#wof hybrids

[fourtytwo42]

Really random sketchbook page I like but I don’t think I was trying to make Darkstalker when I first started. evil

Evil king of evil magic shit

[paradoxalarchive]

The desert is this trio's least favourite place.

Why? You ask?

Cotton thinks the desert is super boring, just sand as far as the eye can see. She doesn't mind the heat, she is half sandwing, after all, but she still hates the desert all the same.

Thistle is half icewing, kind if self explanatory, he has a low heat tolerance, especially if it's dry. He can't even cool himself down because his "ice" breath doesn't work when it's too hot out.

Silver just hates sand. He can't stand the feeling of it between his toes, he hates walking on it, he hates how it gets everywhere, he just really hates sand.

[p005tick5]

Artfight stuff for Buggyforge and Catcaphony on Artfight. Oro belongs to Buggyforge and Abacaxi belongs to Catcaphony

[minkydinks]

Why HiveWings in canon do NOT have to be the result of tons of generations of detrimental incest (a hot take maybe)

@sarcasticrat @incorporeal-entity @daishitheprofessionalfool

It's a funny meme in the WoF community that HiveWings are incestuous abominations having all descended from a single dragon (Clearsight). But honestly I think a lot of the weirdness revolving around that idea is missing a fundamental piece of the way WoF genetics work.

It's relatively well known that when two dragon tribes hybridize, their offspring will primarily take after their mothers. Every. Single. Time. At most, there may be somewhat-even mixes of both parents, but the mother's tribe is still largely apparent. We see this with Whiteout, Darkstalker, Typhoon, and Sunny. Whiteout and Darkstalker appear primarily NightWing, like their mother Foeslayer (although Whiteout has a little more IceWing than Darkstalker). Sunny is mostly SandWing in appearance like her mother Thorn; enough that most regard Sunny as a regular SandWing that may just have a rare genetic anomaly. Typhoon confirms his mother as a SeaWing in his dialogue, when he mentions that his father is ill by the animus IceWing plague that Darkstalker caused.

What does this mean for HiveWings?

While it does still sound exhausting to have so many relatives, it's very plausible for her to have caused a branching new tribe with her genetics, WITHOUT inbreeding being involved in that process.

Because Clearsight is female, the VAST majority of her dragonets with BeetleWings would appear.... mostly NightWing! Mostly black scales!

Somewhat like this, if you assume this is relatively canon:

And, any of her daughters who decided to have dragonets themselves, would have ALSO had dragonets with primarily black scales, no matter WHO they married to. The black scales would have easily passed along hundreds (if not thousands) of dragons, without a single instance of genetically problematic inbreeding, so long as the direct descendants of Clearsight were female and had black scales. Regardless, no matter how many children Clearsight had, her daughters, granddaughters, great granddaughters and so on, would pass down her black scales to future generations; all of their Night/Beetle offspring would have taken after the mothers that appeared more NightWing-like, until eventually the form of HiveWings became most familiar because of the consistent mixing of the NightWing & BeetleWing physical traits.

Clearsight may well have only needed to EVER have 6 of her own dragonets total, for there to be a tribe split based on her genetics; depending on whether or not all of her dragonets chose to have families of their own (which we assume they all did). But, it is canon that Clearsight remarried several times, so we can assume she had more than 6; albeit probably not as many as your mind wanders into thinking. No slutshaming!!!! /j

Assuming she had 4 daughters and 2 sons, and each of her children had 3 dragonets of their own (predominantly female from her daughters and predominantly male from her sons), that would be 12 NightWing-dominant hybrids and 6 BeetleWing-dominant hybrids to kickstart the tribe splitting. It's perfectly plausible with the way canon genetics work.

What about SilkWings?

BeetleWings were a spread-out tribe, not existing purely in one location for their kingdom. So, while it's fun to theorize about SilkWings also being descendants of Clearsight, it's improbable at best (and disprovable at worst) that they're related in any way. It's theorized (and probably accurate) that BeetleWings had already been in the process of diverging into SilkWings, and Clearsight's arrival sped up that process significantly by reducing the population of non-diverging BeetleWings.

Incest had to happen at some point, didn't it?

I'm going to tentatively say, yes. But not in the way you're thinking.

At some point, after the BeetleWings had been bred out of existence and replaced by HiveWings and SilkWings, there HAS to be interbreeding of HiveWings at some point. And if ALL HiveWings are descended from Clearsight, that would mean that modern HiveWings are technically inbreeding by continuing to have eggs with other HiveWings, instead of more BeetleWings.

However, this is not as problematic as you'd think. (Stay with me here, this isn't proship territory. I promise.)

If we're looking at animals as a prospect, you'll notice that millions of extant species in REAL life are actually the result of similar conditions. Direct descendants of ancestors that they inherited their primary abilities and traits from, that have ultimately somewhat inbred.

