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Okay so I just finished binging season 1 of Peaky Blinders and I’m in fucking tears like why did I decide to watch this show T_T
UPDATE! So! I finished Peaky Blinders and for once I have CLOSURE when watching a tv show. CLOSURE! Fan-fucking-tastic show! Will destroy you in the process but is sooo goood tho!
#peaky blinders#i’m sobbing#why do writers kill me like this#he deserves better#why do writers kill off characters#and now I’m crying again#and he said he loved her in the letter too#I just want a happy love story#will the next 5 seasons repair my heart or am I just gonna be left feeling dead inside#it feels like the ending of season 1 of htgawm#and that STILL FING HURTS#tommy should be happy#fantastic acting tho#11/10 would recommend#if you like to be an emotional mess#cinemetography#beautiful cinematography#fabulous casting
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The moral of the arcane season two act three is that if you're suicidal you should just go ahead and kill yourself
#Why did they give all three of their suicidal characters successful suicide attempts#If it just happens once that's one thing but all three of them#Suicide mention#the arcane spoilers#Before anyone says anything no I do not think they literally meant to say this bit it's kind of. An unfortunate turn of events#Arcane handled so many really heavy themes really well in s1 and then in s2 uh. Well the themes were there#Case in point is season one was like oh let's subtly yet plainly imply it by having jayce and viktor step off a ledge and jinx k#Let herself get blown up by one of her own grenades to blow up ekko to signify her lack of self preservation#And then in season two she goes off to kill herself and vi is like damn alright I'm gonna fuck my girlfriend in her jail cell now#And then jinx literally blows herself up like 10 times and then fall into a hole#The jayvik double suicide wasn't as bad but it still adds to the numbers and man it sucks that a disabled man who fought so hard to live#Just dies anyway#Oh Isha kills herself also but it's a noble sacrifice which makes it fine I guess#Heimerdinger also kind of does it. Listen I know tragedy writers love writing noble sacrifices but like can we calm down for a second#It's possible for people to die for normal reasons also
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seeing people genuinely complain about the deaths in the acolyte and throwing around words like cruel and sadistic just once again has me thinking people need to actually sit and ponder on where a story is going and if it's something they can handle watching. nothing about the acolyte has implied it's anything besides a murder mystery, and features an entirely new cast of characters — something that, the last time we saw this in live action, ended in them all dying. just because something belongs to a franchise you love, doesn't mean you have to watch it, or that it has to be your cup of tea. It also doesn't make it bad storytelling if it's too brutal for your liking. The internet gives you every opportunity to make an informed opinion on what you consume, ultimately it's your responsibility, not the show's, to cater to what you can handle.
#when I first heard I was devastated don't get me wrong and when I saw the gifs! Oof!!#I decided not to watch that night and waited until the next afternoon to after a lot of careful consideration#and still I closed my eyes when yord died because I don't want to see that#but it's not bad that the show made this decision. It's certainly not cruel or sadistic on the writers parts good grief#it's to raise the stakes and make qimir a terrifying villain#the best way to do that is to make it personal for both the characters and the audience#this is no different than Ren killing Tekka and the villagers and torturing Poe in his introduction#and unfortunately I think ultimately that introduction wasn't “”enough“” for people because I've seen ppl say why should they care abt#a bunch of red shirts + ignore poe's torture entirely to focus on han instead because that's what “matters”#it's classic storytelling to kill off a beloved character to establish a villain#you have gotten too comfortable with media making itself palatable and inconsequential#nym speaks
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hey! i was just going through your blog, and i saw a post about ice&carole and mav&goose. i looked a bit more but i couldn't find a post about your take on mav and goose's relationship, so i wanted to ask what it was. if you have answered this, i'm sorry about asking you again. imo i think what they had was wayy deeper than friendship but complex and probably not romantic, but again, i just wanted to know your thoughts on it.
thank you! and this blog has probably been one of the best finds i have ever come across on tumblr, i'll be sad to see you go.
yeah, i was really trying to be suave and subtle and mysterious about it with this parallel
like, you should be able to figure it out for yourself.
but luckily for you i looooove beating dead horses. to a problematic degree.
the full story of my vision of mavgoose (moose?) is in the completed draft of the extras that are coming out on Saturday. about halfway through. But i want to bring it back to the internal craft-of-writing debate i brought up yesterday—my inability to summarize, or to cut superfluous sections that don’t really matter.
