#wings of fire theories

[indigoisaspookyghost2]

Yo wof fans I need opinions: can rainwing venom hurt the dragon who spits the venom

[ilikemicrowaves]

For arc 4, I think Tui should expand on the idea of the mysterious Beryl dragon Scarlet hated so much. Maybe it could be a villain or maybe they hold the answers to what the protags seeks.

Or maybe Beryl was Scarlets "I can fix her" ex, who tried to make her see the world differently and become a little bit better for her subjects. But failed and Scarlet chased her off.

Also, little theory about what tribe Beryl is, it's dumb and anybody can search it. And I'm gonna start talking like I'm writing an essay, so be warned.

By researching what Beryl, I'm gonna rule out tribes that can be named it, and if Scarlet would befriend a dragon from that tribe

The tribes that I will rule out completely are the Pantalan tribes, as nobody knew of them during Scarlets reign.

(Straight from google)

"Beryl is a transparent pale green, blue, or yellow mineral consisting of a silicate of beryllium and aluminum, and sometimes used as a gemstone."

The name is practically the only information on Beryl we have. Beryl, being a mineral, rules out Sandwing, Rainwing, and nightwings, as according to the wof wiki (the only place I know to look), all three tribes have not had a character named after minerals yet. So this leaves Skywings, Seawings, Mudwings, and Icewings.

We know that Skywings can be named minerals and gemstones, seawings can be named gemstones, mudwings can be named diamonds and minerals, and icewings can be named after white or blue gemstones.

However, these last 4 options can not be broken down farther by the characteristic of Beryl, as they all apply to it. But, Beryl, the dragon themself, we know that Vermillion never heard of this dragon, Scarlet hated them, and they are possibly still alive. Making the speculation that Scarlet knew Beryl during the war, we know that Scarlet would never befriend a Seawing or Icewing, as they are not allied with her. This leaves Skywing and Mudwing.

Knowing Scarlet, she most likely was uninterested by mudwings, as most of them are described as boring and not entertaining. So it is most likely that Beryl was/is a skywing. What a shock.

I probably didn't need to write this because everyone already assumes Beryl is a skywing lol. But I'm stuck at home for a few days because of medical problems 👍

[nightwingsaregoths]

The Totally Legit Wings of Fire Theory Rubric, basically cribbed from @visenyaism's Totally Legit ASOIAF Theory Rubric. Big thanks for the original creator for letting me modify it! Go wild with it, please.

[scrollwyrm]

Some Headcanons about Pantala because AAAASNMSKAKAMA

The mountain range of Pantala is said to be cursed because of the mysterious ruins there, which Wasp destroyed all evidence of. This is because they held the BeetleWing palace. It is generally avoided because of this and because of the extremely harsh conditions.

SilkWings can be (almost) cleanly separated into the more moth-like SilkWings (thicker build, floofier, slightly duller scales, larger wings, but smaller overall) and more butterfly-like SilkWings (slimmer, longer antennae, less flexible wings, curled claws, MUCH flashier colours).

HiveWings aren’t all descended from ClearSight: when ClearSight saved everyone, BeetleWings started trying to have dragonets with more black scales as a tribute to her. The only HiveWings really descended from ClearSight are the royal family: the idea that all HiveWings are her family is (VERY) old propaganda to make HiveWings seem superior.

LeafWings have a weaker version of RainWing photosynthesis.

[that110alto]

I have a personal headcanon that while underwater, SeaWings use mainly ASL to communicate ideas and thoughts and that the bioluminescent flashes are there to give tone, tense, etc.

(I'm new to learning ASL, please forgive any mistakes I made here in the signs)

[minkydinks]

Why HiveWings in canon do NOT have to be the result of tons of generations of detrimental incest (a hot take maybe)

@sarcasticrat @incorporeal-entity @daishitheprofessionalfool

It's a funny meme in the WoF community that HiveWings are incestuous abominations having all descended from a single dragon (Clearsight). But honestly I think a lot of the weirdness revolving around that idea is missing a fundamental piece of the way WoF genetics work.

