#yes harry has a huge fanbase

[louisisalarrie]

remember how chaotic 2022 was like everyday was a new roller coaster they used to do smth crazy everyday

BRO like WHERE IS THE CHAOS they best be doing some crazy shit soon tbh, they know what we want hahahaha

But also Harry’s whole Houdini trick rn is good for his career, but it’s pushing it a little bit now. He’s on the cusp, and if it carries on for a couple more months, it will negatively affect his career and I can assure you of that

I want him to rest, 100%, and he deserves time away. But yeah, career wise? It’ll be in his best interest to be back in the public eye in the next 2 months.

And you know what I really miss? And what was so damn good about 1d? A small look into their lives and personalities. Fucking hell. It feels like EVERYTHING has to be promo and is strictly controlled for larry rn (separately, not just their closet).

Like… post a selfie, do a BeReal like Niall, get in touch with ur fans again, do a livestream, film a prank on ur band, etc.

And don’t get me wrong, louis jumps in the crowd and meets fans and he loves us so much. He ALWAYS tells us how much he loves us. I’m not shitting on him or harry at all. This is just a small tidbit of criticism about how important it is to connect with ur fans outside of work, even in the smallest of ways.

Share funny moments with us from fooling around backstage on your Insta story. Get ur fans involved in seeing your life just a tiny bit outside of touring and shows. It’s casual. It’s not a massive doco or anything. Just small things that keep us engaged.

Harry’s a private person, and he’s on break, I don’t expect him to do a 360 to try and connect with us. And louis is busy af. But there’s tiny things you can do to keep your fans on your side, keep your fans interested, remind ur fans of how stupidly giggly and ridiculous you are and who you really are. Transparency as an artist is hugely important. All of them fail to do that these days (which again, im not their PR manager and obviously they control what they want to share), but that was part of the appeal of 1d, ya know? It was a part of why we fell in love with them and what helped make them so huge.

Sorry this turned into a rant and I don’t mean any harm. It’s just a criticism that would benefit us and them. Pls don’t take this as me being like “they owe us every bit of their life!!!” Etc., just looking at it from the inside they aren’t capitalising on their demographic as much as they could be.

[zot3-flopped]

https://www.tumblr.com/zot3-flopped/771232575935086592/what-do-you-think-made-louis-so-popular-with-1d

This is a very online take to things. Louis has an extremely online and engaged fanbase, but it’s small. It’s like basically the front pit at Harry’s concerts and that’s his entire base. Harry has expanded so far out of that online base. Spotify listeners, album buyers, concert attendance - it’s all so much larger than online Twitter fans.

Louis fanbase equals his online loud fandom. Larries and ex-Larries make up 90%. So yes, if you are sitting on Twitter it might seem that Louis is hugely popular. In reality he isn’t. He just has loud fans. Lol.

'It’s like basically the front pit at Harry’s concerts and that’s his entire base.'

This! Similarly, if you compare their Spotify listeners, Louis has only 5% of the listeners Harry has, after a full three years of touring and festivals.

[awesomefringey]

Is this just my perception because of tumblr or do people actually care less about this stunt than any others before? like theres nothing to “chew on” for the gp either. they just do their thing and some harries get excited im sure but at what point does this become boring for them too?

I can only speak for myself, but yes, I’m hardly fazed by it all. Holivia has really bruised us in so many ways because they’ve gone off script so much.

Olivia herself was extremely attention hungry from the beginning. She would seek to be near Harry all the freaking time since her calendar was empty with no job in sight and split custody.

She would take her tired kids to the final show knowing very well People would drop the Holivia BUA less than 24 hours later.

Which took way too long in everyone’s opinion anyway, with all of her shit reflecting so badly on Harry. Hooking up with a subordinate, their shady stunt kickoff with Sudeikis hinting him and her weren’t done at the time, the embarrassing drama around Florence and Shia, the nasty custody battle that followed, the whack DWD promo interviews that revealed her twisted views on feminism, her arrogance towards Harry’s fans and calling us “mosquitoes”. Even Harry’s het fanbase bailed on her eventually, and they usually idolize any girl Harry lays his eyes on. I will never understand why Harry dragged her along for so long.

