#6b4t movement

[gacha-incels]

some QRTs from the original thread which is of course also worth a read. the Chinese movement 6B4T is frequently subject to censorship online.

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inspired by this post

[ysabelmystic]

Can we please have a 4B patriarchy separatist movement without the transphobia? Pretty please? I get that we want to spite the patriarchy and having a uterus specifically, from experience, puts you at risk to a lot of awful dehumanizing shit from cishet men, but given that queerness is also antithetical to patriarchal norms, I don’t see how weird bioessentialist bullshit is productive to the cause. We could be overthrowing the government and making conservatives fear for their lives but nooooo we wanna get all ruffled about dick and pussy and pronouns 🙄🙄🙄. Idiots.

[lebensmudewing]

Men don't care about the facts

I once met a die hard misogynist who also hated men

He refused to date women and made a lot of efforst to not have any kind of relationship with them. To talk to him I had to wait two weeks since he was doing a vow of silence to not talk to any women.

He told me he left an english academia, because a woman started to talk to him and trying to hang out with him. Of course, I don't talk to him anymore.

He was and as far as I know still is, a genuine MGTOW. He just left women alone and minded his business. But he wasn't a high IQ successful six figures as MGTOW swear all men can become if they stop dating women. He usually drove while drunk, didn't had a career or a real job, lived with mom and dad and had a family completely progressive and contrary to his values. He also used to bet.

His misogyny was rampant, inflammatory and sophisticated. But he also seemed to hate men. He had a huge prejudice against men, he said that they are predatory, inherently selfish and violent.

But there was a major difference, he also believed that men are superior, that men are smarter, more beautiful, with mind and soul. So every bad characteristic had to be forgiven, while women had to be tightly controlled and punished.

And he acted accordingly, when I showed him a clip of a woman being harassed, it was her fault. If the woman rejected the man and the man exploded violently, it was her fault for not rejecting him nicely. If the woman tried to be polite and still molested, it was her fault for not being more clear.

He was aware of the constant damned if you do, damned if you don't rethoric and didn't have a problem with it. It was part of the principles, because women had to be punished and put on their place. Logic and fairness were not a problem for him, in fact, I believe that for him women had to endure the mistreatment since they were inferior.

Nowadays, everytime I see men talking about women online I see that man talking. It's always the same, doesn't matter who say it, with what words, the nuances of it. It all comes from the same place and it's the same game. Logic doesn't matter, facts don't matter, fairness doesn't matter.

I feel frustated everytime I see women online trying to educate men and respond to them. I understand the importance of counteract male bullshit stories, but everything seems to operate from men's frame. It's us responding to them, instead of them trying to convince us.

For example, the idea that men are entitled to fuck around a lot of women and demand a virgin bride. Everyone ask, well if all women have to remain virgin till marriage, with whom those men will have sex? And I can't help but feel that this is a loser move.

Men don't care about the maths, they care about what benefits them. If when young they feel like fucking around and then later they feel like settling and don't find the promised virgin wife, then it's not "my behavior was wrong" or "I have contributed to the problem", is a "women are the problem and society has to fix it for me". They are not thinking long term, they think it what they want now.

It is not a lack of math what makes them think this way, for them the pieces of the puzzle are fitting perfectly. Women have to gatekeep, be submissive, not think in their own desires and try to please them. They have a whole fantasy around being a kind of predator or a seductor who has conquered the virgin innocent women and has corrupted her, making her impure and damaged. They want to spend their lifes doing that and then settle with women who could not be conquered before.

Their whole self steem and validation relies on that. If a woman wants it and seek it, then they are not worth as much, since they don't have to put any effort or force. It's cheap and easy. If a woman has been with others before, then he is below those men.

It's perfectly logical for them, actually. When they become fathers, they still see themselves as part of the puzzle. Men who want to conquer his daughter have to conquer him too.

Of course, this take doesn't apply to all men perfectly, but all of them have a version of this idea. It seems inherent to men. Men who are succesful with women are sexist but benevolent and men who are not are hostile and misogynistic. Men who are good with women are good because they are getting validation from them, not because they are moral deconstructed people with strong feminist values.

They can't think of women as people by default, their view on them is conditioned on how they see themselves and what they have obtained from women. Their narratives and ideas stem from this, they don't respond to any external logic, their internal clock is right everytime of the year and your facts and math can't and won't change that.

It is said that if women would start act differently, men will act accordingly. I see more truth on it, but it won't solve everything. Not only because of the male allies, but because men will still act whitin their frame. If all women start to reject men, an unknown number of men will act from their entitlement and could literally kill us before seeking inside or listening to women about what they actually want. If women start to set the standard high and only reproduce with decent men, a lot of men will be excluded and will protest and sabotage.

Their firmware remains the same, they are superior, they worth more, they are entitled to you, you owe them something. It's not possible to reason a man out of that, so stop trying wasting your time and mental health on it. If they wanted to reach out, they would and they don't.

