#you dont have to make a point of your disliking

[breadlover64]

BINGQIU VS LIUSHEN/ANY OTHER SHIP WITH SQQ PART 1

BEWARE I HAVENT READ SVSSS IN A WHILE AND I MIGHT’VE MISSED SOME STUFF! Feel free to correct and give your opinions about this.

Theres gonna be two parts to this bc tumblr can’t take all my writing sooooo 😛

In the SVSSS fandom, I’ve noticed that compared to other mxtx’s novels, the mc gets shipped with half of the cast more often and is more widely accepted in the fandom compared to the tgcf and mdzs fandoms (if you ship Hualian or Wangxian with anyone, it will get you death threats, istg 😓). However, with Shen Qingqiu, while of course he gets shipped with his love interests, another really popular one is him with Liu Qingge and many other characters in the novel. I do think this also has to do with the fact that the fandom is more chill than the other two fandoms. Shen Qingqiu in general is just VERY shippable. But why? Why do some people like liushen more than bingqiu? Obviously, I know this is simply a preference, but why do people prefer it more than the canon couple? Well, I have some speculations. First, while I love Bingqiu, I can admit that their relationship is not for everyone; even for me, they’re my least favorite main couple of the three (it's just my opinion, DONT ATTACK ME🙏) because their dynamic can be seen as somewhat toxic. Luo Binghe is very obsessive and kind of yandare like in the novel, and yes, he does have character development and regrets his actions and never really wanted to hurt Shen Qingqiu. I personally don’t feel like we see as much of this development until the very end. At least for me, I feel like we should’ve spent more time with a changed Luo Binghe, and I KNOW he was influenced by Xi Mo. I still didn’t feel completely satisfied with the Luo Binghe arc. I do think we see more of his development in the extras, which is what made me like Bingqiu a lot more, but I just wish we could’ve seen this in the main story instead of optional extras because I think the extras really show Luo Binghe’s growth and his love for Shen Qingqiu in a healthier way. I am aware this boy is very mentally ill. While I’m not a writer, as a reader, I think mxtx could’ve done more for him because he can end up more dislikable for some people and just less appealing of a love interest. I personally LOVE Luo Binghe and how chaotic he is, but again, that is not for everyone, so I can definitely see why some people don’t like him as much. With Shen Qingqiu, this is a bit different. I felt that by the end of the novel he had massive progress and huge development for his character; even if he still has his flaws, you can really tell he has changed and grown throughout the story, but he’s still himself if that makes sense. I felt wayyy more satisfied with his arc than Luo Binghe's; however, I will say that Shen Qingqiu has this sort of shame. While I wouldn’t necessarily call it internalized homophobia, he does have this sort of stigma towards gay people and him being gay himself. And while it can be funny, if you really think about it, even by the end of the novel and in the extras he still has this shame of sleeping with Binghe and showing basic affection, but I won’t really criticize this much because he does improve in this a lot by the extras. By that point, it really feels more like shyness than the shame he felt at the beginning when he first discovered Luo Binghe's feelings. So I will argue that Shen Qingqiu arc is pretty well done and concluded by the end of the book; at least to me, it really did feel like he changed. Okay, so the second reason is because Bingqiu got together when they were both still ‘not at their best’. What do I mean by this? Well in tgcf Xie lian had to endure a lot of torture and experience several traumatic situations and almost released face disease and killed a bunch of people with it. He was clearly very mentally unwell! And for Hua Cheng, he also went through a lot of trauma with his mom dying when he was young and the abuse he went through from his father and the kids who made fun of him to the point where he wanted to end his life, and then later he became a ghost with his parasocial attachment to a god. We see these characters at their worst, but when they get together, they are already 800+ years old and have lived a long life and matured and learned from their experiences.

[permettez-moi]

Okay. So. I typically prefer to keep fandom things lighthearted and silly, but this one struck a chord for me. I will try to keep the rambles minimal and make a properly formulated response (I think I succeeded) to the point that I wrote my thoughts out on paper first. (4 A4 pages, I am so sorry. Long post.)

Your first point, I must say, I believe to be quite personal. Not everyone thinks the same way, so some things you find boring or redundant, someone else never thought of, and finds it very creative or unique.