Olivia meant bad news in every way for Harry and in hindsight it looked like she needed Harry with his “good guy image” in her life to prove she’s not a terrible person.

With Hussell, Harry used familiar patterns from the beginning. The VIP tickets to the shows, the soho house roof top sun bathings, the strolls through London. We’re back to things being predictable. Taylor Russell has even received the same gold star package Olivia did, gets into Vogue, Harry Lambert takes care of her look and overall getting a huge push in the press for holding Harry’s hand. As long as TR doesn’t turn out to be another awful person in Harry’s life, we’ll be all but eye rolling from afar and yeah, possibly not care at all until the next BUA.

[ayana-banafrit]

The Harry Potter reboot!

I will say this!

They are only making this reboot now because the first season of PJO will drop soon and they are afraid that it will be more popular than Harry Potter(which, let’s be real it is). It is constructed and written waaay better than the the wizarding world.

This is only fear of what the success of the work of Rick Riordan will do for their franchise.

The only reason they aren’t as popular is because it never got an actual good adaption, while the Harry Potter movies were a huge success and brought to its overall popularity.

Ok I don’t know how to respond to coments here so I guess I’m gonna do it like this.

This isn’t about JKR’s politics, I don’t give a shit about that right now. I’m just mad that the only reason why they’re remaking the already adapted story instead of adapting something else from the same universe that already has a fanbase(marauders, the founding of Hogwarts, the cursed child era, the gaunt family, the black family, the three brothers maybe, Tom Riddle’s era…)

PJO ISN’T more popular than HP because it DIDN’T have the adaptations that HP did. If PJO got a good adaptation from the beginning, like HP did then yes it would have been more popular.

I’m not saying that it is now, I’m saying that it has the potential to be.

But it isn’t, because it didn’t get a decent adaptation.

[seasurfacefullofclouds1]

Hi, i'm so very glad I have found you blog, you make all the sense in the world, somtimes I feel like I'm alone seeing H true colors, I become a fan during MTAM era and it was just painful as you can imagine. I'm a Louie since then, but life get in the middle and for many years I left the fandom, I was never a lerrie because who would believe in such a tossic relationship with all the power on one side,and on the other you are alone with just your good heart and your honesty fighting the"giant" and the industry and the press and the toxic fandom. Long story short, in a very sad time of my life FITF helped my a lot when there wasn't much room for faith in anything. I feel a strong connetion to Louis for many reasons, he's truly a special human being. I want all the best for him because he really deserve it, the reason for this log rant is 1 I want to thank you for being so real and smart and kind, 2 I have a fear, let me explain in my broken Englis, I hope HS4 will be a smashing hit so he can stay far far away from Louis as a humanly possible.I know as a soon as H's success start to fading he will go straigh to larrybaiting and HEAVILY, Larry is his backup plan, always has been. Why this fear now? Harry is no longer the untouchable icon he was just 2 years ago, the acting career was a huge flop and a slap at his ego, Holivia open many eyes about his real character, his look, which is his major asset is faiding as well, the queerbaiting will not be accepted and condoned in this modern world, what remains? Yes he have a very ruthless and powerful management but The Product they sell has to be strong and palatable, 28 years old Harry was, 31 Harry not so much. So if his next albulm is not the hit they want I' m genuinely scared of the path they might take to limit the damage. I just want his greedy person away from Louis, sorry for this long unnecesay rant and for my bad English.

Hi,

Wow, what a read.

Even though they’re forever connected through One Direction, besides Louis’ being blacklisted by the industry, I don’t think Louis’ and Harry’s careers are really connected.

They bait Larries because it’s a big fanbase. But imo there’s no connection between them, their management or label anymore.

Harry is successful because his team is a well-oiled machine that reaches in every aspect of the music industry: connection to critical media, pop culture (fashion, cinema, television), and every aspect of music ownership (venue, ticketing, publishing, production, streaming, radio).

So TL: DR, Larrybaiting is only a tiny aspect of this machine.

