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It's all "you guys need to understand how SUBTEXT and CODING are usually the only confirmation of representation queer people get in media especially in older media" but once that subtext and coding is used to say a character might be aro or ace coded/have aro/ace subtext then suddenly it's not a valid way to claim representation. Then it's only "headcanon" or "not confirmed" like do you all hear yourselves? It'd be so much easier to say you hate aro/ace ppl at this rate!
#text#aro#ace#aroace#aromantic#asexual#'thats not what the creator intended' when has that ever stopped queer ppl from finding queer rep?#its just obvious a lot of queer ppl dont include aro and ace ppl as queer#it was so blatantly obvious with out everyone threw the idea of subtext and coding out the window#when it came to ppl complaining abt riverdale erasing jugheads aroace identity#suddenly subtext and coding didnt matter when it was an aroace character#suddenly 'different iterations always change the characters sexuality! there is no canon!'#and it only happened to shut up aro and ace ppl who were rightfully upset#that our identities were thrown to the curb on one of our only representation in medua
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Are true riverdale fans of the opinion it is a very good and nearly flawless show or does being a true riverdale fan mean being able to mock writing choices
it's long-running serial television plotted a season/half at a time so definitely not even "nearly" flawless.
BUT. i'm not doing combat with the writing team. i'm not actively reading against the text the way i have to in order to enjoy something like supernatural or the 90s robin comics or the fucking sopranos, which are patriarchal christiancore copworld rapeworld white supremacist horrorshows that hate their minority audiences, with like 2 good creatives involved and martyring themselves to fight the good fight on sparse rare installments if you try to approach them sincerely.
riverdale writing staff are like a favorite smart problematic tumblr mutual to me. I don't always like what's on their blog or who they're referencing. but we're in the same community and i'm interested and inspired and i trust their agenda overall, even when i see shit i wouldn't have fucking posted. but bc i'm not being condescended to or actively spited i'm not gonna condescend to or spite them, you know?
i expect rvd to age like twin peaks (another very uneven, highly referential serial juggling a couple of intensely cool metanarratives on top of its core story). and twin peaks fandom mocks twin peaks all the time. twin peaks includes some CLUNKY shit. it's kitsch. it's camp. it has a second season that is largely ASS. james is there. and on top of that it also includes some genuinely offputting-to-me stuff that just bothers me to sit through, even though i feel like i understand and respect what they're going for with it. i just don't want to watch someone sweep the fucking bar for minutes and minutes as entertainment. OK!!?
...so yeah. mock riverdale but in the right spirit. is that an answer? do i sound like i'm chugging the flavoraid koolaid fresh-aid? probably.
#i like the way people mock the flop parts of twin peaks and i enjoy it when people mock the flop parts of riverdale in the same tone#but rvd NOT one of those shows where the fandom is the thing that makes it good by appropriating and rearranging it. like some listed above#riverdale isn't dumb. it's not thoughtless. it's a lowbrow postmodern love letter to trash media and it takes a lot of big risky swings.#and its juggling act does NOT always work in practice. i don't always agree with the tradeoffs it takes to balance like.#the mainline text AND the queer subtext AND the fanfictiony iterative media riffs AND the genre meta AND the actual canonical metaplot#but it really does reward curiosity and close-reading. it's like a little puzzle cube you have to turn over a few times sometimes to solve#i feel judgmental about people who hit 'post' on what's obviously like a very surface level reaction without much thought put into it#ohhh the show challenged you? the show folded continuity over on itself and you can't hang anymore? you didn't get what you expected?#and now you're being dismissive instead of sitting with it? ok. dork.#riverdale#(it's not really that serious. but you asked and i'm feeling so so very earnest about Posting today. love you thanks for asking)#(would love to know what parts you most want to mock. i have my own list. eNdGaMe is at the top of it. jughead's mommy issues era too)
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TIL that theres aphobes on Tumblr trying to claim that Jughead Jones has actually been gay coded the whole time and that saying he's ace is homophobic I fucking hate it here
#as an ace person who grew up on the archie comics this really pissed me off#like theres literally a canon gay charecter in the comics why do you have to take the one charecter aces have#and honestly i have yet to see anyone actually do proper analysis and explain in what way the charecter is gay coded at all#the only point ive seen anyone make that supposedly reveals his “obvious gay coding”#is that he was never intrested in women in the comics#WELL GUESS WHAT#HE WASENT INTRESTED IN MEN EITHER#IN FACT HE WASNT INTRESTED IN ANYONE#AND EXPRESSED DISTASTE IN THE CONCEPT OF SEX AND ROMANCE ENTIRELY#YOU KNOW WHAT ORIENTATION THAT SOUNDS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE?#HMMM I DONT KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE FOLKS#I CANT QUITE PUT MY FINGER ON IT#VOTE NOW ON YOUR PHONES#im so tired of this shit#can people just let us exist please#jughead jones#archie comics#asexual#aromantic#aroace#ace discourse#aphobia#tw swearing
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💡 In another universe, billy would be alive and managed to get away with the murders and raised sam as a single father (billy stole her from christina /j)
#lets ignore the fact that in the wiki he canonically would not be a loving father k?#his ass in this au would still be a bad influence in a way though#yes i'm referencing sam's and billy's relationship the same as FB and jughead#sam carpenter#billy loomis#scream#au
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no but like what is up with the wider shipping community and their way of allowashing clearly aspec-coded characters. or hell. even canon confirmed aspec characters. this amanormativity shit is making me tired. does a character really need to wear a giant shirt that says “i’m asexual” or “i’m aromantic” or “i’m aroace” in all caps and flaming text to tell everyone not to ship them the same way allo characters get shipped. we are not a monolith but i know i can sure as hell say our experiences will never be the same as an allo person’s
#this post was made after i read up about what they did to jughead in riverdale#i have never read archie comics but i knew jughead for years because he was a canon aroace#and then it led me to think about my other blorbos who are also clearly aspec#who got allowashed to hell in shipping#motherfucking. ford pines. miles edgeworth. EVEN LITERALLY SAIKI KUSUO#kiwi’s calls#kiwi’s aspec posting#aspec
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just wanna formally apologize to anyone i've been INTENSE about Riverdale to. not because i love Riverdale. because Jughead Jones is canonically touch-averse and aroace and i will never, EVER, evereverevereverever forgive Riverdale for willfully ignoring that.
