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gonna be tmi in the tags
#gave a guy head the other day so fiercly that i cut my upper lip with my inscissors#I am on prep and so is he so Im not worried about like contracting anything#but now I have to abstain until it heals which is annoying#too commited to giving good head :(#also it didnt cut cut it like rubbed raw and then split later#which is also why im not worried#apparently monkeypox is going around again tho i saw a guy on twitter covered and thats in the rumor mill#oof#maybe a good time to take a break in general#been a little too slutty as of late#juggling like 6 regulars and meeting like every day its just too much#who has the time#its cause i was giving the guy head for like 30 min
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About Shargon: What kind of compound are their horns made of? Is it the same as his teeth or skeleton? What’s the reason behind their glow? I think it’s really cool so I thought I’d ask
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Thank you for the ask!
so, alot of demon anatomy revolves around their demonic heart and its blood (which is concentrated energy/magic- the color of which is determined by their elemental type, Shargon is type lightning, which is generally a mid blue going into greenish, but there are always slight color variations even between the same types) their bones too are made of crystalized demonic blood, its coated in a black layer of depleted blood (so the substance without energy) that acts as a sort of armor and makes the bones more durable and able to withstand even alot of bending (when a demon shape shifts their bones have to decrystalize to some extent to shift into different forms and sizes, its really uncomfortable or even painful depending on how well trained they are or in stressful situations since that process is something that needs to be done right or they end up really messy and vunerable) bones are also hollow and filled with demonic blood, it also aids their flexibility and the shapeshifting process and makes sure that if one is broken its quickly healed again since the bone doesnt have to decrystalize first
teeth and claws are not hollow and lack the black layer bc it eases using magic/energy through them and makes them harder to break, unlike the bones they are as hard as possible instead of flexible; the liquid blood isnt necessary since a broken tooth or claw usually gets discarded entirely and regrown from the ground up
horns are a mix of both, they dont have a black layer but are hollow (at least partly through) and filled with an even more concentrated version of demonic blood, very similar to heartblood (only found in the heart, the most concentrated version with a similar consistency; like a thick floaty liquid) and connected to it (you could see or feel a pulse in Shargons horns) but it lacks the genetic information actual heartblood carries- horns act mainly as a sensing aid ... like antenna in a way, or how whales melons work, it aids in sensing energy nearby, navigation, limited long range communication or if an energy wave that was sent out has hit something like a living demon .. or a dead one if theres still some remaining energy left (works best between demons of the same elemental type, but isnt limited to them and also depends on how skilled or mighty a demon is- for example, Eadrya, type water but extraordinarily powerful, could sent out even a really weak energy wave and they would be able to sense if it hits Shargon while Shargon himself might just feel there was some energy, but not from who or what type) and can pick up frequencies of distress calls that have lost the hearable part
the downside to that is if a horn was to break it might actually be the most painful thing to happen to a demon, even worse so if it draws blood, its like stabbing the most sensitive nerve that goes through their head and spine and heart, depending on the severity of the injury it might be paralyzing or drive a demon temporarily mad- worse than a stabwound into the heart itself
not all demons have horns, they are a very diverse kind of creatures that are each built better for different things (Eadrya doesnt have horns, the extreme amount of energy at their disposal pretty much closes any gap horns could have made in aiding senses- an advantage being less vunerability, a downside though is easy disturbance of anything relating to those senses by other energy types or frequencies .... and a general downside to Eadryas .. overproduction of magic even, is being basically the most detectable demon in the world due to them constantly emitting energy at very high levels if they are in good health)
(since Shargon (he/they) is the main example here, hes a demon that is built for speed and flexibility, for quick strikes out of the shadows, his bones are thin and bendable, his teeth are long, sharp and angled in various ways so if he bites he can lock it down hard without escape, even if the force of his bite isnt the strongest in itself- he can turn his head fully around multiple times (like an owl but worse) and his throat is largely made of pure muscle (the most muscle on him is his throat and to the big primary arms) perfect to bite and pull and twist until whatever he bit into gives out, getting him off of something is rather impossible without doing massive damage to it in the process (unless he lets go willingly of course)
