#AND AT A J2 PANEL NO LESS

[souporsaladnatural]

Can i just point out how fucking deranged it was for jackles to say dean's biggest regret was not being able to save cas instead of saying it was dying on that piece of rebar. Cuz jackles fucking HATES the rebar. We know this. He dunks on it every chance he gets. This wouldve been a great opportunity to rag on it disguised as a ha ha funny joke. But instead he. he

[detailtilted]

NEW Enhanced Edition - CHICON 2010 - J2M Main Panel

Direct link to video. Link to YouTube channel. (18 videos available.)

My latest video is up! This is a rare J2M panel. 90% of the video came from the files sent to me by the amazing AgtSpooky. 87% of the audio came from videos on YouTube that @hils79 graciously granted me permission to use. Their audio was quite clear compared to the others and it made the subtitling process less difficult than I expected it to be with all three of them on stage. The rest of my source credits are on the video description.

What's Next?

That's my last CHICON 2010 video. I've started working on VANCON 2011, which is the very last convention that I have videos from AgtSpooky on. After that, I'll circle back to some of the older and more challenging conventions that I had skipped and I'll try to bring order to the chaos. 😅

There will be three VANCON 2011 videos -- the solo Misha panel, the J2 breakfast, and the J2 main panel. They'll be published in that order. That will probably be my last solo Misha panel for the foreseeable future. The focus of this project has always been Jared and Jensen, but I decided to do the two Misha panels for which I had good videos from AgtSpooky. He will of course still be included whenever he's in panels with Jared and/or Jensen at conventions I work on.

I've taken advantage of some days off work to throw a lot of extra time at this project. At my normal pace, it probably would have been 8 weeks before I had another J2 video out. I've already spent the past 3 months working through a convention without any "traditional" J2 panels and I miss them! So I've made a lot of progress on Misha's video already and I hope to have it out in a couple weeks. (It's a 54-minute video.) After that, it will probably take my usual 3 weeks to get the 30-minute J2 Breakfast out.

Before/After Comparison Photo

A recap for anyone not familiar with this project…

In December 2023, I started this project to enhance old convention videos. I'm upscaling the videos and making other visual improvements, adding extra content to clarify various references, and adding human-generated, color-coded subtitles so you can better understand the sometimes-chaotic audio. The subtitles can be auto-translated to other languages via YouTube.

My goal is to publish the best, most complete, and most watchable versions of these older convention panels yet seen, but this is only possible thanks to the fans who captured the footage in the first place and were generous enough to share it with other fans. My video descriptions on YouTube will always credit my sources.

If you have any old convention videos you'd be willing to contribute to this project, please message me! I can also be reached at DetailTilted@gmail.com. If I can get them to upscale (I can't always), I'd happily send the upscaled files back to you for your own collection whether I use them or not.

[lol-jackles]

Did you ever been to a SPN convention? And how was it?

Yes, twice. IMO, boring except for Jared, Jensen, Mark Sheppard, and Timothy Omundson. It���s an one-show convention so there’s less variety in the crowd and costumes, and the vendor room is small.

Fan-videos don't get across on how well Jared and Jensen work with each other during their panel; they're totally in sync and can basically read each other’s mind, it’s something you have to see live.

Me and my girlfriend went to our first SPN con in 2016. We’re the type of people that only need to experience something once, then we’re done.   Or so I thought. I end up going to a SPN con a second time in 2017 for the Sunday panel.  Readers, if you saw five biker-looking old farts at your convention, I was the good looking one.  They enjoyed the J2 panel very much and even shouted “Supernatural forever!” when a fan asked when they thought SPN would end.

Now that I write this, in retrospect this was around the timeline that I've speculated was when CBS approached Jared with an offer of a holding deal (X) and why Jensen pitched his Dean-led Supernatural at Comic Con (X). Remember kids, the official story that Jared and Jensen put out was they decided in 2017/18 during season 13 to give SPN "two more seasons". 

R.E.M song: that’s me in the corner yelling bullshit

Anyways, it was always crazy to me that SPN has its own convention over 3-day weekend.  Even crazier that they attempted a “spin off” SPN convention featuring just their supporting and one-off guest actors.  But that goes to show what a merchandise goldmine SPN was.

In all conventions I go to, I like to hang out in vendor rooms to chat up the vendors and get good stories out of them.  Occasionally actors will pop in and out unexpectedly and it was the same at SPN cons; Jensen looked like an athletic jock and Jared looked like a bean pole hipster.  IMO Jared looks better IRL than on screen because he’s less photogenic than Jensen whose face is more light friendly. 

[eisforeidolon]

So generally my transcribing the panels is a combination of video availability + my free time and mood + specific Q&As that I personally find particularly funny/new/interesting or likely to cause wank.

If there's any questions anybody specifically wants from SF this past weekend, I'll do them. On my own initiative, however, the only other question I considered doing was the one from the main panel which hellers seem to be translating into fantasies about cockless and how Jensen is totally ready to make out with Misha in a revival to make D/C canon.

Except the question was one of those very blatant "compliment each other now!" ones. They're kinda transparent and awkward even with J2, because they're professionals performing on stage, part of which is selling the whole 'one big happy family' thing fans want to believe of the cast. So when you ask them to compliment each other ... *gasp* ... they compliment each other! Even if they are besties, the sincerity there is automatically less believable given the nature of the ask. It can be salvaged if the answers seem personal and genuine, but then we have their answers here:

As to a professional compliment? Misha just repeated generic heller/stan chatter about Jensen totes being an A lister some day - when J2 have both talked about not even wanting that level of fame and knowing that kind of prominence is as much dumb luck as talent. He then implied he was giving insider information by repeating what we've heard about the positive atmosphere on set for the billionth time, except attributing it to Jensen without mentioning Jared (when everyone but crazy stans credits both of them for it). As for the personal compliment? Nothing but a sleezy joke about Jensen's supposed proficiency at hot oil massages.