It's relatively well known that when two dragon tribes hybridize, their offspring will primarily take after their mothers. Every. Single. Time. At most, there may be somewhat-even mixes of both parents, but the mother's tribe is still largely apparent. We see this with Whiteout, Darkstalker, Typhoon, and Sunny. Whiteout and Darkstalker appear primarily NightWing, like their mother Foeslayer (although Whiteout has a little more IceWing than Darkstalker). Sunny is mostly SandWing in appearance like her mother Thorn; enough that most regard Sunny as a regular SandWing that may just have a rare genetic anomaly. Typhoon confirms his mother as a SeaWing in his dialogue, when he mentions that his father is ill by the animus IceWing plague that Darkstalker caused.

What does this mean for HiveWings?

While it does still sound exhausting to have so many relatives, it's very plausible for her to have caused a branching new tribe with her genetics, WITHOUT inbreeding being involved in that process.

Because Clearsight is female, the VAST majority of her dragonets with BeetleWings would appear.... mostly NightWing! Mostly black scales!

Somewhat like this, if you assume this is relatively canon:

And, any of her daughters who decided to have dragonets themselves, would have ALSO had dragonets with primarily black scales, no matter WHO they married to. The black scales would have easily passed along hundreds (if not thousands) of dragons, without a single instance of genetically problematic inbreeding, so long as the direct descendants of Clearsight were female and had black scales. Regardless, no matter how many children Clearsight had, her daughters, granddaughters, great granddaughters and so on, would pass down her black scales to future generations; all of their Night/Beetle offspring would have taken after the mothers that appeared more NightWing-like, until eventually the form of HiveWings became most familiar because of the consistent mixing of the NightWing & BeetleWing physical traits.

Clearsight may well have only needed to EVER have 6 of her own dragonets total, for there to be a tribe split based on her genetics; depending on whether or not all of her dragonets chose to have families of their own (which we assume they all did). But, it is canon that Clearsight remarried several times, so we can assume she had more than 6; albeit probably not as many as your mind wanders into thinking. No slutshaming!!!! /j

Assuming she had 4 daughters and 2 sons, and each of her children had 3 dragonets of their own (predominantly female from her daughters and predominantly male from her sons), that would be 12 NightWing-dominant hybrids and 6 BeetleWing-dominant hybrids to kickstart the tribe splitting. It's perfectly plausible with the way canon genetics work.

What about SilkWings?

BeetleWings were a spread-out tribe, not existing purely in one location for their kingdom. So, while it's fun to theorize about SilkWings also being descendants of Clearsight, it's improbable at best (and disprovable at worst) that they're related in any way. It's theorized (and probably accurate) that BeetleWings had already been in the process of diverging into SilkWings, and Clearsight's arrival sped up that process significantly by reducing the population of non-diverging BeetleWings.

Incest had to happen at some point, didn't it?

I'm going to tentatively say, yes. But not in the way you're thinking.

At some point, after the BeetleWings had been bred out of existence and replaced by HiveWings and SilkWings, there HAS to be interbreeding of HiveWings at some point. And if ALL HiveWings are descended from Clearsight, that would mean that modern HiveWings are technically inbreeding by continuing to have eggs with other HiveWings, instead of more BeetleWings.

However, this is not as problematic as you'd think. (Stay with me here, this isn't proship territory. I promise.)

If we're looking at animals as a prospect, you'll notice that millions of extant species in REAL life are actually the result of similar conditions. Direct descendants of ancestors that they inherited their primary abilities and traits from, that have ultimately somewhat inbred.

You may be shocked (and even grossed out) to hear that we're actually all somewhat related, especially to those in our own countries. However, the reason incest between close relatives is considered immoral to people (and is illegal in many places, thankfully) is because of genetic anomaly. There is always risk to pass down genetic anomalies, I happen to have one myself! (A congenital defect of the heart that gives me two aortic valve flaps instead of three. This is a standard defect though and I promise I'm not an incest baby.) But the issue with inbreeding is just that it drastically increases the chances of such anomalies happening, the more closely related to an individual you are.

To put it more science-y, inbreeding only increases the chances of consequential or fatal anomalies if the offspring of two individuals contain alleles at the gene site that are identical from descent. In other words, there's a single ancestor shared from both the maternal and paternal sides. This becomes negligible when it's no longer probable to pass identical alleles from both sides; i.e, hitting about 6th degree (roughly second cousins once removed).

