been saying his club is a safe space for all LGBTQ+ folks, saying that the pornographic material is their way of showing off their pride. In actuality, it's Val's way of profiting off of the fear and insecurities of LGBTQ+ people he comes across. Angel Dust, however, hasn't accepted it because of his own idea that he's somehow massively flawed for being gay. He does hang out with Val, though, due to Val making a safe persona and hiding his true colors from Angel Dust. So, Angel Dust doesn't necessarily see any reason to fear or stay away from Valentino.

Angel Dust isn't into any hardcore drugs while in Hell, nor was he while in life. However, he does smoke papirosa cigarettes, which in the USSR smoking was condemned, even if it wasn't necessarily illegal during the 1940s. It's mostly due to his life in the USSR being extremely strict, which has affected his afterlife heavily. He has many internalized fears, which as he overcomes them may spiral into him getting into drugs and accepting Valentino's contract.

Angel Dust is also a communist. He's from the USSR, so it's basically a given. This has a huge effect on his relationships with others in the Hazbin Hotel. Even if Angel Dust did do illegal activities while he was alive, he wasn't immune to any propaganda that the USSR spread to its citizens. So, when he meets actively greedy or capitalistic guests and staff members, he is much more likely to have a distaste for them or their ideals. Due to this, Charlie and/or Rebecca are often trying to diffuse fights between Angel and other members of the hotel, especially Baxter, Alastor, or Husk.

Angel Dust's native tongue is Russian, and due to having never learned English in life and good English classes being hard to come across in Hell, his English is slightly broken at times. In fact, he used the drag name Angel Dust simply because it sounded cool to him, without knowing the fact it was slang for drugs. His thought process was that he knew what angel meant, and he had heard from friends that dusty or dust was sometimes used by English speakers to describe how powdered blush felt. He has a thick accent, as well, making some of the other members have a hard time understanding his words at times. The only one who actively tries to figure out ways to better communicate with him is Husk, even though Angel often fights with him. Since Husk was alive and fought in the British Army alongside some USSR soldiers, he already has a slight advantage over others in understanding Angel both in terms of his personality and literal speech. So, whilst they have their differences and Angel may dislike him, Husk is still actively trying to get along with him.

Angel's form in Hell is humanoid, with an appearance similar to that of his drag persona. However, while in life he'd wear a chest piece to create a bust, Angel now just naturally has one, much to his slight dismay. It's caused a slight sense of gender dysphoria whenever he's outside of drag and people mistake him for a woman, which is another reason why he wears drag often. It gives him a reason to believe that they're mistaken not for his chest, but for the rest of his drag persona's appearance. He has four eyes, two where a human's would be, and two smaller ones at the edge of his small eyebrows. Then, he has four spider legs at this hips, which he uses as a hoop skirt when he wears more extravagant dresses. He keeps his pale pink hair long, which feels less like hair and more like fur. He also tries to wear blush to give color to his pale skin.

Fun fact: I originally decided to make him half Italian and half Russian just to give the guests a bit more variety in culture. However, once I remembered that I was keeping his death date in the 1940s, I realized I accidentally dropped him smack dab into the USSR 😭. However, I kept it because the idea of living in a society that hates you for who you are impacting someone so heavily after death was something I had already been planning for someone else, and it makes sense for multiple characters to go through such a thing.

[sgiandubh]

No Liberace's smile

Warning: this will take forever to read. It didn't take forever to write or research, though. But since I will be gone tomorrow and back well, next Saturday, let it be done with a bang.

S the Actor. S the Entrepreneur. S the NYT (3x!) best-seller Writer. Coach S. S the Lover. S the Womanizer. S the Husband. S the Father.

Is something missing, in this deck of Happy Families?

S the (closeted) Gay, of course.

It doesn't really matter the man himself took the time to deny it loud and clear. Twice. This avatar, fueled by idiocy, hatred and ignorance, makes regularly the rounds, each and every time we dare to celebrate something, anything really. It serves three tribes and serves them well: the Congregation of Domestic Bliss (aka Taiters). The Data Lounge crowd. And the Disgruntled Harpies, who once were some of the most fervent Ginger Jesus worshippers, but whose hopes, dreams and trust wrecked on the shores of Quarantein Ha-wa-wee.

It is the proper of calumny to leave a pungent, persistent trail wherever it fumbles around. Calomniez, calomniez, il en restera toujours quelque chose, Beaumarchais once wrote. Calumny, calumny, something's gonna stick - in a very lazy, but dependable translation. This one is particularly vicious, because it sounds coherent: he trades in make-believe, lots of actors are, precedents exist. And my favorite: it explains everything (fun fact: it doesn't even start to cover the shitshow).

Four exhibits should put us out of this dumpster. Chronologically and comparatively:

Exhibit A: Rough Beginnings (2009)

This one is the most touted on Tumblr, by that horrible woman Queen Puff thought was the same person as Paul C. (and was probably wrong). In a nutshell, she was in London then, she often went to the theatre, she was in the know, fuck knows what else, but she has SOURCES, too: there is nothing straight about his bat.

I suppose this person must have watched Nicholas de Jongh's Plague Over England, a play essentially narrating a scandalous episode of John Gielgud's biography, with a heavy-handed focus on homophobia in Britain during the 50's.

He got naked on stage! He kissed a man! Oh, oh, oh... the rumor! the scandal! (insert domestic fire shrieks) My eyes! Quick, let's fetch the smelling salts! And chlorine! I need a good rinse!

You would imagine Sodom & Gomorrah Ltd on that stage, eh?

Tumblrettes United of the disgruntled sort, did your talkative friend ever show you this devastating Guardian chronicle, signed by their in-house critic, John M. Morrison on February 27th 2009 (https://www.theguardian.com/stage/theatreblog/2009/feb/26/de-jongh-plague-over-england) ?

Should I sign it or use a pistol flare? It wasn't exactly scandalous, the only thing is the text was really, really piss poor. S is only gracing the above picture, hovering over the article: no mention of him whatsoever. Unlike Somerset 2019, a most Unremarkable Performance.

And S himself was very interested to explore precisely this kind of progressive-ish acting, as he clearly writes in Waypoints. This sounds legit - this is business, baby:

Exhibit B: Know your Classics, bi@ tches (2010)

*channeling Tears for Fears* Data Lounge, I am talking to you/[something, something]/These are the things I could do without...

Aside the already very, very tired stock stories purporting that "my dog's aunt knew Heughan and yeah, he was so, so, so gay I could cry", all you have (I checked!) is 1 (one) absolutely dubious BTS pic taken on the set of that terrible dud, Young Alexander, shot in Egypt, circa 2010. Prominently featuring S's waxed calves (see? gay AF!), an unbecoming, supremely effeminate white tunic and *gasp* a bong (no comments were made on that one, a pity). Yeah, you got it: I am writing and I am laughing at the same time. Freak.