In terms of the professional, Jensen starts off by basically repeating the general shit he always says about reciprocity and spontaneity being needed to really make a scene work beyond what's written on the page with another actor, just rephrasing it to include Misha. Hellers are crowing about him saying "the reason the story of Dean and Cass skewed to where it was" was from them having that kind of on set rapport. Which, as per usual? You'd only think that meant he was talking about D/C as a romance if you've rotted your brain away with bad meta to the point of believing "where [the story] was" was somewhere dictated by colors/ bacon/ pastry/ plaid/ whateverthefuck rather than what actually happened between the characters on screen. You know, where Cass was repeatedly stated to be and framed as an ally/ brother/ family/ friend when he hadn't fucked off somewhere being irrelevant to the brothers' story. Jensen then compliments Misha's performance in "the scene where he tells Dean goodbye" again. I do totally have to agree it was "an unbelievable performance" ... but not in the way he keeps trying to sell. Which if he's not doing that to try to avoid being called a homophobe again? Just increasingly makes me question that he knows what good acting looks like from the outside. (I do think it's interesting he describes his internal monologue as "don't ruin this for him" rather than something about actively participating to try and make the scene actually work for the characters and the story given how his answer started.) As for the personal compliment? After joking that personally Misha disgusts him, he talks about Misha having all kinds of weird outdoorsy/crafty hobbies with his kids, then makes the comment about Misha being one of the few people he'd call with a problem. My first uncharitable thought is, yeah, sure, in those cases where he caused the problem. But realistically, I've always been baffled how Jensen and Jared can possibly be friends with Misha and assumed he must have some kind of redeeming in-person positive attributes that outweigh ... basically his entire public persona. So again, they're friends who worked together on and off for a lot of years. Not even a hint of some super special exclusive BFF/true lurve relationship IRL, no non-hallucinated implications of D/C. In short, no new news.

Since hellers aren't misrepresenting specific words so much as ~*interpreting*~ and exaggerating significance, it's really not worth it to me to have to repeat listen to this blather as many times as a transcript takes without further incentive.

[walkergirlsposts]

https://www.tumblr.com/nothingidputbeforeyou/125602576049/dc-con-j2-panel?source=share

I don't know how people can ship Jensen and Misha when it's been years since Jensen started to be passive aggressive towards misha: he said that Misha makes promises that he can't maintain, that he talks shit, that he is less attractive than Jared, he laughed in front of everyone telling the story about how he said no about Castiel on TW, he refused to do photo op with Misha hugging each other (I don't remember very well the story but the fan decides to take of Jensen's eyebrows because he refused to the photo op), he refused to do a photo op with Vicky's book about the polyamouros relationship...

Because Misha encourages them because of destiel and they think they're shipping two "hot" people.

[hologramcowboy]

Recently, there was a video of the main J2 panel in Indianapolis (https://youtu.be/VWS4URkl-sg?si=nf8C7scfim0Jyx8o - 25:50-31:42) and someone asked J2 a question about sending highlight reels for acting roles, which they laughed at and said they don't really do that anymore. Both commented that their time in the industry and lasting connections they've made have allowed them to share relevant clips related to a specified role they want, get straight to meetings to discuss if they're a good fit for the script and role, etc. Jared mentions he's sent clips of when he was younger for more heroic roles. Jensen specifically details stuff like having experience with the showrunner and lead for Tracker, going on a Zoom meeting for when he was gonna be on Rust, and how his role for The Boys was the most intensive one to try out for. I wanted to know your thoughts on what both of them were saying, but also would like to know if the lasting connections made on the set of Supernatural (or other sets) are maybe the only advantage Jensen has when it comes to obtaining his current roles without more effort.

Also, this is related but unrelated, Jensen mentions ten minutes before that he's busy and excited with his new roles, trying to be a dad, and also mentioned that Chaos Productions has something in the works, but I felt like him talking about his own work had more enthusiasm than him talking about his family or his company.

It used to be that all actors required a reel to submit (by agent) or self submit. These days due to digital, there’s been a shift towards clips that are on brand. For example, if you are a leading lady you need to identify your main types( roles you’re most likely to get cast for) and record shot clips of such roles. You might do one where you are in procedural show, a comic one, one where you are the teacher or sister( because those are a part of your types) and then once a role pops us where the breakdown of the character matches that essence (e.g Fiesty Medic) then your agent will send the relevant clip directly to casting to show them you can indeed do fiesty and medical. This goes for any type of character. Basically casting requires hard proof you can do *that* specific character well and cares less about your reel overall. Of course, this doesn’t mean reels are obsolete, they are still a great marketing tool for actors, it’s just that once you reach a certain tier or when you have little experience, clips will serve you much more. They can get you in the room and on your way towards being booked. So, if you are an actor, I highly recommend identifying your main castable types and then creating on brand clips of scenes that match those types. Your agent will thank you for it and you could even post those online and get even more visibility.

As for headshots, sorry to break it to Jensen and Jared but they are still the actor’s calling card, no matter what tier you are at. They aren’t A listers so they won’t be shortlisted for a lot of roles, they need good headshots. It does help.

As for Jensen, it all depends on his team, he is pretty clueless about his own industry and so far has only been able to land roles thanks to networking. I hope his team pitches him to the right people outside of his SPN circle. Countdown might give him more visibility, if it goes well, and so might the SB spin off.

he’s always going to be more excited about work because that’s where his core value lies. We are each different and our core vary, one of Jensen’s core values is definitely having work as an actor.

