#wyatt (the oldest view)

[bellamer]

The saddest thing about The Oldest View is that Wyatt’s professor probably won’t ever get her trail cameras back

[priest-of-the-fortunate]

i think that me, wyatt from the oldest view, and joey in the mario party ds piracy series would make a good trio. we all have short, dark hair, and we’re all a little stupid. friend group made in hell!!

(joey and i will make fun of wyatt every time he watches something related to patrick bateman)

[protography0]

"The Exit Is A Lie (Maybe)" (TOV)

Pictogram/Exit Sign for "The Oldest View" by Kane Pixels. Made in GIMP. I reused parts of the previous pictogram.

What can I say - when I had made the previous piece, I spent some time thinking about it and remembered one of the final scenes in TOV3 The Rolling Giant. I just wanted to finish and prepare the post for the previous piece, but the thought was insistent and well, I had already done most of the legwork anyways. So I made this version of the pictogram/exit sign as well.

Bit less like a traditional exit sign and more of an art piece or even movie poster mock up than the last one. I like it just as much as the first one. It is simple, the green-and-white kinda fit with the grey-and-white of some scenes in the series, and it is a very simple depiction of a scene in TOV3.

(And yes, the title is a Portal reference. I dunno why, but the idea came to me immediately when I was thinking of a title and it just fit for some reason.)

(tbh I already have an idea of making a crossed-out staircase sign with Wyatt next to it; this style of art is just so much fun to tinker around with)

[howl-arnon]

IHATEHIMSOMUCH

[spookai69-420]

I can’t hide it. Tma!Wyatt might be Gerard kaey since I find the idea of the stupid gen alpha slang TikTok user being SUPER goth when not surrounded by those he knows

Julien wandering the halls of his mall only to see this 16 year old goth boy (that WILL be his friend)

(They are of either of the stranger/spiral and buried and deeply marked by the vast. Sorry guys)

Also Madison as distortion. May change Kim to be Daisy or Melanie. I dislije Melanie 👎 but I also like unfathomable rage so

I have to think about this. Which Girlboss to be applied to,,,

Also thinking about how much of a swap Tma au this could be, async cast aside. Obviously caring and mildly skeptical archavist and his sarcastic super stubborn boyfriend. Archavist still doesn’t know social cues though so😒

Also thinking about how I could call Marvin Marchavist. I cannot hide this any longer. Marchavist can and will exist

[greenleaf4stuff]

Incorrect The Oldest View #1

TRG: We have fun, don’t we, Wyatt?

Wyatt: I have never been more stressed out in my entire life.

(Source: @incorrect-quote-templates)

[y0urinternetangel]

OK SO WHEN I WATCHED THE OLDEST VIEW FOR THE FIRST TIME I THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T SEE WHAT WYATT LOOKED LIKE SO DURING THE WHOLE THING I DREW ONE AND LITERALLY FELL IN LOVE WITH IT BC IT WAS KINDA HOT AND SO WHEN I GOT TO THE END AND SAW HIM DIE I STARTED CRYING AND THEN WE SAW WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE AND I ALMOST OFFED MYSELF BC I SPENT THE WHOLE TIME DRAWING IT AND IT EAS JUST KANE PIXELS AND LOOKED NOTHING LIKE MY DESIGN AND I STRAIGHT UP SOBBED

[voidpunkanathema]

Reddit wasn't ready for my incredibly correct opinions about The Rolling Giant

[scarfacemarston]

Tuberculosis and the Wild West

Spoilers for RDR2 , but it’s been since 2018, y’all.  Trigger warnings for serious talk of severe terminal illness and severe stigma. As of 12/20 or 20/12, I have fixed some of the wording and added a few new things so please seriously head the warnings. Ok, first, some background: I've been studying TB since 2018; my father had a form of TB twice. I'm a historian, and one of my specialties is the history of medicine. Of course, you don't need to be a historian to write something like this. Also,  please "like" and reblog, this sort of content takes time. Tons of pics of buildings, and info below of the “lore” and IRL people.