How the hell do you want him to look but, pardon my French, queer as a three-dollar bill? You clearly have no idea about sexual ambiguity as social norm in Ancient Greece and also no clue about that fascinating Alexander himself, his life and his yeah, blatant, documented bisexuality.

Take one of the most interesting sources (yeah, only serious ones, with FACTS) of the Late Antiquity, a guy named Athenaeus of Naucratis. He left us The Banquet of the Learned, a fifteen-volume encyclopedic compilation on the pleasures of eating and drinking and doing it in style, along with some juicy gossip. For example, this (open in separate tab, it's worth it):

What do we read? Alexander's mom, dad and tutor (Aristotle, my favorite Greek philosopher, along with Diogenes) are worried he finally might not really be into women, after all. The future of the Macedonian Kingdom itself is at stake (that watery semen made me choke on my Coke) and this is a very serious affair of the state. The most cost-effective and discreet solution is to handsomely pay that Callixeina courtesan from (famous for pin-ups) Thessaly and be done with it.

Apparently, it worked, not without some resistance. If you ever have the curiosity to go on that (in)famous Wikipedia, you will find a whole page dedicated to Alexander the Great's personal life. It reads exactly like the ABC, do-re-mi summer soccer mercato, feat. the Fitness Harem. One of the major joys of Classical studies is to realize we really didn't invent anything new.

But I digress again, so onwards to ...

Exhibit C: Jobbing Actor on the Road, nothing straight about his Bat (2011-2013)

Once the Batman show is on world tour, things are looking a bit better and it is time to try and lockpick America. Still, the struggle is real:

Also, this:

This is something no one noticed. And this is very clear: how on Earth do you expect to commit to a relationship, any relationship, when your basic needs, according to Maslow's Pyramid (a roof, a job, a steady paycheck, etc), are not satisfied? What would you offer your woman? Your precarity? Your insecurity? Your fear and shame of the bailiffs? A pint of cheap Polish beer? A futon in Golders Green?

But let's conveniently not answer these questions. Let's pretend that poverty has no impact on one's sexual life or dating history. Let's just endlessly cackle and blather on a drunk tweet stating candidly - and perfectly truly - "there's nothing straight about my Bat". I hate to quote myself - for any good speaker, this is a defeat- but, LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE OF MORDOR:

Exhibit D: A French example - the case of Michel Serrault

The 1979 comedy La Cage aux Folles, later adapted for the US public under the name of Birds of a Feather (that Robin Williams/Nathan Lane forgettable gay movie) is absolutely representative for the live and let live French approach to homosexuality, ever since it was decriminalized by the revolutionary Penal Code of 1791. This is why I chose Michel Serrault, one of its two leads, to illustrate my Gay Anon post. Not to mention Serrault was a genius who could play absolutely anyone, from a retired hitman in Matthieu Kassowitz' Assassin(s) to Zaza Napoli.

This balding, ageing, cantankerous drag queen (sound is horrific, but you've got English subtitles - granted, you lose about 30% of the hysterical hilarity in translation, but it is what it is), as seen here in a domestic scene opposite her partner, played by notorious womanizer Ugo Tognazzi:

By the limp standards of Mordor, Serrault must have been a French LGBTQ+ institution, given his stellar, flawless acting, isn't it?

Incorrect, dolls. In his real, personal life Serrault was a devout Catholic, an exemplary father of two and a one-woman man. His wife, Nita Serrault, whom he met in drama school and never looked back.

It almost sounds like... but no, this cannot be..

The hard, gruesome life of shippers.

[rosettasgraveyard]

YOU GET TWO SHITTY DOODLES. VOTE FOR HIMMM

SPARKSSWEEP

[sleepnowmychild]

Hello! What “genuine trouble” do you mean regarding being a Hellenic Polytheist in Italy? Currently, Italy is a secular state with freedom of religion by law. Am I missing something? :0

It’s more of the fact Italy is mostly very very catholic/Christian. While in Greece you can genuinely be arrested because it’s counted as witchcraft which is illegal over there. In Italy you’d likely get the ‘repent or go to hell’ speech over and over from people, you’d be pretty socially outcast or worst case scenario straight up disowned if your family is super devoutly chaotic/Christian. Italy had separation of church and state (which only happened in the 80s, so still recent in the grand scheme of things), Greece doesn’t. So Italy couldn’t really do anything legally, but you can definitely get discriminated against.

Which is kinda interesting, because Italy has a very long history of witchcraft and plenty of Christian/Catholics over there use elements of witchcraft in their worship. But as soon as it’s not a biblical religion suddenly it’s a bad thing. ‘There just made up stories’ or ‘we know the truth now, the ancients only believed that because they didn’t know any better’ etc.

From what I know from my Italian side of the family (who are probably a bit biased because they’re Christians), reactions to witchcraft/polytheism will depend on the area of Italy. Some are more open to it than others. But since the majority of the population are Catholic/Christian you’ll definitely at the very least get a side eye and at most completely outcasted from the community around you. I say that I personally could get in some deep shit because my family in particular are major ‘Jesus saves, witchcraft bad, gays bad’ etc (they somehow don’t know I’m trans even though I’ve been on T for almost 2 years lol).

I find the contrast and overlaps between Italy and Greece pretty interesting actually, since they historically had the same religion and cultures that borrowed a lot from each other. Yet there’s certain aspects they just hardcore disagree on.

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Kacia age: 4324 years old role: trama holder/ gatekeeper Personality: from ancient Greece she is a follower of Hades and deemed a 'Hades kid' in Percy Jackson words she is mostly serious and taken a mother role in the system for Klee. Mom jokes for days. platypus obsessed

Estrellita age:5 role: little Personality: sassy yet dumb and funny. can and will throw hands with someone 5x their height and body weight. if not energized she tired eepy and sensitive

Sans age: 39 role: protector/ trauma holder/introject (Undertale) personality: lazy but strong and pun master. can and will rock kids' shit. other sans alters and aus include: ink error geno fell flower-fell Swap Dream Killer Nightmare Dust Fellswap and the littles: Bitty Au versions

Hu Tao age:15 role: trama holder/introject (Genshin Impact) personality: brash playful and friendly. jokester

Maomao age: 17 role:trama holder/introject (Apothecary Diaries) Personality: calm and apathetic but sometimes ruthless when her rules aren't followed. gets excited when talking about poisons

Ticci Toby age: 17 role: trauma holder/persecutor/introject (Creepypasta) personality: usually upbeat and hyperactive but very sarcastic and temperamental. jerkish and annoying.