[coye]

American women who voted for Kamala Harris, make sure to support and join the 4B movement. She lost the election, but our fight for our rights isn't over!

[feministfang]

Decentering men doesn’t only mean to not make men the centre of your worlds, it also means to stop interacting with them and severe all ties with them because some of you automatically lose all your braincells whenever you fall in love with these men and don’t even realise you’re making them the centre of your lives again. I am tired of hearing women saying they’re part of 4B movement too and the next thing they say is how their boyfriends are not trash because they support radical feminism too. You can’t have boyfriends and join the 4B movement at the same time. 4B movement is about boycotting men completely. Support it if you want, but in order to join it, break up or divorce! Men can’t be a part of it! Sorry!

[radfemverity]

When he kept trying to coerce me during sex into taking a facial. He’d repeatedly move his dick closer to my face whenever I was distracted/getting relaxed, to try and spring it on me before I had a chance to turn away, because I had always made it clear to him that I don’t like facials.

He didn’t care for my lack of consent, he just saw my body as an object to masturbate with.

The fact that sex with men is an unendingly conscious negotiation where you can never just fully relax and enjoy the ride, instead having to be continually mindful of any opportunity they may take to ware down a previously set boundary, or spring it on us at the very last minute, proves that it is just not worth it to begin with.

This was the time I ever had sex with or dated a man. Never again.

[allwomenjointhe4bmovement]

While men are killing women & girls, misogynists are still saying "gender war is so boring both sides should cut it out". The thing is that they never want to talk about the fact that there is no war, there is massive femicide. Gender war doesn't exist in real life! Misandry doesn't exist in real life! Femicide exists!!!

This is why I say people who hate Taylor Swift are a huge fvcking red flag!

The boy who did it gets privacy but the victims and the families of the victims don't!

I'm tired of seeing videos of the victims' families crying, for once I would like to see the k!ller getting what he deserves!

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BRITISH COMMUNIST PARTY SAYS SEX WORK ISN'T WORK

To be more specific, they say the mantra "sex work is work" should be retracted by trade unionists and society at large.

Some highlights:

Women and girls should be able to secure well-paid jobs, good housing and education without the need to prostitute themselves. Prostitution is not a genuine and free choice; it is a survival behaviour, mostly engaged in by working class women and girls who suffer economic disadvantage.

Prostitution is inherently violent and requires in and of itself the subjugation of women and girls – there is no form of work where this could ever be acceptable.

Health and safety regulation is impossible in the sex trade: in any occupation that involves exposure to bodily fluids workers wear masks, gloves, gowns, and goggles to protect themselves. Prostitutes can never benefit from these levels of protection because of the nature of prostitution.

Extreme levels of violence, rape, degradation, and humiliation cannot be regulated against as they are part and parcel of prostitution. Such levels of harm against workers in work would never be tolerated. Women in prostitution experience more physical and sexual violence that women on average. A study by Germany’s federal Ministry for Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth reports that 41% of women in prostitution experience physical or sexual violence, or both, in the context of prostitution.

The sexual sadism that prostitutes are exposed to causes the type of physical internal injuries and psychological trauma that should never be accepted in the world of work.

The murder rate is particularly high in the sex trade. Prostitutes are almost nine times more likely to be killed than soldiers in combat. Legalisation of the sex trade does not protect the lives of prostitutes. Since Germany’s legalisation of the sex trade in 2022, there have been 85 homicides of prostituted persons committed by clients. In addition, there have been at least 49 attempted homicides.

Pregnancy and even multiple pregnancies are risks arising out of prostitution which have adverse implications for the woman herself, for children born out of prostitution, and for society itself. This should never be accepted as an overhead of “employment”.

The high levels of substance use necessary to enable prostitutes to cope with the abusive practices of the men who buy sex should never be tolerated in the world of work.

Alternating bolding for readability.

Highly suggest reading the whole thing!

[letters-of-libertas]

Ending this series about friendships on a positive note - green flags in relationships with women. Based on my female friendships I've had that's lasted years; full of enrichment & has taught me a lot in life.

They respect your boundaries - women that respect how you want to engage show a level of value + respect they have for you. Should be a basic thing but it is a good sign if you're able to express being uncomfortable with or talking about something & they respect it.

They have life beyond maIes - Be it seeking their validation, or obsessing over them in a positive/negative way. When you're with them they're not constantly talking about maIes or throwing you under the bus for them. Vital as a single childfree woman as you're less likely to be burdened with picking up the slack womens nigels leave behind.

You feel nourished after spending time with them - Friendships should add to your wellbeing. The world is tough as is; having good friends will make getting through it easier.

They keep it real - You can talk through issues with them. They can tell you when you're messing up (as well as when you're doing good) and put it in ways for your own good & not to be condescending. You can have minor disagreements & it doesn't lead to a major argument or fallout.