Background info about TB that y’all need to know: TB is still horrifically deadly and still a leading cause of death. To give you all an idea about how recent genuine scientifically proven treatments were-  antibiotics targeting TB were not  discovered until the late 40s. However, sanatoriums (TB hospitals) and similar TB-related places didn't all close until 1970. My sister was born in 1977.  To give you all an idea of how treeified people were of this disease, think of the stigma with the AIDS/HIV crisis in the 1980s or the early fears surrounding Covid.

TB is one of the three oldest diseases dating back to Ancient Egypt with early evidence appearing through ancient mummies. Starting around the 18th century, western people believed TB was a disease of the elite granting someone ethereal beauty, writing prowess, and artistic talents. It was known as a "romantic disease" and a "beautiful death" - both of which we know aren’t true.  Some western beauty standards are influenced by TB including rouged lips, blush, pale skin and a thin figure accentuated with corsets. However, the appearance was due to the patient wasting away. Patients actually had bloodied lips, feverish cheeks, a pale complexion from the illness and losing a large amount of body weight. That's why TB was initially called consumption.(There have been many other names for TB including the White Plague and Captain of All These Men of Death and phthisis which is Greek in origin.) However, people eventually woke up and realized, "Oh wait, this isn't so sexy” The disease spread like wildfire, especially in the cities affecting whole families as was seen with Doc Holliday. Soon, society blamed anyone who wasn’t a white upperclass person AND those who were "immoral . They believed it was someone’s own fault if they had the disease. People held a very e*gen*c view of the disease believing their activities or who their families were caused this.  Immoral in this instance includes thieves, sex workers, bar workers, drunkards, violent people, women who had children out of wedlock, said child born out of wedlock, and homeless people. Obviously, this isn't true. It was overcrowded spaces, poor hygienic practices, but also animals, especially cows and deer. Ironically, the deer/stag plays a huge role in RDR 2. A few aspects from RDR 2 were inspired by Doc Holiday, one of the greatest gunslingers and outlaws in American history. His talents with the gun were considered by some as otherworldly. He and Wyatt Earp are most famous for the shoot-out at the OK Corral. Doc was dying of TB and headed west in order to potentially receive some medical attention, but found out that being an outlaw was great fun. Watch Tombstone for a fictionalized version of him. He had a very colorful life, but died of TB in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, at the age of 36. The same age as you know who.

This leads us to RDR 2 itself. The short answer about  survival is potentially yes, but with some major stipulations. I have traveled across the country studying TB and visiting TB sites and have seen these locations firsthand. Read further to read how survival was possible and for pictures of key locations.

IF Arthur had rested, maintained a proper fat rich diet, rested in especially clean air and partook in light exercise, he MIGHT have had a chance. I would estimate a 60-70 percent chance based on my readings of TB survivors. The chance of survival  could be more if he he headed West immediately after diagnosis. The wealthy traveled to newly built luxury resorts, but most people lived in tent colonies, so Arthur would be very familiar with the site. Hell, if the gang moved West, and followed the conditions I mentioned above, he MIGHT have been able to recover without heading to a TB colony. The the gang wasn't stable, and they were being hunted down, etc. However, people were pissed about the TB patients heading west to settle on "their land" (which is, of course, Native American land that was stolen). This pushed people to the outskirts of town and eventually, the establishment of sanatoriums which were tuberculosis treatment centers.��

Both the picture above and below would be an example of the tents used by TB patients to camp out. The top picture was probably taken around the 1890s which is Arthur’s lifetime while the picture blow is probably from a later era like the 20′s based on the clothing. City people in big cities sometimes camped out on the roofs of their flats and apartments hence the setting of the second picture. 