also, they barely showed our boy with any burgers or fries or milkshakes or gummy worms or any kind of food throughout the whole show. a travesty. dude held a PC controller maybe once. and uh, i don't think they ever had him playing his drum set. ...they tried to do the whole music thing, but The Archies never happened on Riverdale. could have been a great way to keep Josie and the Pussycats in the picture as crossovers between the two comic lines (and additionally, with Sabrina The Teenage Witch) have commonly been used to keep stories going, but it just dissolved before it could even start. anyway, Jughead Jones was born to eat burgers, dispense witty remarks on his friends’ social drama, wage prank wars and play drums, it's literally his destiny (and so is being Archie's best bud).
and like.
here's the thing.
i know, i know, i know that Riverdale isn't the Archie Comics. it's "edgy" or whatever. but like, have you ever read the Archie Comics?????? there are hundreds of storylines more edgy than Riverdale's and in (probably) every single one of them, Jughead eats more net burgers than he eats in all 7 seasons of Riverdale. he has his little angsty plots and crazy nonsensical adventures and is never as deprived of food and games as he is in Riverdale.
he's been this way since 1939, when the Archie Comics first came about. granted, video games didn't exist then, but his whole deal has always been eating burgers and being Archie's best pal. he's a breath of fresh air, a glass of cold water to the face for Archie and the gang to snap them out of their various problems (mostly love- and dating-related, but sometimes friendship- or science or general-good-time-adventure-related). he is often the voice of reason, which is why Riverdale!Jughead doesn't really work. original Jughead has a unique perspective, being primarily preoccupied with food and video games and avoiding all potentially romantic/sexual situations that might involve him: he can observe everything without getting (too) mixed up in all of it. and the more wisdom he imparts to his friends; the more jokes and witty comments he concocts during a given meet-up at Pop's; the more he goofs off and plays pranks on his friends and enemies, the more secure their collective friendship is. and he's perfectly happy with the state of things. he doesn't yearn for romance or sex, all he truly yearns for is a day spent eating burgers with his friends. as long as he has a snack readily available, he's happy to be alone or on an adventure. his natural state is in solitude, which is a state he sometimes has to seek out, but he never has to go far in any quest for company. it's exactly where he wants to be. he would rather eat his cake and eat it, too. Riverdale!Jughead inserts himself into the chaos, which original Jughead would rather play a game of football against Reggie than willfully do.
i think Riverdale tried to play into Jughead's comfortability with and preference for his general nonconformism with that whole "i’m a weirdo" speech, but ultimately failed because in the end, they still had him conforming to norms the original Jughead scoffs at. and Bughead, as the literal 85 years of Archie Comics and 7 seasons of Riverdale (in which Bughead basically become kinda-sorta-maybe-almost-pseudo step-siblings??? idk the whole thing between FP and Alice just makes it too weird for me) clearly demonstrate, added nothing to either Jughead’s or Betty’s characters and only contributed to the erasure of one of the longest running aroace characters there is. when the comics did try to give Jughead love interests, it was either extremely out of character, played for laughs as a way to shame him for not being interested in romance or just simply…didn’t work. usually some combination of all of the above. because Jughead is fundamentally aroace and has no desire to be with anyone in a romantic or sexual way. plus it kinda messes up the whole premise of the Archie Comics? teenage boy can’t choose between best friends Girl Next Door and Uptown Girl, who both care for him and each other equally, so he dates them both? it would have been way more refreshing to see them explore the complex open/polyamorous relationship that Archie, Betty and Veronica have been negotiating for 85 years through a more queer and empathetic lens than what Riverdale actually turned out to be. maybe they wouldn’t have erased Jughead’s queerness or sidelined other canonically queer characters (i.e. Kevin, Toni, Fangs, etc.) if they’d taken that route. it would be cool to see a plot within the Archie universe constructively centering queerness as a main element of its characters as storyline.