Zagreus age: also centuries years old role:trauma-holer/introject (Hades) personality: sassy lil boy that is dating the grim reaper aka Thanatos

SCP-999 age: idk its a little orange blob role:little/introject (SCP) personality: living anti depressant that loves sweets and will seek out sad people to cheer up Haku age: 21 role:trauma holder/protector personality: quiet and mostly speaks about business but likes casual conversations about scps she's friends with

SCP-049 age:real fucking old again role: introject (SCP) personality: wants to cure the Pestilence and keeps the body from germs. thinks that body is free from the Pestilence if hes in her mind and likes to learn new thing

Jack Frost age: 16 but actually really old role: introject (Rise of The Guardians) personality: a laidback prankster that likes chilling with kids and making them laugh and have fun

Amity Blight age: 14 role: trauma holder/introject(The Owl House) personality: perfectionist little gay that likes to get good grades and making the people she loves proud

Toph Beifong age:16 role: protector/introject(ATLA) personality: a headstrong bunt character that lis a bit smug yet loyal to friends.

Klee age: 8 role: little/introject (Genshin Impact) Personality: troublemaker and refuses to sit still. naive and a bit ditsy.

Riddle Rosehearts age: 17 Role: Protector/self helper/introject (Twisted Wonderland) Personality: stubborn, rule stickler, sheltered boy, anger issues, healing

Angel Dust age: 37 Role: trauma holder/ prosecutor/ introject (Hazbin Hotel) Personality: can and will go back to people who harms them usually expects harm. this version of AD does not like to be called Anthony.

Alastor age: 40 Role: prosecutor/introject (Hazbin Hotel) Personality: manipulative and catty does not like the internet so he often doesn't speak in here if he does it's Riddle typing it out for him

Lucifer Morningstar age: reallll old but still younger than Kacia. Role: trama holder/introject (Hazbin Hotel) personality: duck obsessed socially awkward king of hell.

Stolas age: 36 Role: Protector/introject (Helluva Boss) Personality: flirtatious but romanticly awkward and dad figure for Klee

Macaque age: also a couple centuries-old holy cow- Role: protector/introject (lego Monkey Kid) Personality: sassy and only a hint of manipulation can and will deck kids in the face. the just freed from prison uncle (literally happened in the show)

Zuko age: 16 Role:Trauma holder/introject (Avatar the last air bender) Personality: awkward turtle duck that is healing and slight tiny hint of anger issues

Sir Pentious age: 45 role:introject (Hazbin Hotel) Personality: awkward but passionate and will cry for his little egg bois

TommyInnit age:17 role:introject (Twitch) personality: loud aggressive and cocky but means well

Technoblade age:23 role: trauma holder/introject (DSMP) personality: blunt quiet and some humor but has not been talking since sources death if he does talk alert Kacia, its a monumental moment

Tamaki Suoh Age: 17 role: introject (ouran high school host club) Personality: cocky loud and flirtatious when left unchecked if you are uncomfortable with his flirting when hes out alert Kacia

Hobbert "Hobie" Brown age:20 Role: trauma holder/ introject (Spiderman into the Spider-verse) Personality: chill anarchist who doesn't belive in teams. doesn't belive in consistency.

Adam age: real old again Role: prosecutor/ introject (Hazbin Hotel) Personality: womanizer flirt crude and annoying

Serial Designation V Age:idk 16 or smth in the teens Role:introject (Murder Drones) Personality: originally manic and insane with a blood (oil?) thirst but now a kindish self-sacrificial friend loving bot who will attack threats.

Esme age: 5 role: little Personality: quiet and meek but likes to talk about flowers

Shadow the Hedgehog age:50 but physically 20 role: Introject(Sonic)/former prosecutor personality: chill bit of edge lord but protective of littles and women in general, he drinks respect women juice by the gallon. "Hip with the kids" and people actually like him-

Asaki Age: 24 Role: Protector Personality: Loud and competitive. Irritable and the child of Zagreus and Thanatos. Can be quiet when she wants to.

Thanatos Age: FUCKING OLD Role: introject (Hades) Personality: Quiet loverboy who loves Zagreus (maybe a little too much ykyk?)

Bill Cypher Age: OLD AGAIN Role: Proscutor/Introject (Gravity Falls) Personality: Manipulative little fuck that will drive the host insane with despair. Proceed him with caution.

Dr. Doofenshmirtz Age: 47 Role: Introject (Phineas and Ferb) Personality: a dreamer of great height yet also dense but has a good heart behind his "evil plans"

Sun Wukong/Monkey King Age: old ass manRole: Protector/Introject (Lego Monkie Kid)Personality:Arrogant egotistical smug but protective and lazy at the same time

The St. Cassian High School Choir (Ride The Cyclone):

Ocean O’Connell Rosenberg Role: Introject Personality: a perfectionist over-achiever

Noel Gruber: Role: Introject A dreamer gay boy who wants to be a cold-hearted worker.

Mischa Bachinski Role: Introject Personality: A seemingly angry boy who spews profanity and likes to rap but in actuality he is a lover boy who is devoted to his fiance in Ukraine

Ricky Potts Role: Introject Personality: A soft-spoken boy who is very imaginative and is a cat lover.

Jane Doe/Penny Lamb Role: Trauma holder/Introject Personality: She is kind of like a child learning things for the first time and is soft-spoken, with no memory of who she was before the accident and headspace.

Constance Blackwood Role: Introject Personality: Just a bit self-conscious but can be a bit self-assured with bursts of confidence.

Beetle Juice Age: OLD ASS MAN AGAIN- Personality: this man is just alex brightman bro wtf- playful and jokeser that has a soft spot for kids

Frisk Age:8 Role: little/introject (Undertale) Personality: mute shy no gender child that likes to explore

Nimona Age: a couple thousand years old but physically 15-16 Role: Trama holder/Introject (Nimona Movie) Personality: Passionate loud and protective with a liking for chaos. Never, ever, call her a monster.

[olderthannetfic]

I went down a rabbit hole on penis subincision, which lead to an edu article on sexual behavior in indigenous Hawaiian populations. (By Milton Diamond if you feel an urge to google). The article talked about how it was normal and even encouraged in a lot of these cultures for young people to engage in homosexual acts for the purpose exploring each other and simply having fun. This, in turn, reminded me of an assertion that Mark Thompson made in his book, Gay Spirit: Myth and Meaning...

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....I’m not sure if you’ve read Thompson’s work but you posted passages from his book a while back. He compares the rejection a fixed gender identity and the phenomenon of "changing" to the archetypal definition of being a shaman, which is kind of fine. But then he goes on to claim that Diné (Navajo) people had a cross-dressing shamanic priesthood of gay people (the nadle) until white colonialism destroyed the tradition. Which, frankly, was a claim that I initially dismissed as...

…a gay white dude making things up until this whole subincision thing made me go look into it more closely. There are in fact many detailed articles on this. (They’re called Nádleehi, not nadle in these papers). So what I want to ask is if anyone knows exactly how common it was for LGBT+ to be accepted in non-colonial populations. Because I was under the impression that the consistent natural reaction to queerness in almost every human culture is to eradicate it.

Nonnie... WHUT?

YES, oh my god, a ton of cultures were okay with some form of something we would today see as queer.