As for what they both said, my fear is they are relying too much on their current status instead of being proactive, which is what any actor should be at any tier, especially if they plan on becoming A List. Marketing materials for actors are highly important, don’t just rely on your agent finding and sending a YouTube clip. You can do so much more.

Thank you for this beautiful question. 🧡

[blanketforcas]

Different anon, i also believe that jensen is kinda accepting his fate , i mean i think a revival is an improbable scenario now or even in few years. Things are what they are , he tried to correct the course with TW and it didn't work well so SPN is mostly finished, notice that everyone is talking less enthusiastically about reboot or anything similar, jensen mentioned season 16 but it was kinda a sad breath. Honestly i think jensen is coping. And agree with with you, maybe jensen from j2 panels is his most hard acting job , j/k no offense.

i'm a little more hopeful about a revival! i think they're just a bit bummed it's taking longer than they'd hoped

and maybe that's delusional of me but imo it's a better way of coping than jensen's in that case adfjsd

also that last comment cracked me up lmao

[bloodydeanwinchester]

idk if it's just me but Jensen's answers seem to get worse when he's only around jared,,, idk what it is but it seems like when he's being 'j2' he understands dean less

yeah it’s definitely more noticeable specifically when it’s just him and jared it’s never as bad when there’s other people on the panels with them. i think it probably has more to do with the crowds at those panels. idk if i’d say he understands dean less but i think it’s like he’s kind of catering his answers to the crowd he knows he’s got i guess? i donno he always seems like he’s having more fun when he’s up there with misha but that might just be because that’s what i want to see lol

[teamfreewill2pointo]

https://www.tumblr.com/teamfreewill2pointo/733253418548920320/i-get-why-j2-feel-so-protective-of-sam-and-dean

I think that J2 wanting to be EPs is purely protection for them and their characters. They aren’t likely to demand writers do exactly what they say in but-picky detail, rather they want to be able to veto out of character decisions or things that do not service their characters or do them justice. Both have had to swallow things they didn’t want to do, but I think Jared has had to do so more often. He worked hard to show Sam’s development where many writers didn’t bother to.

Personally, I agree that J2 know their characters better than anyone at this point. I wouldn’t want to watch a reboot/revival/continuation where they didn’t have some creative control. But they both know they aren’t writers, either.

I hope they can get a continuation of even 6-10 episodes.

Yup. They acknowledge the hard work of writing and they've said multiple times that they don't want to write it and they know they don't have the skill to do so. They just want to be able to say Sam and Dean wouldn't do this and have it respected instead of ignored.

It's not about ego. It's about them being protective of their characters after being forced to portray scenes and storylines that didn't fit their characters. Jared has talked in public and in m&gs about how much it didn't fit Sam to work with Lucifer, much less crack jokes with Lucifer, without having a reaction after what Lucifer did to him.

Jensen has talked about how, in season 11, they had Dean return to hell, and the writing team in season 11 completely ignored Dean's history with hell, so Jensen had to put in a brief pause because the text had zero mention of any trepidation.

When Jensen talked about it in a jibcon panel with Misha, he was very generous to the writers, and pointed out how a lot of them were new, and don't know the history of the characters.

And it's not like fans didn't notice or complain about these storylines either. Jared has said that when he brought up the Lucifer thing, he was told by TPTB that the fans wouldn't care or notice. He knew that we would care and notice, but he didn't have the power to fix it. Now, he only wants to do Supernatural if he has the power to fix it.

They want to avoid those types of things happening in the reboot. They want to be able to say, "This is OOC for Sam/Dean" and have the text changed to fit the characters instead of the characters changed to fit the text.

[laf-outloud]

https://www.tumblr.com/laf-outloud/743807030266036224/did-you-get-the-ce-email-jensen-is-now-already

Okay, so I’m going to move past me knee-jerk annoyance over CE being passive aggressive about Jared by calling Jensen THE Headliner in a few emails now. I mean, jared is only at half, or less of the cons this year, and maybe he even stipulated that this is the last year with them. Eithe way, Jared distancing himself is clearly his decision, seeing how many other cons he’s signing up for.

So, moving on from that … I find it absolutely insane that CE is doubling down on the Jensen only cons (as headliner) for 2025 when it’s barely 2024. CE hasn’t even done a single con yet this year, and the ones without Jared are largely not selling well as it is. Why do they think this is enticing to anyone but AAs? I’m not sure how late in the year J2 cons are comparing because they are so far off, but the ones up until August are selling out, or pretty well. At least they seemed to learn their lesson on trying to make Misha a headliner, or banking on cockles panels to appeal to the majority of fans. But, not having J2 takes away almost all the appeal of a CE con, because if your only getting one, you might as well go to a comic con or something, where it’s considerably cheaper.

Anyway, I looked at the 2025 con, and the Gold Pass prices are still similar to the ones this year, include J2 cons, and Jensen' Photo Op prices have gone up. This is wild to me in what will be 5 years after the last season of the show. I get that they must be getting desperate, but that just doesn’t even make sense to me. People are still trying to scrape money together for cons later this year, never mind 2025. There can only be so many rich women with free time to go to the ever-more-extensive CE cons, and who need to get close to Jensen that badly. Even if Jensen has a significant part on Season 5 of the Boys, I still don’t see him selling out cons with him alone as headliner. I don’t see him doing anything to bring in new fans, especially the type to want to pay big money to go to cons.

I’ve already seen friends on SM talking about being glad they already have cons booked for this year, because they were already unhappy with changes CE is making in cons, their greed, and now this development. Lots of people look like they will be opting out of CE cons after this year, and that’s from people who go fairly regularly.