Furthermore, creativity isn't easy. Some days it runs at you, arms wide open. Other days it hides away and you need to learn how to find it. You can't force people to be 'more creative'

Secondly, 'the godawful out of character headcanons'. A headcanon is just that. From the head. We make them to relate to a character, find comfort in them, or to hate on them. The whole point of headcanons, fanon etc. Is to tweak your little guy (literally for the RA fandom) until he is just right for you. Once again, personally, I find book Halt a fun and intruiging character, who spoke to me. I have come across fanon versions of Halt, such as autistic! Halt , that made me cry because I felt seen and understood. It healed a small part of me, simply because this was a character I was already connected to, simply because I liked him. Now a version of him was made that struck me to my very core. I have watched many pieces of media with original autistic characters, but none moved me the same way, because that initial connection was missing.

I understand that not all fanon is your cup of tea, it shouldn't be. There are a lot of takes I don't enjoy, but it's the internet. All you have to do is scroll once, and it's gone. We're on tumblr.com, if you truly don't like what someone comes up with, simply block them. Curate your own experience.

'Long essays about incredibly obvious things, which read as if they were written by younger fans and could have been summarised in a small post'

Much like my previous point, you don't have to read the long essays. Just scroll on past them. And I don't think it's right to discard them as obvious. Not everyone thinks the same things. I have read quite some posts about things I had never even considered that put my mind in motion and made me come up with new fresh things. I don't think you can discard the newer or younger audience and complain about the lack of creativity in one post. Creativity is something that grows from interaction. A fresh pair of eyes goes a long way.

Sometimes you might read something and think 'this is obvious' but there might be a new apprentice out there who now looks at the series in a new way. Great perception and comprehension doesn't just spawn. It's a skill you learn by engaging in it. I am sure that you too, once discovered obvious things as something wholly new. They are growing the foundation of their thoughts and interactions, please don't bash and degrade them for a matter completely out of their hands. They didn’t pick when they were born, and can't force their learning curve. You don't condemn a flowerbud for not jumping straight into growing petals.

Now, I don't know if I am counted as either a fan artist, nor a 'settled' one at that. I still feel fairly new to active fandom (not sure if that's a shared opinion or a me-thing) and I definitively don't pump put fanart like crazy, but I've made some things. So I am not sure if I can respond to this properly, as I am not sure I am the intended audience. All I can say is that when I draw or make a piece, it's for me. Not the likes or the reblogs. They're fun, sure, but ultimately, fanart I draw, I draw for me. This is not instagram.

And then, the very last bit (I promise) about fanartists interacting less and less, and moving to other fandoms: it happens! This is not unique to RA, we are just a small fandom so you notice it a lot more. We can't all be obsessed all the time. Interests fluctuate. Some artists might come back, others might not. Fandom is a sea filled with waves. Why do you think there are more youngin's? It's the tide. I don't think it has to do with fandom as much as personal life. Because, to be honest, if a whole bunch of people shared your opinions, they would not leave the fandom. They would pull a Moses and split the fandom in two. A part that remains as it was, and a part that's new.

And if you want fanartists to stay and keep drawing stuff, maybe don't tell the younger ones that they are worthless because then they will never want to draw for RA again, and that's how fanart dies down.

So please, I kindly ask you to tone down your anger toward the younger apprentices. It's okay not to like all the changes and new things, but don't blame the people that do.

You can't dislike how little 'quality' and new things are being posted while simultane being mad at the younger ones posting new things with qualities the older ones might’ve already discovered.

Hating on fandom, that is the best way to kill discourse.

i genuinely hate going onto the rangersapprentice tag. no shade to anyone but ninety percent of the posts right now are completely empty of any creativity whatsoever. you have people posting the most godawful out-of-character headcanons, writing these looong essays on something that was incredibly obvious in the first place and didn't need an entire post dedicated to it or some mixture of the two. its so annoying. i get younger fans joined this year but some of these read like they were written by middle schoolers, come on.

this fandom used to be full of artists but most of them migrated away since their high effort posts would get the same amount of attention as someone saying some crap like "Headcanon: Halt is a total softie :) He likes pigeons" i dare people to go onto the profiles of well known RA artists and ask their opinions and you will see that i'm right.