-since i compared him to Eadrya (they/them) already- they are quick but only in water, their sheer size, thick skin, bones and well, body is really hard to damage, their teeth are small and all in the same shape in two rows on both sides, their maw is really wide and their bite force is pretty strong- if they bite it is with the intent to bite clean through, if that doesnt work they would need to let go and go for it again here older art but just to give you a general idea for Eadrya (demon form):
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Thor (any pronouns) is another one that is really different- they are massive and armored with thick, hard plates, they are slow and have little mobility but are nigh impossible to take down unless you know exactly how; they dont have alot of teeth, rather small and probably not very sharp either and due to her two big tusks going forward its rather hard to actually get to anything to bite into, if she were though it would be somewhat akin to alligators (i think) that just smash their massive bones together to break whatever is in between with little to no actual 'biting' going on
(rather outdated art that i still, somehow, like- her humaoid form:
and an even MORE outdated ancient doodle of her demon form:
the only somewhat accurate part is the general shape and head, though the mouth isnt accurate anymore either ... barely anything is but something is better than nothing and the roughly lobster inspired design idea is still currently the idea)
OC lore ramble over :3
#ganondoodles answers#ganondoodles#art#original art#concept art#original characters#oc#ocs#oc lore#monsters#............unless i keept talking in the tags#another reason to why shargon is so good ... so much better at shape shifting quickly and even able to have intact mixed forms#might also be bc of his high pain tolerance- shapeshifting is or can very easily be painful#considering they have to .. liquify their bones to do it#and shargon is so used to pain his tolerance is high and he just .. does it anyway#which is probably not what the other demons expect to be the reason#... i keep worrying im making shargon really unlikable bc of all the shit hes been through#but also thats essential to his character#depressed abused and rejected from society demon with a special interest in humans and their world#i really need to study skull anatomy so i can make a better one at some point ... in the far future probably given how slow i am#forgive any weird spelling or something im not feeling well due to the migraines and am also extremely tired#...bc it takes me hours to write and draw anythign i guess#adding alt text tomorrow bc at least on tumblr you can add that later too
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the qiong ding peak disciples 100% have petty beef with lbh for stealing their favourite didi lmao
they're not gonna Actually beat him up (without Reason) but they're very emphatic about how thoroughly they WILL if lbh messes with sy. it's like a shovel talk that never ends
sy isn't actually completely oblivious to whats going on but he doesn't get why they're like this and he thinks theyre being fucking stupid (and he trusts them to not actually bully binghe) so he's elected to ignore their antics entirely
#arts#mottau#next chapter almost done so im letting these loose now#hou jingxing is standing on the Box of Dramatic Height Effect in the first image. she is actually shorter than lbh#bai yunqi does not get in on their antics but he is Watching lbh to make sure he's not Problem#lbh is not scared of these bitches he WILL fight for the right to hang out with sy if he has to#most of this (particularly for hou jingxing + li yanying) is just childish jealousy over how much sy obviously likes spending time with lbh#part of it is that having an interested alpha who they don't know hovering around the omega of their group#does clock as a Potential Threat on a purely instinctual level#but there is also a Not Insignificant portion of this (esp for bai yunqi)#which is that they met sy when he couldnt talk or walk on his own and clung to yqy like his life depended on it#its sort of left an impression on them! esp bc nowadays its very clear he wasn't like that because thats normal for him/his preference/etc#the younger two especially probably wouldnt even be able to put into words that its something that worries them but it does all the same#lbh on the other hand only met sy after he was already growing MUCH more independent#he's never known sy as anything other than how he is now. what he DOES know is that sy was the first person who ever REALLY helped him here#so he's never thought of sy as someone who needs to be sheltered or protected even though sy is a few years younger than him#and that's a HUGE part of why sy spends so much time with him
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I was thinking about how Tubbo keeps his rose in his backpack versus how he always kept his funeral flower in his offhand. I wasn't sure why he wouldn't want to keep the flower that Fred gave him in his offhand because surely that one would mean more, right?
I actually think it's a symbol of Tubbo's depression and how he hides it. When he had the funeral flower in his hand, he was sad and didn't really try to hide it. He didn't shower, he was incredibly reckless, and purposefully hurt himself multiple times. That flower was out where others could see, much like his emotions and mental state at the time.
The rose is different. The rose is hidden away and kept safe. Tubbo is seemingly better, he's "showered", started being more mindful of his actions/surroundings, and isn't purposefully hurting himself. But he's still hurting and in a poor mental state that many of the eggs have called him out for. He is still experiencing depression but it's well hidden.