Due to the extreme fear, people were literally dropped off by families/friends or even government officials far outside of town. You did not want society to know that you had loved one with TB or else the stigma would affect you as well.  Later, TB patients were forcibly institutionalized. Many of these patients were ashamed of their affliction, but also felt further shame that their loved ones could be ostracized by society. I cannot stress enough how horrific this disease was and how tb psychologically affected the sufferer and its loved ones. Many tb sufferers never saw their loved ones again due to their families shunning them. I interviewed the elderly who remembered family members suffering from the disease and it still haunts their lives today. We see some of the shunning and stigma in the game, not just from the townspeople but from the gang. It's actually one of the reasons why I truly dislike a few unexpected gang members, for example.

At least Abigail, Charles, Tilly, John, and Sadie still treated him as a  human. Hell, Even Molly was kinder to him and she was really suffering in chapter 6.

I will tell you right now, realistically speaking, in no way could Arthur have done anything at all in chapter six. I’m not only talking missions, but any sort of work.  I won't go into graphic details, but one of the less graphic ones is that his hands would struggle to grasp objects, especially a gun. His joints would be too swollen. I know because I've seen it firsthand with my father and read plenty of accounts about it. Other than that, the game does a pretty great job of representing TB - however, Arthur could have been arrested or fined for spitting blood on the street which he did quite often in the game. Link goes to an academic article, but here is a more accessible link.

By 1899, people had been heading west for TB treatment for decades. People of all races headed west to Colorado, California, New Mexico, and Arizona being the prime locations. Dry air and or mountainous air were your best bets. Colorado was quite literally known as THE place for TB tourism as it was called. It was one of the first major waves of health tourism in the history of the USA. 

Another famous person and case study is Dr. Edward Livingston Trudeau. He himself suffered from tuberculosis who sent up tuberculosis huts in Saranac Lake, NY. For further study, other key locations include Asheville, North Carolina and in the mountainous regions of Pennsylvania. They huts looked like this:

These were also in Colorado Springs, Colorado Springs was full of them and they are still occasionally found in people’s yards today. 

I visited one in the Pioneer museum in Colorado Springs. I can post my pictures later, but this is one found in an outdoor museum.

The TB patients had a very strict regimen of never leaving the bed and used bed pans. Healthier patients had access to their own private toilet. Stronger patients could work on doctor approved exercises, while even healthier TB patients who weren't ready to leave facilities yet could spend the rest of their time working around the camp or sanatorium.  Below is how Arthur would have looked getting treatment if he wasn’t in a hut or tent:

Above: Women receiving treatment. Below: An 1899 TB facility. Most tuberculosis sanitoriums were built from 1905 onwards so John’s era was FULL of them. The peak of the sanitarium era though was 1920-1940ish.

The problem is TB patients had a very chance of suffering from pneumonia once TB went into remission. It's happened in tons of my case studies. If Arthur could have survived both TB AND pneumonia, then he would have been considered "Ok". Not good, but “Ok”. However, I can't predict how long he would have lived afterwards. Some TB patients had tuberculosis come in a second wave. This is, unfortunately, very common. Some people lived a few months, a few years and some lived decades after surviving the second wave.

 Fortunately, survival after two waves include people who lived hard, like Arthur. Trudeau lived till 68, and that is after 2 bouts of TB and pneumonia, with the third wave of TB being his cause of death.

This is very likely a reason why Arthur would have been in New Austin if they had kept him in the epilogue and continued the TB storyline. I personally do NOT think John was ever going to kill him. MISC NOTES: Related to RDR:  Important side note: Sex workers were especially blamed for spreading TB which makes sense because of the contact with multiple people, but it's not that different than someone who works at a factory every day, runs a shop or works at the docks, or in similar situations. Anyone could spread it. This is why it is actually technically very offensive to ask someone like Abigail if she had TB because it would be a way to imply she is unclean as a person. (Which people in the game already believe with some of the fandom similarly treating her poorly.) The history of sex work is my other specialty, so I am very familiar with their history. I will say, from what I gathered, sex workers did NOT seem to be that much more affected than others, but at the same time, we don't have a lot of records of people who weren't white upper-class Christian men. So we have these records if these people were arrested, but remember that all of the examples of people I mentioned were viewed as second-class citizens. Therefore, we have hardly any records of sex workers as actual people and historians have to be creative to find other ways to research them properly.  Modern day: TB is also becoming antibiotic-resistant at a frightening pace. This will become a massive problem. Treatment  requires at least two antibiotics - streptomycin being the main choice for the primary antibiotic. This treatment lasts months, and these antibiotics are insanely strong. They can really mess with the body's system. I've seen it. My father was one of the lucky ones only having to take the pills for 8 months. Many others take it from a year to even 18 months. Other people take the pills and undergo radiation therapy to treat TB. Modern science can't produce enough new antibiotics to outpace it, but alternative treatments do appear to be promising.  If you want me to write more about TB or for any other history questions, feel free to send me an anon/message.  Additional pics: Below: Sanitarium built around 1905.

