#6b4t movement

[brownwomanisland]

I want to know who else is out there has an issue with speaking up?

When I was 12, I told a friend who I knew would tell my parents that my brother was molesting me. When we finally met, I realized that they spoke to him first and he was their golden child and whatever he said, I echoed because I was terrified. My mother is still a boy mom and my dad is a fucking loser.

When I was 14, I told a teacher. They told my mom. My mom told her friend who decided to ask me, what i didn't realize at the time, leading questions about me being gay (open secret). He decided that my lesbian experience was what I was talking about and not the escalating molestation from my brother.

My father blamed me for who I told, said it was my crush on the teacher. My mother called me a liar for months. Would shout at me in the hallway at home. Would wake me up at night to talk to me about myself, threatening to beat me. That went on for months until I stayed with my uncle briefly. It didn't improve when I came back home. Nobody did anything to protect me. They ripped up my police report. Stopped my psychologist visits. Pressured me to talk to my brother.

I was already cutting myself to deal with the fact that this was happening and nobody took my anger at my brother seriously. This boy used me as his own personal sex toy for years and ... started again or tried to start again when I was home from university. I don't know. Everybody I'm blood related to is a fucking poison in this world. Who's not a menace is a fucking coward.

There's so much to say and even though none of you know me, I still feel terrified that speaking up in anyway will ruin my life. I always wrote in my journal. I found out after my mother put me out that she went through it, deemed it all lies. I only started back writing comfortably in 2021 ish.

I wish I lived a different life almost everyday because I have to live every year seeing all my dreams be deferred. Sometimes I wish I did kill myself so I wouldn't have to deal with knowing that what I dream of may never come.

So yeah I panicked and deleted that other post because one of you assholes said I let my father treat me that way. But also, it is so so so so difficult to speak up. I live alone now and I have to practice EVERYTHING with EVERYONE so that I make sure I am safe. I work very hard to make sure every step I take will hopefully bring me closer to the life I deserve.

Don't let being online and being angry make you treat your sisters like trash. We're all fucking going through it. Our traumas probably look like intersecting venn diagrams.

[pixiesafica]

Same, I spend my money on books and stuff I like now. I have got lot of clothes this year too but most of them are second hand I got for free from both sections, lots of basics actually. Also I spend less on cosmetics, I want to finish my cleanser and solid shampoo because I'm going to use glycerin for my hair, face and body. It's much cheaper and natural.

i finally buy clothes almost exclusively from the men's section because it is so much more comfortable. i finally spend almost all of my disposable income on books, investments and intoxicants. i finally have three meals a day. and my desire to be the prettiest person in the room is finally replaced by my desire to be the smartest person in the room <33

[gacha-incels]

some QRTs from the original thread which is of course also worth a read. the Chinese movement 6B4T is frequently subject to censorship online.

[somethin1somethin]

If you're a woman - reject men

This is not a joke. Your life will be even worse from now on because of them. The least you can do is to tie your tubes ASAP (if you can), stock up on birth control (in case you or some other woman will need it), and never sleep with men. There will be no one to opress you if you simply won't birth men.

If you own a business, hire only women. Money is power and men are desparate to take it away from all of you right now. Don't let them.

That's it. No amount of protests will be as sucsessful as 4b. Leave men behind and let them tear each other up.

[drizne]

Excerpt from the speech "Remembering the Witches", from Andrea Dworkin's "Our Blood"

"Men tell us that they too are "oppressed". They tell us that they are often in their individual lives victimized by women -- by mothers, wives and "girlfriends". They tell us that women provoke acts of violence through our carnality, or malice, or avarice, or vanity, or stupidity. They tell us that their violence originates in us and that we are responsible for it. They tell us that their lives are full of pain, and that we are its source. They tell us that as mothers we injure them irreparably, as wives we castrate them, as lovers we steal from them semen, youth and manhood -- and never, never, as mothers, wives, or lovers do we ever give them enough.