Even though Harry is aging and no longer the golden boy of pop music, he’s a huge name, and his next album will go to number 1 and have big streaming hits. He doesn’t have any scandals hanging over him. Liam’s death will increase public interest. Harry will be the main beneficiary.

Harry has played his hand very well, distanced himself from any backlash (almost no backlash from dating Olivia Wilde; he and Wilde’s friend Stanley Tucci are a lovefest), stayed away from bad publicity. Harry remains “available always” for everyone’s sexual fantasies. You can see how even Larries salivate over his Pleasing penis charms (hint: it’s not about Larry).

Harry’s fans passively consume his product rather than engage in dialogue with him. Harry never communicates, and anyway it wouldn’t matter.

Harry’s team creates something shiny and outrageous, and his fans make up a story to suit their own narrative. You can see that they twist the latest Pleasing marketing photos (with J Anderson) into some kind of secret communication. However, everything is only a product. Just like the Eroda campaign, Harry datamines the fans and sells their own desires back to them. The meaning of capitalism is profit. There’s no secret meaning, philosophy, moral— only profit.

So in short, 2025 will see HS4 following the same successful pattern as before. Trump supporters didn’t learn from 2016 either. There’s always some sucker buying the product.

(The worst thing is we’ll have it shoved into every crevice of pop culture with no relief. Hate to put it like that but unfortunately Louis won’t be active either.)

[jedi-qui-gon]

I was so unsure whether I should post this or not.

The past few weeks haven’t been great for my mental health. The November 5th election was highly stressful and did not help at all.

It was an election that was a choice between-

Kamala Harris, who I voted for. Yes, her views regarding the genocide of Palestine by Israel are wrong, we need to stop the genocide and what’s happening there is beyond horrific. I had hope we could get her elected. And then through non-violent actions like protests, petitions, marches, etc we could put enough pressure on her and her administration to do the right thing. I had hopes she’d win, especially since she appeared to be the clear choice between her and her opponent.

Donald Trump, who is a horrible person with equally terrible policies. He’s sexist, racist, misogynistic, transphobic, xenophobic, ableist, a wanna-be dictator, fascist, serial liar, rapist and freaking raped a thirteen year old girl, mocked the disabled, and apparently said the disabled should die. I will never understand how anyone can support and love this man.

As a white cis guy who is on the autism spectrum and hard of hearing (require a cochlear implant to hear at all) I couldn’t in good conscience vote for Trump. So Harris was my choice.

My hopes of having our first female President this election were shattered on November 6th , when I found out that Trump won the election. Not only that, Republicans also won the Senate and House. I cried a lot that day, felt sick and nauseated, and even was thinking - “Do they really hate those of us that are different that much?!” And just this general feeling of being unwelcome in this country.

Not helping things is a sizable amount of my family voted Trump. It hurts, but I know my family loves me. They’re just brainwashed by extremist right-wing media into thinking Trump is great and will save the economy and lower prices on things like groceries. And also lack the needed critical thinking skills, otherwise they’d see who Trump really was.

I worry for all the people that will be hurt by Trump and his administration’s horrible policies – trans people, LGBTQ+, people of color, immigrants, those with disabilities, far too many to count. Basically it seems anyone who could be considered ‘different’ from what Republicans consider ideal is fair game to them.

Another worry is art, I am a fanfic writer and I worry what this might do to art and in general diversity. I hope people just keep at diversity, show that hate will not win. It may have won the battle on November 5th , but the fight is not over.

I’m currently getting my fanfics stuff together, trying to get my Star Wars Guardians of the Light universe together and going, it’s going as well as it can. Star Wars has become something I am very much into, despite the toxic part of the Star Wars fanbase which I try to ignore and not give any attention to.

Also, while it may not be obvious at the time of posting, I’m a huge Jedi fan. Yes, the Jedi Order is flawed, but then again, if they were perfect, then the heroes wouldn’t have any problems to solve or anything to fix regarding the Jedi Order.

We must not let hate win and we must not give in to fear, for that is exactly what Trump and the Republicans want.

