#we love to hate jimmy

[melittosphex]

Guilt pt.1

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

Happy Halloween! 🧼🥩🎃

[noperopesaredope]

Me: Ooooo, I wonder what this "Mouthwashing" thing is that everyone's been obsessed with lately. I should check some of it out.

Me, 30 minutes later: I would kill myself for you, Anya.

[dykedvonte]

I was rewatching mouthwashing, and I ended up thinking of the different reactions that Curly and Jimmy had in doing their tasks. How during the scene of Anya evaluating Jimmy and showing dread towards the idea of doing his evaluation, Curly was the one that offered to take it off her hands. He had no issue with adding more to his plate, because he knew - or well, thought, he knew that Jimmy wasn't going to "bullshit" with him since he's known him for a long time. When Anya hands Curly a note from Swansea, Curly goes to check out what the issue is and he takes care of it without a complaint, the only "complaint" he has is how this incident could have damaged the pods. Which is reasonable, those pods are their only way to be saved if anything tragic happens on the ship. However, in comparison to Jimmy being asked to do things, he's passive-aggressive about it. When Anya asks Jimmy if he could help her out with Curly's painkillers, he tells her that people should be worth their titles, specifically using her title as a nurse when she asked him for help and then when she says forget it, since he made her feel insecure, he still goes "Oh no, I'LL take care of it" as if he was doing a chore, a favor for her. Then, there's that part where he blows up at her for things that she didn't even ask him to do - more so the others asked him about it, like the code scanner, him deciding he needed to find the axe for the foam, and then, there's the medicine part (which when she does ask, and she reconsiders - going to do it herself, he takes that away from her). Jimmy complains about the tasks he has to do and he treats it like a big issue, a "woes me" that he has to do this and that - wanting the praise of the capital without actually doing any work. While Curly doesn't complain about it, in fact, he even mentions that he's aware of how well he is doing at his job as a Captain during that cockpit scene with him and Jimmy. If Jimmy only had to do a small amount of tasks to get irritated and annoyed at being captain, while Curly didn't which I feel like encapsulates their personalities. Curly understands what he's doing is a job, it's a responsibility, why would he complain at any point for doing what he's suppose too? Why would he be upset at people asking him to do tasks? While Jimmy on the other hand, isn't used to it at all and it's different to what he's had before and he's realizing that he doesn't actually like doing the work he has too. I just wanted to ramble about it even if it seemed kind of obvious xd

It’s obvious but it is a thing people miss or understate when trying to find parallels in Curly’s and Jimmy’s relationship/personalities.

Like the way people portray it as neither taking responsibility when it is almost split down the middle of Curly taking responsibilities and faults that shouldn’t be his and making himself unequipped to handle the ones that are while Jimmy refuses to handle the responsibilities he has because he wasn’t expecting the work that comes with them.

Not a lot to say but people forget that another thing the game comments on is prioritization of issues and responsibilities and how the guys fail at it in one way or another in the situation.

[sanasanakun]

I get why JimCurly is popular cause hot yaoi and Jimmy is the MC but it's annoying how Curlya gets villainized as some ungodly immoral ship when JimCurly is far worse in terms of morality. In my opinion, Anya and Curly have the most interesting connection/relationship in the story. There's so much potential for depth, angst, understanding, resentment (on both sides), healing, etc. between them. Easily my favorite duo in the game to study with my microscope lol

[imactuallyanyaanddaisuke]

my most recent artwork of Anya (I think I cooked give me feedback pls.)

[dipnchipsblip]

been getting into mouthwashing lately 😔

[bookworm-2692]

Life Tracker updated for Episode 7! This one is much quicker than Episode 6 on account of not being on holiday at the time, even though there were two thirds more deaths this time. Previous posts: Session 6, Session 5, Session 4. Also Session 8 (finale) post!

As usual, close ups and commentary below the cut. I’ve also added another graph for the average time of each team, which will also be below the cut.

There was so much carnage! 45 whole deaths in a single session! Not all deaths were awarded time during the session, but Scott’s video advised that it would be added by next session, so I have taken the liberty to add all the time as I see fit, hence why Scott is back to 7.5 hours. I haven’t seen every episode yet (in fact, other than Scott, I’ve only seen those that have perma-died), so I’m not sure if anyone else’s time is a mismatch, but if so I’m happy to explain where I’m getting my time additions and subtractions from!