And what are we to think? Because if we being to piece together all of the instances of violence -- the rapes, the assaults, the cripplings, the killings, the mass slaughters; if we read their novels, poems, political and philosophical tracts and see that they think of us today what the Inquisitors thought of us yesterday; if we realize that historically gynocide is not some mistake, some accidental excess, some dreadful fluke, but is instead the logical consequence of what they believe to be our god-given or biological natures; then we must finally understand that under patriarchy gynocide is the ongoing reality of life lived by women. And then we must look to each other -- for the courage to bear it and for the courage to change it.

The struggle of women, the feminist struggle, is not a struggle for more money per hour, or for equal rights under male law, or for more women legislators who will operate within the confines of male law. These are all emergency measures, designed to safe women's lives, as many as possible, now, today. But these reforms will not stem the tide of gynocide; these reforms will not end the relentless violence perpetrated by the gender class men against the gender class women. These reforms will not stop the increasing rape epidemic in this country, or the wife-beating epidemic in England. They will not stop the sterilizations of black and poor white women who are the victims of male doctors who hate female carnality. These reforms will not empty mental institutions of women put into them by male relatives who hate them for rebelling against the limits of the female role, or against the conditions of female servitude. They will not empty prisons filled with women who, in order to survive, whored; or who, after being raped, killed the rapist; or who, while being beaten, killed the man who was killing them. These reforms will not stop men from living off exploited female domestic labor, nor will these reforms stop men from reinforcing male identity by psychologically victimizing women in so-called "love" relationships.

And no personal accommodation within the system of patriarchy will stop this relentless gynocide. Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's daughter is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.

Before we can live and love, we will have to hone ourselves into a revolutionary sisterhood. That means that we must stop supporting the men who oppress us; that we must refuse to feed and clothe and clean up after them; that we must refuse to let them take their sustenance from our lives. That means that we will have to divest ourselves of the identity we have been trained to as females -- that we will have to divest ourselves of all traces of the masochism we have been told is synonymous with being female. That means that we will have to attack and destroy every institution, law, philosophy, religion, custom, and habit of this patriarchy that feeds on our "dirty" blood, that is build on our "trivial" labor."

[its-terf-or-nothin]

[centeringme]

This is… probably not going to be very well worded but…

I like the 4b movement. I can’t completely cut men out because I’m financially dependent on my parents still, but I really want to. My real issue with follow through is this guy I ‘like’ (by which I mean I tolerate him, and we’re kinda? friends). I want to cut him off, but there’s a tiny little part of me that’s terrified of doing so because he’s the only guy I’ve met that’s not a complete monster (as of yet). I have a habit of ‘preparing’ and making backup plans, and the tiny part of me that wants to keep him is terrified that I’ll somehow get stuck in my parents church (they’re mormons) and if I do I’ll get stuck being some über-conservative blatantly misogynistic guys tradwife.

does anyone have advice for ‘overcoming’ this fear?

[lesbianismstrength]

As a lesbian, I don't think lesbians can participate. Sure we can be allies and find common ground on the other points (boycotting beauty industry, seeking solidarity with women, etc) and uphold each other. But core of 4B is the boycot of dating/marrying men and starting families with them. For a lesbian not dating a man can never be a political action, it is our natural state of being. And this is about political action against the way women are treated in opposite sex relationships in this society.

I support the 4B movement, as long as they don't call themselves "political lesbians", this is what went wrong with female separatism in the 70s. It is not that sexual orientation is a choice or your orientation changes if you boycot men. The point is that despite being attracted to men (and maybe wanting children) the way it is organized for women in this society is so bad, you choose to go on a strike (if you participate in 4B). It is not my sacrifice to make as a lesbian. As a lesbian I have my own fight for equal rights and against homophobia.

Though as a woman I would benefit from the outcome as well. I'm from Europe and abortion is organized well in my country, but if abortion rights were at stake (like in the USA) I would also fight for this for my personal sake. If I'm raped, I still need abortion. So lots of things feminists of different sexual orientations can work together on, but I believe 4B specifically makes only sense for straight - and I think bisexual (?) - women.

