#—ship wank

[the-obnoxious-sibling]

First of all: if shuggy got together I assume it would be after buggy got over his feelings of inferiority

But there are people who believe buggy is not worthy of shanks, I recently saw ask asking if he was to ugly and it’s popular reason to dislike shuggy in favour of other shanks ships.

I wonder about buggy reaction if he heard people talking like this in universe? Would he be angry at shanks? He does seem like someone who would blame shanks 😭😭

oh, i shipped kkg long before it was cool, i am very familiar with anti-ship arguments that boil down to "but X is so ugly, how can you ship him with Y?!" those arguments are just as superficial now as they ever were, and i really don't care to engage with them. if your reason for shipping one pair over another is "they look better together," that's fine, you do you, that's your business. but that's not why i ship things.

that said, buggy being angry at shanks for being… what, too pretty for him? is hysterical. of course he'd blame shanks for any disparity in their looks.

(not that i think he considers them to have any such disparity… he's sensitive about his nose, sure, but that's not about its attractiveness, it's about it being weird. i think buggy thinks he's hot shit, and he's surrounded by people who agree with him.)

[hekateinhell]

psa

[frisbee-equine]

I am once again exhaustedly begging aro people on Tumblr to stop using their identity as a cudgel in what is essentially fandom drama and shipping bullshit, because for the last goddamned time, fandom having a focus on shipping is *not* amatonormativity and arophobia. It is AT BEST a symptom of societal amatonormativity and arophobia, in the same way that M/M being more prevalent than F/F can be a symptom of societal misogyny, but someone wanting two fictional characters to engage in romance and not a platonic relationship is not directly fucking oppressing you.

In fact, it waters down the actual meanings of said words and oppression. You are, again, at best making aspec people look obnoxious and like they don't have real problems if this is the most "dire" thing to complain about, at worst just spouting off homophobia in a rainbow-colored wrapper.

You know what's actually amatonormativity and arophobia? Society explicitly being organized in such a way that aspec people would be better off legally, financially, and even socially if they were in romantic relationships. That people who prefer not to be in relationships (or "worse," those who might only be interested in sexual relationships, i.e. aroallos) clearly have something wrong with them mentally or emotionally that should make them be avoided and warned about like some kind of predator.

And a healthy dash of cishetero-patriarchial misogyny on top with the implication that aspec women in particular need to "settle down" and be a Good Wife™️ to some cishet man, that their orientation is something that can and should be fixed.

It is not fucking some rando going "I think these two fictional characters should kiss and fuck nasty."

[holyfreaks]

genuinely confused on how people shipping wincest is "forcing something that's not there" or bringing it into the show/fandom when it's not "real".... did we watch the same show perhaps.

the "mom is a babe" "I'm samuel and this is my wife deanna" "we're open to anyone of any.... sexual orientation" "why do they think we're together x5" "siren tells dean i should be your little brother" "demon kisses mary while wearing her father" "bela killed her parents for this reason" "love, family, whatever we have between us" "red meat romeo and juliet parallel" "erotically codependent" show? that show? yeah.

[shsl-fujoshi]

Pro-censorship fans who harass people over fiction ("antis") seem to wildly underestimate how serious a crime it is to actually simply posses even censored CSEM (real CSEM) on your computer or otherwise.

Like, pal, the person you're harassing isn't going to go to jail in the USA for having badly drawn anime jpegs, but you will actually for real go to serious adult jail if law enforcement finds out you have actual CSEM pictures-- even a single one-- on your computer to harass the people you're accusing of being "pedos" with.

[the-bar-sinister]

It's not pedophilia or inherently predatory to ship an adult woman character with an older adult male character.

It just isn't.

You can be grossed out about it all you like, and you don't have to ship it.

No one is saying you have to like age gaps.

But every time you call it "pedophilia" or "illegal" what you are doing is you are infantalizing adult women and removing them of their legal and social agency.

Calling an adult woman being shipped with an older man inherently predatory is misogynistic.