[personinthepalace]

You're so right. I love that mischief has gotten big enough to get huge stars involved but I would like to read/see 1 article about PPGW that isn't solely enamored with nph

Anon, I was just ranting about this with some people in the Mischief server haha. And I've been upset about this huge celebrity promotion ever since they first brought tptgw to broadway back in 2017.

Like yes it is cool that they could get huge names involved in their broadway shows. JJ Abrams became a producer and helped to bring tptgw to Broadway. But then literally all the interviews were about JJ Abrams. And of course the interviewers would ask him questions about Star Wars instead of focusing on Mischief Theatre or tptgw itself. We're seeing a similar trend now with Neil Patrick Harris (who btw has extended his run to May 7th). The promos and interviews are about him and not the actual show itself.

And yes I know the reason for these big names is to bring in audiences and thus revenue, but it is quite annoying that Mischief themselves are barely getting any recognition themselves. I guess part of the problem is that Mischief shows are ensemble shows so there are no "main leads" to send out and do all the promos like most shows have. But Hen, Shields, and Jon could easily be the ones doing the promotions since they are the writers and heads of the show and company respectively. They should be promoting themselves so that the general audience could get to know them by name instead of "those funny british people." Their established fanbase + bringing in a celeb can't be their only marketing strategy

Also with NPH, it has the added injury that he is replacing Harry Kershaw who originated the role. Mischief fans (like me) are going out of their way to see the show for the original cast (also I have a side rant about that but that's for another time haha) but end up getting NPH instead of Harry himself. If they announced this way beforehand then it would have been fine but this unexpected announcement came as quite a surprise. Harry has gotten the short hand of the stick already in the BBC special where they had David Suchet to play the role of the narrator

Though someone did suggest an interesting idea if Mischief wants to continue this stunt casting. Mischief could get some big name (some suggestions include Christian Borle and David Tennant) to play as themselves in ppgw each week (similar to David Suchet in the BBC special). So they get a monologue similar to Suchet but related to their own work But it is a mystery guest so that would make people want to go see the show just to see who they get. And then Harry has another role (he could reprise his role as BBC guy) and/or he continue playing the Narrator once a week.

But of course this is an idea I could get behind if they promoted it from the beginning and don't make it the sole focus of their advertising of the show

Anyway this has gotten way longer and rambly then I intended haha but in short yes the constant advertisement of the celebrity instead of Mischief themselves is VERY annoying

[mychampagne-mybubbles]

I'm following you on twitter and love reading your thoughts, you're one of the most intelligent people there! Thank you for pointing out that the tattoo is really, really icky no matter what while other people are accepting the most ridiculous explanations (his sister's cat 😆)

Dear anon,

Thank you for coming here to pat my back, because the moment I saw the last sh*t show H gifted this fandom with I needed some love, probably a hug.

I am not proud of my pov, because what else can be seen there? I mean, I wished Harry’s content never took me to that dark reality in which he was unnecessarily showing off a huge tattoo by his groin: A tattoo that can perfectly be read as OLIVIA, the most recognized despicable partner he ever had & on the other hand the only one he has loved enough to ink her under his skin “forever”, a tattoo that he chose to get when looking miserably sick while walking the world by her side, breaking his fanbase’s hearts step by step: harries, larries & else.

Until here you have read the facts.

If from this point on people feel more comfortable thinking “Olivia” also stands for a pet, a town or a boat name. They can & probably will. Harry’s fans have learned (and I have been there too) to stand on that grey area he & his team created, the Fineline. Ironic ha?! A place in which he is het & gay, dating men & women… even at once, he can be working & on vacation, he can be spotted in different locations at once & be many things…anything & anyone we want him to be.

However, what makes him invencible is this fandom that delivers an unconditional support (which brought me a lot of thoughts about my role here) and lucky Harry (as hard it was for me to come down to this idea & therefore to write it now) always had some villain around to blame.

So yeah, I expected ridiculousness these “resting” days, but never EVER could imagine this. You have to wonder why he never showed it off before, maybe when LOT tickets were announced for instance.

