#white people stfu challenge

[crazycatsiren]

Take this from a Chinese immigrant: it is not "racist" to call it "Chinese New Year". In fact, I think it was Chinese people who came up with this English name for it.

White people stop deciding what is and what is not racist for the people whom racism affects challenge year 2024.

[moondyad]

sometimes i scroll all the way over to that "news" section on my phone and see random articles recommended to me by google. today i was met with this article:

(you don't have to read it or give it any traction, it doesn't deserve that. it's simply here for context)

confused by the title, i was hooked into reading it. but the conclusion was simply, "My Lady Jane almost got as many renewal signatures as The Acolyte got, so the fans who did sign the petition are a vocal minority." and then went on to say this:

and i went "oh". these questions told me everything i needed to know about the author, he was a cis white guy. i scrolled to the end and sure enough, i was right. it really pisses me off when people are so entitled that they think something is just for them and should never branch out into appealing to other demographics. watching a cis white man protagonist in a movie or series never bothered me, why does it bother a cis white man when that situation is reversed, unless it comes down to bigotry?

forgotten what they are? the original trilogy was anti-war messaging and influenced heavily by a Japanese film, The Hidden Fortress. like frankly, shut the hell up. i'm so sorry that you got 7 (the new one making it 8) movies and ~7 series where a protagonist was a cis man who you could relate to. why is it so wrong to have media be "something for everyone" without the implicit reason being to alienate poc, lgbtq, or other minorities from your fandom.

yes, there is this almost weird corporate pandering where minorities get shoved in a role to be the "token", we generally don't like that shit either. we don't want half-baked representation. having a black woman protagonist just... being on the screen, is not "woke" corporate pandering!! what do you do if you pass a black woman on the street? scream, cry, throw a fit? i'm sorry to tell you that people exist?

i know this fandom is full of older white men, but i am continually surprised by the general narrow-mindedness and lack of media literacy that is so prevalent among them. when they willfully ignore the more progressive messaging of the original movies, it's like the alt-right manosphere space using The Matrix as a "stop being a societal sheep" metaphor when the directors and writers of the movie were two trans women who intended for the movie to be a metaphor for transformation. i won't say transness explicitly, because both of them were closeted at the time of making it and admit they only knew how to depict that in the form of their character, Switch, who was a trans allegory.

i for one was left with more questions than answers at the end of The Acolyte. i am a very lore-focused individual and tend to dissect things with the culmination of the information i know. but i did not hate the show. the characterization didn't have enough time to breathe for decisions to have felt earned, and just in general the pacing was quite fast. the newer concepts like heavily grey characters and Osha/Mae being the same person were very exciting to me, and i had hoped to learn more about Qimir in the next season. now i'll never get that chance.

if criticisms of the show stuck to the fast pacing or plot holes, we wouldn't be having this discussion. i like to think that one day these older fans will recognize the irony of their stances, but it might just be wishful thinking.

[strawberryswitchblader]

i go on pinterest every once in a while to look at gerard images and it recommends me a lot of low quality mcr memes now and what rly strikes me is how many people are obsessedd with rays hair 😐 i think theyre mostly older posts but god if i dont want to reach through the screen and strangle every one of those memes that act like him having big hair is in itself funny/a bit

[deliciouspirateangel]

Those fans: idk i just always like the killers more like they’re so much more fun than the heroes idk i guess i just love all the messy complex characters 🤪🤪

also Those fans:

likeee are you sure you’re obsessed with All the killers or are there just two big reasons you’re obsessed with the driest one this go round???

[kellterntempest]

Universe give me strength not to commit crime against my white cishet male boomer coworker who annoys the SHIT out of me

[elbiotipo]

Afroargentina here to say those people are deranged fr, there is race issues in argentina but it's none of their business to judge? why won't they simply let afroargs speak for ourselves??? USamericans are oppressors, and benefit from US imperialism, yes, even POC, enough to oppress people in third world countries, specially other POC. Black usamericans moving to africa and latin america and gentrifying local communites bc of their access to us dollars is just one of many examples of that. (1/2)

Let's not even mention how they are so quick to appropriate anything latine, music, food, religion, customs, language, but then turn around and isolate us or throw us under the bus at every chance possible. You simply made a joke calling out white authors for their bs. Isn't that exactly what we always ask white allies to do?? to call out other white people's racism?? you're doing just fine, biotipo. Gringos stfu in latine discussions challenge. (2/2)

I don't think they care about Afro-Argentines and other afro-latinos, if they even know about them. While I'm sure many Usamericans do learn about racial issues in their own country and others, most of the time I find out that when they talk to people from other countries they make absolutely no effort to learn about them. They just want to know your race to see how they can insult you and in what box you fit. Which is… an extremely fucked up worldview, but there they go.