In other words, should someone interbreed with their second cousin-once removed, the chances of there being genetic anomalies or consequences are so low, that it's about as likely as if you had a child with any other person in the general population of your area. Your average shared DNA with that 2nd cousin-twice removed would be ~1.5%, which is actually lower than the default chance of any other average birth defect happening to the child of an unrelated couple (~3-4%). Genetic counsellors themselves state that they completely stop worrying about the potential for inbreeding-related fetal anomalies (AND moral code) once the relativity is 4th degree or further, because there is simply such a low chance of any defects, and it would be substantially different from marrying & reproducing with your siblings, parents, grandparents, and other direct relatives. Simply put, incestuous pairings are not black & white when it comes to more distant relation. Although direct relative pairings are inherently risky and therefore morally & ethically reprehensible by any means.

Dragons in Wings of Fire live to a maximum of about 130 years, and 2000 years had passed since Clearsight's arrival to Pantala. That's about 13 generations of dragons, give or take a few. We know based on the story told by Lady Scarab that a close relative of hers that she knew personally actually named the HiveWing tribe - implying that BeetleWings' extinction was actually relatively recent; within the last 200-400 years. Meaning that the genetic diversity of modern HiveWings is high enough that it would be incredibly unlikely for any random pair of HiveWings to pass down identical alleles to their child and cause significant issues.

So while, definition-wise, it is TECHNICALLY inbreeding, it is not a morally questionable issue because there are very few physically consequential results from their pairings; there have simply been FAR too many unrelated BeetleWings in their family trees for so long, that the VAST majority of HiveWings are as closely related to one another as the average city population in the United States.

Additionally, reptiles are not affected by incest the same way mammals are. The majority of unique pet trade reptile color morphs is a result of inbreeding for those colors; it's quite rare for them to have consequential anomalies as a result of such inbreeding as long as they aren't direct relatives only exclusively inbreeding with each other. Also these are magical fantasy dragons, so like. Shrug. I can't imagine incredibly distant relative consanguinity would affect them as badly as anything that's ever happened to British royalty.

(Also you didn't hear this from me, but MudWings are probably significantly more worrisome because of their monthly random breeding nights and no real semblance of family trees. I'd worry about them before worrying about tons of generations of hybrids with the genetic diversity of New York.)

[gumm1defloor]

Vox can understand Velvette just fine. They don't necessarily need to get along all the time, but they have a mutually beneficial contract that guarantees her support in the most efficient way possible, just how they both like it, short and strict and to the point. Vox does not understand Valentino. It drives him unimaginably, disgustingly insane. He knows how to handle him, make no mistake. Valentino is a never-ending powerhouse that wrangles out content from his employees like there's no tomorrow. He's proven himself to be Vox's most lucrative investment yet. He is resourceful, well-connected and most importantly predictable enough to rein in. Because he listens to you, because he needs you.

He is also, undeniably, out of his goddamn mind. Yet you've already invested too much in the corporate empire you've built together and there is no point turning back now that you have him so close to your side. It's OK however! He couldn't possibly be stupid enough to throw away the best partnership deal he's ever had just for the sake of something petty cause -oh, wait - he genuinely might just be that stupid and you never would've guessed because he's so cocksure of his bullshit that 80% of the time it ends up working in his favor anyway.

Fuck his life indeed. The kicker for this of course is that Valentino, genuinely does believe he has struck gold with Vox. Valentino is a clingy, possessive, immature, perverted, sadistic, egotistical man-child with severe rage issues and zero impulse control. No he is not aware of this at all. No he does not know why nobody is able to tolerate him and why every single person he gets close to hates his guts with every inch of their burning rotting souls. All he knows is that hell has now given him a flat faced prince in shining liquid crystal armour, riding on a cash filled horse with promises of power and luxury, who's practically handing him success on a silver platter. Doesn't mean that Val trusts him, doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy seeing him lose his shit. But at the end of the day vox has his back, and as long as Val keeps calling for him, he'll eventually turn up and make everything better. Cause hey if Vox hasn't left him yet for this long he must be doing something right. Right?