YES, colonialism routinely wiped this out or at least tried to, and many of the places doing the colonizing also stamped out their own ancient traditions.

I don't recall that particular book or quoting it, but I post a lot.

It's not as clear-cut as total acceptance or acceptance of all forms of queerness. A common format is some kind of third gender role for nonconforming or trans or intersex people, often a combination of what we'd see today in the West as femme gay men and heterosexual trans women. Sometimes, this third gender had a specific social role, like shaman or entertainer. The modern split between gender identity and sexual orientation is not really how people saw it in a lot of past cultures (or, hell, in plenty of modern ones outside of the mainstream Western world).

When I was 14, I was fucking obsessed with this academic book of compiled journal articles called Third Sex, Third Gender: Beyond Sexual Dimorphism in Culture and History.

In terms of binary m/m interactions... uh... Ancient Greece is right there. Did you... miss that?

Historically, Japan was all about it being manly to fuck dudes because they didn't have girl cooties until the Meiji Restoration. Similarly to Ancient Greece, it was unmanly to take it up the ass as a grown man, but that's different from m/m sex in general being a problem. As with many societies outside of the mainstream West post... like... mid 19thC, m/m sex was seen as something you did, not something you were.

Medieval Europe would have kicked your ass for "sodomy", including oral with your spouse, which also falls under that term in that period, but they still wouldn't have thought a man was "gay" for fucking men. They'd have thought he was falling prey to a common sin that any man could potentially be tempted into. Sexual orientation is pretty much not a thing until after we get psychology as a science.

China got more homophobic over the dynasties. There was a time that the emperor's boyfriends were in the fucking history books along with his baby mamas. That's where we get the term "cut sleeve" from.

We don't tend to know what f/f stuff was going on in most times and places because most of the written record is men writing about their dicks.

Modern Thailand has all kinds of interesting things going on, and that whole region of SE Asia has had at points, though the more colonialism, the more local shit got suppressed. I can't speak to the total accuracy, but here's a wikipedia article on gender identities in Thailand.

Tibetan monasteries had abbots openly promoting their boyfriends. As long as you were doing it between the thighs and not touching icky girls, it was fine.

American Indian cultures are well known to have had fucktons of priesthoods/shamans of that type. It wasn't every group. Some were more prone to punishing gender nonconformity. AFAIK, a specific variant role for AMABs is more common than just letting people do whatever. In some, you could become a shaman, but they also tended to scapegoat the shamans in times of crisis. I'm no expert. I'd look up what modern two-spirit people have to say about their cultural traditions along with journal articles. The historical record is fragmentary and full of missionaries' unhelpful opinions.

Humans do often punish difference, but tons of cultures didn't see m/m sex or some specific form of third gender as anomalous. A ton probably didn't care about f/f sex, though it's harder to tell.

Gender conformity is often enforced... but why on earth would you assume most cultures only have 2 and that they map exactly onto our modern ideas of gender?

Seriously, nonnie, where have you been?

[sneezemonster15]

Why do like 90% of males think male homosexuality is disgusting? I read somewhere that they think it's as gross as rotten flesh 😭 also why do they laugh at it and make jokes about it too like they can't take it seriously? They're so insufferable, I see this so often. Not that I care about their opinions but they're the same kinda guys who gave yaoi loving girls the name fujoshi meaning "rotten girl" because that's how disgusting they thought they were. Freaks. It wasn't like this in ancient Greece, was it? What changed? Now they're more annoying. Before they were only misogynists and not homophobic but now they're both :/

Hah. This is one of the ramifications of the well entrenched patriarchal system in the midst of which, we live and operate. It has always been like this. Didn't happen overnight. It's intricate and quite a bit of it is invisibilised and the rest is normalised. It's better in some places, worse in others. But it's everywhere barring pockets of tribes which are matrilineal, which seem almost inconsequential in the larger picture of things.

Within the patriarchal set up, men also are conditioned to potentially satisfy certain expectations, whether it be of a provider or a leader, decision-maker. They are taught that certain things are acceptable where others are taboo. A heteronormative society, whether it be a man or a woman, would glorify or normalise heterosexuality and denigrate anything that comes into opposition with it. Heteronormativity is the narrative they grew up with, that's how they were conditioned. They were inspired by or impacted by their parents, neighbours, teachers, members of their peer group, also heteronormative, who reinforced these narratives and with time, they became a line that is not to be crossed. Taboo.

These dudebros online are just insecure little boys. That and very dumb. Naruto is shounen battle manga and most men/boys take it for granted that it's targeted at them (because it is) and they do end up enjoying it. When you have got super straight and super popular shounen MCs such as Luffy or Goku, it just reinforces the notion that Naruto also will be the same way. And Naruto the story does have all the nuts and bolts of a typical shounen manga, even if it also has a lot of other stuff that is a bit more subtle. A lot of dudebros really relate with Naruto and proudly. A lot of them incelish. Imagine how they would react to the fact that Naruto is gay. Lol. It really troubles their sense of masculine identity to think Naruto could be gay, that's why so many of them would get so bothered whenever Naruto would get super focussed on Sasuke. Lol. And so many of them think that Naruto was wrong to 'let Sasuke free' at the end. According to them, it was unpatriotic. Because that's what they think this story is about. Lol.

Like I said, most Naruto fans are way too attached to their lens. It's emotional for dudebros too. And you can't really argue with an emotionally affected illogical bigot. That's just too many odds against reason lol. They also think Itachi is hell's bells. Itachi is a Sigma male for them. I bet you can find many dudes who fangirl over both Itachi and Andrew Tate. Hahaha.

They are both misogynistic and homophobic, they have always been. Misogyny kinda goes hand in hand with homophobia with these men. Anything that threatens their narrative about men, women and their heteronormative m/f dynamic, will trigger this juvenile, bigoted behaviour in them. And their sense of entitlement as men makes them think they can get away with it. They do get away with a lot of times because reasonable fans usually don't invest in them, considering it a waste of time.

When I was in school, I had a few male members in my group. Three of these boys were very close. Straight boys. But you know, they were growing up, their hormones were welling up. One time, after graduating from school, we were drinking and one of these inebriated boys told me this. In school, after the sports period, they would take a shower together and sometimes, they would jerk each other off. Straight boys. They were curious and their sense of sexuality was not consciously set in stone. They didn't think of it as an overtly sexual act, for them, it was just boys having fun. They would get bored of jerking off themselves so someone else's hand did the trick for them. Another boy. A very good friend. When my friend later told me about it, he was aware how sexual an activity it was. He had realized that it was 'controversial', it was 'gay' and he felt guilty about it. He felt shame. So did the others, so they made a pact to never talk about it.