I want to go to one last con this year, but I’m debating if I want to give CE my money any more at all. But, this might be among the last chances to see J2 together (which I enjoy), so I’m still considering it.

I think we have reached the end of an era in the SPN fandom, or we are at least in the final gasp.

You're laying down facts, anon!

It appears that Burbank is the weakest of the non-Jared cons this year, so I suppose the others could pull out better numbers, but you are definitely right that this feels like the last desperate gasp of a dying tradition, especially if, as you say, even regular con-goers are giving up.

I still think Jared will attend some CE cons (possibly one a quarter), especially if they do another in Austin, but mainly to maintain his SPN legacy.

This will be a very telling year for Creation and I suspect that as the year progresses, we'll see more discounted tickets (MinnCon 2025 tickets are already on sale), and likely a reduction in the number of cons for 2025 (no matter how much certain actors rely on them... CE can't keep paying the actors' attendance fees if the ticket sales won't cover them.)

[detailtilted]

NEW Enhanced Edition - CHICON 2009 - J2 Breakfast

Direct link to video. Link to YouTube channel. (13 videos available.)

My latest video is up. 82% of the footage came from the video AgtSpooky sent me. Her video was already on YouTube, but not properly credited to her. I used a few other sources that are credited in my video description.

This video won't look as good as my others, for reasons I've already explained in typically wordy fashion in another post, but I do think it's still quite an improvement versus what's previously been available on YouTube. There are, as usual, some funny moments! I hope you'll find it to be worth watching.

My next video will be the main J2 panel. This is when they first started doing completely combined panels instead of having a combination of solo and joint panels. My turnaround time on the next video will be much slower than it has been up to this point. This is both because the next video will be twice as long as most of my other videos, and also because I have some personal chaos (buying a house/selling a house/moving) that will eat into a lot of my spare time over the next month and a half.

I'll be even less active on Tumblr than usual while this is going on. Whatever spare time I manage to find will probably be dedicated toward video editing rather than social media. If you don't hear much from me over the next month or two, it's definitely not because I've lost interest in my project or the fandom.

Before/after comparison photos...

In addition to these images, there's a 32-second comparison video in this post (the same post I linked to above). The original videos had very heavy flashes which I reduced in the enhanced version, and a screen shot can't demonstrate how big of a difference that makes.

A recap for anyone not familiar with this project…

In December 2023, I started this project to enhance old convention videos. I'm upscaling the videos and making other visual improvements, adding extra content to clarify various references, and adding good color-coded subtitles so you can better understand the sometimes-chaotic audio.

My goal is to publish the best, most complete, and most watchable versions of these older convention panels yet seen, but this is only possible thanks to the fans who captured the footage in the first place and were generous enough to share it with other fans. My video descriptions on YouTube will always credit my sources.

If you have any old convention videos you'd be willing to contribute to this project, please message me! I can also be reached at DetailTilted@gmail.com. Even if your videos are on YouTube, the original files, if you still have them, may upscale much better. If I can get them to upscale, I'd happily send the upscaled files back to you for your own collection whether I use them or not.

[lol-jackles]

https://x.com/therollyjoger89/status/1803071536166842633?t=aIN3CWBuG2Xgfrc0R4IBzg&s=19

Congrats!!! You made twitter, again! anyone who thinks logically is accused of being a Jared stan. 🤣

Link. LoL the Anon had a legit question and Jenna turned it into a Jared stan thing.

Jenna is sore that Jensen is finally first on the call sheet at age 46 but the Jared stans are going "whom?"   That's what is really going on.   For over 20 years AAs were mad that Jared's fans generally don't give a flying fig about Jensen.  It's why AAs threw temper tantrums over SPN girls giving fandom-made awards and gifts to Jared during J2 panels so they pressured CE to ban the practices and move it to private M&Gs.  Then AAs threw temper tantrums that SPN girls were publishing their M&G experiences and AAs said it was making M&G less special, so they pressured CE to ban fans from publicly sharing their M&G experiences.

See the pattern? It's all about their weeble feels, it's not even about Jensen or Jared.

The indifference by Jared fans is partly why AAs work extra hard to gaslight everyone that  Jensen is the most popular and the most special guy ever and make straight men gay.  Lol dude, that's not how it works!  AAs' relentless campaign has succeeded in gaslighting some fans, especially the newbies.  Until they find my blog and scales fall from their eyes.

That's why the Jennas of the world keep reading my blog and trying to discredit me with "he's a Jared stan!", a label they have tried to stick on me since 2016.  Remember kids, according to Jenna and AAs, anybody who isn't hating one Jared 24/7 is a "Jared stan".  They've accused quite a few Dean girls, Jensen girls, and even nice Destiel shippers of being Jared stans just because they don't want to talk about Jared or bash him and rather focus on favorite characters and ships instead.

Hell at this point  AAs have obsessed and talked way more about Jared's future appearance on The Boys than Jensen's new show The Countdown.  Seriously, I actually have to look hard and wide to find AAs talking about The Countdown, but AAs are regularly slamming their dicks in my face with their meltdown over Jared and The Boys

Jenna, nobody was saying Dane should have been the lead like you've been saying Jensen should have been the lead on Supernatural for 15 freaking years (X).

[eisforeidolon]

I don’t get why some fans ask for advices on bullying , mental health etc from j2. It's not only oversharing your issues in front of bunch of strangers, also making the actors uncomfortable by seeking expert advices from them.

I really kind of hate it, tbh.

