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(I apologize for the addition Op– this is something from November 2022 I queued and then forgot to post. I hope it's still okay for me to add.)
Exactly, everything about this!!! I feel like Dazai can never bring himself to really look at Akutagawa, because if he does, the only thing he'll see is how cruel he himself is. In a way, it's the perfect opposite to his relationship with Atsushi, you know? Atsushi depends a lot from Dazai; but the same can be said the other way round too. Dazai is addicted with Atsushi– addicted by the vague, delusional hope Atsushi gives him of being good, addicted by the feeling of someone looking at him with something different than fear. And that's why Dazai is addicted to Atsushi as much as he's repulsed by Akutagawa, because through the way they see him, they make him see himself as the best or the worst he could ever be.
About Dazai sending Atsushi to Akutagawa, who knows. Maybe it was his twisted way to make up for what he did to Akutagawa? A sort of “I couldn't fix him (I made him worse), but he can”. Except it didn't really work, because in the end, Atsushi ended up being even more repulsed of Akutagawa than Dazai; maybe as a very reflection of Dazai himself in the way he treats Akutagawa. Maybe because Atsushi looks up to Dazai so much, he can see how much he despises Akutagawa. (Even though, I don't want to excessively take from Atsushi's agency– Atsushi's beef with Akutagawa is PERSONAL lmao). And it's something weird to see: let's just recall that time Atsushi and Akutagawa met on the Moby Dick, and Dazai was once again being straight up cruel with Akutagawa in ways that would result truly concerning if not outrageous to anyone witnessing, yet Atsushi seemed to be perfectly cool with it. Or how Atsushi acts plain ruthless towards Akutagawa of his own in chapter 51: “It's no wonder Dazai-san chose to abandon you and disappear”, like, that really hurts. It's so devastating, even Akutagawa can't bring himself to answer. Yyou have Atsushi touching a subject that hits so hard that even he, Akutagawa, can't retaliate?? This much really is reminiscent of Dazai's cruel psychological manipulating of Akutagawa.
Regarding Dazai gushing about Akutagawa in Dark Era but only when he's not there, I think about it so much... It's so perplexing how he can go from “Akutagawa, you could train for a hundred years, and you still wouldn’t be able to beat him” to “[Akutagawa] is soon to become the strongest person in the whole mafia” in the span of one day. Dazai's feelings for Akutagawa really are conflicting.
There's also that time in chapter 52 Akutagawa went “nothing special about that. I suppose he's far crueler than my own mentor”. And it's extremely interesting to see how Akutagawa DOES acknowledge Dazai was cruel towards him at him, at least to an extent. I feel like sometimes we tend to interpret him as a lot less self-aware than he actually is. Akutagawa does know that Dazai's treatment of him is overly cruel; he just either believes that that's what's right, or that that's what he deserves. On that note, the Atsushi / headmaster and Akutagawa / Dazai dynamics parallels are so interesting. Both Dazai and the headmaster ultimately thought that was the best way to raise their disciples and prepare them for the real world– but in the end all they did was fuck them up badly, didn't they? Makes me wonder if Dazai might have been thinking of himself as well when he told Atsushi “you were in hell, and hell raised you right”; like he was trying to reassure himself too that what he did to Akutagawa was for his own good, and had to be done.
Another element I've never seen anyone discuss but that on the contrary I find so meaningful is the fact that in the Heartless Cur Dazai explicitly asks Akutagawa if he was okay with being trained in the most cruel and painful way– and Akutagawa willingly accepted. Dazai unequivocally told Akutagawa that he would have granted him and Gin a comfortable life even without them having to join the mafia (it's hard to tell if he would have followed through, and according to the Beast events it doesn't feel like he would have; or maybe it doesn't even matter, because Dazai was so sure Akutagawa would have accepted, the alternative offering itself is meaningless). But Akutagawa was given a choice, and in a way one could say that he gave his consent? Which is twisted and fucked up because he was only about fifteen, but like. Eh. I think people shouldn't forget the fact that Dazai gave Akutagawa a choice before staring training him– a choice he may have wanted for himself when he was fifteen, and wasn't given.
I’m trying to finish reading Dark Era after a few months long break, and Dazai and Akutagawa’s relationship is so fucked up, because I’m pretty sure Dazai does care about him, but he’s also so blatantly cruel to him.
Like in the scene where Oda wakes up after the thing with Ango and the ball, Dazai mentions Akutagawa by name two separate times unprompted. And then he like gushes about him for a bit. And it’s like… where’s this energy when you’re talking to Akutagawa himself? And this is like a day after he tried to shoot him for fucking up.
And there are other times where it feels like Akutagawa is genuinely an important person to Dazai. It’s perhaps not a good kind of important, but it’s at least the kind of importance you place on someone you invested a lot of time and effort in. He’s one of the three people Dazai let know about the alternate universes in BEAST, implying he at least partially trusts him. And he seems to have tried to give Akutagawa a better life in that universe. And there’s Akutagawa’s backstory, where Dazai does seem a little fond of Akutagawa (he was nice to him for at least a few minutes before he devoted himself to destroying his self esteem). He tells Akutagawa that it’s a good answer when he starts howling, and he drapes his coat over his shoulders to welcome him into the mafia, and it would all almost be sweet if it weren’t for the context. And there’s the scene where Atsushi tells Dazai about the deal he made with Akutagawa, and Dazai smiles fondly and compares him to Oda (the only person we know for a fact Dazai genuinely liked).
Idk, their whole thing just seems very complicated. I think Dazai has a lot of conflicting feelings about Akutagawa. I think he’s proud of him, that’s his protege, and he feels as though he has prepared him for the future through his cruelty. But I think Akutagawa also represents all of his personal failures. His lack of patience, his cruelty, his mafia connection itself. Both in his own past actions towards him, and as a reflection of himself. I think he has convinced himself that the harsh way he treats Akutagawa makes him stronger, but he’s also just taking his own self hatred and frustrations with the situation he’s ended up in out on him.
I also think it’s interesting that while Dazai definitely likes Atsushi more, his intentions towards him were to pair him off with Akutagawa from the very beginning. So he at least still thinks about Akutagawa a lot. And he almost seems to be using Atsushi as both a weapon against Akutagawa, and like a vessel for Akutagawa’s character development? (And a buffer between Akutagawa and himself??? Maybe?) (And I think there’s a lot more to explore there than the fandom thinks). Which all kind of points to Akutagawa being the central point there kind of????? Like at least from the angle that Dazai knew him first and was working this plan off of him and Atsushi simply happened to be what he needed to complete Akutagawa. But he also ended up really liking Atsushi as a person along the way.