Kids often indulge in sexual acts while not being consciously aware about its nature. They are discovering their sexuality, their newly minted desire, their changing bodies, the unsettling surge of sex hormones. It's understandable. A lot of kids unconsciously experiment with overt or not so overt sexual acts without being consciously aware of what it implies. Which is understandable. I have heard such accounts from many men. They would never share it with another man though. Their sense of male masculine pride would shatter. Doesn't help that more often than not, there's no one to talk to them about it. Most parents don't, especially in conservative societies. No one to tell them what's right, what's acceptable, what's certainly not. Sex is still a very taboo subject among a lot of societies. Even reproductive sex, and not just recreational sex.

If someone had reassured those boys at the time, if someone had talked to them about it in a balanced way, perhaps their sense of sex and homosexuality/sexual orientation would be more mature, less prejudiced, more inclusive. Don't look at me, I was also quite young, I had not started delivering sermons and lectures yet haha. I did laugh my ass off when he told me though. It was not helpful at all. Hahahaha. You should have seen his face.

It's sad how so many grown and mature men still feel icky about homosexuality. I have seen so many of them who wouldn't be overtly homophobic but they would still show it in some way or the other. One time, i was working on a project where one of the team members was openly and flamboyantly gay, and my very 'liberal', foreign educated, upper middle class male boss hired him on an urgent basis and then appointed me to supervise him. One time, I needed some approvals so I told the boss to talk to him directly. He said no. He acted like it creeped him out, made him uncomfortable. For the rest of the project, I had to act as the liaison, which was fine for me, we became good friends. But it was pretty clear how 'open minded' my boss really was and how entitled he felt to be wearing the mantle of 'liberalism'. He was also a misogynist under the garb of feminism. Another member of the team, a woman, was fired by him. Now she was definitely to blame for her otherwise unprofessional behaviour, but one of her concerns about mistreatment by one of her own assistants (male) should have been addressed with respect. It wasn't. Instead, she was made fun of by the boss. He simply bypassed her complaint about harassment by her male assistant.

My boss would also make fun of the gay man behind his back because of his 'body language' and 'feminine' disposition. He would do it subtly, like it was just harmless ribbing, just a joke. But of course it wasn't. It was more than microaggression. It was disrespectful and very homophobic. I have seen so many men act like this, and it's crazy how so many men never talk amongst themselves about it. In my circles, they would tell me because I am not too judgmental, because I am a woman and because I am not conventionally 'feminine' in opposition to their conventional 'masculinity', which always seemed to reassure them. They thought of me as just one of the guys. I am not. I often found it funny but also quite sad.

So many of these men would open up only after getting sloshed. Their inhibitions would only be relieved when under the influence. Imagine all the energy spent on towing this line, the way both men and women are conditioned how to be.

A five minute shallow interaction online isn't going to do the trick. These men need to be rehabilitated. Their notions about sex and sexuality with respect to the world in all its inherent diversity need to be reexamined and changed where needed. It's difficult to feel sympathy for such men, yes. Some of them. But I am sure they will not be receptive to aggression, they have a degree in aggression themselves. You need to find their emotional Achilles heel, a chink in their armor, to find an in. It's honestly quite easy to crack most men. If you wanna break them, hit where it hurts most, their ego. If you wanna gain their trust, play up to their ego.

Why call them freaks? Lots of women also act like them. It's quite easy to see why they act like it too. We all come with our notions. We all have certain narratives we have grown up with. Certain hardlines we aren't supposed to cross. Certain socio politico cultural structures that reinforce these narratives that form the foundation of our lived experiences from babyhood that most people don't question, whether it be men or women. Our society was not built to be conducive to questions or challenges. It was built to repress them and eventually squash them. So obviously, we aren't able to reach an understanding about something that needs empathy and an open mind, that could really benefit with a balanced dialogue. Especially something that needs us to relook at our belief systems/established narratives. Such as feminism, homosexuality. What we don't understand, we hate or fear or revile.

One would really need to hunker down and have a proper dialogue, if you really want to change these narratives. It would take time and effort and lots of patience. You would need to invest. Build a new narrative. Look at all the ingredients that make up these narratives and start at the root. Change them one at a time. Unless that is done, one cannot convince them of Naruto and Sasuke being gay and it being a gay love story.

[nokingsonlyfooles]

Brigitte Empire! A writer for the Daily Telegraph and prospective British ex-pat who could use your clicks and attention - and money, if you can afford it! Today, she's unpacking a little of the British Empire's colonial legacy.

And while I have your attention, would you like to talk about why mere gayness is seen as such a threat to colonial power structures?

You exist on Tumblr, you've seen this:

...or maybe this version:

Gayness has been criminalized for so long it's gone memetic, and it's a badge of honour. Alright, you're gonna make my very existence illegal, I'm gonna do whatever I want. Thanks, homophobes!

But if we rewind to Ancient Greece and Rome - some of the original, big-time conquerors of the world - two dudes banging was part of the accepted social structure and no threat. Indeed, if you watch through Brigitte up there, quite a few of those tribal societies grant men or masculine people quite a lot of gender fluidity and sexual freedom. "Male privilege" includes self-determination, even when that extends to kicking traditional masculine ideals to the curb.

At the same time, women and feminine people tend to be ignored and erased, unless they're masculine enough to be parsed as men (that's a compliment!). History is written by the victors, the colonizers, and all of them were patriarchal as hell. Why it shook out that way is fodder for endless speculation - and politicization, depending on whether you prefer to glorify the male penetrative impulse, demonize it, or deconstruct it - but it obviously did and we've been living with the consequences for centuries. As it stands, the queer landscape available for colonial exploitation is incredibly diverse, but the perceived-male aspects of it (including, nonsensically, transwomen) get more play and more flack.

To get out there and start inflicting your diseased culture on everyone else - even if it kills them - you need truly toxic level of self-confidence.

"Cancer? What're you talking about? That's just ME!"

"And, believe me, it's an improvement. Because I'm fuckin' AWESOME! Ego, the Living Planet, will ALWAYS serve you your Blizzard upside down!"

If you think you have the right to yeet other cultures right out of existence and replace them with your own, your culture - alone - must be the best one. If the others have anything worth keeping, you'll add their uniqueness to your own...

Boy, do we like colonizer villains! Kinda scared someone's gonna roll up and feed us our own medicine, aren't we?

...but most of that stuff can go. It's not that you're behaving like cancer cells, it's more like... Pesticide! You want to be Monsanto, and inflict your specific flavour of mutant grass worldwide. Everyone needs to be eating the good stuff. It will save lives. So you need everyone to understand that the ecosystems you're wiping out to plant it are not worth having.

What's that? A "rain forest"? Who needs it?!

The easiest way to do that is to send some explorers and have them explain that the people already living in your desired colony are doing things differently, and wrong, and they need your help. They are morally-degenerate, we are morally-upright, and we can fix them!

And this is, unfortunately, still where all the old colonizers are coming from in trying to reign in the worst damages done to their former colonies, only these days the colonies aren't having it.

Gee, I wonder why.