🥂•N•

Note: No, I am not putting all the weight on him, 100% of times but I can’t ignore he is a 13yo experienced grown up professional, so I wont take the opposite for granted. Yes, I agree, its a sh*tty industry.

[breefarrow]

LMAO I had two eye rolling anons in my ask box one was SUPER long and not worth giving time and energy into reading/responding but the other was shorter and I was willing to reply to but when I blocked the long ass anon the other anon went away meaning it was the same person. 😭😭😭

Their dumbass couldn't handle my post last night and the fact I said some who go to harrys concerts are just there for SM clout. Like yes he has a lot of dedicated fans but he also has a lot of for the moment fans bc hes the IT pop boy right now. Back in the day I use to get made fun of for being a harry fan and now some of those same mfers are posting about being at LOT on SM that shit pisses me off.

They also complained saying "at least harry isn't trying to allianate his fans who don't believe the public image/narrative like louis." Did one just forget about the 2 years of HELL when it came to olivia? And harry being pegged not only a womanizer but a homewrecker? Plus all the dates they went on? Pretty sure that allianated some fans just as much if not more than a 5 second comment on stage.

Also they mentioned streaming numbers and shit when big stream numbers doesn't always equate to fans. Some have really big hits but don't really have a huge fanbase and only have big streams bc x songs get added to popular playlists that millions listen to. And its definitely dumb to mention lou streams when we know damn well "they" have fucked him over in more ways then one when it comes to solo music. Li hasn't had new music in a while and his one album is mostly club songs he didn't really write so how does he have more listeners than lou?

[alarrytale]

Unfortunately I feel that it's so much easier to support Harry than Louis these days which seems unfair when Harry is the one with a huge fanbase and support from the public and music media.

Harry last stunted in April 2024 with TR and since then there's been nothing from him or anyone on his team which could upset Larries or fans who think he's queer.

He hangs out with his gay fashion designer friends (Aless*ndro, JWA, SSD), two of his managers and his stylist are gay. Harry is fully embedded in the community and he and his team seem just fine with Larries or, if they're not, they're not going to let it show.

Hi, anon!

I think you're forgetting the zion*sm, the queerbaiting and being papped with his buddy, and all around awful person, JC...

I honestly struggle so much with H having the platform that he does, and not using it for good, and instead aligning himself with privileged and hateful people, who are happy to support geno*ide. That has nothing to do with me being a larrie, and more to do with me being a human who doesn’t like seeing awful people being rewarded and lauded, and seeing children suffer in war...

It isn't easy being a fan of either H and L nowadays. Both their images are making them behave in ways i struggle to accept and condone. I'm not sure if i will ever forgive Harry for his silence on the geno*ide and being seen with a zion*st days after. That was a strong message, also considering his past actions in regards to this subject. Unless he addresses it and takes a clear stand against it, i don't think i'll ever forgive him. That was a really hard blow and showed me how hypocritical his image really is.

So i don't know if i agree that supporting H is easier than supporting L. From the perspective as a larrie and lgbtqai+ member, yes. But overall? Shit all around.

[louisisalarrie]

I get that fans are upset with him but sometimes this boy appears so traumatised to me. All these poor PR moves outside of urgency etc as you rightly point out. I am pretty sure also that he and harry both must be pretty annoyed by a large group of the Larry fanbase and their behaviour. It must be quite challenging to navigate this environment when closeted, under various pressures and wanting to grow your own career.

Oh boy. Yep. That boy has been through so damn much. Let’s talk about Larry coding, and fan demographics/reactions. I think i can kinda hit all of your points in here with that. Anon, welcome to the show.

So, i can totally understand and agree with you about a small amount of larries who… take it too far isn’t really the right phrase, but just… reach? Massively? And are awfully loud about how Louis and Harry are always doing something that relates to each other? And.. that can be frustrating.