#It'd be so much easier if he just hated him#ryūnosuke akutagawa#osamu dazai#bsd ada#sskk#bsd#bsd beast#bsd analysis#This too where in origin tags that didn't end up fitting btw :///#02/11/22#← Sorry again Op I can delete the post if you want me to.#I just found it unfair to make another post since the considerations are so throughout inspired by the original analysis you made /////
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so, doing this as an extra post bc i dont want to spam op nor invite more disaster into their post (sorry)
(i get annoyed, i get frustrated, but i rarely get pissed off, so if this sounds aggressive to you, it is; i have had enough of arguing with people -even if most of that arguing has happened on twitter-)
someone had replied (and later apparently deleted) something along the lines of "well zelda wanted to restore hyrule at the end of botw and what is so bad about ganondorf always being the bad guy in the way that he is?"
so first off, while i know hyrule and KINGDOM of hyrule is often used as an equally interchangeable word to refer to the world there, i dont think she meant the kingdom or its or its monarchy when she said that (does she? i dont have the end in my head rn and pretty sure its a lil different than english anyway) and much more the LAND of hyrule, its still in shambles even if people have found ways to live with it- that is an interpretation of me mostly, you can think what you want in that regard idc
secondly .... im not gonna get into that rant bc you cannot be seriosuly asking what is bad about how ganondorf is presented, treated in the games (espeically in totk) and his role and "writing" (oh geez i dont know maybe all the racism and stereotypes?? also, frankly boring ass writing, if your villain can be replaced by a cloud of toxic goo incapable of speech and nothing would change except saving money for voice actors that dont fit the role that is not a great look- hes never gotten much but totk is a new low)
then theres this reply
astro-shark3113 replied: "You're kidding right? If she cared about reinstating the monarchy then why is the castle still in disrepair after five years? Why does she become a teacher and live in a cottage with her boyfriend instead of taking on duties as princess? She clearly wants to help people and be a leader but she can do that without wanting to be a Queen. Please be real"
i am not kidding and i AM being real, i think you need to look at the game without your rose tinted glasses for a second; the castle is still in ruin? what the hell do you expect, theres no soldiers and very few servants left, repairing anything is quite impossible in that time and frankly not a priority (not proof of her not caring lol) also there is a plan for it at the very least given the camps with the hyrule crest all over it in the ruins of castle town- we dont SEE her as a teacher, or living a "normal" life, that happens in between the game, its flavor text, what HAPPENS in the game is her being taught a lessson on who she needs to be and what hyrule needs to be (pretty in your face too, she gets sent to paradise past of the "first" king that is some supposedly godly thing from the HEAVENS and watches him and his queen die at the hands of the eviiil guy, the last scene in the game mimics perfectly the scene where everyone that god king got under his rule swears undying loyalty to her ffs); she does live in that house, but what other option is there, set up camp in the collapsing throne room all alone?? nigh everyone from that time is long dead and the only one she actually knows is link who happens to have a house (bc impa doesnt care i guess idk), with her ""boyfriend"" is also interesting, a "boyfriend" that apparently is locked in the basement, lives in the woods or straight up dematerlializes when theres no big bad in need of stabbing bc why the hell does no one fucking know him in hateno??? not even the kids that come to the house EVERY SINGLE DAY?? and taking on duties as a princess, she very much does? just bc she doesnt get physically carried around in a castle doesnt mean she isnt doing royal stuff (also, again, that happens BETWEEN the games, not actually in totk), she still sees herself as the princess, everyone calls her that, she herself calls herself that (if the memorial stones are anything to go by) and everyone listens to the most overtly stupid and nonsensical stuff that zelda puppet says (even her friends follow that order without even asking back???) after over 100 years of there not being a kingdom as such its pretty weird how everyone immediately, even the ones not alive for the calamity event, snaps into blindly following her orders
"she can still lead without being a queen", did we play the same game?? totk? TEARS of the KINGDOM?? (its zeldas tears, she IS the kingdom) that game?? the game couldnt be more directly telling you that its whole point is that royal family holy and good and how much everyone has to sacrifice to uphold the holy kingdom bc its the only thing that keeps evil man from overtaking it!! including turnign herself into a farmable, glorified stone pedestal for the entirety of the actual game and then that sacrifice not meanign shit bc she just gets deus ex machina'd back (i didnt need her to stay a dragon, though it would have been the better choice if she still didnt get an active part in the game i would kill for her to have been a capable companion instead of the stupid ghost sages, and you dont even get to actually do anything for it, it just happens), not even the nuclear pebble is lost, how great! she and everyone else that is a leader of their people has a nuclear pebble now!! they will not let a bad evil man be a threat ever again!! like the point to bring her back in that utterly unsatisfying way is that otherwise the royal line wouldnt exist anymore, its a blessing of her ancient ancestors!! woohooo!!
and the thing is, i LIKE botw zelda, i liked her character, that she wasnt the typically maiden princessy type, her struggle (even if i find the way she unlocked her powers lame), i do NOT like totk zelda, after the intro of the game she is a princessy maiden standing prettily at the side of the god king that rules the only thing keeping evil at bay, the level of how much totk disrespects her makes me mad on her behalf but i have ranted about that alone enough as well
and with this i am DONE talking about this game, i have ranted so much about it, made my points carefully clear over and over, said that i dont have the nerves left to be nice anymore about it given how much shit alone on twitter i had to live through just bc i dared mildly critisizing the damn game, if you comment some snarky "be real" thing again im just gonna go straight to blockign people bc i am done with this
#ganondoodles talks#ganondoodles rants#zelda#totk critical#taggign with that#maybe inviting less disaster into my post#didnt think id encounter this kind of stuff on here#tumblrs been so much better than twitter my god
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So you prolly don't remember this bc it was back in 2019 but you liked a post by xxdemonic-heartxx with this content:
"An opinion
I get body positivity. But if you weigh close to 350-400lbs from fatty tissue you should get some help. Human bodies cant function as well as they should with that type of stress on the skeleton and joints and its gonna compromise your organs. Body positivity is okay but fat acceptance isnt. I’m not fatphobic. I’m concerned for the longevity you’re losing and the health conditions you’re pulling in. And the dangerous mindset that humans should be and can be fat. Yeah. Some fat is okay. But if you body fat percentage is 32% for women and 26% for men (or higher). Thats obese and very crippling to your health. Take care of yourself. It isnt a crime."
That plus the fact you never drew fat ppl (not like just little pudgy but actually fat) got me to the conclusion you must be fatphobic, so I have had you blocked but you still crossroads my dash sometimes bc tumblr is functional website. So after all these years is once again saw you on my dash so I thought I'd send an ask, it's been years and I was wondering maybe you have changed and you don't hold these views any more.
I know I am a spiteful bitch for remembering this. The op has deleted their blog and all I have is a screenshot I thought just sharing the post content would work since I am not here to make a callout post or want ppl to harass you I just want to make you think about your past and maybe present biases.