Back in the golden age, tribal warfare, slavery, the abuses of preexisting empires, and a lack of super cool technology were all easy justifications. You didn't necessarily have to fix them, you just had to say you were, and that was cover for whatever else you wanted to do, including more warfare, slavery, abuse and theft. Gayness in and of itself wasn't a big deal to ancient Greeks and Romans, but they still held themselves much more civilized than the disorganized gayness they found in the Celtic tribes on those savage islands across the channel.

Those savage islands did not stop being gay and disorganized, even at the height of their colonial expansion, when such behaviour was officially punishable by imprisonment and death. Yet, Shaka Zulu didn't send a telegram after hearing about the Cleveland Street Scandal and say, "Hey, Victoria? Shame about that homosexual menace corrupting your whole government. Tell ya what, I'll be over with all my troops on the next boat, and we'll 'save' you from yourselves, all right? No-no, no need to thank me. Just returning the favour. Ha-ha. Cheers!"

Gayness has been here a long time, it's not going away, and empires have rolled along just fine while being variously gay AF. They normalize it, they ignore it, and they cover it up, as needed. Above a certain social standing, you can do whatever you want and we'll bend over backwards to forgive it. That's still how it is today, or else Prince Andrew and all of Epstein's powerful friends would be rotting in jail instead of going on about their influential lives. Colonial power structures don't really care about two similar sets of genitals banging together, or any kind of sexual deviancy at all. What they cannot abide is people refusing to stay in their place.

Queen Victoria wouldn't stand for a cadre of Zulu warriors occupying London no matter how gay it was, because white people (except the Irish) are inherently superior and deserve to rule the world. And we've developed many scientific theories based on things like skull shape and melanin production that prove it! SO THERE!

Science is NOT political. You can't politicize this stuff, IT IS SCIENCE!

Criminalizing homosexuality and gender fluidity all comes down to one thing: visible minorities are the easiest to marginalize, and marginalized people are the easiest to exploit. If you are below a certain social standing, it behooves your betters to hit you with as many labels as possible that indicate you belong there. Ideally, you will stop looking like a person deserving of human rights, and start to resemble a problem that needs a solution. Not necessarily a final solution, but that is on the table for those of you who aren't willing to settle down and be managed.

Let's go back to the pesticide metaphor. Say you're Monsanto, and you want the world to be covered in your corn. You know what would really help you rip up a variety of diverse ecosystems? An evil plant.

(I'm gay. I'm crime.)

Ideally, something hardy, ubiquitous, recognizable, and just common enough that you're liable to find one or two in any field, growing wild and free. Then, wherever you want to grow your corn, you just have to look for the plant.

THERE IT IS! GET 'EM!

And if someone should happen to see some evil plants growing amidst your awesome corn...

(I'm gay, but British aristocracy. I'm not crime!)

Nuh-uh, no you didn't.

(This one got pulled up and thrown away because it wouldn't shut up, and it was pointing out more evil plants.)

And if, in the future, you wanted to keep burning ecosystems down with impunity, you could always take back all you said about the plant being evil, call it "oppressed" instead, and make another pass with the flamethrower to "save" it. You know, if any of your bridges are intact after a thousand years of flames, and you're still desperate to rule the world, you could try.

It's not working very well, but some of the people living in these damaged ecosystems have internalized the fact that the plants are evil (and a criminal underclass is useful), and the continued use of flamethrowers is not working out so hot either.

Ultimately, queerness was criminalized as a convenient excuse. While it worked, the colonizers overplayed their hands so badly that they no longer have the authority to de-criminalize it. It's not a real threat. It's not logical, it's not disprovable (you can't prove a negative), and it will persist as long as it's convenient to have an underclass to exploit. With capitalism calling the shots, I have no idea how we're going to fix this.

But you already have some great advice to follow if your very existence is a crime.

[like and reblog if you want more like this, I am paying attention!]

[krickets-chirping]

DA:A Honest Review

Ok so, imma rant cause this is tumblr— home to screaming into the void.

Dragon Age Absolution isn't as good as everyone thinks it is.

Before you hate me lemme ask: Can you show this show to someone who has never even heard of dragon age Exactly.

That's not all.

So like I mentioned, DA:A is confusing as hell to anyone who hasn't played or read anything in the Dragon Age universe. As someone who is in the publishing industry and has tons of family in said industry, it's like a fanfiction made into an animated series. For a fanfiction this show would be... okay...? But the quality is definitely not for an offical Netflix show.

My biggest issue with the show is the coloration of the characters. Not with the main cast but with the Tevinter nobility. Is someone going to tell me that everyone with hatred towards the elven slaves is white?? When the Fandom knows damn well that Tevinter is a place based on fhe middle east and ancient Greece/Rome. All the nobility, Templars, and Mages within Absolution that aren't slaves are white whereas the all slaves are mixed!

I understand making POC characters own slaves is something people are nervous about, but Dragon Age is a world that is not discriminatory of color. But rather the race of a character.

Next, the main cast.

Everyone has already heard the complaint that Mirium is too simular to Fenris. To that I both agree and disagree.

I'll be honest the main cast is so incredibly boring they made them interesting. I can't even remember the names of the cast apart from Mirium and Qiddy.

Because the series is so short, you don't get to know the characters apart from: Former slave retribution and her mage gf, gay dwarf who is mad at former slave for??? Reasons????, the Frenchman, and the comedic qunari.

Lightening round now.

1) There is no true character development.

2) Animation is a shitty rip-off of Critical Role's Amazon Prime special.

3) The general vibe this was a HS DND campaign

And lastly,

4) The villain loosing all interesting themes of breaking the cycle and wanting to end slavery but in a dark way (AKA with blood magic) to loosing all his character to be "big bad slaver."

I remember saying a while ago not to dog on the newer writers coming in cause the older ones were leaving, but if DA:A is any warning, I'm terrified that DA:DD is going to be total nug shit horrible. Patrick Weekes has his work cut out for him.

Alright I'm done. Someone take my soap box.

[i-spilled-my-soup]

im realingzing gay representation in media? anything from ancient greece. literally anything. what the hell this is like long lost ancestor of inbred boyfriends webtoon

[foundfamilynonsense]

OKAY! Rant about Achilles and Patroclus

So! I am the type of person (aroace) who’s like “people ship things too much” and “if I hear they can’t be friends they’re too close I’m going to kill people” etc and Achilles and Patroclus is legit the ONLY ship I feel strongly about.

Bc like. I’ve read the Iliad. Cover to cover every word multiple times. It never expressly says they are in a relationship.

Now!! There are other epic poems written around the same time about the iliad that does have them as expressly in a relationship and having sex. But in the original tale and in Homer’s epic, they are not.

But!!!! I talk to my sister in law about Achilles and Patroclus being in love in this game I’m playing and my dad (the history teacher) is like “yeah but really they were cousins” and it. It bugged me more than anything ever has. So. Let me do a little run down. K?