I also love that they assume that we are not aware about the history of racism and genocide in Argentina, as if it isn't taught in schools and as if isn't a major ongoing discussion, as if afro-argentines, indigenous argentines, and other groups aren't organized and pushing for their recognition; these past few years have brought those issues to the national spotlight and I think the discussions so far have changed a lot of peole's minds. But again, yanquis just don't care. It's up to us to learn, care and change our own societies, they don't have anything to offer but meaningless discourse.

I will not comment that much on gentrification and cultural appropiation because it's such a huge topic, but I will say that while it's not as criminal as naked imperialism, it shows that no matter your ethnicity, you can assimilate imperial ideologies and mindsets and try to impose them in other people, and those people will call you out for it.

Thanks for the ask!

[buffporcupine]

”white people stfu challenge” is so racist do not say that about any race ever. ok gn

[fanby-fckry]

Random vent: (If this is rebloggable, it’s a glitch/me forgetting to turn reblogs off; please don’t reblog)

Content Warning: Transphobia, exorsexism, queer infighting

Transmascs who don’t believe in transandrophobia confuse me. Like, have you never experienced it? How have you never experienced it?

I guess some of them are just too white? I know it’s definitely worse for trans men/mascs of color, especially Black trans men/mascs, because antiblackness already hits Black men super hard, and adding transphobia on top of that just intensifies it.

But like, I’m white and I’ve had experiences with transandrophobia? I would say that maybe this is a ‘coming out in 2014 USA, just 1 year after we decided it was time to try and catch up to the rest of the world on trans healthcare’ thing, but this whole theyfab bullshit is pretty transandrophobic.

(Don’t come for me on that. I survived Tumblr’s 2010’s tucute vs transmed discourse. Like 90% of ‘transtrender’ stereotypes were about AFAB nonbinary people being feminine/having boobs/not binding, along with the non-dysphoric/semi-dysphoric thing, and “weird” genders/pronouns. There was a very strange, sometimes vaguely sexual focus on our boobs. I did not run a tucute blog just for people to rebrand this bullshit and act like it’s not transphobic/transandrophobic/exorsexist.)

Also, speaking of exorsexism, intersex people get left in the dust in transmasc vs transfemme infighting, and they deserve better. Perisex trans people stfu and acknowledge that the sex binary is just as much a social construct as the gender binary, listen to intersex people, and accept nuance challenge.

Anyways, just in case people genuinely cannot recognize transandrophobia, here are some of my experiences:

I cannot research my own medical condition without being misgendered, because it involves having a uterus

I cannot find an OBGYN to help me treat said medical condition that doesn’t misgender me; most have “women” in the practice name, and I spend time educating my fucking doctor about trans & nonbinary identities, just to still get misgendered. Because I’d rather not have my uterus make me literally psychotic roughly once a month, I grin and bear it.

The aforementioned transtrender/theyfab stuff

People assuming that being transmasc is just a symptom of “internalized misogyny” or “being fed up with how patriarchal society treats women” (I mean, I am fed up with the patriarchy, but I’m still fucking trans)

Not being taken seriously because I take birth control and not T (Again: medical condition! PMDD is already understudied because of medical misogyny, and I haven’t seen anything but a single instance of anecdotal evidence regarding the effectiveness of T as treatment. There’s no guarantee that T will stop my periods, and even if it does, some people still PMS or get cramps on T after losing periods, and PMDD is PMS on crack, with cramps so bad they set off my abdominal migraines!)

There is a very specific brand of transmasc infantilization that I’ve been subject to (I know transfemmes are infantilized too, but people often come at us both from different angles, and it’s ok to acknowledge that; transmisogyny and transandrophobia can exist at the same time and even overlap somewhat without us invalidating each other’s experiences)

My cis ex-bf often weaponized transandrophobia and exorsexism, along with against me, claiming it was “difficult” to be with someone who was nonbinary, that he was being oh-so patient and kind to me by not dumping me after I came out, and implying that nobody else would want me because I wasn’t a girl anymore (joke’s on him: I’m t4t now, motherfucker)

My trans fiancé and I are called lesbians on the regular. Even if we explain it, some people will argue, as if we don’t have the agency to define our own genders and relationship. And if they don’t, usually the best I can hope for irl is to get his gender recognized because he passes better, and have people think we’re a straight couple.