Thanks for more information on the ask as it was a bit scary to see after being woken up in the middle of the night by my dog barking.
Okay, you may be getting me mixed up with someone else because I don't follow xxdemonic-heartxx, I recognize them in our community but I don't follow many people because I like a curated dashboard and like even less stuff, so even if I liked it back then, first, I was 19, and second, likely a misclick because I don't like to interact with stuff like that for the sake of my own mental health as I deal with body dysmorphic disorder. I of course can't 100% say what I was thinking or clicking on around that time as I was 19(now 24) and due to trauma I don't really remember much around that time.
For the second part yeah, I was 19 and still getting use to drawing bodyily diverse people and when learning to draw you get taught to draw slim people as a default. I'm getting much better at it now but it was never because of prejudges, just ignorance and staying in my comfort zone. I don't really mind or care being blocked because of that because it's your opinion about me and I can't control that.
At the base, I would not be considering myself to have ever been fatphobic and I am sorry if it has come across that way as it's of course never my intention to make any group of people uncomfortable. I'm of course open to talking more about this if I am missing anything.
#hope this can clear some things up for you?#also apologies if any of this is worded oddly. even tho I tried this is spurring some anxiety so my brains a bit scattered because of that
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i honestly don’t even know where to begin with this post, so i guess i’ll start with hi! sorry, i’ve been gone so long, though probably most of you didn’t even notice i was gone lol. sorry for not giving any warning to my absence, and i am especially sorry to the mutuals who have reached out to me that i haven’t responded to. i was and still am struggling with anxiety and depression and towards the new year it was getting to be a bit much for me, so i decided to take a mental health break from social media.
i’d honestly been contemplating coming back, but today i received a dm from someone with a link to a post that was accusing me of bullying and creating fake accounts to bully other people in this fandom. first of all, i would like to emphasize that this is not true. attached below is a screenshot of all the blogs that i own (EDIT 2/9/24: i have since deleted the screenshot for my own privacy and i believe that since i made this post, there has been more than enough evidence to clear my name.) milfsociety is my main account, which i have linked before on this blog and many of my mutuals also follow me on my main, and the rest of them are just me saving my old usernames or other sideblogs that i rarely use, but all of them have been inactive for two months at least.
i do NOT condone bullying ever, and to be continually accused of it by this person is very disheartening. it started with this post (seen below) that i made back in november after seeing a post discrediting marie as the main character of gen v. i admit that my language was probably a bit harsher than was necessary, but honestly my intention was not to send hate to op (which is why i never tagged it with any gen v related tags) but to defend marie. it also wasn’t meant to be solely specific to this one person but as a general post because at the time, there were lots of accounts discrediting marie and to be honest, i was just kinda venting bc of how sick of it i was. (also, just to mention, i have intentionally left out their username because the last thing i want is to send hate to this person.) this was the only post i made on the topic and later i heard that apparently op blocked me afterward (which does not offend me in the slightest since i have since done the same thing) so this honestly should have been the end of it.
i honestly hadn’t given this post a second thought until a little under a month later i received this ask out of nowhere, accusing me of ableism and bullying. i replied to this ask, which i will link here. honestly this ask came as a complete shock to me, because i had honestly forgotten all about my previous post.
i responded to anon and in the reply i apologized to their friend for my hurtful comments and expressed that it was never my intention to attack anyone, especially anyone with a disability, which i did not know about when i initially made the first post. i also explained my side, stating why i made the post in the first place, which i still stand by. originally, i had linked their post in my reply, which in hindsight was a mistake that i regret and i should’ve known better. again, my last intention ever is to spread hate and negativity or to bully anyone, so i deleted the link when i was asked by a third party. this person has also since deleted that post about marie entirely.
shortly after i posted the reply, i guess i can only assume that whoever anon was told them about the reply. i’m honestly not sure if they’ve ever actually read this reply or not, but they made a response to my reply, accusing me of harassment and bullying. honestly, it really confused me at the time, since i’d only made two posts in reference to them, and one was a reply to an ask, but we ended up having a third party account who was mutuals with both of us acting as a mediator to settle things and i genuinely wanted to move on from the situation. we both had each other blocked and it seemed to me that anon was just trying to instigate more drama between us, so i thought it best to just leave it at that. i was also going through some mental health issues at the time (unrelated to this situation even though it didn’t help) and had been considering taking a break from tumblr, and so i thought it would be best to just go inactive for a while.
this is honestly the first time i’ve used tumblr in the two months since i’ve been gone, so i have no idea what else has been happening regarding any other blogs and this person, but apparently i am being named as the sole instigator here and i just wanted to once and for all clear up this issue and my name. i’m honestly not sure if this person will see this post or if they’ll even accept it as truth. i can’t force them or anyone to believe me as i really don’t know what else i’d have to do to prove that i don’t have any other secret accounts other than making this post.
i will probably continue to be inactive on this account as i think it is in everyone’s best interest. i never wanted to contribute or start any drama in this fandom, but i feel like i am partially responsible in how this situation has turned out, so i would also like to apologize to you all as well. i’ve never had an account of mine get as big as this one has (thank you to everyone who liked and supported my silly little ramblings!) and i can honestly say i have had the best time interacting and fangirling with you all about this show and these characters that i love so much and i will continue to enjoy and love gen v and marie from afar!
goodbye for now,
rose (aka mariejordans)
#gen v#heronamedhawks#update this user is actually a racist transphobic piece of shit so please block them and do not give them any more of your attention
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sorry to bring this to your inbox but i got nowhere else to bring it and i need a yell. I was going through the transgender tag for more information on the CEO's transmisogyny debacle and came across a post that started out by stating that transmisogyny has been on the rise on tumblr as a whole; reasonable and true. but they started their list of examples with "1. The entire concept of transandrophobia" and I just.
What the goddamn hell is wrong with you*? (not YOU you THEM you) Why the fuck are you throwing your trans brothers under the bus for the actions of a pissbaby CEO? There's a wave of false reports and deletions - TARGETING TRANS WOMEN - and your response is to try and shift the target to transmascs for... talking about their experiences? Your response to outside harassment is to try and spark more infighting? What's your fucking problem????? We need to be coming TOGETHER not picking a fucking target to spit on!!! Christ alive. And people wonder how it's so easy for terfs to turn us against each other. God.
Ok rant over thanks for listening
I just want to challenge your wording here a little bit; did you check this person's blog and how they identify? Do you know if they're a trans woman, a trans man, nonbinary, etc.? Even what they might have said on their blog about how they identify should be scrutinized- we don't actually know who this person is, and they could for sure be lying. It's really, really useful for people outside of our communities who want to stir shit up to pretend they're not outsiders at all.