[bump-inthe-night]

Bullies are pissed off at Wrong_Organ because they’re being reprimanded for their behavior instead of rewarded. They expected the Mouthwashing developers to side with them and pat them on the back for harassing people and making the fandom toxic.

Imagine being an asshole who’s so far up your own ass that you believe the developers are “problematic” for being against you and others harassment.

[rosesradio]

*toxic in this context is an umbrella term for anything considered unhealthy in an irl relationship (examples: age gap, power imbalance, incest, general toxicity, etc.)

*elaboration in the tags is appreciated but please be respectful of others or you’ll be blocked, thank you!

[valar-did-me-wrong]

I keep seeing this sentiment among people that"the showrunners are giving into /going to give into Tolkien dude bros" and before too many fans actually start believing all this I jusy want to remind everyone somethings about..

The Hate Storm of 2022 🌪️

And how back then this show stood up with Ismael, Sophia, Cynthia, Morfydd, Sara, Lenny Meghan & Markella when the online hate was 1000000000000x worse than what you see rn.

If you weren't tuned into ROP back then, I assure you whatever vitriol you see about the show rn on twitter or ragetube is nothing compared to what was happening in 2022.

On sites like Instagram, not only bots & racists but even normal regular people used to directly bully you and pile on if you left even a single positive emoji in the show's comments.

Even many left leaning Tolkien blogs here were parroting lore points (originating on racist youtube channels) that were based solely on PJ movies, praising WB like it was a non-profit fighting against world hunger & warning to block ROP blogs on sight for watching a show made by Christian men

(PROF. TOLKIEN WAS A HINDU MONK WHO SOLELY WORE SAFFRON DHOTI I GUESS RIGHT?!?)

It was so much that back then the official trop Instagram account DELETED all their promotional photos, cast intros, teasers, trailers EVERYTHING to post a statment that condemned all the racist & horribly misogynistic vitriol thrown at the POC & female cast of the show.

They did all this when the hate campaigners were publically encouraging masses to review bomb ROP across internet to the point that IMDb had to suspend posting user ratings of the show without reviewing them first.

And the global public sentiment was basically hacked by loud incessant misinformation, lies and rage bait that made it trendy & even progressive to bash on the show.

Now despite all this the showrunners stood by their creative choices & actors back then just how they are doing it rn imo..

Remember when the Haters™ complained about Arondir being "too good of a warrior to be true"?? The show did not let that change their decision of showing Arondir as an exceptionally skilled warrior. Even in S2 when his storyline got disturbed by Nazanin leaving, they made sure to give him as many action sequences as possible, made him fight beside and more than High King Gil Galad of the Noldor & Elrond freaking Peredhel in the Siege.. even highlighted all this in BTS videos.

And when the the internet pushed that Galadriel should not be fighting on the frontline but rather float in forests?? They reminded the lore bros of Nerwen with her hairstyle exactly how Tolkien wrote and still made her fight orcs, rescue survivors, negotiate sucessful peace treaties, duel with Sauron & kick his ass in an ultimate finale showdown.

And orc family hate?? Despite all the loud nonsense around it they highlighted it with dedicated posts & Tolkien quotes instead of hiding it away.

And finally, despite consistent continuous complaints against the Harfoot storyline, they did not shrink it or write it out.. because in their vision of Tolkien the little guys & their stories are important so they stay, even going into S3.

I'm not saying there aren't any problems with their depiction of POC characters or writing or pacing. There DEFINITELY are, I mean look at who all died among Elrond's company... The problems especially with minor POC characters are there & VERY visible in S2. (which I hope they fix in future seasons)

But imo these things aren't because the show wants to please racist ragetubers or try to win over a group of Tolkien fanatics who will never become show fans anyway. You, me, my dog, the Haters™ and even Mcpayne know this.. it's common sense atp.

All to say this show was literally forged in the fires of Internet hate storms, I don't think the pathetic flicker of the remaining Haters matters to the showrunners anymore.

(Also the ratings people keep using to scare the fans are US ONLY ratings & data, there's a whole world out here beyond US & the show remained in the Prime top shows across many countries for weeks & weeks after the S2 finale.. and the constant stream of new viewers that are starting the show for the first time just on this website should be proof enough that the show is doing fine) Don't let the show haters' talking points get to you!

