#6b4t movement

[brownwomanisland]

A mutual of mine corrected my use of choking to say what I was describing as strangulation WHICH IS CORRECT (thank you!)

What are some other violent or graphic words that have been replaced by nicer sounding words to null the senses as to what is actually occurring?

[gacha-incels]

some QRTs from the original thread which is of course also worth a read. the Chinese movement 6B4T is frequently subject to censorship online.

[its-terf-or-nothin]

[drizne]

Excerpt from the speech "Remembering the Witches", from Andrea Dworkin's "Our Blood"

"Men tell us that they too are "oppressed". They tell us that they are often in their individual lives victimized by women -- by mothers, wives and "girlfriends". They tell us that women provoke acts of violence through our carnality, or malice, or avarice, or vanity, or stupidity. They tell us that their violence originates in us and that we are responsible for it. They tell us that their lives are full of pain, and that we are its source. They tell us that as mothers we injure them irreparably, as wives we castrate them, as lovers we steal from them semen, youth and manhood -- and never, never, as mothers, wives, or lovers do we ever give them enough.

And what are we to think? Because if we being to piece together all of the instances of violence -- the rapes, the assaults, the cripplings, the killings, the mass slaughters; if we read their novels, poems, political and philosophical tracts and see that they think of us today what the Inquisitors thought of us yesterday; if we realize that historically gynocide is not some mistake, some accidental excess, some dreadful fluke, but is instead the logical consequence of what they believe to be our god-given or biological natures; then we must finally understand that under patriarchy gynocide is the ongoing reality of life lived by women. And then we must look to each other -- for the courage to bear it and for the courage to change it.

The struggle of women, the feminist struggle, is not a struggle for more money per hour, or for equal rights under male law, or for more women legislators who will operate within the confines of male law. These are all emergency measures, designed to safe women's lives, as many as possible, now, today. But these reforms will not stem the tide of gynocide; these reforms will not end the relentless violence perpetrated by the gender class men against the gender class women. These reforms will not stop the increasing rape epidemic in this country, or the wife-beating epidemic in England. They will not stop the sterilizations of black and poor white women who are the victims of male doctors who hate female carnality. These reforms will not empty mental institutions of women put into them by male relatives who hate them for rebelling against the limits of the female role, or against the conditions of female servitude. They will not empty prisons filled with women who, in order to survive, whored; or who, after being raped, killed the rapist; or who, while being beaten, killed the man who was killing them. These reforms will not stop men from living off exploited female domestic labor, nor will these reforms stop men from reinforcing male identity by psychologically victimizing women in so-called "love" relationships.

And no personal accommodation within the system of patriarchy will stop this relentless gynocide. Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's daughter is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.

Before we can live and love, we will have to hone ourselves into a revolutionary sisterhood. That means that we must stop supporting the men who oppress us; that we must refuse to feed and clothe and clean up after them; that we must refuse to let them take their sustenance from our lives. That means that we will have to divest ourselves of the identity we have been trained to as females -- that we will have to divest ourselves of all traces of the masochism we have been told is synonymous with being female. That means that we will have to attack and destroy every institution, law, philosophy, religion, custom, and habit of this patriarchy that feeds on our "dirty" blood, that is build on our "trivial" labor."

[aalexan]

when I was 12, my parents took me on a vacation to an island in the bahamas. we were at a restaurant and as we were leaving, we walked past the bar counter. there was a man sitting there, an american tourist, who was clearly very very drunk. he had his arm around a woman, who I assume worked at the restaurant from her shirt. I heard him say something about her getting “a place to stay” and “a job”. She was clearly very uncomfortable, but she didn’t say anything. he kept talking to her and she sat there, looking like she wanted to escape. I was only 12, I didn’t know what to do, how to intervene, but I remember looking back as walked out the door and seeing her face of absolute panic and fear and nervousness and me just walking out the door. To this day I still remember that. I’m so sorry to that woman, that I couldn’t help her, that I didn’t help her. I’m sorry to every woman I couldn’t help.

