#wolfwren is endgame

[endoplight]

The Wolf and her Moon. Reposting this from my Twitter and Instagram, @EndoPlight.

[claumonkey]

both are their respective endgame although they don't know yet

[ericmicael]

Does ElsaMaren have a real chance of being canon considering how Disney treated ValCarol and is treating WolfWren?

VALCAROL

In the first Captain Marvel film, the fandom created a strong shipp between Carol and Maria Rambeau. A certain headcanon that has emerged is that Carol is the stepmother of Monica, Maria's daughter, and in fact the three seemed to live as a family with Monica having two mothers.

The first time Valkyrie and Carol met on screen was in "Endgame", and even with just quick glances the fans shipped, we are like that for sapphic shipps. But the most interesting thing was that Brie Larson (Carol) and Tessa Thompson (Valkyrie) really embraced the shipp, although Brie didn't abandon her shipp with War Machine (Carol's canon romantic couple in the comics), but it was always interactions about the ValCarol shipp on Brie's part were much louder.

I consider that Valkyrie was a replacement for Maria, Maria was the main shipp, but as she died Valkyrie seemed to be a good candidate for a replacement since the headcanon of Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel being a lesbian was always very big and Valkyrie is canonically bisexual. And if you want to compare it to Frozen: the Queen of Summer Marisol with whom Elsa seemed to really have a connection would be Maria, but as she couldn't go to a film Honeymaren was the replacement even with much fewer scenes as Valkyrie.

And what was ValCarol's conclusion? "Captain Marvel 2/The Marvels". Valkyrie was indeed included in the film, gave Carol a kiss on the cheek with a certain flirtatious air and left. But it seems that it wasn't just that, and that Disney actually asked to cut a conversation between them that would reveal that Carol and Valkyrie actually had a romantic relationship in the past, but that it ended and they decided to just be friends.

WOLFWREN

Shin Hati, the original villain of the "Ahsoka" series and Sabine Wren, one of the heroines and a character with almost 10 years of existence. In the series they are rivals and face each other a few times, with Shin almost killing Sabine herself in the first fight by piercing her belly with the Light Saber. But although this beginning Shin never really seemed to hate Sabine, she fought much more on impulse than anyone else. Shin even questions orders regarding Sabine's elimination when a promise was broken. At the end of the first season, after once again failing to kill Sabine, Shin realizes that she has lost everything, was abandoned by her master and is isolated... in the same place that Sabine is. I summarized a lot.

A standard “enemies to lovers” shipp, but a sapphic “enemies to lovers” shipp, which is already better than the traditional ones. And it gained a lot of prominence in the fandom and especially among the actresses who play Shin (Ivanna Sakhno) and Sabine (Natasha Liu Bordizzo), and also among the other actors in the series. But in addition to the cast, the “Star Wars” pages began to promote the shipp by making official editions with the actors, reinforcing this magnetic connection between Shin and Sabine.

What will be the future of WolfWren? We need to wait for the second season of "Ahsoka", it may just be queerbait after all, although "Andor", another "Star Wars" series, has an official lesbian couple: Vel and Cnta, but who so far have not kissed and you have to pay close attention to the dialogues and interactions to realize that they are a couple.

ELSAMAREN

What could all this mean for ElsaMaren? That Disney is at least willing to give crumbs to fans of the sapphic shipps, especially when the actresses are very supportive. Rachel Matthews (Honeymaren) is an avowed ElsaMaren shipper and likes to tease the shipp's fans sometimes, Idina Menzel is more neutral on the subject, but Idina is very supportive of LGBT causes and is proud of how Elsa, Elphaba and Maureen were embraced by the LGBT community, even officially just Maureen being part of it. If ElsaMaren is confirmed you can be sure that Idina will speak with great excitement about the couple.

But Disney? Even when she tried to hug ValCarol she was cowardly at the last moment and if we think about Bob Iger's last statements things become even less hopeful. And even if my theory that in fact Honeymaren was created to be Elsa's love interest but this arc was reduced to just concept art and two scenes is real, that unfortunately doesn't mean it can be returned. But I still bet on interpretative crumbs.