It does put the actors in an uncomfortable spot. They aren't going to be rude, but they're not our personal friends or mental health experts. I think they're both nice, thoughtful guys who do care about their fans, but they're actors, ffs. It can be an emotional burden on them to have to hear negative stories. Or to be put on the spot where they may feel like they need to give the right answer or they're letting down someone in need. It's really not considerate or appropriate to put that on them.

Not to mention - and I can't think of a nicer way to say this? It's fairly attention-seeking behavior. The fan isn't realistically expecting them to solve the problems they're having. They're wanting personal attention, acknowledgement, and often sympathy from J2. These guys are there to talk about themselves and their projects and in doing so entertain a whole room full of fans. So one particular fan getting up and going into detail about their personal life/issues/whatever, making it about them? Especially if their issue is a potentially triggering topic some people would want to avoid hearing about at all because of their own life/issues/whatever? It's really not appropriate or considerate of the time and money of all the other fans when it uses up time that could be spent on questions J2 actually are the best choice to answer.

I don't know if it's still in use, but at one point Creation had to add a statement actively dissuading fans from trauma-dumping on the stars because it was becoming a problem (for Jared especially). It was specifically about holding up auto and photo op lines, but I don't think it actually applies less to the panels:

We are asking that our audience does not delay photo ops or autographs by telling our stars personal stories of how the series has helped them during these sessions. We are well aware of the importance of this issue and the great work the series’ stars have done in this area, but we feel it is not in the best interests of the conventions to over burden our celebrities with so many difficult and heart wrenching stories focused at an event that is meant to be fun for them and the audience. We are asking, as some of the celebrities have, that your personal stories be posted to their Facebook pages where they can read them in moderation and at a time when they are not dealing with long lines of other folks. Thank you for your consideration in these matters, which also includes not taking time at our question line for personal stories and relate your questions to the series and the stars on stage. THANKS!

Neither of the incidents in the main panel this weekend were as derailing or graphic as some in the past, and there was perhaps more of an effort to make it "a question". But I really hope it happening twice isn't a sign of this sort of thing coming back as a major issue again.

[rockinimpalapie]

Can I ask you your experience at conventions? Did you meet J2M or just Misha?

Hi! Of course you can. I have a lot to share. I met J2M and many of the other cast members (you can ask me about interaction with any specific cast member in other messages, if you'd like. I love getting asks). It wasn't their fault specifically, but I didn't have what I'd call a "good time" at these conventions. I went to multiple because I hoped that my experience would be better. That it would be different this time... and it wasn't. There's always loud music during photo ops and autographs. It was too loud to talk or tell them the pose that I wanted for photo ops. It was too loud for them to hear me say "thank you". This is a long reply, so I put the experiences under the "keep reading".

Before I talk about my experiences with J2M, I would like to begin with saying that I don't hate any of them. I'm not a fan of CE conventions, but I don't necessarily hate them, either. Would I go to another CE con? Not likely. Many people have amazing experiences at these conventions, but I just found CE conventions to be highly overstimulating.

With Misha, even when I wasn't with that toxic waste monster of a friend (who will remain unnamed because even though I feel that people should be warned about her, I'll never say her name because that's just not the kind of woman I grew to be), he was always focused on someone else. It wasn't his handler (lol, that makes him sound like a zoo animal, but that's what that person was called!) or the photographer... it was always another fan who hadn't left yet. So while other fans might've had a great experience with him, if I was right after them, I got the short end of the stick. 50/50, I can't blame him, but also... I can, a little. That other fan's time was up in the panel Q&A.

Jensen has always been my favorite. I'm a "Dean girl", through and through. I don't think it's enough to be called a "stan", though. I had the most positive experiences with him. His attention was on me, he called me sweetheart, gave me a hug, and during autos at VanCon, when my voice began to shake as I was trying to talk to him (nothing heavy, I'm just a nervous, shaky person), he held my hands and said just what I needed to hear in that moment (that I was a strong, smart, and beautiful person and that I could do this, and could do anything). He did not even have to do that. I wasn't expecting it. He wasn't obligated to say a thing. I was so blown away (and a bit confused) by his kindness.

Most of my interactions with Jared were pretty awkward. At MinnCon 2017, I brought a poster for them all to autograph. I wasn't aware that it was photoshopped until Jared said something about it. He said, about Castiel, something like, "oh, the ugly angel guy in the trench coat wasn't even there for that photo". He then ignored me and looked past me (when it was still my turn) at my toxic waste monster friend and said, "and you brought me such a beautiful woman!". Oh. Huh. Okay. Whatever.

At VanCon 2019, I had a J2 op that I shared with a stranger to cut costs. This was an awkward experience but ... not all negative. I was 330 lbs and hated the way that I looked. I just wanted a hug from Jensen, that was it, so I told him that I didn't want to show my face, and Jared overheard. At my solo Jared op, he asked me if I wanted a hug, and he gave me a hug (one that hid my face), and I was confused because I didn't see the flash. That's the photo I thought I wanted; what gives? Then, he held me at arms' length and said, "No. I want to see your pretty face." That was oddly sweet, and it ended up being a really cute photo.

I was one of the first people in Silver to get Jared's autograph at VanCon 2019. Like with Misha, I told Jared about my autism and how I appreciated him and how kind and patient he was with me, and while I wasn't expecting much (because he has no obligation to say anything either), I got even less. He just nodded and said, "thank you" and turned his attention to the next person. At the time, that felt... not good. I wasn't upset, nervous, crying, etc., and I just felt... brushed off. I don't know how so many people get so much more attention, not that I wanted it, I was just... y'know, I don't even know why I felt the need to disclose the autism. I think I just felt bad for causing (what I thought was) a problem during photo ops, and just... not being able to make solid eye contact or talk or act like a normal person. Before therapy, it was hard not to feel like a problem, so... I was always apologizing, explaining myself, overexplaining, letting people walk all over me, etc., I am the way that I am because of a disability.