I’ll stick it under the cut for spoiler reasons, but i wanna show the simple first draft of this scene versus the complicated, heavier final draft. And I want to ask any of you, if you’re interested—as a reader, which is more impactful? which should i end up publishing?
the simple first draft:
then i kept turning it in my head thinking of different ways to edit it to say something slightly different, to get a little more specific, coming up with things to add, and ended up adding like five extra paragraphs. which is this:
about 1/4 of the final draft (by which i mean, this is about 1/4 of the whole final discussion scene, but the goosemav-specific content only goes on for about another graf [omitted bc spoilers]):
(so to answer your ask explicitly, i actually don’t think they were anything deeper than good friends. imo there’s no evidence that they were anything deeper than good friends, especially with maverick blowing goose/goose’s wishes off soooo many times [‘she’s lost that lovin feelin;’ volleyball; refusing to do the responsible thing at least twice even after goose tells him it puts his & his family’s livelihoods at risk…bro all he does is blow off goose]. see me bitching in the tags for more on this)
obviously in my head the complicated in-depth version ⬆️ is the True version, the version of events that really Happened. i think the writing is in some spots much more compelling. But it just doesn’t make for a particularly good reading experience when it’s surrounded by like 3/4 pages of other discussion of history! sometimes too much of (what i think is) a good thing turns that good thing bad! & this is a major keystone dynamic of my whole series so i just want to get it right, for my own peace of mind. I guess im asking you to be the harsh editor i wish i had sometimes, if ur interested in doing so—this is genuinely a major major problem i have with my writing, i can’t ever just leave well enough alone 😭 please let me know if simpler is better/less is more in this case! do i publish the short vague “the reader fills in the blanks” version or the long boring “here’s EXACTLY how i see it” version?
#crowd sourcing beta readers. let me know.#also.#how many times do i have to say maverick is neither a good person nor a good friend#and the writers of TGM hugely whitewashed and dulled down the original sharpness and thoughtlessness of his character#for the sake of post-50s tom cruise mary-sueifying him#before it sticks?#if it helps you can write out a list of his actions in the original movie.#for instance: > blows off goose to be late to dinner with Charlie anyway#> follows her into the women’s restroom > continues a pattern of dangerous behavior even after#Goose his supposed best friend tells him multiple times it is threatening their jobs#the truck master scene… the locker room scene… the ‘can’t afford to blow this scene’#and then he does it a FOURTH TIME AND KILLS GOOSE HELLO!!!!!#so much for being a good friend like c’mon!!!#if he REALLY respected goose he would have SHOWN HIS RESPECT FOR GOOSE!!!#i am leaving this blog so out come the hot takes!#movies are also woobifying tom cruise lately! how’s that for a hot take#i genuinely felt insulted by TGM’s sexless passionless soft bokeh-light KIND OF half-sex with Penny. that was insulting.#what happened to the savage bitter kid in 1986 top gun? why is he so soft and toothless?#the only time we see him is in the ‘it’s not the plane it’s the pilot’ ‘EXACTLY’ exchange. THATS maverick.#sorry you know me. TGM is not my favorite. i am extremely cynical about it.#i love the IP but the writing choices in the 2nd movie wrt mav especially make me…. 😵💫😵💫#pete maverick mitchell#nick goose bradshaw#mavgoose#you can ignore me bitching but pls don’t ignore my begging for secondary opinions here
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Finally finished sweet tooth s3. Having incredibly mixed feelings