The post you're describing is horrible either way, and you're 100% right that it's stirring up harmful infighting. I think it's really easy to see that kind of thing and think, "oh my god, people are falling for it! they're actually fighting each other now!!"
It's a scary thing to see, and it's incredibly hard to ask critical questions when we're afraid, or otherwise emotionally activated like that. And there's nothing wrong with being emotionally activated, either; of course you are! That's some really hateful, really wrong, and really dangerous shit! Sentiments just like that one have caused so much harm to our community, and so much harm directly to individual, vulnerable people- probably people you know. Certainly people I know.
But it's reactions from that state of emotional activation that lead to the success of these kinds of infighting campaigns. We get activated, we make assumptions and act from that activated place, other people get activated and do the same, and the cycle continues.
What's worse, you're the only person who saw the post in question; I can only react to what you're telling me. I can't go look at the post, check OP's blog, and answer any critical questions about the nature of the situation. I have no way of knowing whether this person might be transfem, or just a TERF trying to stir shit up. I don't even know if the OP was an anon ask sent to someone else. I don't know how many notes the post got, or how big OP's audience is; I can't really conceptualize the amount of harm the post has done. I don't know if anyone has debunked it in the notes, or if OP has since posted an update denouncing that original sentiment.
Again, that's not to invalidate your emotional response, or even really question how honest you're being here. For all I know, you did check all of those things, and this is worse than I think it is. It certainly seems pretty realistic to me, just based on my own experiences with these kinds of conversations.
I just want to push back on that wording a little bit because like... as much as it is a real problem that a lot of transfems really firmly believe that Transmascs Talking About Cis People Being Transphobic To Us is the most serious & urgent form of transmisogyny facing the transfem community today, it's also a real problem that transmacs will jump on that same line of thinking in an effort to paint themselves as "one of the good ones".
Cis women will often throw transmascs under the bus in the same way in order to avoid Cis Guilt, oftentimes avoiding talking about their cis positionalities- which leads people to assume that, because they're talking about trans issues so much, they must be trans themselves! Which, again, perpetuates this illusion that "the trans community is full of infighting" and that much more dangerous to various trans people.
(Granted, this is a complicated issue; I don't think it's wrong for cis people to talk about these things, and I don't think trans people should have to out themselves in order to do so, either- but I have absolutely seen this pattern taken advantage of by hateful anons, TERFs, radfems, and cis women who revel in being called "honorary trans women" for bashing transmascs frequently enough.)
Is this post demonstrating the success of cis people's efforts to stir up infighting in the trans community, or is it just an example of cis people trying to stir up infighting? And if you know it's the former, how do I know? How do all of my followers know? Is it better to understand it as one vs. the other?
I'm sorry this got so long and off-topic; I'm sure this isn't what you were looking for when you sent me this ask, and I'm sorry for criticizing your wording over providing the emotional reassurance you probably needed a lot more than this. And also, I do feel a responsibility to think about the people reading asks before I think about the people sending them (particularly if they're on anon), and I felt this was the message that most needed to be received from anything I could say in response. I hope you're able to find the emotional reassurance you need regardless, and I appreciate you bringing this to me in the first place. ���
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kiyotaka tumblr user ramble
was thinkinf about this yesterday and i think ive cracked the idea of taka having tumblr, im an absolute genius and you will hear me out Okay
basically hes like a gimmick tumblr account that got famous for posting specific stuff and being Odd about it
the things he posts are like 5000 word posts just talking about his day in excruciating detail, talking about his studies and whatnot. it feels *weird* reading it bcuz hes describing oddly specific things like what he uses to clean his boots or whatever but its still Somewhat normal-ish.
he gets asks and replies to them with some unrelated tangent, some people ask him if hes autistic and hes like That is a very interesting question, I have actually done research in my spare time, because alot of my acquaintances are on the "Spectrum", and one of them, who thinks hes some 'Overlord of Ice', threw his pet hamsters at me and they scratched me on the face, and I had to go to the nurse in case he did not vaccinate them, I did not want to get rabies potentially, and-
basically letting his thoughts out without needing to sound like hes lecturing someone, he treats his blog like a diary and barely even realizes just how much attention he gets bcuz he logs in to post and then logs out
Occasionally, however, he will post something like "I cannot do this anymore I hate my life" and right after that he will post again "Apologies for the previous post, I was unmedicated, I am okay now. Anyway," and start talking about his studies again or whatever. and the funniest part is that he will not delete any sudden episode posts like that. he knows he can delete posts, but he doesnt think its worth hiding anything, which is why if he makes One grammar mistake in the 4 pages essay long posts, he will just reblog it correcting the ONE error like "*you're. I misspelled, sorry." and you are left to go look for that mistake he made in the first place
he will occasionally turn his posts into vents or nonsensical rambles like "I was reading a book about self-care recently, it was very informing. One of the chapters said 'It's important to have people in your life to support you'. Why does no one love me? Who should I rely on for support? What is wrong with me?" and people will reblog it like OP are you alright you can talk to us:( and he'll be like I'm perfectly okay dont ask me questions please (<-about to have another episode)
this turned out a bit depressive but take it in a funny way okay i just like to think about him alot even though i hate him and want him to die again by My hands
#danganronpa#danganronpa trigger happy havoc#kiyotaka ishimaru#danganronpa 1#danganronpa post idk#should i mention now i headcanon him having bpd or#kiyotaka ishimaru bpd haver is real if you think about it SAME AS MONDO IM SO SMART GUYS
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I got on reddit a couple of months ago and I discovered that while many people are neutral about bts or even dislike them, most of them are really polite and nice about it, and most discourse about bts is in a positive or neutral light. It's not like twitter where they call them flops in every 2 tweets. So it's similar to tumblr because people can have normal conversations (most of the time) about kpop groups there. Of course there are trolls and straight up haters there too but they either get downvoted very hard or deleted so it's I think better. Anyway my point is that I go on reddit today to see what people are talking about because I only check reddit like 2-3 times a week. And the first post is literally someone asking why bighit is pushing jikook out of all the ships.. And I just sat here blinking at the screen because... Really? We are having this conversation AGAIN? It wasn't even in the bangtan channel/sub, it was in a kpop sub where you can talk about any group. But then I read the whole post and it was very clear OP was one of those people who don't watch official content and just lives off of clips that are posted in the first 24 hours. There are not a lot of comments right now but all of them are very normal and lowkey calling out OP for being stupid so I upvoted all of them 😂
But like every fucking time a DVD comes out and we have footage from multiple days or even months and we see jikook hanging out and do their thing, EVERY DAMN TIME we have this same ass conversation. Every time it's fanservice every time it's "why are they together" every time it's "why is bh pushing them" MF IT'S BEEN YEARS OF THIS. Don't these people think that if you see them, CONSISTENTLY hang out with each other EVERY YEAR, don't you think that maybe... Just maybe they like hanging out and being in each others company???