Navigating a closet in an environment where a huge amount of your demographic are larries, is no easy task. I don’t envy him whatsoever, and yea, he has absolutely been traumatised by Simon, previous PR managers, the 1d mgmt team… it’s just awful. He can’t be himself, and he’s trying to express himself however he can, but… everything is related back to Larry. And i actually don’t see these reaches on tumblr. We actively analyse and of course we talk about blue greening and stuff, but my god some of the theories on twitter are actuallly delusional. It makes Louis have to think 400 times before he does anything, because these “famous” larrie accounts are analysing it to an insane degree and a lot of other larries are eating that shit up. The analysis of the most simple things he does, being taken into a wild and ridiculous theory, is not helping him. I’d wager that that’s the bloody conspiracies he’s talking about.

And no, im not shitting on other larries. We are all fighting for the same thing. Freedom. But my god some of these twitter folk genuinely don’t give it a rest. Every. Single. Little. Thing. And yes, people reach because we aren’t getting any clear content at the moment. I get it. But sometimes this shit is actually pushing it, and Louis and his team would be seeing that.

They are seeing his career, every step he makes, being analysed and almost unsupported by some larries because they’re immediately making it out to be about Harry. I’m not saying neither of them Larrybait, but not everything is Larry coding. And i can imagine how frustrated that would make him. He’s trying to go out on his own, and of course Harry would support that and of course they do still wanna communicate with us, but damn. I hope they see tumblr shit, or at least see the good side of larrie twitter, because genuinely it’s too easy to lump us in with the folk who are truly taking it too far.

Yeah, anyway, he is 100% traumatised by being forcibly closeted and truly exhausted by this all, and throughout the continuous stunts and fame and threats and contracts and NDAs, still trying to do what you love can be hard.

[faggotnadyke]

[video description: a TikTok by @/ziosaaa, a black person. The video is titled "Black People can be Queer and no they don't have to prove it".

Initially a greenscreen showing a tweet that reads:

this habit of adopting bisexuality for the sake of appealing to your LGBT fanbase while never actually dating women is so weird to me. and yes it was weird when Doja and Nicki did it too

end tweet text.

video transcript:

This tweet has been starting some discourse lately, so let's talk about it. If you didn't know about it already, the wonderful Megan Thee Stallion has just recently launched a new album (and you should go listen to it) and within this album, along with many [themes] for other songs, Megan talks about some bisexual themes. Usually it's things like you know, "I got a n*gga, I got a bitch" "I'm a banana, they got a split". But in her newest song, Broke His Heart, she raps "I like girls and I like n*ggas, both of them getting ate". Which, you would think would be a huge W for the LGBT community, 'cause Megan the Stallion, [in italics] Megan the Stallion. But if you've been a fan for a while you know that Megan has been openly bisexual, especially on her tour. But after this lyric dropped (and there were some posts on Twitter) Megan has been facing some backlash as people [are] saying that she is "bisexual for a fanbase". But the bigger issue here is how a lot of black artists or artists of color in general are heavily policed in their sexuality. I had some moots [mutuals] break this down in a really great way. You had artists like Tyler [the] Creator, Doja [Cat], Cardi B, Nicki [Minaj], Megan [thee Stallion] who all have said that they're bisexual, but everyone wants them to prove it in some way, shape or form.

But in the same breath these people will you know pioneer cishet white women as the queer icons, even though we know they're straight and they have never once ever claimed any bisexuality. A great example of this is like Taylor Swift. I have been seeing like "Taylor Swift is secretly bisexual or secretly lesbian" theories for like over ten years now. And even though she has never once claimed this, no one is like "critiquing her", saying she's a "fake bisexual", 'cause we know she's not, even though poeple are theorizing that she is. But then you have these black artists who are like "hey yep I'm bi" and everyone's like "you can't be bisexual, you're faking it, you just want a new fanbase, mehmehmeh, let me see you kiss a girl then". More examples of this: Harry Styles. Someone who's never explicitly said that they were bisexual or queer and yet they are also being shown as a queer icon.

Megan or any other bisexual woman who decides that they just never will date women are still bisexual and who knows, maybe Megan is dating a woman and just wants to keep it under wraps 'cause you guys are [in italics] so weird! For example, I'm pretty sure Phoebe Bridgers is also bisexual but has only ever dated men. And yet people have taken her into the community with open arms.