For one: yes, Achilles and Patroclus were cousins! Fun fact! Im not sure what the correct term for it is but I believe they were first cousins once removed. Which sounds closer than it is: Zeus slept with this girl Ægina and had Aeacus who had peleus who had Achilles. This girl Ægina later got married to this mortal named Actor (yeah that was his name) and had Menoetius who had Patroclus. So…. Achilles’s great-grandmother was patroclus’s grandmother. But considering that this was Ancient Greece and also they’re only related through a woman it… really doesn’t matter much.

Now. Let’s talk about the ways in which it is possible Achilles and Patroclus were in a romantic relationship.

For one. No one gave a shit about first cousins once removed back then. Ok. Whatever. In Greek minds back then that did not count as related. Achilles never refers to Patroclus as his kin in the Iliad.

Two: there is an instance in the Iliad where Achilles is shown to be attracted to men. Agamemnon offers Achilles a shit ton of stuff when he is trying to get him back in the battle. He offers Achilles his daughter. Then, in the same breath, he offers Achilles his son. So. Why is he offering Achilles his son? Since he doesn’t differentiate, we can assume it is for the same reason he’s offering his daughter. So if you’re so so sure it’s not sexual, then please come up with a reason achilles would want his daughter that isn’t sexual too please.

Now. History-wise, the ancient Greeks were really chill about the gay thing. Every single god, except I think Hera, is gay. And Hera is only exempt bc she was the perfect wife who never cheated ever no sir no ma’am. Anyway, Apollo had as many male lovers as female. Artemis did not feel romantic attraction (hell yeah). Zeus made his male lover Ganymede immortal to be the god’s cup bearer.

Now. Sleeping with a guy was not considered the same as sleeping with a woman who could be your wife. A lot of high born men had male lovers. However, if you were high ranking, it was expected you’d be the top.

So we have Achilles, a prince, and his trusty companion Patroclus. Patroclus was highborn, but he killed a boy when he was very young and got stripped of his title. Since princes don’t usually screw around with peasants, but needed to be the top and the higher ranking guy in the couple, Patroclus was legit the perfect male lover for Achilles. So. There is no reason why Achilles and Patroclus were not sexually and romantically involved.

Now. The Iliad has a big thing about epithets. Which, basically, are a short one/two word description put before a character’s name. So like “swift-footed achilles” and “strong Agamemnon” and whatever. Almost all the guys in the Iliad have epithets referring to either battle or which god likes them most. The three used for Patroclus are “dear to Zeus” (normal for guys) “great-hearted” (a bit odd…) and “gentle” (which is literally only used of Patroclus). These are not the epithets of a manly heterosexual man. These are the epithets of a man who is being feminized. Why? Most likely bc men who sleep with high born men need to be seen as more feminine to protect the high born man’s honor. Of course I can’t prove that. Bc in the Iliad it never out right says they were sleeping together.

What I’m trying to say here, is that while the text never explicitly states Achilles and Patroclus had a sexual relationship, based on the time period, I assume those listening to the iliad back then would have no doubts.

Now, there’s some other stuff. Like how Alexander the Great wrote fan fiction where Achilles was the bottom. The “canon divergent” part not necessarily being them being gay, but Achilles being a bottom.

And then. Y’know. When Patroclus died Achilles refused to eat or sleep. He forgot all about dishonor. He asked for his own ashes to be spread in the same urn as Patroclus so they’d be together in the afterlife.

Also I’d like to point out that the Iliad does not start with the beginning of the war, but starts with Agamemnon begging Achilles to come back to the fight after being dishonored (setting up Patroclus feeling bad and begging Achilles to help them) and does not end with the Trojan horse (or even with Achilles dying!) but with Patroclus coming to him as a ghost begging him to let hector have a proper burial and achilles giving hector’s body back to his father. (Also before he leaves Achilles is like “let’s embrace one last time!” So like. do with that what you will). What does this show? The Iliad is not about the war. The Iliad is about Achilles and Patroclus’s relationship. It’s starts “sing, goddess, the rage of Peleus’s son Achilles.” This is a story of grief. There is no other way of interpreting it.

So. I will say this: it is fine to decide Achilles and Patroclus are not romantically or sexually involved. That is an interpretation.

However. 1. Romantic interpretations are honest to god more historically accurate. 2. Achilles is gay no matter what.

And 3. If they are not gay. This is still the story: two men love each other more than anyone else in their lives. They are devoted to each other, and when Patroclus died the loss drove achilles to such rage and grief that the gods himself had to intervene before he won the Trojan war all by himself.

Achilles refers to Patroclus as “Poly philtatos” which translates to “the most beloved by far.”

What I’m trying to say in this long rant is that I honestly don’t care if people say Achilles and Patroclus were not together. As long as they’re ok with the fact that two people who were not in a romantic relationship were so devoted and in love with each other a great epic about them is told to this day. You’re either ok with the gay, or you bash all amatonormativity and you tell me that these two men don’t need romance to be this close to each other. Choose. you can’t have both.

[indigoire]

Things I really love that I found while playing TotK that I can't share with anyone because spoilers.

Edit: I started writing this on 5/04/23, having "obtained" the leaked copy. I now legally own the game on switch and am starting a fresh playthrough.

Hylia married Rauru, thus introducing the world to furries

To be fair Rauru is mad hot and I'd marry him (need to know his English VA).

New creatures! Constructs, dragons, big boss moblins, WALKING TREES?? 😱

PURAH IS BACK AND SHE'S OLDER AND HOT. Serving fucking cunt, got the heels, the jacket with the poofy sleeves, the glasses and eyeshadow, and the fucking posing! Yaaas, queen, slay! 💅

The new prodigy assistant of Robbie and Purah is so fucking precious

The Hylian fighters and being able to help them fight monsters! Hell yes!

The sheer sense of community! Everyone is helping Link and trying to save Hyrule

The caves! The Bubblfrog, the Like Like, the cool gems and bright flowers, it's so amazing

The aesthetic of the new shrines, they look so sleek and pure, like ancient Greece meets Windows 11

The little songs Link hums when he cooks 🥺🥺🥺

Pirates?? In Lurelin?? Still need to go find them but even the thought is amazing

The gloom! The horriblin! The dragons! The WALKING TREES! I keep getting jumpscared by this game lol

The new towers and their cool animations

The stable rewards system 😂

Blech sludge

It's really cool exploring somewhere as familiar as Lanayru and still find new challenges

They gave Sidon a case of the Not Gays but they still had him build a statue of Link riding him. 😏

History will call them "best friends"...

It's so much fun to use the new abilities, my only complaint is that ultrahand can be a little fiddly. Fuse is my new best friend. I made a sword sword and it sucks, but I was having so much fun with it.

There is so much more but these were the things that I literally couldn't contain inside myself. I don't care what anyone says, I'm only a fraction into this game and I love it so much.