Even if you take shipping completely out of the picture. Like don't you think its fucking weird to see two people who have known each other for 11 years, went through some insane shit together and even more that WE as FANS probably don't even know about, they clearly support and love each other and like hanging out with each other... And then you go on social media and tweet: "why do people, who are friends, spend time together?" DO YOU EVEN HEAR YOURSELF. I need someone to go up to these people when they are out with their friends and ask them if they secretly hate each other and only hang out just to please their parents or something.
You don't need to ship jikook to see they like each other. You don't need to ship taekook to see they like each other. You don't need to ship anyone in bangtan to see that they love each other to the moon and back. These men are in each others asses 24/7 but sure, the company is pushing them to do fanservice because they don't make enough money or something. Whether you (not you specifically) think jikook or taekook or yoonmin or anyone is dating or not, that's your business. If you ship them, you ship them, if you don't, you don't. But you literally cannot fucking walk up to me, look me in the eye and tell me they don't like each other. These boys are first and foremost FRIENDS And if you see any of them together, it's because THEY WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH EACH OTHER.
I don't know why it's so hard for some people to understand this. Maybe because fanservice is a normal? thing in Korea and I'm sure many groups are doing it. But I checked OPs post and comment history and they follow bts for a while now so they have to know that the tannies have moved past/moved away from doing typical kpop things loooooong ago. They are not your typical kpop group. Two members hanging out with each other in front of or behind camera is not fanservice. Can we fucking wrap this conversation up already, I'm so bored of seeing this being brought up every year. Sorry for the long essay 😔
When it comes to Jimin and Jungkook, people would always prefer to believe anything but the truth, reality and what they themselves say. Wait till whatever they are doing comes out, it will be all this again and even worse.
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"stop saying armys hate jimin, solo losers 😌"
and yet armys* are out here crying over a taekook au being deleted/canceled to protect jimin from getting indirect hate bc 99% of this fandom can't separate fiction from reality.....
https://x.com/vkoobiezluvr/status/1876303393016393846
*i'm saying this as an army that doesn't like solos btw 💀
omg I was literally just going through the quotes of this tweet right before you sent this lmao 😭 was it really a tkk AU?? that’s extremely messed up if it was. I somehow missed all of this and I’m just seeing the whole squid games au thing now so my understanding of the situation is kind of vague.
you know on one hand I get their perspective. ARMYtwt has been miserable lately. I think some ARMYs underestimate the importance of this kind of stuff in growing the community and keeping ARMYs engaged, happy and united (as corny as I personally find it). Just talking about charts and streaming is not going to interest a lot of people, and things being so intense and miserable all the time is not great for moral either. If there was NO shipping in the AU and no singular villain I get how it could be okay and I can sympathize with the ARMYs who were upset that it got canceled.
On the other hand… we have literally seen this play out before, we have seen how many ARMYs do not have the maturity to handle it, we have seen how it led to JM receiving hate & how many ARMYs straight up did not care… imo it’s fair to be wary and skeptical - especially if the OP doesn’t even want to reveal their main account? Like sorry but that’s a major red flag for me. I can understand why they wouldn’t want to, but I’m not going to trust someone to handle something like this if I don’t even know who they are (my bad if i missed who the OP was?)
Also from what I’m seeing the ARMYs mad about it being possibly cancelled are being completely dismissive of why others are concerned in the first place, which isn’t a good sign that they’ve learned from past mistakes 😬 It’s clear their own entertainment is the priority here, which is fair enough, but it’s also why I don’t feel particularly bad for them lol. the majority of them also seem to be shippers of some sort so…
Anyways I see how it could be unproblematic if the right ppl were doing it but I don’t personally trust ARMYs to handle and run things like this atp so... it could just get weird/messy very easy and would be more fun for a small community to do together instead of the whole fandom, and yeah to your point the lack of care or consideration for what happened last time is just not a good look either. like some people straight up do not care about jm receiving hate, or entirely minimize it, which is so gross to me. maybe if they want to do stuff like this they should consider actually doing something about the toxic shippers that made the environment so volatile in the first place? 🥴
& if I’m being real here, no hate but I don’t understand why they want AUs in ARMY spaces so bad? I just think there’s other fun and interactive things we could do as a fandom tbh, and idk I just feel like some things are best left in shipping communities where they’re generally tagged and mostly only reaching their intended audiences but 😅
(OKAY I just wrote all that and then skimmed the quotes again and saw who one of the moderators was and NAH 💀 diet-solo tkkrs and JM antis were 100% involved in this lmao, I’m with you anon. I’m just going to post my whole response anyways since I already typed it all out, but that one moderator is 100% a tkkr and has been weird & shady towards JM/jkk a lot. im familiar with their little group of "ARMY" tkkrs too, so if they’re all involved in this, the AU being canceled is deserved 🤓 I hope it stays that way. sorry for being a hater but I’m so sick of these people and it's so lame the way that ARMYs keep platforming them. And yeah I'm 100000% wary of how JM would have been portrayed in this AU, it definitely would have been biased against him 🙄 just lame)
#anon#ask#discourse#i was trying to be mature and level in my response#because i sympathize with the armys wanting to do something fun#and sometimes solos absolutely overreact lol#but NO#we actually can’t have fun things#bc ARMYs wont deplatform tkkrs & antis#and want to give them clout and run the fandom instead#also ofc it's that group wanting to bring AUs#to ARMY spaces#nothing against fanfic#just the AU thing in OT7 spaces is weird to me for some reason
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To the Anon who sent me an ask saying I "should feel fucking awful" for "giving you hope": I'm sorry about your situation, truly. But what did you want to achieve by sending that ask to me?
For context I reblogged a post earlier, mentioning that I hadn't double-checked the info yet as I was at work (my memory is shit, so I reblogged it to remember to check it later). I did check it later, found that the links didn't confirm what the OP claimed, and decided to delete the reblog as I had no reason to keep it on my blog anymore.
I'm going to assume that you're an adult, Anon, and as such it's your own responsibility to check sources and not trust random strangers on the internet (such as me). If you had checked the sources yourself, you would have been able to see that the post didn't add up (lawsuit too new to be approved yet, and the amount of money OP mentioned seemed taken out of thin air). I'm sorry that I didn't sit down and tell everyone that I, a nobody, decided to delete the post from my personal blog. It would perhaps have been a courtesy to do so, but it isn't a responsibility you can demand of strangers on tumblr of all sites.
Again, I'm sorry about your situation and about you getting your hopes up over something I reblogged, but lashing out against a stranger doesn't help anyone. I promise I didn't reblog, and later delete a post without telling you, just so I could hurt you personally.