This is just a reminder that black people are and can be queer, and no, they do not have to prove it to you. Matter of fact, go thank your local black bisexual, 'cause they're probably doing more for the community than you ever will. Have a great day.

end video transcript. end video description.]

[fallingsunflower]

You gotta be kidding me. Have you ever seen his show ever? You can claim 80,000 are there for clout or fun. Otherwise they weren't so dedicated to the show and him. It's okay to say he got bigger than that. Same with Beyonce and Michael Jackson who were in the band. It always will be 1 who gets more in the band.

And you claim majority of those 80,000 wouldn't leave the fandom or unstan him if he wasn't the hot and sexy Harry Styles? Let's say Harry got into a relationship with a man, you don't think harries, that live their wattpad fantasy through his model girlfriends wouldn't immediately unstan him and find someone else to stan? You don't think the impatient fans wouldn't leave the fandom, if he went away for a while (like a couple of years) because they were too bored and impatient to wait for him and would probably find someone else they think is better to stan? You don't think larries / zarries / bradriess and other shipping fandoms wouldn't leave the fandom the day they realise their ship isn't real?

Like I said. Harry has a huge fanbase. But only a small percentage of that fanbase are real loyal fans and most of them are fans that have stanned him since the 1D days. Say whatever you want about the other boys but their fans are always so supportive of them no matter what. It's only Harry who has to deal with fans like gf harries and the stalkers that claim to be fans. And for me, I don't consider them to be fans. Sorry not sorry 🤷‍♀️

And yes a lot of "fans" do go to his shows in hopes to be invited backstage by Harry to hookup with him hence the disgusting signs some of them take to the shows.

I met fans at one of the NYC shows that were trying to get invited backstage 😭😭 I was like girly what

[twopoppies]

sorry about the ABSOLUTE essay this about to be, but:

i’ve been a fan since 2012, and what today’s fans can’t understand is how much modest’s marketing still effects us. all things considered, harry and louis had quite similar backgrounds, but their teams needed archetypes to sell. louis became the plucky unique-sounding underdog in a rags to riches story, who came from an unstable home life and made it big. harry they wanted as their star, so they pushed the image of a quiet nuclear family, elegant coparenting, and a normal small town upbringing (of course, making him too posh would grate on people.) louis was characterized as loud, sassy, a jokester, and harry was characterized as mature, charming, well raised. (aside from the sex demon image, but hey! easier to sell than a gay boyband frontman.)

and god, did that marketing work. fans didn’t know anne had a husband between des and robin for YEARS. the years harry spent living over a bar, erased. jay being able to successfully support 5 kids? brushed aside. but fans were young, we didn’t see everything going on, just the images built for them. they were so ingrained, and hit us young, and now they’ve carried over. the image that served harry well in 1D has now been turned against him, and fans have the impression he’s just another rich white guy who was handed everything. louis’ has built him a sturdy fanbase who love rooting for the underdog, and dismiss anything that remind them he’s also rich and white and sometimes a little out of touch.

I don’t really have a conclusion. we haven’t really gone anywhere since then. but I think it’s important to not just acknowledge the disparity in how harry and louis are treated, and examine why that is.

Fucking THANK YOU for bringing that up. Yes, yes, yes. So many newer fans have no idea and even those of us who’ve been here for a while easily forget all those details. PR and marketing is a huge industry and they fabricated images for these boys from very early on and HL (and the others) are still living with those images, as much as they may have been tweaked and added to.

In reference to this

[skepticalarrie]

vm(.)tiktok(.)com/ZM8bkhb8v/ Hi Allie I would love to know your thoughts on this video ?

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Hello, dear. Oh yes I saw that. @twopoppies answered about that earlier and I agree with every single word she’s said. When the person on the video mentioned TS I was like okay all this bullshit makes sense now lol to mention Taylor and words like “genuine” in the same sentence should be only allowed as some sort of irony because it totally feels like a joke.