Tubbo kept the funeral flower out because he felt like he had a reason to display his mental state. he figured that if anyone asked and saw how badly he was doing, he had a reason to feel the way he did.
On the other hand, Tubbo doesn't really have a reason to keep feeling like he does after Fred returns. Fred isn't dead, so what is there to be upset about? He hides the rose. He doesn't want people to ask because he doesn't have a reason (in his mind) to still feel the way he does.
Both flowers directly represent how he handles and shows his mental health to others on the island. The funeral flower was out for everyone to see and the rose is only known to exist by a select few people.
#the only ones im aware know about the rose are fit the fed workers that saved him and sunny#versus the fact that literally everyone knew he had the other flower and no one really questioned why he had it#he also panicked when he lost the funeral flower which can be read as him worried that his mental state and feelings are out of his control#he was also afraid of others taking it and not getting it back#qsmp tubbo#qsmp#tubbo#frubbo#qsmp fred#meta analysis#maybe? im just chatting shit but it makes sense in my head
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arl eamons worst nightmare
#who would win. years of child neglect done by arl eamon#or alistair and his new lover who goes 'why would you be king you literally couldn't handle leading this group which is why i do it'#<- the most reassuring thing he's heard in years#unsure if she'll still romance ali but im defo still digging it#the thing after reviving her after (checks notes) 2 years is that i've gotten better at immersing myself in characters#so they'll definitely still be close friends (which is also really good) but who knows if they'll kiss. shes got other things to worry abt#my art#dragon age#dao#oc: velka brosca#alistair theirin#drew the armour from memory so if it isnt good so be it
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I JUST FUCKING MET DAVID TENNANT
#and he signed my program GODD#i was a bit worried I wouldn’t be able to get to the front bc im a small and sort of timid kind of guy and there was a massive crowd#but this really nice girl at the front helped me get through to stand next to her which was ??? so nice#I didn’t ask her to help I think she just saw my nervous aura and stepped in#anyway he was so cool and nice and the show was amazing#seeing him as macbeth…… GODD#also the lighting and sound design were so sick I can’t even begin to explain how good it was#I will never get over this#oh also one of the cast members just gave me a program for free like I was talking to him and he was like hey do you want a program i have#a spare#i guess it’s be nice to park day idk why everyone was being so kind to me
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after reading book 1 of svsss i'm imagining some bits and pieces of it into tgcf, like xie lian having qi deviation because of the shackles in a similar way as the poison without a cure (i think it'd be really neat if they also disrupted his meridians and caused qi fluctuations instead of only blocking his powers), but also the specific detail of xie lian having to wear a veil like liu mingyan because he's just too beautiful, giving it extra significance that his mask fell off during the god-pleasing parade and hua cheng saw his face so up-close (besides that, it plays into xie lian not feeling seen).
also, xie lian trying to figure out whether hua cheng has a harem/getting jealous, because surely such a great and powerful ghost king must have a great and extraordinary collection of beauties at his beck and call? (he doesn't)
#idk just some ideas that i had#im a little sad that tgcf doesnt go as deeply into the qi/spiritual energy aspect of cultivation#like in svsss im learning all about qi and meridians and deviations and all that which is SUCH a good source for whump#but i get it ofc. tgcf isnt really a cultivation novel its very secondary#but ive fallen in love with qi fluctuation whump its the BEST#qi suddenly giving out. qi *backfiring*. its like my birthday come early#also ALSO hua cheng being worried that xie lian has a harem#cus why else are all these beautiful strong men following him around? always getting into his business?#anyway#svsss#tgcf#heaven official's blessing#scum villans self saving system#xie lian#hualian#hua cheng
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okay .. take two !!!
