#6b4t movement

[gacha-incels]

some QRTs from the original thread which is of course also worth a read. the Chinese movement 6B4T is frequently subject to censorship online.

[somethin1somethin]

If you're a woman - reject men

This is not a joke. Your life will be even worse from now on because of them. The least you can do is to tie your tubes ASAP (if you can), stock up on birth control (in case you or some other woman will need it), and never sleep with men. There will be no one to opress you if you simply won't birth men.

If you own a business, hire only women. Money is power and men are desparate to take it away from all of you right now. Don't let them.

That's it. No amount of protests will be as sucsessful as 4b. Leave men behind and let them tear each other up.

[lesbianismstrength]

As a lesbian, I don't think lesbians can participate. Sure we can be allies and find common ground on the other points (boycotting beauty industry, seeking solidarity with women, etc) and uphold each other. But core of 4B is the boycot of dating/marrying men and starting families with them. For a lesbian not dating a man can never be a political action, it is our natural state of being. And this is about political action against the way women are treated in opposite sex relationships in this society.

I support the 4B movement, as long as they don't call themselves "political lesbians", this is what went wrong with female separatism in the 70s. It is not that sexual orientation is a choice or your orientation changes if you boycot men. The point is that despite being attracted to men (and maybe wanting children) the way it is organized for women in this society is so bad, you choose to go on a strike (if you participate in 4B). It is not my sacrifice to make as a lesbian. As a lesbian I have my own fight for equal rights and against homophobia.

Though as a woman I would benefit from the outcome as well. I'm from Europe and abortion is organized well in my country, but if abortion rights were at stake (like in the USA) I would also fight for this for my personal sake. If I'm raped, I still need abortion. So lots of things feminists of different sexual orientations can work together on, but I believe 4B specifically makes only sense for straight - and I think bisexual (?) - women.

In short: not every movement has to be inclusive for everyone, but we can still support each other!

As a lesbian, I've been feeling weird about the idea of calling myself a part of the 4B movement. I feel like being a part of it means that there's a sacrifice involved. I have no desire to be in a relationship with a man in the first place, so saying that I'm a part of the movement kind of feels like saying I'm giving up dairy if I'm lactose intolerant. Or a better analogy.

That all being said, do you think a lesbian can actually be a part of the 4B movement?

Yes

No

No nuance option, but perhaps give an option of saying that if you're a lesbian you don't want to weigh in? Like I don't feel like I can answer that question.

Maybe post this poll soon? Just because idk how long this'll be relevant. No pressure, though.

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inspired by this post

[jellyfishfem]

okay wait. american men said if you dont want to get pregnant, dont have sex. but now that women took their advice, they are throwing tantrums.

[feministfang]

We made a huge mistake by introducing 4b movement to these moronic American liberal feminists. I think just encouraging them to separate themselves from the males would have been enough. And gradually we could have introduce them to each aspect of the 6b4t. Now look at them ruining the hard work and sacrifices of South Korean women. I am certain there will come a time when american liberals will take the entire credit for the 4b movement shoving SK women aside just like they did with feminism. We shouldn’t let them do this! We need to take back 4b from them before they take it from us and ruin it.

[6-beez]

Also mad respect for the South Korean feminists who created and popularized the 4b/6b4t movement in a country with extreme misogyny. We need to respect the roots of this movement and the women who spread it.

[theyjustadmitthathuh]

“If we dont give men what they want then they’ll turn on women politically.”

Yes we know that’s why it’s important to not date or become financially attached to them in any way

[ysabelmystic]

Can we please have a 4B patriarchy separatist movement without the transphobia? Pretty please? I get that we want to spite the patriarchy and having a uterus specifically, from experience, puts you at risk to a lot of awful dehumanizing shit from cishet men, but given that queerness is also antithetical to patriarchal norms, I don’t see how weird bioessentialist bullshit is productive to the cause. We could be overthrowing the government and making conservatives fear for their lives but nooooo we wanna get all ruffled about dick and pussy and pronouns 🙄🙄🙄. Idiots.

[womenaremypriority]

Remember that men will try multiple manipulative techniques to turn you against 4B.

“You’ll be miserable when you’re old just like all single women!” Don’t care. Blocked.

“I’m a virgin, how does it affect me? I haven’t even been hugged.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“We’re all just glad you’re no longer sleeping around.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“Are you that angry you can’t kill babies that you’re no longer having sex?” Don’t care. Blocked.

“We’ll have sex with you anyway, you don’t have a choice.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“I didn’t vote for Trump! I’m a good guy!” Don’t care. Blocked.

4B is against male interests. Don’t be intimated by male whining in any form.

[omgitskangel]

4B

don’t date men

don’t have sex with men

don’t marry men

don’t have children with men

6B4T

the Bs

don’t date men

don’t have sex with men

don’t marry men

don’t have children with men

don’t buy products from misogynistic brands

support women

the Ts

reject toxic beauty standards

reject misogynistic otaku culture

reject religion

reject male worshipping fandom culture

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BRITISH COMMUNIST PARTY SAYS SEX WORK ISN'T WORK

To be more specific, they say the mantra "sex work is work" should be retracted by trade unionists and society at large.