[jessequinnfirstofhername]

Here's my SW hot take. Even though Din Djarin canonically has no love interests/has no love life, anytime a conventionally beautiful human female character happens to share a scene with him I see people proclaim that the female character is his love interest or that he's in love with them as canon. People can ship characters however they want but insisting that they're in love for real because they claim it was the writers intent or the actors said so can get very annoying and spreads the wrong idea within the fandom.

If mando was really in love in canon then he would have found a way to be with these women but he chose to be a single dad with his apprentice son and I'm very happy that's the canon conclusion to s3. So I turn away from takes that insist that mando needs a wife or that baby yoda needs a mother so their family is complete because they're missing the whole point of the narrative 😣

There's a difference between shipping, and vehemently proclaiming that your OTP is canon, it's endgame, and people who don't see it are delusional. The former behavior is fun, the latter behavior can be very rude.

(Side note: saying that people are delusional if they ship a NOTP of yours is also extremely rude. Not directed at you, Anon, just a general point)

I'm ambivalent as to whether Din gets a partner or not in canon (in fanon, he lives a happy retirement with Luke, Grogu, Ahsoka, Sabine, and Shin on Ossus, and he guides Ben away from the dark side, officiates a Wolfwren wedding, and everyone lives happily ever after)

However, I do really agree with your point about the attitude that Din and Grogu need a mother to 'complete' their little family. It's a pretty regressive assumption.

[shipping1addict]

IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ENJOY YOUR SHIP. Even if the chances are close to zero. And everyone should let others be happy.

I always saw Sabezra as more of a platonic, sibling like relationship, but I can see why there is a fanbase out there who ships them. And if they're going to be canon I will be glad that years of shipping have finally brought fulfillment to others.

As for wolfwren. Like OP pointed out, we don't really have a wlw relationship in star wars (except in Andor), let alone a main sapphic love story.

We don't even have that many female characters with female interactions/ friendships in Star Wars. Period. That and the current drought in wlw media in general leads to instant shipping if said situation is provided.

So that's the attempt of an explanation.

Do I think wolfwren will be canon? No. And I agree with OP that I'm not even sure I want them too be. I just enjoy their angsty interactions and tension.

In the end, we know what ship will most likely be endgame out of the two of them and gloating everytime one of the ships "gets a point" isn't just mean but also very childish.

Let's create our own stories, make art and enjoy each others company. Because that's what fandom is for.

this whole argument is pointless 'cause most wolfwrens i see are aware that shin and sabine won't REALLY get together by the end of this season (and, dare i say, ever). and speaking solely for myself, I don't even WANT them to. I'd be happy if they pulled a kalluzeb (enemies to reluctant allies to friends), but I'm not getting my hopes up for that either. I know this franchise, I've been a fan of it since I was a little kid, and now I'm an adult who knows Lucasfilm won't give us sapphics anything better than valcinta on andor (and don't get me wrong, I loved them, but they aren't the protagonists of that story, while sabine is one of the main characters of this one). still, we'll keep consuming and producing content where shin and sabine are a physically/romantically involved.

oh, and for the sabezras out there who want to be assholes, I can be wrong, but I'm almost sure your "precious, healthy and pure" ship won't happen either. and it won't be because a bunch of sapphics online decided to ship sabine with shin hati.

[stellanslashgeode]

Wolfwren endgame.

just going to point out we have two confirmed(!) scenes so far where shin and sabine cross sabers. one longhair!sabine and one mulanchop!sabine. we obviously don’t know the haircut timeline™️ but the trailer seems to indicate a not unsubstantial period of time between styles…therefore i propose long-term enemies to lovers where the tension ratchets up with each encounter as their skills improve over time. plenty of homoerotic obsession (violence) (hatred) (rivalry) to indulge in between bouts. dreaming about your narrative foil. dreaming about killing your narrative foil. dreaming about girlkissing your narrative foil on the mouth here’s how wolfwren can still win