#love the show. love it a lot. about to be a bitch in the tags anyways#it was. so so messy. they needed another season so bad. the alaska trip took up so much of the comics#and that was with the previously established cast#in the show they introduced a million new characters. gave us no time to get to know them before they were thrown head first into the plot#and condensed an arc that was almost half of the comics into the span of like 5 episodes#my boy singh. oh how they massacred by boy#i mean. okay. in the context of the show the arc wasn't horrible for him.#but i think his survival in the comic and his dedication of his life to making up for the mistakes of his past by helping people and hybrids#would've been so much more powerful than his random self sacrifice at the end of the show.#bc honestly it just seems like another impulsive act in his moral flip flop he'd been having for the last few episodes#rather than active choice to be better#and honestly i wanted to see his delusional paranoid religious breakdown from the comics put to screen so bad#it would've been great#i do like that he turned against zhang the second she started trying to talk about rani. that shit slapped#the several fake outs about Jepp's death were so stupid and unnecessary and repetitive#why are you baiting everyone. you're going to piss off the hardcore comic fans waiting for his death and confuse the show fans#either commit to killing him or stop pretending like you're brave enough to do it#why did they flip back so hard into the mystical vaguely eco fascist backstory and outcome of the comic#after spending two seasons trying to build a more scientific and less 'humanity must end' story for two seasons straight#they tried to make it seem less 'humanity must die' again at the end by ending the virus#which i guess might've been the best outcome available considering the source material and the limitations of it's ending#but idk. it felt weird#the writing this season was so much less subtle. it felt like the characters were constantly monologing directly at the camera#nothing could be left unsaid everyone had to say exactly what they meant#and it was all moral lessons the writers were trying to feed directly to the audience#i feel like they wrote themselves into a corner at the end of the last season#and they expected to have at least one more season to write themselves out of it before the ending#and if not. if this was the plan since the beginning. literally what. WHAT.#can not imagine the people who wrote the last two seasons sitting down and writing this#it won't let me add more tags but i have more thoughts. many more. tumblr is silencing me for speaking the truth /j
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ooo ruin fans up in arms about today’s episode (it’s me. I’m ruin fans)
spoilers for today’s episode (Ruin’s wither shard) in tags
#inspired by other’s positive-rage posts#Ruin does nawt deserve what Nexus is giving him I agree#He knows intimately well what the creator can do and did what he could to stop further catastrophe aka suffering#the line about Ruin caring more for his friends than he did himself. oooough#he has always had the bigger picture in mind and even now is doing his best to keep others or himself alive#but you also have to think about why the writers are revealing Ruin’s story /now/#Ruin is being shown to be a sympathetic character AFTER his ‘villain’ moment has been done#As nexus said Ruin is running out of use so to say#I think they’re either about to Redemption Arc him or kill him off. which depends on what happens while Ruin is out looking for a shard#I used to argue that Ruin wouldn’t die immediately following Solar’s death because we don’t know much about him still#but now. we do have that information#So unless Ruin can bring something new to the table in terms of character or narrative importance#it’s fully likely he’s going to be culled soon. if they don’t try to redeem him#personally team Redemption myself but if he dies I hope it won’t be for nothing#quirky rambling
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TRoP Season Finale spoilers under the cut
Fuck this show.
If this was fanfic I'd gobble it the fuck up but these people are writing official Tolkien stuff. Half-assed bluster poetics ain't really gonna cut it for me even though I'm not a Tolkien purist.