You may be shocked (and even grossed out) to hear that we're actually all somewhat related, especially to those in our own countries. However, the reason incest between close relatives is considered immoral to people (and is illegal in many places, thankfully) is because of genetic anomaly. There is always risk to pass down genetic anomalies, I happen to have one myself! (A congenital defect of the heart that gives me two aortic valve flaps instead of three. This is a standard defect though and I promise I'm not an incest baby.) But the issue with inbreeding is just that it drastically increases the chances of such anomalies happening, the more closely related to an individual you are.

To put it more science-y, inbreeding only increases the chances of consequential or fatal anomalies if the offspring of two individuals contain alleles at the gene site that are identical from descent. In other words, there's a single ancestor shared from both the maternal and paternal sides. This becomes negligible when it's no longer probable to pass identical alleles from both sides; i.e, hitting about 6th degree (roughly second cousins once removed).

In other words, should someone interbreed with their second cousin-once removed, the chances of there being genetic anomalies or consequences are so low, that it's about as likely as if you had a child with any other person in the general population of your area. Your average shared DNA with that 2nd cousin-twice removed would be ~1.5%, which is actually lower than the default chance of any other average birth defect happening to the child of an unrelated couple (~3-4%). Genetic counsellors themselves state that they completely stop worrying about the potential for inbreeding-related fetal anomalies (AND moral code) once the relativity is 4th degree or further, because there is simply such a low chance of any defects, and it would be substantially different from marrying & reproducing with your siblings, parents, grandparents, and other direct relatives. Simply put, incestuous pairings are not black & white when it comes to more distant relation. Although direct relative pairings are inherently risky and therefore morally & ethically reprehensible by any means.

Dragons in Wings of Fire live to a maximum of about 130 years, and 2000 years had passed since Clearsight's arrival to Pantala. That's about 13 generations of dragons, give or take a few. We know based on the story told by Lady Scarab that a close relative of hers that she knew personally actually named the HiveWing tribe - implying that BeetleWings' extinction was actually relatively recent; within the last 200-400 years. Meaning that the genetic diversity of modern HiveWings is high enough that it would be incredibly unlikely for any random pair of HiveWings to pass down identical alleles to their child and cause significant issues.

So while, definition-wise, it is TECHNICALLY inbreeding, it is not a morally questionable issue because there are very few physically consequential results from their pairings; there have simply been FAR too many unrelated BeetleWings in their family trees for so long, that the VAST majority of HiveWings are as closely related to one another as the average city population in the United States.

Additionally, reptiles are not affected by incest the same way mammals are. The majority of unique pet trade reptile color morphs is a result of inbreeding for those colors; it's quite rare for them to have consequential anomalies as a result of such inbreeding as long as they aren't direct relatives only exclusively inbreeding with each other. Also these are magical fantasy dragons, so like. Shrug. I can't imagine incredibly distant relative consanguinity would affect them as badly as anything that's ever happened to British royalty.

(Also you didn't hear this from me, but MudWings are probably significantly more worrisome because of their monthly random breeding nights and no real semblance of family trees. I'd worry about them before worrying about tons of generations of hybrids with the genetic diversity of New York.)

[abby-wolf]

Free WoF Adopts!

Was inspired by @goosehadfood, @wings-of-fire-adopts (duh), and many others.

Reminder that you can change whatever you want about them once you have them!

If you want one, comment (not reblog) if you are keeping the name, if no, then write the new name, and the backstory you’d give them.

1 left!

1st, Smog, male, night/mud

Status: taken

Additional info: nervous, but likes painting

2nd, Aspen, non-binary, leaf

Status: taken

Additional info: watches u cuz no social skills

3rd, Safari, female, sand

Status: taken

Additional info: none :D

4th, Penguin, male, ice

Status: open

Additional info: rich enough for jewellery, has gold threaded through the scales, each scale pierced like an earring, and with gold thread connecting them. Possibly 3rd circle?

5th, Cucumber, female, silk

Status: taken

Additional info: accidentally made her a bit bright, feel free to change that!

6th, Blueberry, male, rain

Status: taken

Additional info: loves blueberries, introverted, likes to wander around on his own, searching for blueberries or just looking for something cool

Once a dragon is adopted, I will dm you their headshot without my name blasted across it :)

Let me know if I got the non-binary symbol wrong, please!

[pandamorphic]

Yeesh took way longer than i wanted, literally took like a week to sketch and line and adjust 😭 anyway finally did a thing for pride lol my boys!!! Every time I hear Always by PATD I think of them 💜💜💜

[pineapple-cheese-bread]

eyy saw that you're taking requests. i have 2 ocs, so you can draw just one of them or both, it's all up to you!! :D 💙✨

catfish is a gentle and friendly mud/sea hyrbid who is interested in arts, nature etc.

and his bestie, the skywing prince(in my au) venetian, who is also an animus.

I finished them, and may I just say, I love their designs.

Especially Catfish, I don't usually draw Mudwings and I love to draw Seawings, and his design is awesome and unique, and I just love designs like that

I hope I did them both well.

[kalcium-yippee]

Time for my official School Bus Graveyard Wings of Fire au! ¡¡THIS IS UP TO CHANGE!! Thanks to @spikedcollarsketches for some of the tribe and name inspo!