And that’s just me, personally. I don’t have the intersecting marginalizations that trans men/mascs of color and intersex trans men/mascs do. I haven’t been straight up denied medical care like some trans men/mascs. I haven’t been arrested for possession of legally acquired T like some trans men/mascs. I’ve never been harassed or assaulted for being transmasc like some people have. (I’ve been harassed for being trans, but that was actually general transphobia and exorsexism; it wasn’t targeting my transmasculinity, but the fact that I was trans/nonbinary at all.)

Like, if you’re transmasc and you’ve never experienced any of that, good for you, I guess? But that doesn’t mean the rest of us aren’t out here in the trenches.

[jewishbarbies]

BE SO REAL RIGHT NOW

Having Black friends would not and does not in anyway way justify or excuse dating a yt supremacist. 🤡 Swifties stfu challenge

it's literally the go-to defense for racist white people and it's actually laughable they don't see it.

[sayyourprayers]

this fandom sucks balls. period. worst people. hope i never meet 99.99% of u germs irl. never loved different time zones as much as NOW. so far i have seen:

babybigot defenders

fw stans

byler stans

jcb stans

poseurs going pat me on the back i said colonialism is not sexy

all in and around a discussion of what is basically old school pillaging.

one day y'all will realise that you are adding NOTHING to the "conversation". Also, the fucking gall of white saviour asses trynna explain this as any type of "conversation" to be had at all re: the conflict itself, not the reactions of entitled pricks who yearn to be oppressed for points. i say white cuz unfortunately colonialism is skewed mostly in the favour of yous and it fucking SHOWS. white people shut up about something that doesn't concern you even by 6 degrees of separation challenge NOT ACCEPTED. make everything about us challenge won before offered.

you are NOT COOL for supporting Hamas. YOU ARE UNFATHOMABLY UNCOOL for trynna pass yourselves off as even being in the position to look up to Hamas as saviours. Nope. That's for the Gazans and Palestinians ALONE.

It's like them savarna people telling the non-savarnas that "ya'll need to fight this system". Erm thanks. They know. STFU. Go find something else to make yourselves feel better about yourself that isn't just disaster porn oooh my bleeding heart cuz ya'll self-obsessed fools are showing your asses.

if you not doin the "act" of activism stfu. (boycotting st is not that, lemme not let you marinate in the joy of your bravery) your exceptionalist interventionist ass regime has time and time again proven that ya'll suck more than ya'll don't in times like these. do NOT use the half token of being a half asssed colony of 500 years ago that actually ended up colonising for longer as some sort of weird kinship moment. FUCK OFF.

seriously annoying mofos. to borrow the words of one of yous. Kill your self (digitally).

[crazycatsiren]

I'm just going to come out and say this: being against self diagnosing autism and invalidating of self diagnosed autistic people is being racist, plain and simple, and I'm not interested in your white privileged bullshit, the end.

[as8bakwthesage]

I think the biggest issue with fandom is probably the lack of moderation.

And I don’t say this meaning “fandom should be moderated,” no. I mean, people in fandoms tend to do things in excess or can be very overindulgent with certain things. Fandom lacks personal or individual restraint.

Yes, it’s good to read fiction that will challenge you and will make you uncomfortable, but it’s also important to approach those subjects carefully and when reading or engaging with this material it’s important to step away and engage in other content. (This is about the on-going discourse regarding whether it’s okay to write about difficult topics. The answer is “yes*” *but please also do research, if you are a survivor learn about other people’s experiences. Fuck, if you ain’t a survivor, do this regardless.)

Yes, it’s healthy to self ship and there are psychological benefits to it, but it’s also important to also have real and healthy relationships with people. Platonic or romantic. It’s also important to recognise when something is too far. (This is about how people tend to take their obsessions with characters too far, and don’t engage with actual real people in their day to day lives.)

Yes, it’s healthy to have coping mechanisms, but don’t glorify or make light of serious issues such as rape or incest or abuse. Organisations have written guides on how to write topics such as suicide or rape and how to best approach these kinds of topics in fiction. Use them please. (This is about “proshippers.”**)

Yes, art should be free of censorship, but please let’s respect the wishes of the creator when it comes to the character’s sexualities, romantic preferences. And yes, it’s healthy to draw vent art or write vent fiction but please don’t post your incest/rape/abuse fics about your personal trauma online where people can see it and be cunts about it. (This is about how people frequently disregard aroace characters’ sexualities in order to ship them with other characters. This is also about “proshippers.”)

Yes, it’s good to have debate and talk with your fellow humans, and you shouldn’t be afraid to speak to other people. But it’s also important to know that your experiences may not be universal and bigotry is a very real thing. (This is specifically about fandom racism and how people treat people of colour in fandom because holy shit, white people, listen. Stfu and listen.)