[sidyashchiy-na-plakhe]

A strange theory about two Rubies.

I am a very persistent and stubborn person. I will not give up my theory that the dragoness in the Winter turning prologue is NOT Ruby. I will never believe this, they are too different in behavior. Therefore, the theory:

Scarlet once had two daughters: Ruby and Tourmaline. Ruby first challenged her but lost. However, she was not killed and Scarlet banished her to the very north, to the border with Ice Kingdom. That’s why we see her in the prologue of Winter turning, because what would quiet Ruby, a princess, do on the battlefield in the tundra? Then who is the new Ruby? As we already know, Scarlet turned Tourmaline into an almost exact copy of Ruby, only calmer. That’s why their behavior is so different, and even their appearance is a little different (the scales on the face are different).

[beefscrap]

Is the stupid little seawing a descendant of anemone

I’m crying omfg

But no he is not! In my AU, pretty much no events from the books exist at all!

[dutifullycolddeer]

WoF Headcannon :]]

This is totally unrelated to art, but I wanna talk about scavengers in Wings of Fire for a minute. Here are my thoughts:

Pre-scorching, humans may have had animus magic, and my guess is that that’s where dragons originated. They may have been scavenger creations. Possibly created with the sole purpose of advancing agriculture, or maybe as a sort of replacement for horses. Maybe they started off smaller as messengers, pets, or food. No matter, as at some point, they advanced. They grew larger and smarter. Some dragons developed animus magic as an uncommon side effect to being created by it. Eventually, dragons were out of the hands of humans and living as independent creatures. Because they most commonly lived a solitary life, they were easier targets for humans, and likely slightly less intelligent. Post-scorching, all humans with animus magic had disappeared, and only a few hidden societies survived. From observation of the humans physical appearance, my assumption is that they’re based off Neanderthals, though are not the same. Dragons advanced further into what we know today and human population grew large enough for them to come into the light, after likely living underground. However, a few cities still remain below the surface.

That’s the end of my ramble, it probably made no sense, but oh well.

[wof-headshots-daily]

Day 82- Albatross

[ilikemicrowaves]

What dragon is the wingless one in Burns Weirdling Tower?

Lately I've seen a few theories on the unidentified dragon in Burns weirdling Tower and I wanted to make my own.

Part one, Tribe connections

Note: the tribes I could connect it too where only sandwing and icewing. Though if there is a tribe you think it's connect too, please let me know in tags! I love hearing you guy's thoughts!

Icewing Connection: The dragon is a pale white with Glistening black eyes and sharp, spiky scales with ocean blue specks. In the Graphic novels, the dragon's lip is pulled back with an angry expression revealing its gums to be blue, just like icewing blood. It's spikes stick up and have a sharp touch. from a distance, any dragon would mistake this unidentified dragon as an icewing.

Sandwing connection: Sandwings and icewing have similar body structures and one coyld argue that it is an icewing feature, so I'll try my best to point it out as best I can. The nose is small and faces outwards like a sandwings. It also has a small nose horn, whereas this feature doesn't belong to icewings. Another remarkable feature is the spikes are both spiky for both dragon tribes, but are placed differently. The dragon in the towers spikes are displaced and tightly packed together. Sandwings scales and thick, and run directly down their backs, while an icewings are smoth and don't take up most of the body. This dragons scales are mushed together and unorganized, how a potential Sandwing icewing hybrid would looked in canon.

Part two, What We Know

In The Brightest Night, Smolder explains that a dragon came to them with it claiming it was a Sandwing, Icewing hybrid. We have no idea who this dragon was, or if they are dead or alive. The owners name was never stated or how they found the dragon, and was never mentioned again until the letter from Sunny in, A Guide to a Dragon World, mention their appearance. In this letter, Sunny thinks the wings look like wingbuds, but they can't be a silkwing since there's only two. She doesn't believe it's a hybrid since th hybrids she's met are perfectly healthy. But there is no Canon record of an Icewing, Sandwing hybrid. Sandwing, Icewing hybrids for all we know could have been very messed up hybrids.