I do hope you have a kinder new year than the one we're both currently suffering through. Cheers mate
#it's past 2am here - will be 2025 in less than 22 hours - and english isn't my first language so apologies if it's a bit rambly#any time I get anons like this I get so surprised - like - buddy I am a nobody and a stranger? Does it help to lash out at me?#Do you hurt less if you hurt someone else?#I'm sorry that you got your hopes up Anon but I don't know you. I can't help you.#random bloggers on tumblr aren't responsible for your health or checking information for you#and it's not the responsibility of the random bloggers to inform you anytime they delete anything#I wasn't even the one who wrote the post I just reblogged it for myself so I could remember to check the sources after work#no I will not link the post in question here. DON'T go harass the OP of that post they probably meant well#sometimes we post things when we get excited without double-checking everything first and that's okay#gonna turn anon asks off for a while. Don't feel like arguing but if you really need to argue or insult me you do it off anon ok#goodnight#kreft rambles#might delete later
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Everyone is going back and forth about Jb and Op being together or have messed around/hooked up but why has no-one brought up the fact that she's gay....? Like lesbian lol She's said time and time again and has many pride post on her instagram. Along with the fact when she went to the VS show and interviewer asked her what she was most excited for and she said "I'M LESBIAN, so mostly looking to meet some girls." and since I've followed her in late June she also made a post about (which I think she's since deleted) about her coming out story...I get it I understand people can change, I personally know someone who was also into only girls but recently starting "dating guys" and I say that lightly because to her they were just simple hook ups for some fun so I believe if anything maybe they might have hooked up ( him having just got out a 7 year relationship, and her probably not interested in nothing but a little fun)
BUTTTT if she is really lesbian why can't they just be friends....? I get it she has on an LSU bracelet but I've gotten things from my male friends. Yes it seemed she was trying to get people to see it but with the show just dropping would it be a crime to want people to know your cool with Jb? Especially since I've heard someone say she had something coming up.. Anyways im not reading much into it right now, if she "pops" out with it again maybe but yeah sorry this was long :*
It took me less time to google this than it took you to speculate about her sexuality. Sexuality can be fluid.
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for some advice on the whole trans masc eddie thing , i think if it’s something you plan to do all - you should make it a permanent part of his canon or don’t do it all. it just feels kind of odd in a way to decide to make it only a verse or a “sometimes” thing. i don’t know how to explain it in a way that makes sense but idk. i just really feel like it’s something that should be apart of his character if you want it to be but if you’re afraid to fully commit to it then i think you shouldn’t have it be a thing at all. being trans isn’t just a “sometimes” thing irl - does it make sense what i’m saying at all? i’m not trying to hate or make you feel weird or anything i’m just being honestly. also giving people the option to have him pre or post op also kinda gives odd vibes, & treating post op like he’s “basically not even trans” (i know that’s not how you worded it just that’s how it feels) feels very weird. like idk i don’t think you’re intending any of this but it feels very odd & kinda off vibes & idk transphobic kinda? esp since you’re considering the people who might be uncomfortable with him being trans which like - i’m sorry but if they are & you decide to do this, then they should just unfollow. like … idk if any of this is making sense but this is all just coming across a way i don’t think you’re intending to but i just think you should make him transmasc if you want & have it be a permanent part of your canon, across all verses & not just be one verse or only sometimes. & don’t give people the pre or post op option, so they can feel like he’s “normal”. decide how you want him to be & they can take what they get. & don’t let the transphobic/uncomfortable people have a space on your blog, if they really have a problem w it they can leave. this isn’t me trying to tell you how to run your blog or trying to come off as a hater i’m just trying to show you how things might be coming across & trying to offer some advice to fix that - anyways i wish you a good day & hope you figure this all out
[[Sorry it took me a minute to actually respond to this cuz I started crying lol. I'm a big baby. I never meant to come across that way, especially as someone in transition myself. I would never want to come across as transphobic in any way, shape or form. This whole discussion was to see what the reactions would be if I made that a main part of Eddie's storyline. and the pre op/post op was for storyline purposes or things of that nature, not for him to come across as "normal". Since when has Eddie ever been "normal"? This was a discussion for my comfort while at the same time trying to be understanding to those that I write with. And yes, as I had said multiple times in that post before I deleted it...I was also scared which was why I had it in it's own separate verse originally. I can't help that I have anxiety and with all due respect this is still my blog so if I have a full storyline for my muse like this or I have it as a side verse then it should be my decision. Though again I apologize if my wording came across wrong. If you need to unfollow then please do so, I'm not here to hate on anyone. I am not here to cause drama. I am here to write my muse as I see fit and express myself as I see fit. I find it kind of insulting to have it explained to me as "being trans isn't a sometimes thing" like I don't know that???? I spend every day of my life currently in a body that makes me dysphoric. That is not a SOMETIMES THING. THAT IS A I WAKE UP IN THIS BODY EVERY DAY KIND OF THING SO I KNOW HOW THAT PART FEELS. I hope you have a good day as well. I am going to go try to stop crying now and pick up the pieces of my day. Thank you. I'll take what was said into consideration if I decide to ever bring this subject up again. ]]
#&& roll the dice! [ooc]#&& answered.#&& tw: transphobic mention#[[this just...really hurt and upset me. I'm gonna take a beat. dm me if you need me]]
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rant ahead
Sorry..i really need to let it all out.
Today i wake up on a ss tweet about my channel posting this meme:
in context, i have channel and have a mix audience, both in team black and green.I repost memes from fb and reddit so my subscribers will have a place to discuss their takes..ive been doing this since Oct 2022 along side of me posting ewan edits and crumbs.
As the channel grew, i also receive a ton of hate from yt people.Most accusing me of being creep and obsessed with ewan, some hating me for deleting their comments which is not true btw.Yt algorithm deleted offensive words and phrases but they blame me for that..i let it slide.
Recently i found out a person reupload my yt shorts and long form video on tiktok 40+ and counting.I reached out and be decent a person but i never got a reply.I let it go coz what can i do, hbo owned those clips.My tt friends also called her out to no avail.
Im also catching some tweets with ss of my channels and some people commenting on my fanart to start a fight.im a quiet person in real life and i have no energy to start an argument so i just apologize.
Back to this recent tweet, idk why this affects me so much.Maybe because i followed the OP and i love her takes..maybe because i see familiar people on the comment sections and mutuals and people i followed that quote retweet and likes the mean comments..idk..part of me feel betrayed but then again, i have no right to.
I know I cant change people's perspective and opinion and they have all the rights to say what they have to say and its twitter.I apologize and then delete the meme and site the link source since i think they assume i made this one.But idk, its just breaks my heart.They care so much about the character they are defending other than the real person behind the channel.
Harsh truth i guess, im just an afterthought.They might forgot what they posted, but to a person like me who lose so much in the past years, this will linger more that i ever wanted it to be.