[drawingmisandrist]

TAP IN.

Remember Stephanie Soo's video about the nth rooms? Where over 100,000 men were in a telegram groupchat to sexually torture and enslave young girls?

We all know that sexual violence crimes are rarely ever taken to court, right? So logically this must have been one of those rare exceptions, RIGHT?

So think about the absolute scale of other communities where men band together to hurt children, girls and women. if it's 10x the scale, then it must be <1,000,000.

And think about it-- it's not most men who are this depraved.

A lot more men are simply antifeminist, than actively committing crimes.

So think about the scale of the online organisations and movements that must and have existed specifically to derail feminism. If the nth room contained 100,000 people, logically THESE antifeminist movements must be <10,000,000, and i'm being GENEROUS.

The organisation and effort they must have spent to derail the metoo movement, to run smear campaigns against Amber Heard and Blake Lively for sexual violence allegations... I feel like there was organisation to make women afraid of coming out with their stories, afraid of trying to find community with other women over similar traumas.

Most people assumed that these women were socially ruined because of other, misinformed and male-worshipping, women, but i don't believe it. It's too tactical-- especially considering the tragically young assassination death of Dora Moono Nyambe (May She Rest In Peace). She was only 33 and rescued hundreds of girls from child marriage, and passed away just when her instagram account started to gain international traction.

We need to be more vigilant. We need to understand the hidden enemies that be. Men profit too much, in both pleasure and profit, from our exploitation to ever let out sisters out of their shackles.

[centeringme]

This is… probably not going to be very well worded but…

I like the 4b movement. I can’t completely cut men out because I’m financially dependent on my parents still, but I really want to. My real issue with follow through is this guy I ‘like’ (by which I mean I tolerate him, and we’re kinda? friends). I want to cut him off, but there’s a tiny little part of me that’s terrified of doing so because he’s the only guy I’ve met that’s not a complete monster (as of yet). I have a habit of ‘preparing’ and making backup plans, and the tiny part of me that wants to keep him is terrified that I’ll somehow get stuck in my parents church (they’re mormons) and if I do I’ll get stuck being some über-conservative blatantly misogynistic guys tradwife.

does anyone have advice for ‘overcoming’ this fear?

[shebelongstoshe]

Honest Confession of a Female Separatist #2

I've been incredibly annoyed with my friends who are dating, married to, and sleeping with men right now. I've been disappointed in their male centeredness, desire to be chosen, and general focus on partnerhood. I've been trying to figure out what to do about it besides just abandoning the relationships. It's been really hard tho to leave my friends.

I've been doing/trying something else which is to encourage them to demand (from current relationships) and (expect in new ones) to be treated well and like an equal. I've been slowly nudging this for weeks -- some friends have retreated from our relationship and others have become emboldened by me and have started demanding or abandoning men that don't treat them as they should be/want.

What I've been worried about is them being murdered or harmed in other ways from rocking the boat with men they're dating, working for, or married to -- this is fucked and I don't know what to do about it.

I feel like I'm sacrificing them in a war -- like if you're gonna be with men only do so if they treat you well, if they do anything that hurts you, leave. The whole point though is that men rape, beat, murder, destroy women emotionally, physically, spiritually over this basic idea.

I hate this -- at the first sign of discomfort block him, walk away, run away, get out, leave. It'll never get better.

I dunno, this hurts.

[brownwomanisland]

I want to know who else is out there has an issue with speaking up?

When I was 12, I told a friend who I knew would tell my parents that my brother was molesting me. When we finally met, I realized that they spoke to him first and he was their golden child and whatever he said, I echoed because I was terrified. My mother is still a boy mom and my dad is a fucking loser.

When I was 14, I told a teacher. They told my mom. My mom told her friend who decided to ask me, what i didn't realize at the time, leading questions about me being gay (open secret). He decided that my lesbian experience was what I was talking about and not the escalating molestation from my brother.