Some highlights:

Women and girls should be able to secure well-paid jobs, good housing and education without the need to prostitute themselves. Prostitution is not a genuine and free choice; it is a survival behaviour, mostly engaged in by working class women and girls who suffer economic disadvantage.

Prostitution is inherently violent and requires in and of itself the subjugation of women and girls – there is no form of work where this could ever be acceptable.

Health and safety regulation is impossible in the sex trade: in any occupation that involves exposure to bodily fluids workers wear masks, gloves, gowns, and goggles to protect themselves. Prostitutes can never benefit from these levels of protection because of the nature of prostitution.

Extreme levels of violence, rape, degradation, and humiliation cannot be regulated against as they are part and parcel of prostitution. Such levels of harm against workers in work would never be tolerated. Women in prostitution experience more physical and sexual violence that women on average. A study by Germany’s federal Ministry for Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth reports that 41% of women in prostitution experience physical or sexual violence, or both, in the context of prostitution.

The sexual sadism that prostitutes are exposed to causes the type of physical internal injuries and psychological trauma that should never be accepted in the world of work.

The murder rate is particularly high in the sex trade. Prostitutes are almost nine times more likely to be killed than soldiers in combat. Legalisation of the sex trade does not protect the lives of prostitutes. Since Germany’s legalisation of the sex trade in 2022, there have been 85 homicides of prostituted persons committed by clients. In addition, there have been at least 49 attempted homicides.

Pregnancy and even multiple pregnancies are risks arising out of prostitution which have adverse implications for the woman herself, for children born out of prostitution, and for society itself. This should never be accepted as an overhead of “employment”.

The high levels of substance use necessary to enable prostitutes to cope with the abusive practices of the men who buy sex should never be tolerated in the world of work.

Alternating bolding for readability.

Highly suggest reading the whole thing!

[blackpilljesus]

Dont get your hopes up with the uptick in interest of the 4B movement. Most of these women are just in shock and will eventually return to their nigels or nigel-hunting when the emotions settle down. I've seen countless women bragging about their fucking nigels whilst claiming to be part of 4B & other women encourage this. "My man voted Harris with me he's one of the good ones but yeah I'm part of the 4B now & my hubby supports the movement too 🥰". They're using this as a way to scare moids into behaving still underestimating the situation at hand here. Nothing has been learnt as nothing has ever been learnt over the course of thousands of years. Worry about yourself and serious women only lest you will be used. Dont let these women drag you into their bs we saw what happened with feminism.

PS I guarantee their fuckass nigels voted trump behind their backs.

[radicalli57]

Just shows how absolutely blind women are to how beauty culture works, we ain’t never getting out of it if women continue to hold a male’s approval as paramount. Also the women next in line to the males who perpetuate the industry need to be called out.

Believe me when I say many of these women are completely aware of how misogynistic and patriarchal-centered the notion of “attractiveness��� and the beauty industry is, they don’t care that it hurts women, they profit off it. At their own expense really, they appear blindly stupid to every male, yet they see themselves as “Hot gurl baddie so feminist and free!🤪”

[feministfang]

As much as i love to see the sudden rise in American women joining the 4B movement, I fear they are gonna turn it into another liberal feminist movement. They don’t even know what 4B movement actually stands for. They are so stupid. A girl is promoting it to her followers on tiktok while putting on makeup on her face. Some "feminist" guy is saying it’s about women separating themselves from male trump voters. Another girl literally commented somewhere that she is only joining the 4B movement, not 6b4t because she still wants her male friends in her life and idk what the fuck she meant by that. These clowns ruined the whole feminism, they are gonna do the same thing with the 4B movement. We shouldn’t get too excited for now. We are not winning yet. Instead, let’s promote the 6b4t movement. Make posts everywhere about what it is and tell them that it’s a RADICAL FEMINIST movement, not liberal. Otherwise, there will come a time when liberal feminists will take it over and start ditching us out of it for not being trans-inclusive and male friendly.

[6-beez]

One facet of female solidarity that needs more discussion is anti consumerism and anti consumption. Our current western mindset is one of obtaining as much as possible, both as a show of wealth and for personal comfort. However, much of what we buy (for example, fast fashion) is produced in a non-transparent supply chain that frequently relies on female and Global South labor to make goods cheap and easily affordable, and thus more tempting for the consumer. These low wages that are paid to workers result in economic desperation and trap women in poorly paid, often abusive positions. Additionally, women and children are the most at risk from the negative effects of climate change, which is exacerbated by industrialization and over production.

By consuming less we reduce support for these predatory supply chains and their deleterious effects on the environment. Ideally if we buy goods, they are from female owned businesses whenever possible. Personally I also avoid spending money on items that enforce the beauty standard (this includes makeup, uncomfortable or impractical clothes or shoes, and cosmetic procedures). Essentially, what ways could you support female solidarity through consumption habits?