This reply is getting unexpectedly long. If you need me to elaborate on anything or have any other questions, I'd love to hear from you.

[walkergirlsposts]

https://www.tumblr.com/walkergirlsposts/761158071165878272/you-know-because-of-that-terrible-finale-and-the

I know this sad heller is clearly just baiting, but … for what?

“”you know, because of that terrible finale and the consecutive events, J2 friendship will never be the same. heck, we found out it never was what we though.”

- Yeah, the fact that hellers and AAs hate the finally bring we great satisfaction. The fan groups all got what they deserved. J2’s friendship is between them, and we have no way of knowing how close they still are. They still get along. Good enough for me. "Heck" no amount of Jensen making a shitty decision and hellers and AAs screeching about "jivorce" actually changes the obviously real friendship J2 had at one time., or the fact that they still do panels together and have the best chemistry of the cast.

“there's no more Sam and Dean, and there won't be more J2.”

- umm, obviously there is no more Sam and Dean. That’s what happens when a show ends …. J2 are scheduled into 2025 for cons, so, yes, there will in fact be more J2. Also, for those of us who care about their content, they often hang out together in con cities, too. You know who is rarely seen with them … Misha.

"they drifted away, each one on a diferent path and now they only have a bunch of boring panels at cons, which are nothing but a rutine number at this point."

- most adult friends drift at least a little when they have families and different responsibilities. It’s called life, so … so? I will take "boring" and "routine" J2 panels over the dumpster fire that is JenMish, which anon probably thinks are fun, any day. So, I’m good.

"and then Jensen will go out to have dinner with the rest of the cast, while Jared is "too busy" to join. how sad."

- this actually doesn’t happen that often. Also, who cares? Jared clearly has better taste than to constantly slum with the extras, and from what I see Jensen only really does so when Jared is absent or busy.

"the friendship of a lifetime, is now reduced to play pretend for a bunch of strangers in a 30 min panel."

- that’s actually a 30 min, plus 1 hour panel at CE cons. Which happens pretty frequently, so … what is this anon's point? Did they think fans were expected to be invited along on J2 friend dates? Were we supposed to see them together anywhere besides at cons or the odd random public events anyway? What even is this point??

I get that lots of Jared fans don’t give a shit about Jensen. And that’s cool. I prefer Jared myself, but I still enjoy the J2 chemistry, and frankly nothing this petty weirdo had to say has dampened my enjoyment of seeing them together. I don’t need them to be roomies who are still living in each other’s pockets in their 40s to enjoy their dynamic on stage, so … what was the point of this ask? Who were they trying to offend?

This half-wit probably thinks Jensen and Misha are friends, so … excuse me if their opinion is less than meaningful.

That was probably a copy pasta. Go to some Jared hating blogs, you'll probably see it there. They'll be all: "Ohhh yes, Jensen hates Jared, everybody hates him!!!" while pushing the narrative that jenmish' are besties with even less proof than what they sent me. I guess they think we're as invested as they are. 🤷

[canonicallysoulmates]

J2 Main Panel ATLCon 2023

The panel starts with some dad jokes, then Jensen asks Jared how he's feeling, and Jared replies that he's feeling good, that he's been filming and mentions that he woke up at around 3am to go to the bathroom and he stayed up to watch the fights cause he didn't want to wake up to text messages about the results. Jensen says that now he knows that'll keep Jared up so he's gonna text him the results of the fights from now on.

Jensen flew in from Switzerland on Friday, that it was a long journey, and he's been on European time the past week so he's just started to assimilate to that and then he came back to the states so now his body is all confused; he does have some sleeping pills his doctor gave him but he says he hasn't used them yet.

Starting the questions, what would have Dean's ideal ending been for him? Jensen answers that he thinks there's probably a few different roads they could have gone down but in overanalyzing what did happen as much as he has, he does feel this was a pretty great way of doing it. That during their meet and greet they had been asked what their thoughts would have been if the situation had been reversed, if Sam had died and Dean had had to carry on, and Jensen replied that he doesn't think Dean would have been able to do it and he's not trying to say Sam cared less for his brother but he thinks Sam was the one brother that could have carried on for his brother. He doesn't think Dean could have put that ahead of his emotional trauma.

He thinks Dean probably would have spiraled and it would have been destructive and he probably would have said "why am I doing this? I don't have my partner", he feels like Dean would be doing anything he could to get back to his family while he thinks Sam had the ability and the insight to say "I'm doing this for my family". He feels like it really made more sense for Dean to be the one to go, and it made for really good TV. That that particular character to be the one to go down and Sam to be the one to carry the torch was a really good move from the writers that made for really good television, so he wouldn't change it. x

When Dean made the deal in s2, do they think it was more lenient for the demon to have granted Dean a year to live or was it more cruel? The fan explains that if the demon had taken Dean's life in that moment he might not have had any second thought about continuing living but then with the one year to live he would still feel Sam's love and Bobby's love which would make him unable to embrace death.