My father blamed me for who I told, said it was my crush on the teacher. My mother called me a liar for months. Would shout at me in the hallway at home. Would wake me up at night to talk to me about myself, threatening to beat me. That went on for months until I stayed with my uncle briefly. It didn't improve when I came back home. Nobody did anything to protect me. They ripped up my police report. Stopped my psychologist visits. Pressured me to talk to my brother.

I was already cutting myself to deal with the fact that this was happening and nobody took my anger at my brother seriously. This boy used me as his own personal sex toy for years and ... started again or tried to start again when I was home from university. I don't know. Everybody I'm blood related to is a fucking poison in this world. Who's not a menace is a fucking coward.

There's so much to say and even though none of you know me, I still feel terrified that speaking up in anyway will ruin my life. I always wrote in my journal. I found out after my mother put me out that she went through it, deemed it all lies. I only started back writing comfortably in 2021 ish.

I wish I lived a different life almost everyday because I have to live every year seeing all my dreams be deferred. Sometimes I wish I did kill myself so I wouldn't have to deal with knowing that what I dream of may never come.

So yeah I panicked and deleted that other post because one of you assholes said I let my father treat me that way. But also, it is so so so so difficult to speak up. I live alone now and I have to practice EVERYTHING with EVERYONE so that I make sure I am safe. I work very hard to make sure every step I take will hopefully bring me closer to the life I deserve.

Don't let being online and being angry make you treat your sisters like trash. We're all fucking going through it. Our traumas probably look like intersecting venn diagrams.

[volo-thereforeiam]

西方女权主义者偷我们的 4B/6B4T 运动，然后又把激进女权搞成只有不谈恋爱、不化妆的女人才能加入的圈子？那她们到底图啥？偷来一个运动，结果搞得连女性群体里的一小部分人都难以参与？然后还有脸说什么‘每个国家对 4B 的理解不同’？拜托，不像我们中国或者韩国女性那样做，那就不是 4B。西方女权真是个笑话。

我倒不觉得西方女权是个笑话，但有些人真的网瘾晚期，完全不懂现实中的女权行动，也不会推广分离主义，搞得跟 cosplay 一样。4B 确实被偷走了，甚至是那些自称‘守门’的人也在乱来。现在 4B 变成了一个标志，让她们有理由去恶臭对待有对象或老公的女性，真的离谱到家，太悲剧了。

[blasphemouspat]

this is my first time hearing of 7b. what an excellent reminder for women like me who feel we have to engage with every man who tries to initiate an argument.

[6-beez]

Also mad respect for the South Korean feminists who created and popularized the 4b/6b4t movement in a country with extreme misogyny. We need to respect the roots of this movement and the women who spread it.

[shebelongstoshe]

I took a soaking bath the other day. I used to do this often along with making homemade meals for myself, taking myself on dates, and he just thought these things were incredibly stupid. I actually began to feel like they were a waste of time. I regret letting a man take me away from enjoying my own life. It's important to have a full life of taking care of yourself. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to build or rebuild this but it's paramount. I'm working on it myself Take care, give yourself happiness and love.

[brownwomanisland]

GROWING UP AS A GIRL BINGO:

By Age 12 Edition:

Rules: Please remember that this is voluntary. You do not have to share any of your responses if you do not want to or feel like you shouldn't or if you think it can be used to hurt you in any way. Do not feel obligated to participate in a visible way.

Tag as you need to. I'll just use what I know.

[ysabelmystic]

Can we please have a 4B patriarchy separatist movement without the transphobia? Pretty please? I get that we want to spite the patriarchy and having a uterus specifically, from experience, puts you at risk to a lot of awful dehumanizing shit from cishet men, but given that queerness is also antithetical to patriarchal norms, I don’t see how weird bioessentialist bullshit is productive to the cause. We could be overthrowing the government and making conservatives fear for their lives but nooooo we wanna get all ruffled about dick and pussy and pronouns 🙄🙄🙄. Idiots.