Below: An example of a finished Sanatorium in 1911ish:

[carmeledge]

OLDEST VIEW?!? OLDEST VIEW ART?!?! WYATT?!?!

[mapalssyrup]

"I hope you die in the backrooms from TikTok" - @plxtypusbearr73 to Wyatt (The Oldest View)

[dougielombax]

Wyatt?

Wyatt is a character from The Oldest View.

He’s who I was referring to in my previous post.

[protography0]

"Proceed To Exit (TOV edition)"

Pictogram/exit sign fanart for "The Oldest View" by Kane Pixels. Made in GIMP.

I was planning a piece of fanart that incorporated an exit sign and then looked those up and realised that - from what I found - there doesn't seem to be some kind of norm for exit signs. Like the figures etc all seem to have different proportions.

Then came the idea to make my own pictogram for the piece I had planned, and then things kinda escalatated from there lol. I imagined what different exit signs for different pieces of media may look like - realised that there *is* media where exit signs even make sense - and well. Was overcome by creative frenzy and made this in less than an hour, returned to it later in the day and further refined it for another 30-40 mins. So, less than 2 hours in total.

I love this. This opens up a couple further possibilities in making art and collages especially (I could use this as part of a grunge poster for example), but also to make fanart of other pieces of media with its own pictograms.

Also, like with pixelart, it is a cool exercise to break things down to their basic shapes and characteristics while keeping it all recognizable, and working in a liminited format is always a fun challenge.

(Please do not look too closely at the perspective of those stairs btw. Instead of going and seriously considering perspective and all that, I just went 'ah, it's a concept, I'll just wing it' XD)

In case anyone is interested in the original version/concept:

[1super-nova5]

I have like, so many different silly crossover ideas that is just like a few characters that are all very similar to each other and they're all just interacting, "slice of life" style. Like I literally have names for the small little groups. Like just jfhdnsnsnsjwnma.

Trapped mall duo. (Ranboo and Wyatt[the oldest view])

Looped trio. (James Talloran, Stanley and Henry stein)

The one-eyed quartet. (GLaDOS, Narrator, Airy and Bill)

And I haven't came up with a name but just six fudging Narrators. (All different games)

I have so many little ideas and I want to do them all. Shqujwhswujssjqkbshwndbdmsbcissj

[russellwynn]

i try to avoid analog horror for the most part because i. don’t think most of it is good(<- mandela catalogue guilty pleasure) but the oldest view by kane pixels has been like. surprisingly better than mediocre? i thought the rolling giant was pretty effing intimidating. a couple spoilers under the cut in case anyone wants to watch it

i like that it tricked wyatt. when he first realizes the giant is moving, it only does so when wyatt is not looking at him. it also convinces him it can’t go on the escalator — both things that we learn later in the video were deceptions so the giant could get the drop on him. the “what do you want?” (shows dead bodies) was a little cheap, honestly, i think it could have been better if that came a little bit earlier than wyatt’s escape to the exit in the rafters. but cool stuff.

[greenleaf4stuff]

Incorrect The Oldest View #4

Wyatt: We all have our demons.

Wyatt, pointing at The Rolling Giant: This one’s mine.

(Source: @incorrect-quote-templates)