In short: not every movement has to be inclusive for everyone, but we can still support each other!

As a lesbian, I've been feeling weird about the idea of calling myself a part of the 4B movement. I feel like being a part of it means that there's a sacrifice involved. I have no desire to be in a relationship with a man in the first place, so saying that I'm a part of the movement kind of feels like saying I'm giving up dairy if I'm lactose intolerant. Or a better analogy.

That all being said, do you think a lesbian can actually be a part of the 4B movement?

Yes

No

No nuance option, but perhaps give an option of saying that if you're a lesbian you don't want to weigh in? Like I don't feel like I can answer that question.

Maybe post this poll soon? Just because idk how long this'll be relevant. No pressure, though.

-🐌

[6-beez]

Also mad respect for the South Korean feminists who created and popularized the 4b/6b4t movement in a country with extreme misogyny. We need to respect the roots of this movement and the women who spread it.

[womenaremypriority]

Remember that men will try multiple manipulative techniques to turn you against 4B.

“You’ll be miserable when you’re old just like all single women!” Don’t care. Blocked.

“I’m a virgin, how does it affect me? I haven’t even been hugged.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“We’re all just glad you’re no longer sleeping around.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“Are you that angry you can’t kill babies that you’re no longer having sex?” Don’t care. Blocked.

“We’ll have sex with you anyway, you don’t have a choice.” Don’t care. Blocked.

“I didn’t vote for Trump! I’m a good guy!” Don’t care. Blocked.

4B is against male interests. Don’t be intimated by male whining in any form.

[raddyretsuko1]

[brownwomanisland]

Sometimes I read things and I go: straight with extra steps, gay with extra steps, lesbian with extra steps, gay man fetish spotted, lesbian woman fetish spotted. That whole thing is so ... counterproductive. Also not funny but a little funny how "TM" are always ignored. We told you this was sex based oppression and you didn't listen.

And I really leave it alone because I rather post about it on my own than trying to convince people in their comment section. Because we know people have doubts. And I rather they come here so we can talk about the importance of female liberation, education, independence. Nobody to argue that I'm a right winger or something. No, let's talk about the holistic cause of women. Let's talk about the small day to day things we can teach and do and give women back control of their lives piece by piece.

And unfortunately it cannot be spoken about without one of those people creeping into it. I remember reading the good reads reviews of Caroline Criado-Perez's "Invisible Women" and how reviewers gave it 2 stars for not talking about "TW" like ???? "I am feel uncomfortable when we are not about me".

[omgitskangel]

4B

don’t date men

don’t have sex with men

don’t marry men

don’t have children with men

6B4T

the Bs

don’t date men

don’t have sex with men

don’t marry men

don’t have children with men

don’t buy products from misogynistic brands

support women

the Ts

reject toxic beauty standards

reject misogynistic otaku culture

reject religion

reject male worshipping fandom culture

[jellyfishfem]

okay wait. american men said if you dont want to get pregnant, dont have sex. but now that women took their advice, they are throwing tantrums.

[feministfang]

We made a huge mistake by introducing 4b movement to these moronic American liberal feminists. I think just encouraging them to separate themselves from the males would have been enough. And gradually we could have introduce them to each aspect of the 6b4t. Now look at them ruining the hard work and sacrifices of South Korean women. I am certain there will come a time when american liberals will take the entire credit for the 4b movement shoving SK women aside just like they did with feminism. We shouldn’t let them do this! We need to take back 4b from them before they take it from us and ruin it.

[ysabelmystic]

Can we please have a 4B patriarchy separatist movement without the transphobia? Pretty please? I get that we want to spite the patriarchy and having a uterus specifically, from experience, puts you at risk to a lot of awful dehumanizing shit from cishet men, but given that queerness is also antithetical to patriarchal norms, I don’t see how weird bioessentialist bullshit is productive to the cause. We could be overthrowing the government and making conservatives fear for their lives but nooooo we wanna get all ruffled about dick and pussy and pronouns 🙄🙄🙄. Idiots.