Rest in peace Adar, you would've loved the Tragedy of Julius Caesar (not)
#never for a moment have i been a hater but#they try even if clumsily build up sympathy for the orcs through Glúg and through their loyalty to Adar#only for them to turn coat OFF SCREEN?#like yeah orcs will orc I'm not mad about them betraying him but HOW they betrayed him#like you give us a really cool concept of Nenya healing Adar's very soul the moment before you kill him off?#why tf was Adar in the forest anyway why not enter Eregion to execute Sauron on the spot?#he HAD to lose at one point I ain't delulu but this death wasn't poetic to me it was just a waste#like I see the semblance of logic in everything the writers do but it all falls so flat#like Adar had this big powerful moment at the end of ep 7 only for him to be Julius Caesar-d by GLÚG of all people?#there were signs but honestly#Glúg choosing fucking Sauron because he was mad at Adar trying to protect HIM and all the Uruks like#what was the point of Glúg then it's like they couldn't make up their fucking minds about whether orcs can be capable of redemption or not#and don't get me started on the Balrog getting like 30 seconds after they've been teasing it all season and even the season 1#or that Isidul the most crucial CANON character to the story didn't do shit all season aside from homewrecking lol#also Arondir is fine??? Apparently??? Like completely fine???#and the whole Rhún sequence was just filler in the end too#bruh#i've never been a hater before to anything and yeah there IS bias on my part regarding Adar but#irrelevant things are given depth and actually interesting narratives are left shallow and just crumble under all the flawed logic#mist mumbles#mist rants and raves
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so cruel to be stricken with blorbotions for a character in a mediocre source material. i love u ma'am but ur covered in bad writing grime!! idk if there's anything i can do for u....
#this is about honoria from the buccaneers and i'm in pain#i just need someone to tell me why this show parses like it's fully missing episodes' worth of plot and character development.#why do characters constantly reference events that never happened on screen#why do they think they've earned their jane austen angsty confessions when we haven't done enough building on any relationships here#honoria and mabel are quietly having the x500 speedrun of every lesbian period piece's plot without any of the emotional logic#like the writers really think they can have characters have fights and storm off and then.... without doing any scenes that show developmen#..... jump right to a ' i'm so sorry for the things i said. i've totally changed my perspective and gotten over this conflict. offscreen <3#guys.... guys u need to show characters interacting with conflict and mind-changing stimuli they cannot just whiplash between vibes#with absolutely no apparent motivation other than 'this is what has to happen next for the plot'#killing me over here. honoria sweetie i'm so sorry that an ugly ass writer's room like this would even say that oh my god#i don't even read edith wharton's works but i KNOW she has to deserve better than this adaptation is doing to her writing#||x sheer calculated silliness [ ooc ]
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THAT DIDNT FUCKING HAPPEN. STOP
#NOOOO#WHY WOULD THEY KILL HIM OFF!!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!#HES SUCH AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER?? WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING??#really starting 2 wonder if the writers of this show actually enjoyed reading the books. what are they doing
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the thing is. all my favourite blorbos have always died. it’s a curse. and now i embrace it. i need it. i root for it. i love a good death
#literal pet peeve is writers who won’t kill off main characters#like stranger things guys who just introduce a new person to kill every season lol#or bring the cop back to life#why would u do that#that death was a good moment#and then u made it worthless
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i Do truly think that in yellowjackets (2021) we will be introduced to adult van in the 2021 timeline only to have the final scene of the 1996 timeline have us come to the sudden realization that van has been dead the entire time
#.txt#in the Worst timeline. it will be tai herself who kills her while sleepwalking.#she Already has gotten her hands on something sharp to sever the rope that ties them together. whose to say what will be next to get free.#in other timelines. she Will simply starve or die of exposure or illness or etc etc etc etc#like i KNOW the reason she hasnt been mentioned is bc she Was supposed to die and the writers changeed their minds but.... Suspicious#yellowjackets#ive convinced myself of this#but the Other thought line is that she's been off and on with lottie#which is why shes seemed to disappear from the present#she had a genuine belief in the wilderness in the past that None of the shown surviving characters had#would she be able to let go of that so easily.#i do not think so#this stuck in my brain well enough that i Did write a whole fic#out of the 'van's not dead' thought line
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I really don’t understand this mindset that runs in film YouTubers’ people’s heads that the biggest problem with Stranger Things is that the writers refuse to kill off main characters???? my dude it’s not their inability to kill off characters that’s the problem it’s their affinity for introducing way too many characters to the cast in the first place and then not knowing what the fuck to do with them afterwards
#and killing off characters just because you have too many of them is such a cheap and lazy cop out#it’s exactly why basically everyone who’s even slightly a fan of the show isn’t happy about eddie’s death#and don’t get me wrong as sad as I’d be to see some characters die I’m not against it#if it serves the story better then it serves the story better I’ll get over myself#but as it stands I honestly just don’t think the story would be better with more death in it#I can think of maybe one or two characters MAYBE and that’s about it#so either a) stop introducing new members to the cast or#b) after it’s too late and you’ve already introduced them GIVE THEM SOMETHING INTERESTING TO DO THAT FITS THEIR ARC#you can even send them away from Hawkins to have a small arc offscreen if you want to get rid of them idc#like we could’ve had that with the California gang in S4 but no#apparently not#(btw this is referencing like … technical writing problems not social problems with stuff like the racism in the show)#(that’s a whole other can of worms we can’t open because if I start I won’t stop and I’m afraid I’ll get violent)#stranger things#the duffer brothers#the duffers are bad writers#lol sorry
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when i create characters, i base them off of people. my main characters are almost always based off of me and my supporting characters are based off of friends.