Jensen thinks demons always have a nefarious tactic to them, and that it was just better for the story. But he also thinks the fan is right that it definitely gave Dean an opportunity to battle with all of those situations, battle with wondering if he did the right thing but he thinks at the end of the day Dean would have done whatever it took to save his brother even if that meant dying right in that moment. He thinks the demon did that because they were hoping it would get better ratings 😂

If they had to one vs. one any creature or being from SPN who they think they would have the best shot with and how would it go down? Jared says leprechaun all he has to do is put a bunch of shit on the ground and they have to count it. Jensen goes siren that he would happily lose. But if he was trying to win, he doesn't know, maybe changelings cause they're kids. Jared points out he has trouble with human kids, he wants a monster kid, and Jensen quips that he has monster kids. x

Have any of their kids expressed a desire to be actors, and if they did would they encourage it or try to stear them in another direction? Jared says all three kids got to go to the Walker set recently and see what he does; Tom was like nope and Jared breathed a sigh of relief, Odette said no but she's a performer, and then Shep said he'd think about it as if it's something you do as a hobby to which Jensen says that it's funny cause when he asks Shep what he wants to do when he grows up he tells him that he wants to do what Uncle Jensen does, both boys start laughing and Jared says he'll go with that, that he likes that better that Shep said maybe he'll do what Uncle Jensen does.

None of Jensen's kids have expressed an interest in acting but he will say Arrow is quite the little performer, she's picked up piano on her own and she'll ask him to record her while she does some dance or performance, and she's just starting to learn to read now but for over a year she didn't read but she would hold books and make up a story and flip the page and continue out loud as if she was reading. He wants to allow the kids to follow any interest and not smother their curiosity, he wants to really encourage curiosity whatever avenue that might lead them down. x

How to do they get into the mindset for crying scenes and what is it like when it's over? Jared answers that he thinks he and Jensen are similar, that one of his least favorite things he can see on script is stage direction saying they break down or they cry, and in so many scenes in SPN that didn't say they break down they did and vice versa it would say they do but it didn't feel right so he feels like they just let the scenes happen, and he feels like as the seasons progressed it was one of those things where they'd do a scene and be like "oh wow that felt more powerful than I anticipated looking at the page" and, again, vice versa it would be a really sadly written scene but it wouldn't feel like something the characters would approach with sadness as much as frustration.

That pretty quickly they had a pretty good idea of who Sam and Dean were and then as the show progressed the writers kinda wrote Sam and Dean to Jared and Jensen and so they trusted them like if it was a scene where they make a joke they wouldn't write Dean says kiddingly or Sam says emotionally they'd just write their dialogue and let them do their thing.

Jensen adds there's also a large capacity of confidence within the character that they had as actors and to brag on Jared a bit he remembers watching him, cause in the first season in the episode Heart Sam loses Maddison and has a really emotional scene, and Jared really got into a headspace that day and Jensen remembers watching him on set being in the corner, sitting on the floor and kinda rocking. And these lighting set ups can take half hour to 45mins sometimes and Jared was staying in that emotional headspace, you can't do that 10hrs a day and he remembers asking Jared what he was thinking about and Jared replied that he was thinking about his dog Sadie dying 😭

And how emotionally taxing that must have been for him to do that for several hours just to stay in an emotional state so when they yell action he could shed tears. Jared says that was the last time he ever did that, and Jensen continues saying he watched him as not just a scene partner and a friend but he got to watch him as an audience member and see Jared figure out a way to tell Sam's story through actual emotion that he had for the character and so when they got to s15 and they had that barn scene those weren't two actors thinking about something else that made them emotional so that they could put on an emotional face for the character, these were two actors that were so deeply invested and confident in their character that all they had to think about was Dean dying and Sam losing his brother and the tears and the emotion just swept them up.

It evolved over the course of the show and getting out of it when they yelled cut- you're essentially tricking your body into thinking something horrible is happening and your body is reacting. Jensen remembers when he was recounting Dean's experience in hell to Sam and they yelled cut and he had to walk away cause his body was shaking cause his body was thinking that he was going through something traumatic and he says what's interesting is that those leave little scars on your heart, those leave little impressions on your soul because your body reacted to what it thought was real and even though they knew in their brain it wasn't they went through that process physically. So he had to go and walk it off cause he couldn't stop the tears, they just kept coming and his body was shaking.

Jared also mentions that they're both Texan born and bred, the idea that someone's like well if you do a crying scene you're gonna go home and you're gonna feel exhausted cause your body's been crying Jared would scoff and say he's acting, he's memorized the lines but that it's legit having done it now for 23 years and 450 episodes of television you do a regular or happy scene and you go home, but you do one where your brother is dying he says he slept for days after they shot that barn sequence, he had no energy, he had no dopamine in his body and it was weird cause he'd sleep 8hrs but he couldn't even get out of bed.

Jensen says it's strange that an emotional scene is more physically taxing on you that a day of fight scenes but it just is, it's coming from within, it just exhausts you. But it's also like those days filled with fight scenes where at the end of it you really feel like you've hung your hat on that day, you put in the work today and that's always a good feeling when you feel like you've really delivered. x

Favorite flavor of pie? Jared starts to recite pi, his actual answer is pecan. Jensen says it's been a long road for him and pie that began when he met Dean Winchester but that long before he met Dean he had a wonderful grandmother that he got to grow up with and see her just about every week if not twice a week and she made the world's greatest chocolate meringue pie and every now and again if he was good he'd get to go to his gran's house and get some chocolate meringue pie and he misses that terribly. Aww, Jensen 🥹

Was Ben actually Dean's? Jensen says he likes to think that he wasn't, and the reason is because if Dean thought that Ben was his the Sam and Dean story would have been over and Dean would have commited himself to that situation. x

Could Sam and Dean have been convinced by Charlie to try a D&D oneshot and if so what class might they play? These men are confused, Jared says he doesn't know what half of those words meant so the fan has to explain to them what a oneshot is, it's one game that can last several hours. Jared says hell yeah, and then asks why it's called oneshot the fan explains that it's because it's a game that only lasts one day instead of a campaign that can last months or even years, the fan mentions they know of games that have gone on for 30yrs which stuns the boys. Jared says he doesn't think he could commit to that, Jensen says he can't even get through a game of Sorry! to which Jared says Jensen can't get through a game of rock, paper, scissors without getting bored.