Yes, it’s okay to have something as a means of escapism. But not to the detriment of other people. (This is about Palestine, and Sudan, and Congo.)

People have gotten waaaay too comfortable sharing very intimate and personal details about themselves online. Publicly too. Stuff that maybe you should reconsider before sharing with others, such as your mental disorders/traumas/real names/etc. And obviously, I can’t talk about every single aspect of fandom and the nuances behind a lot of stuff, but hopefully my point is at least somewhat clear. Approach anything you do online with restraint.

I think the best piece of advice I’d give to folks would be this: Please always think about the work you engage with, think about other people when posting and how they will feel, and that just because this is the internet, it doesn’t mean that you are anonymous. Have empathy. Approach conversations in good faith. Ask for clarification if something isn’t clear. Go outside. Seriously, go outside. Open a window in your room. Do other things too. Read fiction or non-fiction stories, depending on which is more out of your wheelhouse. Please go actually read the books you claim to be experts on. Go out of your way to follow more POC who are in your fandoms. Don’t ignore the real world.

**I put “proshipper” in quotation marks because I’m doing that annoying thing where people put quotation marks over terms they think are weird or when they are being sarcastic. In this case, I think proshipper as a term has been very much muddled in so much fandom discourse that it’s very hard to talk about proshippers without someone not understanding what the fuck the other person is talking about. In this case, proshipper means someone who is comfortable shipping characters regardless of the level of abuse prevalent in the relationship, and even romanticise it to some extent, portraying these relationships as desirable.

[diobrando]

How are you going to go to a movie theater and tell other people they are rude and need to learn to behave themselves when all they're doing is quietly asking each other clarifying questions during the film... white people stfu challenge. White people gtfo of our community challenge. You should get the shit beat out of you since you want to act a fool in a ghetto place

[skykittywhatchamahcallit]

Lol your brand of white libfeminism is showing

"sometimes you have to tell women to stfu and listen"

yeah ok mra lol go suck tate's chode. Another fucking dick pandering gendie braindead fuck. Stay out of gc circles, you annoying ass, deluded bootlicker.

I’m just gonna go ahead and put a very important quote here

“The contemporary presence of female-headed house holds has led many people to assume that children in these households are not learning patriarchal values because no male is present. They assume that men are the sole teachers of patriarchal thinking. Yet many female-headed households endorse and promote patriarchal thinking with far greater passion than two-parent households. Because they do not have an experientialality to challenge false fantasies of gender roles, women in such households are far more likely to idealize the patriarchal male role and patriarchal men than are women who live with patriarchal men every day. We need to highlight the role women play in perpetuating and sustaining patriarchal culture so that we will recognize patriarchy as a system women and men support equally, even if men receive more rewards from that system. Dismantling and changing patriarchal culture is work that men and women must do together.”- bell hooks

[lapeaudelamemoire]

Every time I see white 'Westerners' talking about any kind of issue relating to non-white folks like the 'Voice [to Parliament]' for Indigenous folks in the ongoingly occupied settler-colony that is so-called 'Australia', or commenting on colonialism etc., it's always outstandingly marked by a complete lack of nuance.

It's also in itself an entire microcosm of colonialism in action when hordes of people reblog this type of 'progressive' shit.

It invariably, incessantly, comes across as continuing to push their own agenda which is inexorably marred by their white 'Western' colonial lens. I have no doubt people mean well and are trying to do the right thing but they continue to perpetuate colonial bs because they haven't done the fucking self- and decolonising work.

E.g.,

'Woke' white person: Vote Yes for the Voice so Indigenous folks will have a Voice!

Someone who has actually got a fucking grasp on what a settler-colony is: Actually this has nothing to do with me, a non-Indigenous person, and actually, given that Indigenous folks make up approximately 3% of the population and voting in the referendum is compulsory for all 'citizens', the 97% of non-Indigenous voices will functionally decide on whether or not Indigenous folks 'have a Voice'. Also, doesn't this imply that Indigenous folks don't have a voice/voices? Why does the settler government need to 'give/grant' them a 'Voice'? Isn't that kind of paternalistic colonia- ohhh...

It's not 'progressive' to do what you, as a white/'Western' person *thinks* is 'the right thing'; that's literally just continuation of fucking colonialism where the explicit notion is that white folks know better and are trying to 'guide or bring' others (see: 'primitive people who don't know better for themselves) on the 'right path'/'civilisation'.

Maybe actually white people stfu and sit the fuck out challenge. But no, it's too hard. You gotta put your voice out there (and probably also use it to argue/do so by arguing with me, thereby entirely proving my point).

[onelonelystory]

white people stfu challenge (impossible)