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[ganondoodle]

okay, bc i have seen this argument alot now (and it also seems to be the view point of aonuma himself..) is that "zelda cant do everything link does bc whats the point then"

and i take personal offense on that bc its a stupid argument (in. my. very. personal. opinion.- not judging people for liking it. its a ME thing)

whats the point? its that its her. its still a different character, different in story, background, personality, but i WANT to play zelda and she can do everything link does, why does she have to be so restricted and be bend over backwards to find some new way to make her 'useful' when link gets to do basically everything no questions asked (the only thing thats hers is like .. sealing power and sacrificial maiden, which i find a little underwhelming to say the least), if theres no point to it why are there always modders that model swap link with someone else, and in that case it has even less impact bc its an artificial model swap with no changes to the story (which can and should still be different when its the vanilla game with a different protagonist... its still a different character), clearly theres joy in just the model being a different one- and that isnt even to mention the story possibilities, since, again, its stil a different character

if we ever (never ... i know who we are talking about here) get to play as ganondorf i want to him to be just as versatile and active as link is, if we got a point and click adventure game for him instead bc 'whats the point' id be disappointed too- you can find any sort of excuse/explanation for zelda to be singled out but the fact remains it tracks with how female characters are often treated, and that hits a very sore spot for me

i guess i am unfortunately one of those annoying people that want to see female characters be treated exactly the same as male characters, possibly bc i am myself afab but identify as agender and have a deeply personal dislike for anything 'traditional' feminine bc i cannot and never will be able to truly live as myself in real life, it influences all of my work, my work is as just as much as my opinion on this, very personal

and in line with my point about modding, i see theres joy in just beign able to play as her even if its like this, i get that, i also get it for the creative aspect (though that mechanic worries me even more for the future bc it really seems to be the path now that -freedom = good, linear anything = bad-) it is a different idea and its not like i cant see that value- im not trying be "right" either, just bc i have that opinion doesnt mean i need everyone to agree, its a very personal thing, if you like it good for you! not for me though, and i think both of that is equally valid

i just personally wish she was allowed to be just like link, fight just like him but be different bc its still her and not him in the end- to be physically/playstyle like jsut like him, but you know ... as her, i dont think shed stop being zelda if she could wield a sword just like him

i dont really know how to get my point/feelings across, i dont want to step too much into personal stuff nor spam people with something that ultimately doesnt interest me alot, im just saddened by it really

(EDIT: bc i forgot to add this on here again; this isnt as much of a problem as it might sound like here, just the main topic i wanted to talk about; why im so uninterested in it is MAINLY bc i dont trust them to write anything interesting/care about lore anymore after totk, im always on the more pessimistic side that thinks its most likely worse than id hope and i know even the past games arent perfect or super interestingly written, but now its much more just a general distrust, together with everything like the price ... im just much less hopeful and cant get excited until i see more of it, like im waiting for the game to get out and reveal that its just as much of a mess and money i regret spending- kind of fear)

[toytulini]

victorian style haunted house that has dysphoria about not being an open concept minimalist hellhole, before we even have those, so it doesnt know why it just feels sooo miserable and has to lash out at everyone inside it, so its wretched and haunted the whole time, until its finally bought by a house flipper in the 2020s who knows JUST how to fix it

[snixx]

life went forward and the world moved on but I never got over among us (2018)

[sai-haras]

(grabs you by the shoulders) listen. LISTEN. the point of v3's end is not that you get there and ask the question "well was shirogane lying about danganronpa and everything else?" the point is that whichever story was true, it mattered, because fiction can change the world. the game WANTS you to be uncomfortable and uncertain about who was right in the end because the game is ABOUT the complete subjectivity of truth and the failure of neat, linear reality from the word go. it also doesn't automatically mean the ending is "bad" because it leaves itself open to interpretation bcos that's the POINT the fact that you don't know and that you will never know is literally the POINT OF THE WHOLE GAME! this is true for every postmodern story btw

[heavy-lobster]

Hate it when I see people say shit like "the Violet paradox mons are so stupid and lame, they're all just robots!" like uhmmmmm yea they are and it OWNS ok. blasts you with my beam attack