Part three, Sandwing, Icewing Hybrid problems

The problem with these type of hybrids is that they can be very complicated. Even though there is no canon information we can base this off, we can still use common sense.

The scales on both these tribes, like I mention in part one, are very different but similar to each other. Mixing them together could make them very unorganized and cross each other making the scales go different many ways, just like the dragon we see in the books.

I feel like any hybrid with an icewing can have large effects from how Icewings are so different being in an isolated arctic wasteland. Especially since your mixing dragons from the hottest place on the continent with dragons from the coldest place. This could cause many genetic defects.

Conclusion

Most of this is from speculation as we don't have much information on this dragon or icewing, sandwing hybrids. But I can infere that with the evidence we have that it is an icewing sandwing hybrid.

[aphractal2]

my dumb ass forgot to take my iPad charger to college! ft. 100 adopts sneakpeek and potoo dragon

[readypanda]

Lowkey obsessed with unanswered wings of fire lore.

Who is the great ice dragon? What queen did Opal make the gift of vision for and is it a coincidence that she supposedly "was around the time of Queen Diamond" and Queen Diamond, according to the winglets, was trying to get Arctic to enchant a "gift of vision" albeit related to weather? If Sunny was born under all three moons (like she would have been if they weren't in a cave) would she have had darkstalker-level powers? How did Orca avoid the animus test? (that one might just be a plothole) What is with the wingless dragon in Burn's stronghold? WHO IS BERYL? What happened to Jerboa II? What is the gift of understanding? If animus magic truly originated with the icewings, how did it pop up in seawing and sandwing bloodlines? Was it truly a random mutation? If so, why was the icewing bloodline so consistent (literally an animus EVERY GENERATION until darkstalker I think)? If Darkstalker had kids would his bloodline have been just as strong???

[scrollwyrm]

A little headcanon about MudWings!

So MudWings in WoF are great. Gotta be one of my favourite tribes. However I (and many others) have noticed something: HOW DO THEY KNOW THEY AREN’T RELATED TO THE DRAGONS THEY GET WITH!? EUGH.

So here’s an idea: all MudWing families and lineages have their own designated hatching grounds. When two MudWings are planning on getting together, they first tell each other their hatching ground. I think hatching grounds would also maybe have specific tattoos that their dragonets traditionally get on the bottom of their paw or something when they reach maturity.

Just a little marking so as to avoid inbreeding. Thank you for your time :)

[truthsoarer]

My friend and I had a theory on WoF and I think it's rly interesting but it kinda doesn't make sense

So, in short:

there is a very small chance Moon would be able to read, write and speak properly without someone teaching her

the rainwings are also too far for her to hear their thoughts properly, although Moon would still hear some occasionally

theres no way Moon could learn from her mother as her visits were too short and too little for Moon to be able to learn anything

She doesn't have any scrolls lying around to know how to read and to recognise what letters are which and be able to write

IN SHORT, there's a very low possibility that Moon learnt all of these by herself.

SOMEONE MUST HAVE HELPED HER. or should I say, some ghost?

WHAT IF by all random thoughts together, Clearsight helped Moon?

This would make sense as Clearsight would still have her powers after dying, plus, she would probably go back to see where the night wings are now

Most likely, Clearsight would look around, find the volcano, and eventually would see Secretkeeper sneaking away through the portal and follow her. She would find Moon there, alone.

Also, Moon, according to Luna, she is kind of "spacey" at weird moments. She has a sort of distracted air to her, as though "invisible dragons whisper in her ears while everyone else is talking". (Taken from the wiki)

This could mean that the invisible dragons could be the ghost of Clearsight leading her on

Another thing: due to Clearsight's strong foresight, she would see Moon's involvement with Darkstalker in the future, and would, of course, be worried as she knows his true nature.

She (Clearsight) would want to guide Moon and teach her.

Due to Moon's mind reading, she might have been able to hear Clearsight's ghost- and Clearsight could use that to her advantage as she could imagine things and Moon might be able to read them, e.g., Clearsight could imagine the image of the letter a in her mind, and Moon could read it and learn slowly.

but that's just a theory. A BOOK THEORY!

This could also just be a alternate reality, who knows?

I might just make a comic heheh