of course, i always ask before basing a character off of someone. this leads to questions a few weeks later like “how’s the book going?” and “how’s my character doing?”
it gets hard to explain to my friends why i’ve killed their character off
#english#writerscommunity#writing problems#writer problems#women writers#like how do i explain this#they always ask too#“why did you kill my character off”#“i felt like it”
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reading maeve fly by cj leede bc i asked my writers group for dark comedy recs and i fucking hate this book </3
#every character is awful in an uninteresting way#and they act like theyre awful in an interesting way U ARENT U WILL NEVER BE KANGHAN KRITTIN SUKPRASET#and its soooo boring#someone literally got murdered and im just sitting here like 🥱#and this mc is pissing me off bc shes like why cant women bc angry and vile and dangerous or whatever#when she only started serial killing after meeting some guy#like what do u want me to say#yayyy a self important white woman is serial killing 😁#(ignore the fact that i also have a self important white woman who also serial kills i do it in a more interesting way!!!!!)#like at best it could be a critique of like white entitlement or something#but i find that hard to believe when the writer is a white woman </3#and this writing style is obnoxious!!! its like an alien wrote this#and it could be the point since maeve is supposed to be a weirdo who doesnt fit in#me when the skinny white girl w a rich family says shes a weirdo who doesnt fit in 😐#but the writing genuinely sucks the life out of every single scene like i cant buy anything as real things happening to these ppl#i cant even buy these ppl as ppl!!!?#maybe its supposed to be like my year of rest and relaxation where its critique of all these things but i am not getting that now...#it all feels like its being played straight lol#also not funny. didnt laugh#tbf the person who recced it said they werent sure if it counted as a dark comedy#im still gonna finish it to see if my opinion changes but so far im not liking it :/#vinnie talks
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when i look back at my t/oh hyperfixation i do find it a little surprising i kept up with the show past season 1, not to say the show is bad but it went in a different direction than what i expected for better or for worse
#soren.txt#for better (found family trope stays dominating + good disability rep) or for worse (friend group getting split into l/umity + h/untlow)#and season 3 was an organized mess at best. not that that was the crews fault entirely#but i think them killing flapjack off at the end of his character arc when they're already on a time crunch as it is#is probably one of the dumbest writing choices#like you already had all that screentime for hunter. just to smash the reset button and try to shovel together some semblance of completion#this would've worked pretty well in a longer season. but you only have two episodes left in the show so *why* are you doing it now#when other characters need that screentime so much more#<- which is funny because he wasn't even involved with the final fight with his abuser so what was the fucking point lol#it really reeks of 'this character is the writers favorite' so they wanted an excuse to write more for him#i should've been suspicious the moment someone on the crew said how much they loved traumatizing him tbh
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"I look so ugly "
-bad
-makes you feel self-conscious
"I look like I killed a man"
-good, great even
-effective
-temporary state of being (assuming you don't kill a man every day)
-you would be really cool in a Fantasy book
#I'm serious when i say pls try this some day idk why but it works#please do not kill anybody ok#just pretend#or write a book and kill off the characters modeled after ppl u don't like#writing#writers on tumblr#my writing#writing prompt
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