+ bonus doodles
#i !!!! like this design a lot more#kinda worried abt the cloak …. but !!!#what do we think ………..#oh. wait. also#-> tried to combine the v shape and the cloak#figured out how to incorporate the bottom half wing like design#they have tails !!! they like to sometimes pretend it’s like a bird#(loop running around bc swish swish flowy) (bats their eyelash) am i not the prettiest bird youve ever seen#also while the leg straps for knife was cool#i feel they. while it wouldd be easier to maybe access#anyone could take it !!! the way it was !!!!#into the holster and belt you go#OH and and#the little chains and pendants dangling from the belt ?? those are like keychains from all the things that remind them of their journeys#OH and they’re wearing. kind of leggings ??? for better agility#im trying not to overdo everything. so that it’s not so cluttered#but that. also Is this point. as fun as this outfit is most of it is just loop taking clothing items they first see and running off#“okay rogue time. i can do rogue.” tthey are a mess <3#they’re kinda in that stage of. between siffrin and figuring out who They are now after all of that. clinging slightly while also changing#(they absolutely did steal those little pins from sif btw <3) they thought it would be funny to see how long it took for him to notice. and#then it just stuck.#“why is loop okay with the cloak now?” bc !!! its not a one to one. and also. sif here found loop at possibly the worst spiral ever#it Would have brought equal comfort as it did discomfort if they wore both the hat and cloak then. and (their words) it would be much easier#to tell which siffrin was who !!!!!!!!!!#agh .. okay#lantern’s art corner#isat spoilers#isat
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✦Volcarona/Tsareena✦
✦Diancie/Solgaleo✦
✦Yvetal/Gardevoir✦
#pokemon fusion#yvetal#gardevoir#volcarona#tsareena#diancie#these arent even for if anymore im just having fun at this potin KJFHSKJDHFSJD#dont worry abt why two of them r in more or less the same pose i was feeling uncreative#in all seriousness i did yvetal first#got to tsareena#tried literally every pose under the sun#could not get them to work w its weird legs. theyre lowkey very hard to work with#ended up w this#anyways i wanna keep doing some big ones theyre so nice to do#also its cool to work without the constraints of which mons r in IF
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sir????? Wdym me aren't even at the climax of Kid Leo yet???? How far ahead did you plan???? Hats off to you man, I could not.
Oh I've planned it to the end, plus a bit more, and then I ended up rewriting the ending just recently :D
I don't like fully committing to an au or a fic or anything without a full plot/idea cause then I won't finish it :3 I actually did go into Kid Leo without that originally but then it got big enough I wanted to be able to finish it one day! So an actual plot happened!
Also yeah we're still about halfway through, even with all the cuts I've made, but not quite to the climax yet!
#asks#kid leo asks#this is why its taking me a bit longer to work on L330-N or Lil Hater or the Rural ay#they do techncally have complete plits#but im having trouble with some of the endings and middle bits#esp with L330-N#i have two endings i really like :/#as for Kid Leo i recently rewrote a big big chunk of it which filled in some plot holes#i was kinda worried the next couple arcs were too boring and realized that i actually dont have to do those arcs anymore?#if that makes sense#im still working on it!#mostly just typing it up from my notes :3#also the reason tmnt:hme hasnt really happened is cause it has no linear plot#it was just a mishmash of ideas from my childhood :D#sooooo yeah
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I wanted to say that outside of semantics and divisions - I am simply happy to find communities that welcome with kindness - that welcome you by a good heart and not the ability to conform. I am happy for the opportunity to be surrounded by people who care. It's a funny world we live in - making the same mistakes over and over, multiplying the same suffering by billions. I don't think I hope for an utopia anymore, I don't think such a thing exists - but you can't call me hopeless either. And that's what matters.
As a side note - this piece is set in DanceAU, which might be better known to Patrons so far, but still it was the best and most fitting option for this occasion..... also there are 12 DanceAU pieces incoming, because I might be making another calendar so. get familiar with these mutts
#klance#voltron legendary defender#klance fanart#priDEMONth#you know there is always so much happening idk what to add in the tags#i made banana bread yesterday and almost burned the kitchen (right after i asked myself how bad can it be?) i am not kidding#and then burned my arm twice trying to avoid a burn which is top ten ways to get them#its okay tho it doesnt hurt anymore#there was also my nameday which I forgot about and had a headache thorough#also when i was drawing i was considering that lance is maybe a bit too tall on this piece#he IS taller but bending like that with keith standing straight?#i mean gay?#idk about that#but i decided not to worry danceau always has heels for that#i also have been so deep in wirting hex if you dont know whats hex dw you shouldnt#but i have this love hate relationship with it everyone knows it its a sinusoid#im on my happy phase with it lately#no one jinx it it better last#all i wanted was bamf rescues and cliche tropes and now im trying to do them justice in 200 thousand words or less idk why#they could have been just fighting demons and cuddling#either way happy pride once again!!