Sam would do it, Jared would not cause he thinks he'd get horribly addicted to it. Jensen is still confused, and Jared tells him he'll research it and explain it to him 😂

Have they developed any of Sam and Dean's mannerisms? Jared says Jensen has- Jensen keeps asking about D&D.

Getting back to the question, Jared replies that it's hard to say, it's hard to differentiate what started with him and made it on camera as Sam. That they spent probably just about as much time playing Sam and Dean than thinking about how Sam and Dean would react when they call action. If you film for 12 or 15hrs a day that's not a lot of takes there's as much time if not more off camera preparing for that, so Jared and Sam- he doesn't know who's who, but Sam is much more serious than Jared.

Jensen says he probably borrows Dean's bravado from time to time and that's not to say it's all his but as Jared said it's a huge hybrid of their mannerism and what they thought would serve the character so a lot of what's seen on screen is just them being comfortable in the character and a lot of similarites are there so there's a lot of crossover and you might see them do something and think it's something Dean would do or Sam would do and that's because it's something they do that they did while playing the character. x

What supernatural themed shows would they reccomend watching? Jared says Twilight Zone, the original. It's nice, scary, short and fun. Jensen says Angel since the fan is finishing Buffy. x

If both Sam and Dean had kids would they have watched horror shows with them and what would it have looked like? They say it would be more like training videos. x

What's their favorite song? One of Jensen's favorites is the Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin that he plays it as often as he can in the car for his kids. Jared says Just Breath by Pearl Jam that it was the first song he heard when he became a dad. x

How do they both deal with stage fright and anxiety, if they get it? Jared says that while it might sound a little strange and a little dark he thinks about other parts of the world and what's going on cause he'll really get into his own head thinking about all sorts of stuff like his son not scoring as high on something as he'd like to or his dog being sick so he thinks about what's going on in the rest of the world right now and all the unfortunate stuff people are dealing with and it kind of makes it go away, and he remembers that all he's trying to do is try to bring joy and trying to bring entertainment. He's not saving lives or curing cancer, he's just hoping to have a good time and help somebody else have a good time and it kinda makes it melt away a little bit.

For Jensen it's a game of numbers the more you do it, the easier it becomes the better you feel, the more confident you feel. It may be though at first but the more you do it- and also anxiety, nerves, fear if you allow those things to constantly deter you from doing what it is that's bringing that to you he doesn't think you ever get to truly live life. He thinks overcoming those fears, overcoming that anxiety that's really where the gratification lies and then shining in those moments is largely rewarding. If you're not hesitant, if you're not nervous getting on stage you're one of very few, everybody gets it but you can also use that feeling and turn it into energy, turn it into excitment, turn it into something you can put in your performance and hopefully it rewards you for the rest of your life. x

Last week Jensen said there was going to be news about his new project, has the announcement been made? Can he talk about it? Also, have their shows been renewed? I love Jared's reaction because he jokingly goes "don't drag me into this, I didn't say I was going to be making an announcement today at the con in Atlanta" as he turns towards Jensen and puts his hands on his hips 😂

So, Jensen says that he had been told by the people in charge of this project that there would be a press release, that has been held up for reasons that he doesn't know, all he knows is that everything's done and it's just semantics now. But it's out of his control, it's up to tptb, the brass, those who control the checks and when he sees it we'll see it but it's exciting and we'll just have to wait because he doesn't know. And as far as their shows they also have no news because CW hasn't told them so when they know we'll know. x

What songs pump them up for working out? Jared starts to mention the song from Deadpool but Jensen goes "Celine Dion?" and they have a little joking back and forth about it but the song Jared actually meant is Welcome to the Party. Jensen shares that a fun fact about Jared is that he likes to remind Jensen that that song is what he likes to kick a heavy bag too every time it plays, and every time Jared tells him that he tells Jared he's told him that 37 times. Yeah, this is married behavior because this can't be something that is playing that often on the radio or coming up casually.

Jensen says he usually goes old school with his workout playlist but he doesn't have a curated one he just goes to like Spotify and picks something from there, he also mentions the song Welcome to the Jungle by Guns N' Roses. x

When is Jensen going to release the song that he and MC made? Jensen says he'll have to track him down but they're still workshopping that one, it was an impromptu writing session they had but he'll be honest he was impressed with MC's ability to not hit any notes that it was alarming, he was terrible 🤣

Gonna take a second to thank God for having no idea what the fuck this person is talking about 🙌

Last question! Why did Sam drive 4hrs to Pontiac, Illinois to bury Dean after he died in No Rest for the Wicked? Jensen makes the joke that that's where he rose...so he already had a plot. I'll give it to him that was a good one!

Jared answers that you always want to leave the scene of a crime before burying a dead body so he thinks Sam was just looking for the first place he could get where the law wasn't following him. Jensen says that honestly that's a good question that he doesn't have an actual answer for, he doesn't know why the writers decided to do that, usually the writers have some insight or writer trader information like Pontiac, Illinois might be where their first girlfriend was from and that's what they'll write in there but but they don't tell that to them, that's not in the script.

And then Rosenbaum semi-crashes the panel to "ask a question" if they can raise the money if they can give him a ride in the car they have in their garage, Jared says no 😂

And I'm wrapping up this post by pointing out two things the first one is that Jared and Jensen were sitting so close during this panel that they might as well have sat on each other's lap, and that there's this cute moment at the end of the panel where Jensen says "give it up for my man, Jared Padalecki" 💖

J2 Main Panel Atlanta Con 2023