Im a creature of habit so i cant stop creating or i'll go crazy but i'll be more active in here from now on..if i have fresh crumb, i will post it here first..This day is just an eye opening for me.
Thank you for listening 🫶💚
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About reposting gifs
As I mentioned yesterday, one of our gifs was reposted without credit on someone's blog, which I found through my tracked tags. I first left a comment on OP's post telling them the gif was mine, linking to the original post, and to please delete it. When I saw that the post was still up hours later, but my comment was gone, I left another comment repeating what I'd said, and I made a post here warning users about that blog. The blog is deleted now, so I wanted to talk a bit more about what happened.
➡️ Fanwork creators can do very little if our work is reposted on Tumblr
For those who don't know, it used to be that you could report posts to Tumblr as reposted content if you were the creator by providing a link to the original post - this extended to fanworks. Now, only copyright holders can request for content to be taken down. Tumblr has left fandom creators without recourse to protect our work, so the only thing we can do now is ask people to take down their posts when it happens and hope for the best.
I know that sometimes people repost gifs and fanart because they genuinely don't know that it's frowned upon. But there are also blogs filled to the brim with content they stole from other creators and are trying to pass as their own, unfortunately.
Blasting someone's blog like I did is not the kindest course of action, but by having my comment deleted, I assumed it hadn't been a genuine mistake. I also assumed that, after I left that second comment, OP would block me and that'd be that. I shared what had happened so people would know not to reblog that post, because that's the other thing - it's not just that our creations are now in someone else's blog, it's that they're going to be reblogged from that person and there's no way to stop it after that happens.
➡️ What I want to happen if you reposted my work
I woke up today to a private message from OP apologizing and saying that they would delete their blog. This is not what I'd asked or wanted, and I'm very sorry about it. I know I could have been kinder, but again, I had reason to believe OP simply didn't care, and I did the only thing I could think of to stop the damage.
I don't want you to delete your blog or leave a fandom if you mess up! I just want you to delete the post, apologize and do better.
➡️ Why you shouldn't do this
Saving someone else's gif that you found on Tumblr, or looking up gifs on Google, and uploading them into a new post on your blog along with other gifs you found is not cool. Like artists and writers, gif makers spend years learning how to use software and honing their skills; they spend their own time looking up screencaps, working on their ideas, and fine-tuning how gifs look; they create gifs for specific sets with specific ideas. It's our content. We don't want our credit to be erased, and we don't want our gifs to be part of gifsets we didn't intend them for. If I wrote a fanfic, and someone lifted a paragraph from it and inserted it into their own fic, that'd be bad, right? It's the same here.
And if that wasn't enough, there's been a huge decline for the past years in the number of notes we get, because less people use the reblog button now. Seeing our gifs duplicated doesn't help.
➡️ "What do I do if I want to..."
👉 Share this cool gifset I found on Tumblr? Reblog it! Using the reblog button is not the same as reposting - that is when you save a gif to your computer and upload it to a new post on your blog. We want you to reblog our posts!
👉 Share this cool gif I found on Google? Instead of immediately saving it to your computer from the results page, click on the image so you're taken to the source. If the source is Tumblr, you can reblog the post from there straight to your blog!
👉 Share this cool gif I found, but not the rest of the gifset? People generally create gifs in the context of a set. Say I make a set with gifs of Luke, Han and Leia, but you only want the Luke gifs. I'm sorry, but I still made it for that specific set of Luke, Han and Leia. Fortunately, there are thousands of gifsets of just Luke that you can look up and reblog!
👉 Make a new set with these cool gifs I found in different posts? Same as above. It's not a buffet. You can either reblog the original gifsets as they are, or you can learn to make your own!
👉 Share these cool gifs with my own commentary? Unless you're being obnoxious, attacking OP, or adding discourse, people generally don't mind if you add harmless comments when you reblog a gifset. You can also leave comments in tags, or in the replies section of posts.
👉 What about using the Tumblr built-in Add GIF function in posts? Yes, that's a good alternative! This feature automatically credits the original creator by adding their username that links to their blog, and it can't be removed. The original creator also gets notified if someone uses their gif in a post, which is cool - that way, we can at least see where our gifs are being used. Keep in mind that if a creator asks you to remove their gif from your post for whatever reason, the right thing to do is comply. Can you put together a whole gifset with this function? Technically yes, but a) it won't look good on your blog, and b) it's still not a cool thing to do to creators. Consider using this function only if you want to add reactions, headers, or sprinkle related gifs in your posts. Like this!
I hope this was helpful!
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Just as a heads up, it's COMPLETELY fine if you don't care since the post wasn't about this, but the OP of the betterhelp retail horror story is a terf. Like I'm not one of those "YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN" people and hopefully it's broken containment in general enough for random reblogs not to cause harassment, so this is more "do with this information as you want"+a sprinkling of "my paranoia symptoms cause me to delete reblogs of posts from people who hate my existence and therefore I appreciate knowing, so maybe you might as well?
Sorry for awkward, just wanting to be clear this isn't an "you're evil for reblogging a completely innocent post from a terf" and more "if this is in any way a potential safety concern for you, it might be at least okay to say something?" 😅
I genuinely appreciate it and will be removing it! I don't like spreading TERF blogs around even if the post itself is harmless because I don't believe in giving them attention!
People can always tell me if an OP is a TERF and I will check it out and delete as necessary, I appreciate you letting me know; I don't check the OPs of posts because I usually don't have time/I blog after work and it just takes too much brainpower, so I rely on people who do have time/brainpower to help keep me and others safe.
Thank you again, I do appreciate this, and it does help me make informed decisions about the people I give attention to!
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Hi, I would like to talk to you about your comment under my friend Summer's post. As a lesbian, I have to say that saying that "bisexuals exist" under a post about a character being seen as a lesbian/lesbian-coded is pretty lesbophobic of you even if you didn't mean it, as many times posts about characters being seen as lesbians whether canon or not get derailed with people saying that the character "could/should" be bi(and thus making it so that the character is into men). Also Summer is a bisexual Black woman so them getting rid of Percabeth isn't misogynoir and it's certainly not bisexual erasure because, like they said, Percabeth is incredibly cisheteronormative and REEKS of comphet. Also a lot of lesbians see themselves in Annabeth and agree that she is lesbian-coded and that her relationship with Percy can be seen as comphet, including myself. Respectfully, this was not your place to go "bisexuals exist". Yes, we know that bisexuals exist, as op is a literal bisexual himself, but that doesn't excuse derailing a post about a character being perceived as a lesbian with "okay but they could be bisexual ackshully". Yes, bisexual erasure exists, but a character being seen as a lesbian when they are portrayed straight in canon ain't it. Women and lesbians in particular face a lot of pressure to be into men and to center men in their lives, so you saying "bisexuals exist" is adding to that societal pressure even if you think it's not, even if you think you're doing something good. If you see Annabeth as bi, then make your own post about it. Don't come onto a post about her not liking men to remind us/op that she could like men. We already know that women are expected to like men. I'd appreciate it if you apologized and deleted your reblog. Thank you.