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do you think there's a significant difference between the league of assassins in dc and the hand in marvel?
I am a bizarre person to ask about this, considering how I'm extremely not a comics expert at all. I'm aware that the answer can't be JUST 'no, because of orientalism'. They are definitely from the same wellspring of orientalist Mystic Evil Ninja Tribe. But actually yes there are pretty significant differences.
They're both Mystical Supernatural Ninja Groups, but the League's only strongly supernatural basis is the Lazarus Pits. They live in a remote area in a remote country, which is frequently where people train and live in seclusion. Ra's does have World Domination TM goals, so they definitely get involved in some good old fashioned Terrorisms, but as a general rule they aren't involved in day to day world stuff. Ra's is also the completely unquestioned leader and the al Ghuls are really the only significant characters to ever come out of the League. They also tend to kinda mind their own business as a whole and don't get involved in a lot of non-Batman storylines, and most of their storylines even with Batman are because the al Ghuls are obsessed with Batman as a guy.
The Hand is much closer to a yakuza or organized crime ring. They are much more solidly Japanese than the League of Assassin's stronger Middle Eastern influences. They are ALSO devil worshippers, but they just get much more involved in worldly stuff. Like the Nazis I think. They got really involved with the Kingpin and do more supervillain shit. Like half a dozen superheroes are constantly getting involved with them all the time, although they are very much regularly Daredevil's problem.
#the hand never stands out to me in stories i feel like theyre generic#the league of assassins has less stories but they tend to be stronger bc of how personal the stakes normally are for batman#anyway im not a comics expert so unsure why you asked this. i mean i did know the answer but.#my asks#also if im wrong. dont worry about it.#league reminds me more of the cultivation wuxia sects than the hand which might be why i like it more
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I think someone should study the fact that all of the moral issues people have with coleen hoover are just the modern day version of "this erotic literature will corrupt our pure women!"
#she literally. she literally writes modern day bodice ripper romances. y'all grandmas#consumed that shit as if tomorrow wouldnt come#hell i myself think that her writing sucks but. im not gonna raise a rabble or go on a moral crusade with 'oh i am so worried for the young#girls who might read this and think abuse is ok!' which is just. so incredibly stupid#and is one of the instances where people will literally blame anything but the abuser themselves in a DV situation#(and like doesnt account on how girls can and do know how to differentiate fiction from reality#me reading smutty bully harry stiles fics at twelve with dubious consent didnt lead to my grooming#because i *knew* that an asshole beating you up at school and then saying no i love u now was wrong and abusers#are way more insidious than that#there are also people going 'oh but her being widespread is the reason why media literacy is so low' baby it doesnt work like that#the booktoker saying she cant read stories that are too complicated wouldntve been miracolously a good reader if coho didnt exist#she wouldve just read. harry potter or other YAs. media literacy and reading comprehension are tools that can be sharpened#but aren't really *gainable* yknow unless they are put into you really young thru school and we all know school doesnt do that#also comment i found funny was someone going 'teens who read coho will grow up saying that wuthering heights is a love story'#<-da hell is that thang. whuhei is 100% a love story all the players being assholes doesnt mean it isnt a romance
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every day im reminded that though my parents may have wanted a dog they clearly did not want to take care of a dog
#and i KNEW this which was why i insisted on not getting dogs though they keep trying to gaslight me#into thinking that i agreed on the dogs. i didnt and i wish id railed against it harder#because ill be honest i knew i didnt want to take care of a dog i wasnt in the headspace#but i also knew that if they got the dog that the actual caring duties would be foisted off to me#and the things that They would have to do ie go to the vet nd pay the bills etc theyd complain about and avoid#and thats one thjng. but oh my fucking god. my dad specifically#its like hes trying to get these dogs to die. we have several plants in the backyard#bad for dogs. i point them out. i have pointed them out Several times.#theyre his plants the gardens his thats none of my things. he just goes oh they wont get into them#THEYRE DOGS. but he doesnt want to move his fucking plants#one of the dogs is on medicine but has a habit of not eating his food in the morning#which means if u leave his medicine in hjs bowl the other dog might eat it#one solution is to give him the tablet straight. because hes good about eating it#he doesnt want to because 'thats gross'. Are you five fucking years old#the dog doesnt like the texture of dry food so another solution is to wet it#dad wont do that either because 'hes too spoiled' and 'it takes time' ONE MINUTE?????????#like i have to assume this is some kind of ploy to make me do it instead when i dont wake up that early#because if its not then hes truly just incompetent or doesnt care about the dogs#which brings me back to WHY DID YOU GET THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.#im sick of having to worry about them when he just does shit like this its wasting my time and its wasting money#but ohhhh we dont want to give the dogs away theyre part of the family 🥺#CLEARLY. because apparently u wanted kids but didnt want to take care of them either!!#im pissed off!!! im tired!!!!!!!!#i need to know im not going batshit here for being pissed off!!!!!#the dogs are getting back to back problems and at least some of it would have been mitigated by oh.#i dont know. the bare minimum?????#at least if the plants had been taken care of i wouldnt have to wonder if theyd just gotten into them#or if its an actual problem like a mass or bite. but no now i dont know#and at this rate were going to waste money going to the vet every fucking week
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CAERU IS DOING WHAT
Oh, you didn't know?