What I think is happening with Harry right now is a rebranding. Slowly but surely. For a while actually but it’s really noticeable on his last few projects. All the guys from 1D ended up a bit “stuck” with a very young fanbase because what they had in the band was so massive and the way it was marketed was so strong that it feels like it’s something that they were never able to get rid of, even with Harry who has this huge fanbase on his own, a lot of his public image remains the same. The way people “understand” Harry remains the same, which is honestly IMO the most inauthentic and manufactured part of him. And it feels like right now he's almost standing on the line between one thing and the other, between old and new.

I’ve seen a lot of people asking why the fuck Harry is trying to sell $20 nail polishes or anti-ageing products for his teenage fans. And the answer is he’s not. He’s rebranding and this is not targeted at a great part of his fans. So if you don’t understand the concept of Pleasing or Commes Des Garçons, this is not for you. This is the most genuine I’ve seen from Harry since… maybe forever? I mean that photoshoot?! Fuck, it’s so Harry! And I can only speak about subjects I’ve knowledge of, so I have no idea about the quality of the products or whatever but marketing and branding it's what I’ve been doing for the past 10 years and from that perspective, Pleasing is flawless. When I read his Dazed interview and then when I read about the brand, it all comes together so perfectly and it makes so much sense. Everything is so well constructed from the eco-ethical and sustainability approach to the diversity on the photoshoot and the “myth of a binary existence”. People who truly understand the value of that on a brand or on an artist is where is he’s targeting. And I have the feeling that is with this particular audience where he can his true self. All I hope is that everything involving Pleasing goes extremely well because he’s in a very delicate position with both DWD (and the stunt) and MP at the moment, so I truly hope that the way he’s putting himself out there on smaller things like Pleasing can bring him some great results on a long run.

[limmastyles]

I know people are talking about the salaries and how they don’t think it’s true but I do think that Harry is getting paid more than Florence. With how desperate Olivia was to get hairy a part of this film they would have given him anything. With losing Dakota Johnson and Shia LaBeouf and basically her driving them to leave so she could get hairy in this film I know that she would’ve paid him any amount to get him to agree to do this film. Yes having hairy be a part of the film will drive his Fanbase to maybe see it but that doesn’t mean that he should be getting paid more than Florence. She is the lead actress of the film. Harry isn’t even the lead actor. We all know he dies in this film and Florence is in the entire film. The entire film is based off of her character. Not to mention she is an Oscar nominated actress and one of the most popular and sought out actresses of her generation and you’re telling me harry styles who only gets rolls in films that he’s offered because he’s harry styles is getting paid more than her? I can see this now he’s not getting any of these roles because he’s talented he’s getting them because he’s a good singer and he’s famous. Dunkirk he was the one who sought out this role to change his image after one direction broke up. Olivia moved mountains to get hairy to be a part of don’t worry darling, he was the one who sought out the Director for my policeman, he was offered the role as Eros in Eternals, He was offered the role and Little mermaid and also was offered the role and nosferatu. He audition for Elvis and lost the part, he audition for Dune and lost it, He also auditioned for Star Wars and lost that part as well. Harry isn’t a good actor and you can see that in the fact that he auditions for a lot of projects but doesn’t get them. In Hollywood he basically has a nonexistent résumé so how is it that he is getting paid more than an Oscar nominated actress with the lead in the film? I know a lot of people don’t want to believe that he’s getting paid more than her but I truly believe that he is once the movie comes out we are going to get confirmation of the salaries. It doesn’t even matter if he’s making even $100,000 more than she is. He should not be making more than her at all. He should be getting paid less than her.When the salaries are confirmed and he isn’t making less than $700,000 then we know how fucked up this all is. He doesn’t deserve more than Florence, he’s not talented enough to earn the same amount as her nor does he deserve it. Also I doubt that he signed $100 million contract with marvel because that’s not how they do their movies. You have to figure out how much time you were going to be in the movie. If he’s not even a huge part of any of his marvel projects there’s no way he’s going to be making more than a lot of the actresses are actors in that. Also The marvel franchise is filled with a lot of legends but also Academy award winning actors so there is no way that harry styles is going to be making more than Angelina Jolie or Salma Hayek. And if he was then that’s not a good thing for him. He pride himself and being a feminist but how was it you’re taking more money than your female costars even though you’re not talented enough to deserve it