Season 3 is, for all intents & purposes, already green lit and ROP is going to complete the story it started out to tell.. don't worry needlessly :)

edited Tolkien lore bros to Tolkien dude bros (I'm not saying all masc fans of Tolkien are racist sexists I promise, it's just a term we use here 😭) after someone from outside of ROP pointed they have a problem.. clarifying things here also, if you love Tolkien & dislike ROP for reasons other than female lead/POC characters/not a copy of PJ = bad etc etc, I've no problem with your personal opinions & this post is not about you :)

[clownfessionsofficial]

"DNI if you ship ILLEGAL ships!!!!!"

Tell me you suck cop dick without telling me you suck cop dick

[cilil]

Ok, really not tryna vague or be shady, but I just gotta say: I do not and will never understand why there's so much drama around ships becoming canon or not.

Seriously, why do you care. Is your ship game that weak? Do you need a stamp of approval from other people for what you like and how you creatively express yourself? Because, sorry, but that's technically what that is and you don't need it.

C'mere. Come to auntie. Listen. I multiship like crazy and lots of weird and niche rare pairs too. Whenever any of my ships become canon that's pretty much an accident and a statistical outlier and because I just happened to like what the creators like for once. And then I usually think "oh that's nice" and go on with my madness. No getting smug and using it to put others down either!

I'm telling you this because I simply can't stress enough how much more chill and fun shipping is if you become deeply unbothered by what's canon, what the creators think and what other people approve of. Again, you need nobody's stamp of approval. And if people nag and bully you about what you like then these people suck and they have no right to demand explanations from you.

Make your case not to justify yourself to bullies - they won't be convinced anyway - but to get other people interested. Make your case through your art, your writing, your headcanons, your conversations with other fans. Make your case through passion.

And stop letting others tell you what you can and can't ship. Which goes both ways, just saying.

Ok, that's it, bye

[the-obnoxious-sibling]

You would get more likes with mishanks than with shuggy. Mishanks ff is more popular. Mihawk is actually a great character but he’s a hidden gem so I guess you could miss those details about him. But if you reread you have to focus on him! He’s important to shanks just like buggy! It’s the best op ship and I love how he’s more equal and understanding to shanks than buggy

😑 it's a good thing i don't care about how many likes i get, then.

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

I was gonna wait for the poll to close to share this, but I think I've gotten enough results on that one to move on. I've chosen to make this into a full-on survey because I don't wanna spam this blog with polls lmfao. I also included the poll question in case anyone who answered wrong the first time can change that. Once again, you don't have to be associated with either side (or even identify as 'neutralship') to take this. This is an open discussion.

Additionally, I encourage yall to reblog so others can answer too!/nf

Once again, please be civil in the reblogs. Also, rude/inflammatory answers on the final question will not be counted.

[sephirthoughts]

"i don't multiship"

"i only play pretendsies with these dollies in this one specific and rigidly defined way and refuse to imagine any other ways there might be to play pretendsies with these dollies"

[goneforawhileever]

'Sibling Coded'

People calling some relationships ‘sibling coded’ nowadays make me roll my eyes because this idea that people can't fall in love because they're good friends is strange. Like I get it if the show goes out of its way to define the two of them being nothing more than platonic besties (ItaKugi for example, the show beat that ship over the head with a shovel and shot it behind the building), but sometimes it's just two characters that are good friends that have enough in common to feel as if they could one day fall in love, which is the core principle of shipping after all, but some human in the top percentile of dickheadery will scream in your ear that they're 'sibling coded' and should NOT be shipped because it'd be WEIRD!!!! (even though they're the ones that projected a sibling archetype onto the pair, solely them.)

Another variation of this is sometimes worse lol people will see two characters with straight up undeniable romantic implication in the series but will die on the hill that they're just friends or sibling coded (We all know at least one of these)

[shsl-fujoshi]

Being an anime fan is like "my favorite ship is huge in japan and there's a ton of art of it. If I mention this ship on tumblr people will tell me to kill myself."