[gobstoppr]

and btw im in my hater arc rn. as time goes on the more i find a lot of 'fandom' stuff insufferable (i like art n stuff. just the way that fandom refits every media to fit a single mold and set of boring archetypes is exhausting.)

i just get really easily annoyed lately. and have been unfollowing people on a whim a lot. its not personal i promise

[fruitsofhell]

WE HAVE TO FUCKING NORMALIZE PEOPLE WITH PERSONALITY DISORDERS AAA (runs into oncoming traffic)

[ribbonbonny]

THEYRE HERE!! AND IVE GOT NOWHERE TO FUCKING PUT EM 🔥🔥🔥

[imflyingfish]

Fish you are so good at building to me your the Bdubs of people I know

Pheo ;w; ty

[yerifes]

hm, anyways... get hype for hitball!!

[lord-squiggletits]

I luckily haven't been subjected to this brand of fan with my own eyes in a while, but it's hilarious to me how many IDW Megatron fans there are that hate the shit out of IDW Optimus (or any Megatron/Optimus in general) especially when they themselves are MegOP shippers. Like they'll be like "errrrmmmm Optimus is a cop fuck him he's literally evil" babe your fave is a literal dictator and a colonizer who didn't even treat his own Decepticons respectfully but IDW OP being a cop is so unforgivable? Or are we selectively applying the standard of "this is bad IRL therefore any fictional character who is X is also bad"? Megatron said he was sorry and regrets what he did but I guess you didn't read the parts where Optimus was also sorry/had regrets for what he did so that means it doesn't exist?

That or they do some crazy ass mental gymnastics to be all like "oh uh ermmm Optimus is evil because he said something mean to someone and punched them [casually fails to mention or explain the context at all]" but then with Megatron they'll turn around and be like "here's how Megatron colonizing planets was actually just him doing what needed to be done to ensure the survival of his race, also when Megatron becomes an Autobot here's how the people on the Lost Light are actually oppressing him for telling him to stop being a fucking asshole" [paraphrased versions of takes I have seen with my literal own eyes]. Like idk I feel like it's only-reads-MTMTE syndrome striking again or something? People probably don't read enough about Optimus to know the context of what he did AND they're laboring under the MTMTE illusion that Megatron was only kind of a bastard but was really good at heart, so in combination they just decide to be absolutely unhinged and say shit that isn't remotely true? Idk

Like damn you people are weak and your takes are trash. If you're gonna defend or hate a character at least do so based on accurate information from canon instead of making up weak bullshit on how Optimus sneezing on someone by accident makes the Autobots evil incarnate and how Megatron doing unspeakable crimes was just a little oopsie/him doing what had to be done. Couldn't be me.

[arolesbianism]

So. Sit with me everyone. We agree that we need to stop worshipping a person or media on the sole grounds of being gay right. Can we finally agree that it's not homophobic to criticize gay ppl with large platforms. Can we finally actually learn to think critically abt how these ppl talk abt ppl outside of their immediate identities and to recognize that just because they say they aren't bigoted doesn't mean they aren't. Please.

[caruliaa]

i love when swifties on another site say something dumb and all the swifties on here tear them to shreds for it. anyway u guys r right shake it off is so fun how can anyone hate her honestly. like people say they hate her until she comes on and everyones having a good time but how can you actually hate her

[lacependragon]

Give me a version of this game I can play.

It's not photo-sensitive friendly.

It is one of the most photo-sensitive unfriendly games I have ever seen that isn't triple A.

I have never seen a version that is photo-sensitive friendly. Never seen a version that is modded to help with the sharp, horrible black/white contrast and the migraines and vomitting and dizziness it causes me.

Give me a version of this game I can watch. That I can play. That I can do something with.

Toby Fox has enough fucking money and connections these days. The modding community exists.

I will STOP being mad about Undertale WHEN I CAN FUCKING PLAY IT. Until then, I think going "No, I don't think it's cool. I think it's kind of shitty I can't even watch LETS PLAYS of this game, and I don't want to hear it's baller lines because I CANT EXPERIENCE THEM EVER" is a perfectly reasonable response.

Until then, fuck this stupid game and every photo-unsensitive game out there.

Undertale was full of raw ass lines and I’m sorry y’all are too chickenshit to acknowledge this because you’ve decided it’s cringy to like things