#zelda canon

[lore-from-hyrule]

Ocarina Of Time Ganondorf And Link's Heights

So in Hyrule Historia there is concept art of Ganondorf from Ocarina of Time. His height is revealed to be 230 cm Tall. So I went on to get the closest comparison of Adult Link and Ganondorf near each other. And by using Ganon's knee height I estimated Link is about 5 feet and 1 inch tall. This is something I noticed is some people on the Zelda Dungeon Forums also came to a similar conclusion about Link's height. So yeah, that's their canon heights in Ocarina of Time.

BTW, if the information in this post is similar to a post from a certain Mario Lore Blog, that's because that's my Mario Lore Blog. Which should be kind of obvious based on the blog names and formatting.

[lore-from-hyrule]

I am reblogging this here due to it's relevancy to things like Zelda "theories."

My Thoughts on Game Theory

So, a little side tangent away from my other posts, I don't like Game Theory. This post I am making is going to serve as an explanation on why, and a place I can direct people towards to easily explain it. Side note anyone reading should not use the information here to harass either Game Theory or the other person mentioned in it.

That aside, awhile back a video was uploaded by a channel I follow named Inside A Mind titled How I almost worked for Game Theory, with a later addition of "edit now I do." The video goes over how he was approached to join Game Theory, and he talks about a Gravity Falls hypothesis video he came up with which now exists on Film Theory.

Why am I bringing this up? Well in the video Inside A Mind talks about some email exchanges he had with MatPat, these exchanges contain information that shows blatant dishonesty in his theory crafting. In this conversation MatPat talks about brushing aside contradictory information that basically debunks the theory that is being crafted. He specifically used the Mario Is Mental videos as his example stating that in the Mario Power Tennis shoe grinding scene was focused on on for a reason, and how he purposefully left out information about anything good Mario has ever done. "You control the story. Don't feel like you have to talk about everything. Focus on the strongest evidence and brush aside some of the weaker moments or parts THAT MAY CONTRADICT WHAT IT IS YOU'RE trying to prove. For good example, look at the MARIO IS MENTAL series of videos--- I really focus in on that shoe gridning moment and AVOID ALL MENTION OF THE GOOD THINGS MARIO HAS DONE THROUGHOUT THE SERIES, In that way, I'm able to direct the viewer focus to what is going to be most compelling for the overall story I'm trying to tell."

MatPat has made various theory videos over the years that have spread blatant misinformation about games such as Mario, and this shows that a lot of it is straight up intentional. This has majorly messed up people's perception of the lore of games like Mario, and it even comes off as irritating when he talks about how loves the lore of games when he won't even properly represent it. It's not just Mario, it's also Sonic, Pokemon, Megaman, Undertale, Minecraft, and yes Fnaf as well.

It's also annoying how people will believe his claims with no questions, and when challenged they say "it's just a theory." MatPat himself has tried to also use the "it's just a theory" defense and claim it's all just fun speculation. However, this defense is invalidated because 1 he has already stated that he ignores lore to create his theories, and 2nd how he gets so upset over criticism of his theories. Prime examples include criticism over his Sans is Ness theory, his recent Game Theory: Why You HATE My Theories (FNAF) video, and most notably his Mario is Mental theory. He basically tries to have his cake and eat it too.

It is also just straight up obvious on how he ignores actual game lore, countless people have pointed it out before. Heck several of my lore posts I've made either outright debunk MatPat's claims, if not throw major monkey wrenches into his theories.

Edit, I also have to note in his earliest videos MatPat actually did partake in the process of change his hypotheses(what his theories actually are), when presented with evidence that contradicted it. He didn't do it often but he still did it. I also think some of his theories might hold water, the Banana War to be precise.

Anyways I hope this serves as an explanation on why I don't like Game Theory videos.

[st-hedge]

I am waiting… waiting for you…

[emily-e-draws]

this dynamic is so important to me

[puppyeared]

basement guys

[localicecreambiter]

this is how I remember the four swords manga

[blueskittlesart]

Linktober day 12: Princess

[ganondoodle]

rough concept for the intro; escaping from reawakened ganondorf

(totk rewritten project)

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[bluebelledmoon]

love how the botw fandom went fucking wild when age of calamity came out in 2020. and no one talks about it anymore. don’t you remember HIM?????

and THEM??.

and all of THIS????