Ashlyn: Sky-Night hybrid named Ashfall! She has seer and reading powers but similar to whiteout they are very weak and wonky. A lot of the time she doesn't even realize she is having a prophetic dream or if it's just vibes. Same for the mindreading

*Aiden: Sand-night hybrid, looks more like a sandwing, name Afeaa (ah-fah, Arabic for a viper of sorts). No powers from his nightwing side.

*Ben: Nightwing named Bloodvoice. It would be super cool to give him mindreading powers but sadly I will leave him with nothing. But the bacteria in his mouth works stronger.

Logan: a Leafwing named Larkspur. Leafspeak !! But feels weird using it, but enjoys the communicating with plants part

Tyler: Mud-Ice hybrid named Tectonic. Looks more like an Icewing than a Mudwing.

Taylor: Mud-Ice hybrid named Taiga. Looks more like a Mudwing than an Icewing

Tay and Tys are still up to change btw

Thx to the folks in the notes helping me develop these guys!!

**Aiden and Ben being related I had to sort that out. Aiden's mom is a nightwing and dad is a sandwing. Aiden mom, iirc, is sisters with Ben's mom- or at least it looks that way in the webtoon, correct me if I'm wrong,- so ben would be on the nightwing side of things, both parents being such. If I'm wrong just switch the parents around for Aiden lol

[finalshockdown]

WINGS OF FIRE HEADSHOT ADOPTS

15$ - SB

1$ - MI

30$ - AB

Sanguine Stars - OPEN

Deepwater Depths - SOLD

Sly Sands - OPEN

Pessimistic Parakeet - OPEN

Reply to Offer!

[eclipsesdrawings]

A few sketches I made during the week!

I have more in my files but those three are the ones I like the most this far, the others will be uploaded once I have the time to finish them

The first one is a Ice/hive hybrid

The second one a Rain/sky hybrid

And the last one a Mud/sea hybrid

[stereorebel]

gfhgrhtjjjjjj,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, frostscales ice/sky named cryo and firescales sky/ice named pyro twins.......... must draw..............

[fourtytwo42]

Seven Grains of Sand: Prologue

[prophesykeeper]

With Berry and Ammonite, I finished drawing fullbodies for all of my main OCs.

[princedragonoverlord]

Inspired by the last art thing I reblogged!

Wof hybrid dragons but swap their hybridization!

Like the art I reblogged, Darkstalker that is mostly an Icewing! He still has animus power and maybe Nightwing abilities but he wants to be a full Icewing. Could completely change his dynamic with his father! He could also be on the side of the Icewings so I imagine things would change with his relationship with Clearsight and all the Nightwings.

Whiteout I imagine being mostly the same personality wise though she may not view her family the same way since the dynamic would change with Darkstalker's behavior. Her colors and features would be swapped too.

Sunny! Just think about it! They think they're gonna hatch a sandwing and out comes this strange Nightwing! This could alter the DoD, maybe they'd send her back to Thorn or maybe to the Nightwing island to grow up, or maybe they'd send Starflight back! Depending on how much her features swap maybe she'd have a stinger on her tail, though that would make her hybridization more obvious and they'd probably her rid of her as a DoD.

(Also would the Nightwing island even exist!?!? Maybe it would become an Icewing island or maybe it wouldn't be known about since Darkstalker probably would actively be helping the Icewings. Maybe there wouldn't be any Nightwings!?!?!?)

Also other minor hybrid characters and their roles in the story could change. Maybe this would change the Hivewings appearances considering they're descended from hybrids essentially.

[percytotoripley]

Moving swiftly on to Borealis's adoptive family!

Name: Oak

Age: 16

Siblings: Queen Bayou (MudWing); Briar (MudWing); Poppy (MudWing)

Partner: Shimmer (SeaWing)

Dragonets: Gator (MudSeaWing); Scallop (MudSeaWing)

Adoptive Dragonet: Borealis (IceRainWing)

Name: Shimmer

Age: 15

Grandmother: Queen Starfish (SeaWing)

Parents: Prince Caspian (SeaWing); Mariana (SeaWing)

Siblings: Tidal (SeaWing), Guppy (SeaWing)

Partner: Oak (MudWing)

Dragonets: Gator (MudSeaWing); Scallop (MudSeaWing)

Adoptive Dragonet: Borealis (IceRainWing)

Name: Gator (MudSeaWing)

Age: 7

Parents: Oak (MudWing); Shimmer (SeaWing)

Sibling: Scallop (MudSeaWing)

Adoptive Sibling: Borealis (IceRainWing)

Name: Scallop (MudSeaWing)

Age: 5

Parents: Oak (MudWing); Shimmer (SeaWing)

Sibling: Gator (MudSeaWing)

Adoptive Sibling: Borealis (IceRainWing)

Once again, the bases were not done by me. They were done by the talented HoneyBeest!

[pioneer-10]

Ended up drawing myself and my partner @starchilll as Wings of Fire hybrids - myself as a SandWing/SkyWing, and them as a SeaWing/NightWing.

I had a lot of fun designing them :]