You can count on them - Note count and depend are two different things. You dont want to depend on others but realistically we need others; them being able to help you to an extent as you would with them is important. Help doesnt have to be financial or even physical but even just emotional support can go a long way.

They shut down negative talk about you - if they're in company where people are saying negative things about you they would defend you because they care about you. They wouldn't indulge or be comfortable letting people crap on you otherwise.

There's pacing - As the saying goes; fast wont last, slow will grow. Typically the closest friendships you have come from the least expected people/places and bc of that lack of expectation overtime the relationship had a chance to naturally grow. I think part of why many female friendships tend to be toxic and end horribly is because they're rushed. They get too close too quick leaving no room for inspection. Dopamine & adrenaline is running high, you feel like you're on cloud 9 with them even as doubt starts to crop up but eventually the pressure gets too much and everything bursts - ending abruptly.

As difficult as it can be to find & make solid female friendships; give yourself time, you can find good ones out there that are worth it, uplift you, and improve your life as a single childfree woman and generally speaking.

[mithliya]

i feel like some of you do genuinely need to go offline tho bc of all things to have a victim-complex about, being simply told not to date men should not be one of them. that is quite literally what every woman has been raised to believe her purpose is. women are literally treated as inferior failures with no value if we, for whatever reason (including innate sexuality), do not want to be with men. you will live through your boyfriend being called jakey, and you will also live through being told you're not a radfem because you have a boyfriend. it will not kill you, i promise. you will be ok. go offline, kiss your precious boyfriend, and maybe go on a nice picnic date together so you can remember just how normal and accepted, even encouraged, heterosexual relationships are.

[blackpilljesus]

If women can go to any length coming up with endless ways to mitigate risks of abuse, assault, and murder when it comes to dating & reproducing with maIes; then the same can be done when it comes to the risks of not associating with maIes. If one method fails, we simply learn from it and try again. In the end it all boils down to what's worth it.

[uramitashi]

Everytime a woman thinks "i want a boyfriend" she should be shown those screens as a precautional advice

[radfemcroatia]

American women are waking up?

Link to thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/tZFrJIK4hF

Could Trump's victory radicalize more women?

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Men can never and will never be worth it in this society. 4b/6b4t

[letters-of-libertas]

Handling relationships with women (tldr here) generally is a topic/question I've seen float around a lot in single childfree women spaces and if I'm being real as a single childfree woman if you're serious about committing to this; your circle of deep quality friends will be so small it'll practically be a dot because in a maIe supemacist society so much of female bonding relies on things that would center maIes (& uphold misogyny) so when you dont do these things of course you'll find yourself at odds with making good connections with women especially as so many women center maIes.

There will be a degree of being alone as a single childfree woman. Personally this doesn't bother me as I'm not someone who makes or want a lot of friends anyways; the ones I have in my life are amazing but I'm not a very social person or trust people. On the note on trust I'll add this comment I saw on the female separatist sub on reddit. I think it hits the nail on the head regarding female friendships generally.

Practically speaking, keep maIe centric women, women that ascribe to libfem politics, maIe partnering women etc at arms length distance. You can have good or decent relations with them & keep conversations on non-maIe or non-political things. Even if they circle conversations back to these things, try and take it away again but if it gets too much this is where boundaries come in and you can express that you dont feel comfortable talking about those topics or just walk away from the conversation & talk to them another time, no need to get into why beyond stating you're not comfortable talking about it. I have a couple friends who have boyfriends & they're generally cool. One of them whenever we'd hang out she'd ask how my love life is going (& my answer is always the same - there is no love life) & ik it's a general topic for people but eventually I told her I dont like talking about it & she was cool with it. If your friends rock with you they'll respect your boundaries.

One thing about friendships in real life is that they aren't like the movies where you get a gang of friends or a special friend where you just click & go through the ups + downs of life together. Finding quality relationships is hard especially as a marginalised person. I've realised you dont have to be close with people. It's okay to be an acquaintance or for people to have their roles & purpose.

So when it comes to dealing with maIe centric women generally that are your friends or that you've got a soft spot for, dont get too close to them, dont expect much from them but you in turn dont give too much to them. Keep them at arms length distance - this is important as some of these women can eventually screw you over badly. Be friendly acquaintances with them.

Btw even if you were gender conforming & did everything expected from women it'd still be hard to make friendships with other women given how toxic women can be towards each other, also eventually they'd prioritise maIes over you regardless but just use you in the end.

A while ago I spoke about how I believe this is a lifestyle that chooses you & while you dont have to be a recluse hermit it's not uncommon that women who tend to be introverted & keep to themselves are drawn to this lifestyle. There's less external influence from the maIe-centric world at large making it easier to prioritise yourself and build life beyond romance & reproduction.