[bookishzelda]

They’re giving Zelda a wand instead of a sword because they’re COWARDS

[lore-from-hyrule]

On The Canonicity Of The Zelda Books

So many people have doubted the canonicity of Hyrule Historia, Arts and Artifacts, the Encyclopedia, and Creating a Champion. I myself am mostly neutral on it partially because I have mostly avoided the Zelda community's thoughts and opinions to avoid outside influence as I am currently working on playing the games and studying things like manuals.

But for now I felt like sharing this video which goes over the development and input on the Zelda books. Debating the canonicity of the information inside. Some people disagree stating it doesn't cover everything others agree with most of it. But he does make mistakes on the strategy guide comment for an example.

Patrick Thrope in the video claims they get things like 400 and 500 words from the licensor and interview them. That they try to remain as unbias and accurate. as possible presenting what Nintendo wants through their intent. While outside of this video there is people who also point out there are still blunders in several sections and possible mistranslations as well. Some like the Fire and Spirit Medallions being switched are mistakes that are fixed in later editions though. So discuss in the comments below.

[emberglowfox]

he did get those braids after all

[entiqua]

"i vow to save her from all of this" | linktober day 9 secret

[lore-from-hyrule]

Why Smash Bros. is not canon to Zelda

Super Smash Bros is not canon and unreliable for Mario Lore P1

So it's fairly common for people to try to use the Super Smash Bros series for either theory crafting, or to understand the lore of games like Mario. While I have addressed it before this time I want to go more in depth.

So for starters as the characters in Smash Bros are intended to be toys in the real world. Masahiro Sakurai clarified this in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Direct 11.1.2018. "In the Super Smash Bros. series the characters are toys in the real world, but they are fighters in the world of the imagination. Returning to the real world is an ongoing theme, in the imagination you can battle impossible combinations of characters." This also further made evident by the introductions to SMB64 and SMBM. This also explains why characters like Ridley and Olimar are not their accurate sizes. But the second reason is the portrayal characters in Smash Bros. especially when reading the descriptions of the trophies. So I'm going to go through the Mario ones. Note I will eventually like examples from other franchises once I address them on my other lore blogs.

Now while not a Trophy Bowser's model in Smash differs from what it is like in game which I talked about in this post. SMBM's Dr. Mario's trophy says "with his dedicated nurse, Princess Peach, at his side, Dr. Mario spends day and night in his laboratory working on new miracle cures. Somehow, he's managed to keep up with all the new viruses that have arisen over the years." Note this one and the next one may seem nitpicky but we'll be addressing more outright contradictions. In the Mario Canon Mario does not spend day and night working on cures for various new viruses. As we know Mario is a plumber and that's he spends day and night working on. SMBM's Coin Trophy says "the Mushroom Kingdom is dotted with these mysterious coins. There seems to be an endless supply hidden in various blocks, and Mario gains an extra life when he manages to collect a hundred of them. No one can confirm whether or not these coins are actually used as the currency of the Mushroom Kingdom, but it's a safe assumption." There is some information while not established at the time it is canonized that specifically the 64sque coins is the Mushroom Kingdom's currency. But these coins aren't the ones found throughout the world. SMBM's Lakitu Trophy says "These airborne menaces used to ride their clouds exclusively as Bowser's henchmen. They typically hover just out of Mario's reach and hurl Spinies with irritating precision. More recently, however, they've been known to take on less evil tasks, such as doing camera work for sports events and even helping Mario on his quests." This is in accurate because not all Lakitus work for Bowser, and the Lakitu Bros and ones that run the sports events don't work for Bowser. I plan to make posts about friendly Lakitus and the Lakitu Bros eventually. Also, in SMBU there is some dialogue that involves Pit as they talk about the Koopalings. "The relationship between Bowser and the Koopalings is a real mystery." This is something that is not a mystery, and the Koopalings have been established to be Bowser's minions for a long time at this point. I have addressed this in a previous post. Continues in Part 2

[daeyumi]

we r exploring a dungeon