Riverdale refused to keep the most essential parts of the original Jughead's character: aversion to physical touch, romance and sex, an aggressive adoration for burgers, rhythm and musicality and his ability to separate himself from tense situations in order to problem-solve. what the other characters often sneer at or find frustrating about him are actually the things that solidify his importance in their lives. he balances them out. and there are moments when his friends recognize and celebrate that. and him being this essential, inextricable part of an iconic friend group in the comics is an extremely heartwarming thing to see as an arospec/acespec person, myself.
this was supposed to be an apology, wasn't it...oops? sorry?
Riverdale just kinda missed the whole point of Jughead Jones. and i WILL be salty about it forever.
#ode to jughead jones#riverdale#archie comics#jughead jones#jughead#aromantic#aroace#asexual#touch averse#touch aversion#aroace characters#aromantic characters#asexual characters#canonically aroace#aro erasure#ace erasure#aroace erasure#bughead#queer representation#aromantic representation#asexual representation#aroace representation
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#three after canon destiel wow#just imagine this world.....#jughead invents supernatural comics#riverdale
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He just stood there for a second, pulse racing a little, stare hard on hers. Telling himself that could mean a lot of things. Telling himself not to do anything stupid. Ignoring himself succinctly.
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#jeronica#jughead jones#veronica lodge#riverdale#riverdaleedit#here's some angsty fic jeronica while we wait for canon jeronica#'canon jeronica' can y'all believe????#tkof
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I somehow almost completely forgot about my boy juggie but
CW straightwashed him so hard 💔
#Jughead Jones#Archie comics#jughead#aromantic#aspec#aromantic asexual#aroace#canon aspec#aro week#aromantic week#aromantic awareness week#aromantic visibility week#aroposting#love loses
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jughead(2015) panel redraw 😁😁😁
(original panel under the cut)
#me tag🍭#art tag🍭#YIPPEEE#this took me 3 hours btw .#3 hours straight. i didnt stop. my autism powers#Straight… unlike JUGHEAD ‼️got that canonical aroace swag#fuck man what do i tag this as#jughead(2015)#aroace jughead#okay that’s all i’m tagging actually. because im Scared#ummm 😁😁😁#i get so nervous posting my art. its so embarrassing like. here you go. its a picture. and i drew it. with my hands#Ummm. I kinda like this guy (Jughead)#i have around. uhhh. two hundred archie comic books. if you. were wondering#i think it’s 200. i havent counted them in like two years#Gets scared. Okay bye.
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trying to figure out if i really just hated bughead from riverdale or if i was mad because he’s canonically ace in the comic
#a bit of both#but i remember back in 2017 everyone was swooning over betty and jughead and i was like … guys? its not a great pairing#i never swooned over that pairing like all my classmates did#i never got the hype lol#and ppl would be like why and even though i had never read the comics id always use the canonically ace argument#ik it’s not deep but my god#i just hated bughead for whatever reason#asexual#bughead#riverdale
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Jughead Jones from the Archie Comics is canonically aroace:)
#i can't believe it's actually canon#like#i always knew he preferred food over girls#that was a given#but it's so cool to me because I grew up with archie comics#aroace#jughead jones#archie comics
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Thinking of the treehouse 🥲
#drag's art#riverdale#jughead jones#archie andrews#riverdale jughead#riverdale archie#thank you pidgeon for giving me the prompt lmao 😭#and for listening to my yelling ���#im p sure the treehouse was A Thing??#it's come up in so many fics im assuming it is canon lmfao#so anyways. have this
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idk. canon aro jughead brainrot
#archie comics#friendship bughead#im like obsessed with this scene#because like yeah!! he’s aro!! he doesn’t need a partner but sometimes he feels pressure from the world#in the comics I think they are like best friends and that can come off as romantic love sometimes#this is so powerful to aro me because I had a boyfriend even after realizing I was aro because I felt like I had to#and it’s so powerful to aromantic people I think because I’m greatly impacted by this scene#aro#aromantic#jughead jones#betty cooper#I’m also mad at riverdale bughead shippers sometimes cause they force their ship into the comics as well#when it has been stated so many times in canon and from outside sources that he’s aro and they erase that so they can have their ship#I’m very passionate about this I’m sorry
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riverdale got so much wackier with every episode that you would think by the finale they would no longer be able to surprise you. and you would be wrong
#stuff#sorry im just thinking once again about the polycule#idk what was more shocking to me#the fact that they made the polycule canon or the fact that despite this they still refused to make archie/jughead canon#riverdale
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