Oh wait one more thing:

WALKING TREES!! The woods aren't safe anymore...

[eofaquitaine]

what’s so funny to me is that almost all of the things conservative “men’s men” chase are inherently rooted in homosexuality.

STEM? Yeah so the guy who invented the computers is Gay. the dude who discovered Calculus was probably gay or asexual. All of backbones of mathematics from ancient greece were discovered and named for gay/bisexual dudes. Doctors owe a lot to famous twinks Da Vinci and Hart and to a lesser extent the queer Florence Nightengale and Sara Baker.

Thinkers? Cos you know straight men are so smart or whatever? Please. I hate to bring up the Greek guys again but cmon Aristotle, Plato, Sophocles? Voltaire King of the Enlightenment (allegedly) swung with his bros predominantly. Modern Western Philosophy can be attributed to the bisexual Ludwig Wittgenstein.

“Masculine Dress” Historically is dressing like a dude that these guys would call a slur.

The Glory of War? Englands most famous Crusading kings (Richard Lionheart for example) were gay. Alexander the great, Julius Caesar and other classical generals/kings were gay/bisexual. Frederick the Great one of the most celebrated war figures in western history? gay as hell. If we assume these Dudes aren’t racist it opens up so many more like the Emperors of China particularly during the Han Dynasty, aka one of China’s greatest dynastical periods and a time of its empire growing, who were so gay that this period of chinese history is synonymous in some circles as being the great gay period of china. Sparta, which these guys love to flaunt, was famous for their female army division which frequently had all female orgies.

Their obsession with World War II? don’t even get me started. Alan Turing won that war and then was convicted of homosexuality. Margaret Chung who took care, healed, and rehabilitated over 2,000 US soldiers becoming one of the most influential members in the US Army was a well known lesbian. Nadine Hwang was a queer spy for the French. Hans Scholl who was a founding member of the white rose resistance in Nazi Germany was gay as well.

Influence over arts and culture? Again Mostly queer driven. Sappho of Lesbos pretty much invented musical theater. Michelangelo and other Renaissance artists were insanely gay so much so that being from italy was synonymous with liking dick. Turn of the century artists like JC Leyendecker or Louise Breslau helped contribute to the rise of consumerism and modernism. Being a theater kid is equivalent with being “gay” now but they seem to forget that theater was literally the original form of media through traveling bards, amphitheaters, storytellers etc making it older than books and definitely movies. Speaking of which a lot of celebrated authors were also famously gay! Like Shakespeare, Virginia Woolf, J. M. Barry, Hans Christian Anderson, etc. Actors and Musicians? Forget it that’s mostly gay are you kidding me? If you want go look up Actors who died of aids, there’s a lot of them. If you think we are in a “gay pop golden age” you clearly haven’t been listening for the past ~3000 years.

Freedom Fighters. They are obsessed with free speech aren’t they? Well let’s look at some queer activists/revolutionaries who actually walked the walk when it comes to freedoms that these dickheads probably enjoy! : Alexander Hamilton baby. Deborah Sampson, Jane Addams, Thomas Hall, John Laurens, Angelina Grimké, Maximilien Robespierre, Camille Desmoulins, Louis Antoine Saint-Just, Christopher Isherwood, Ludwig Wittgenstein. you can go ahead and thank them for your right to vote btw.

THIS IS ALL JUST WESTERN CULTURE. go ahead and triple this for all the innovated and influential queer people that went unmentioned and importantly in other cultures who made huge advancements as well (tho for the purpose of this post i’m focused on presumably racist people who believe that western glory is the peak of heterosexual masculinity)

so yeah to these illiterate idiots you’re welcome because yall couldn’t survive with even half the things that queer people have contributed to this world. (And for icing on top that documentary was a about a gay man, the language english in the tweet was half made up by a bisexual and he is typing it out on a device that originated from a gay man’s mind) 😘

Tell me you know nothing about history without telling me you know nothing about history

[moonsquaremars]

My Folly With The Mormon Church

You gave me purpose for so long. You solved my existential fears until I was forced to outgrow them. However the surrounding chaos, the plagues of my mind.

I surrender. I had to the first time. My father told me from a young age the importance of asking Christ to be saved, or you will be doomed to hell for eternity if you die. That’s pretty heavy for a five year old. I was spooked.

The second time was when I was thrown into the deep end after graduating high school. THE KIDS WERE NOT ALRIGHT. I was a mess.

Ill-prepared, temperamental, homosexual. Frustrated at the world. Frustrated with what was promised to me. My social realities just differed. My social life and upbringing. What was within reach. My stomping grounds. The struggles I had to face with from my home, against my will or control.

The Mormon Church gave me an answer.

Gave me a sense of purpose, sense, reasoning. After all, what could be more important than one’s eternal salvation. I came to the conclusion that homosexuality statistically had to be morally corrupt due to its widespread attitude across cultures and countries. Hell, I read even the Buddhists didn’t support all at. Damn. Even the Buddhists hate me ???

If all we got is Ancient Rome & Greece backing us, I hate to admit we’re doomed. Look at their fates. Maybe I am just a pawn for the demoralization of American society. Being working class is just a double wammy.

Admittedly though, two very close people to me died actually, and they were how I would’ve considered ‘privileged’. Private schools, even fencing lessons.

But they got clipped by God’s Own Hand. He ain’t take me out for some reason yet. I sure have been hoping though, deep down. I guess you could say that’s a source of my self sabotage. And the fear. Oh the fear. The fear of being myself, because it’s morally incorrect and of eternal consequence. Or the fear that was quite literally in my face. Mothertruckers would knock me out around here. I’m an effiminate white boy in an industrialized, working class urban environment.

With unhealthy coping strategies. Maybe that’s why I joined some strange religion, and made it my entire f***ng identity. Now at the ripe, very adult of 28, I ain’t got my cuteness as a defense for much longer.

Not that that necessarily saves you in America anyhow. You could die in a mass shooting in a grocery store. It really is wild like that out here. I think it does something to your psyche.

MY RETURN OF SATURN ♄ ༝༚༝༚

When I read that Saturn in the 9th House Natives (in Kentucky we would say was instead of were, but I’ll speak proper) were energetically attracted to more Traditional types of religions. My jaw bout near dropped. I kinda felt called out. How this book gonna tell me about myself like that?

I was irked. But it only furthered my belief in the ancient art of the stars. You can’t really argue with what’s right in front of you. And I, p

Pause. Had to start playing Saturn by Sza.

Alright. This stream of conciousness has been cathartic but it’s time I focus on the big idea. My health. My future. Rules change as you get older. Adult problems aren’t kid problems. I gotta get real with how my choices and actions have consequences. The strength of my youth is fading. My breathing is getting bad from years of smoking, vaping, clubbing and gaying. It’s time to retreat and try to find redemption from my mistakes of my 20s. I learned lessons. As 2 Chains said it best, I’m Diffrent..