Hi thisismisogynoir, I appreciate that you and your friend are of a certain opinion here wrt Annabeth being lesbiancoded. But I’ve been in fandom for over 20 years, and I’d like to share my perspective.
There are two fundamental topics going on here, race and queerness.
First, race: there’s this urge when there’s a racebent female character (and Annabeth is now Black) that fandom wants to sever her ties to the main character and usually its romantic.
For example, take cw’s the flash. In the comics, Iris was white but for the tv show the CW hired Candice Patton, a black woman. Lots of people were angry about this and were insisting that the white redhead in the cast (caitlin snow played by danielle panabaker) should be Barry’s love interest instead. They were very persistent and made fandom unbearable. Another example,the original Roswell series had Maria DeLuca played by a white actress, but for the reboot, Roswell New Mexico, they racebent Maria Deluca and cast the afrolatina Heather Hemmens in the role. Now that Heather was Maria, everyone wanted Maria to not be in love with Michael anymore and the showrunners just so happened to give Michael another love interest, the whitepassing Alex. Michael was still one of the main characters and Maria, who was now a Black girl, was separated from him in favor of this whitepassing male character Alex. There’s even an older, much more blatant example of this in the form of Nyota Uhura (yes I know she’s never been racebent but bear with me). Back in the original series Uhura had chemistry mainly with two people, Chapel and Spock. ( Now granted I loved original series Chahura (not really sure on the actual spelling of their shipping portmanteau sorry) shipping but now in the reboot Kelvin timeline there’s this urge to declare Uhura a lesbian again, when she has a canon romance with Spock. There are plenty more examples of this pattern.
I realize you’re both Black and I’m not, and I really don’t want it to seem like I’m dismissing your lived experiences. With all due respect though, it kinda doesn’t matter that you’re Black in this case? It doesn’t really matter that you don’t intend misogynoir but rather what the impact is of this particular post. If the intent is to make Annabeth a more fleshed out character, that I can wholeheartedly agree with. However you’re opening up a dangerous avenue where white fans can point to you and say "well here’s two Black women who agree with me that Annabeth should be kept far away from Percy!!!” except they won’t word it that way they’ll use your words and say “here’s two Black fans that want Leahbeth to be a lesbian because she’s lesbian coded!!”
Speaking of, let’s talk about queerness.I get that there’s lots of different readings for canon but I’m kinda worried that you are mistaking your fanon reading of Annabeth as a lesbian and trying to project it on Leah/Annabeth, Imagining additional experiences unaddressed in canon is fair game, but it’s honestly hurtful to undercut, take away, and reduce a character’s experiences. IMHO you can advocate for a more fleshed out characterization of Annabeth without excluding the fans like me who really appreciated Percabeth. And yes I am biromantic asexual so I would love to see another bisexual character be the main focus of a new, mainstream show.
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wait what has actually happened with the fob/mcr feud stuff my whole dash is just vague references to something happening
i’m putting this below a read more bc it’s going to get long and i don’t really want to recap all this but i’d rather do it myself than have more people totally misrepresent the situation, so.
okay so mcrblr has been for some reason passing around a bunch of polls about how comparatively good the members of mcr are at different kinds of sex.
aside number one: my personal stance on this is that i think it’s weird to speculate about the guys’ sex lives, even as a joke, but given that none of them will see it, it’s whatever. i’ll scroll past it and move on. if pressed i do think that kind of joking should probably be kept to a closed discord server where everyone is in on the joke, because doing it on here means it will inevitably break containment, but again. not my circus, not my monkeys.
anyways. a mcr blogger is like “this sex discussion is so funny, what if it was expanded to include more of bandom” and then used patrick stump as an example. from what i can tell they were trying to satirize the way mcr fans were talking about the guys’ sex lives. they said some stuff in a now deleted post that included things like “patrick would light candles and play marvin gaye during sex [subtext: in a lame way]” and “he looks like a mouse” (note that this is something mcr fans very commonly say about gerard)
that post broke containment and fob fans interpreted it as suggesting that patrick is bad at sex and thus is fatphobic, based on the fatphobic idea that fat people are sexually unappealing
aside number two: fatphobia in bandom is a real issue and nothing i have said has meant to trivialize that. it is absolutely something that has contributed to the way people have treated and talked about both patrick and gerard. but it is not what i see to be the true crux of the situation i’ve been observing here.
okay now let’s go back in time a bit. last year mcr toured again for the first time in a decade. mcr fans understandably went crazy. at some point along the way, i started seeing posts from fob bloggers complaining about specifically mcr fans talking shit about fob and praising mcr at fob’s expense
aside number three: i am a fan of both fob and mcr. i was a fan of fob first. i saw them last week and cried. i do not think either band is better than the other, but if pressed, i would say i personally like mcr more, because i identify more heavily with them/their storytelling. i follow people who like both, people who like mcr and not fob, and people who like fob and not mcr. i myself have never actually seen a mcr fan hating on fob specifically. from my perspective, most mcr fans either like fob or don’t really talk about them. i did see a few posts claiming that mcr was doing things no other band had done or could do (objectively untrue, but understandable hyperbole from big fans) but as far as i could tell fob was never namedropped.
so yeah every now and then i would see some vagueposts about mcr fans from fob bloggers. once polls became a thing the “feud” would come up whenever a bandom poll would get passed around, people would complain about the results, etc
back to the present. op of the post doubles down. a mcr blogger says something like “patrick is a normal size for a 40 something man” which they clearly meant to mean “being fat is within the range of normal bodies” but was interpreted as “i can’t be fatphobic bc patrick isn’t fat. he’s normal and fat people aren’t normal”
i’m too tired to keep typing and it’s 1 am and in 7 hours i am getting on a plane for a one day round trip to see my grandfather before he dies so i’m logging off now. sorry i didn’t finish explaining but i feel like this is probably enough that you can bridge the gap to where we are now. if you have more questions you can dm me or send another ask. i do have more analysis of the situation i just really can’t deal with trying to distill it right now. most of my posts about the issue have been meant to encompass the entire months in the making feud that i believe has lead us to this point, not the specific post
if you’re going to be like why are you involving yourself in bandom drama when your family member is dying it’s because i can’t do anything about it and i was TRYING to use tumblr as a distraction. also like i said the feud has been months in the making and as someone who likes both bands i was really sick of ppl acting like we were enemies
#answered#oh yeah also someone who i literally talked to yesterday broke mutuals with me after 6 years bc of this#shrug emoji i guess
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