Caeru's actual purpose as an alt account is to Seek The Name!! AKA the infamous Fallen London storyline that permanently and irrecoverably bricks your account forever upon completion!!!!
It's a whole thing.
He's 2/7 candles into it and everything :)
#he'll be getting his third candle this upcoming january#after that is off to The Torment Nexus (winking isle)#after which i'll probably get all of the remaining candles in one horrifying swoop#and then. well.#there's only one direction to go after that :)#ask#fallen london#but yeah. the whole reason he's called The Doomed Scientist is because he's a dedicated seeking character#he's Literally doomed and destined to die and whatnot#theoretically. if i actually go through with it. im still deciding whether or not i want to#this is also the reason why he's married to the scoundrel for the record. not in-universe why but like#on a meta front#i just think my anarchist seeker being married to my loyalist mr cards is a really really funny combination of guys#dont worry. if he actually goes through with it and Dies Permanently™ the scoundrel will literally never be the same#they'll be emotionally wrecked beyond repair#it'll be great :)
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The unmistakable sound of footsteps approaching begins to fill the air. Whoever is coming seems to have brought some company along…
They are getting closer… and closer… and closer…
…and closer…
……until..................
"Goooooood evenin'!!" Comes the loud greeting from a certain blond man. A big smile on his face and all.
"We beg your pardon for our prolonged absence. It was completely beyond our control..." Then adds the gentleman standing by his side, apologizing on behalf of both, offering a genuine smile along with the apology.
"...BUT! We're back!" And hopefully for good this time…
#[HI HIIIIIII~~ HOW'S EVERYONE DOING?? 8)]#[IDK IF ANYONE REMEMBERS ME OR MY MUSES ANYMORE?? BUT HELLOOO]#[one million years later but we're backkkkkk]#[i'd like to start by apologizing for completely disappearing for months without any announcement]#[life has been far from kind all this year so far and this has greatly and negatively impacted me emotionally]#[like..very VERY badly (harmful stuff and etc)]#[all to a point where i've had to take some time off from most social media]#[and which is also why i haven't checked or replied to any messages anywhere in a while]#[not that i'm the most social and most active person ever but you get what i mean here ;v;]#[the original plan was to come back here like a month or so ago but as you can guess i was unable to due to the same irl issues]#[i'm not gonna lie i'm still not doing well]#[but i wanted to come back or at least try to]#[since writing for these two and the ogre street guys always brings me joy and i also missed everyone here!]#[i'm still unsure if dropping threads will be the way to go for now or not#because i have no idea if my partners are still interested in any threads we had prior my unannounced hiatus]#[or if anyone's still interested in interacting with me and my muses again ;v;]#[so if we have ongoing threads i'll likely be jumping into your IMs over the course of the days to ask about it]#[i just need to check my thread tracker first because i can't remember what i owed last time ;;;;;;]#[as always: we can start new stuff any time in case you're no longer feeling whatever threads we had]#[and we can also start from scratch if that's best too]#[so no worries there!]#[enough blablah from me for now]#[i missed you all so much!]#[and to the new followers this blog somehow earned in my absence: Hi!! Thank you for following and I hope we can interact soon!!]#[hope everyone has been doing great during my absence!! <3]#;speedwagon says (( ic ))#;jonathan says (( ic ))#;ic#(??#;speedwagon withdraws coolly
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