Now for some close ups.

First, there was enough chaos that I decided to take a close up of Session 6 and 7 together so we can properly appreciate it:

And a close up of Session 7 by itself:

So many people lost major time, so it’s interesting to see Scott’s uptick of time at the end - he ended on only 30 minutes less than he would have been if he hadn’t died at all this session. Pearl didn’t die at all, and got the kill credit for Martyn blowing himself up in a trap, so she actually ended the session 30 minutes better than she started it. Grian also did very well for himself - he killed and died so many times, but somehow ended on the exact time he would have been on if he had experienced a peaceful deathless session.

BigB, Cleo, and Martyn all ended the session 1 hour poorer than they started, and Bdubs and Scar ended 1.5 hours below where they would have been. Nosy Neighbours are thus doing super well, with Mean Gills and Clockers not too far behind, in terms of maintaining position from the start of the session.

TIES had an awful time this session, with Impulse and Tango both losing a net 2 hours, and Etho and Skizz losing a net 2.5 hours - and obviously Skizz entirely died.

Joel possibly had the worst time, losing a net 3.5 hours this session - though it didn’t help that 5 of his 7 deaths were all caused by the one person. Technically Jimmy didn’t do too badly, given he only lost a net 1.5 hours... but given that he was out of the series only an hour into the session, and also the first out entirely... it really didn’t go well for him either

I also find it interesting the sheer number of vertical lines this graph, the ones representing a death immediately followed by a kill or vice versa. I would love to figure out a way to show only one line at a time on the graph, so we can more easily see someone’s journey, but I haven’t had time to look into it yet.

Now onto the graph of the average times per team.

This one is super interesting to me, especially TIES’s line - they had the lowest average life right from the start, but somehow by Session 4, through Session 5, and for most of Session 6, they were the team with the highest average time, and then it quite literally went downhill from there. The only thing saving them from being last now is the fact that the Bad Boys are down to only a single living player, and even then Grian is doing far better than most of TIES.

It’s also interesting to me how Mean Gills had a significant time uptick at the end of both Session 6 and Session 7 (the first due to Martyn and the second due to Scott). Scott’s time was so high that it kept Mean Gills’ average time as yellow for all of Session 6 despite Martyn being red for most of it... and Martyn then got enough kills to keep it there. Mean Gills is also the only team in the entire graph to anywhere gain such consistent significant time.

These averages also coincide with the comments I made above about the time offset difference for each player from the start to end of the session. Mean Gills are doing well, but they’ve been doing well for so long that I’m sure most players are aware that they need to be a target. Nosy Neighbours are also doing well but I feel like they’ve flown under the radar, and are not a significant target right now.

Here is a close up of this graph with Sessions 1-4:

And the close up for Session 5-7:

And the Session 7 only close up:

I kept the dead players in the teams’ averages, since I think it is a better reflection of the teams’ strength as a whole, but I also created a version that excluded dead players. In those screenshots you can really see Bad Boys’ and TIES’ time jumping up at a death, instead of falling as it did here.

Here are the alternate averages graph:

And close ups:

This makes Bad Boys look a lot better, because Grian does have a lot of time... but he is also alone. And there is definitely strength in numbers. Two players at an hour and a half each can fend off an attacker more easily than a single player at three hours can... unless nerves and panic get to them, as we definitely saw this session.

Wow and I almost forgot to include the raw data for this session!

The first hour of the session:

The second hour of the session:

There is just so much death! Look at all the box outlines!! I could barely fit this data on two screens on the zoom I was on, and I did not want to zoom out further.

I also obviously have data for the averages, but it was too far away from the column with the times on it that I wasn’t sure if it would still be useful on its own? Let me know if you want to see it!

This has once again been fascinating to see, and I cannot wait to see how Session 8 will go. Will it be the last session? Will they go until everyone is dead? Will they somehow have enough people with enough time to get to Session 9? Will Mean Gills be the final two and get to play fun relaxing games like Scott was suggesting? 

Only time will tell.

[arttsuka]

Shoutout to terrible fictional characters that take the fall for the story to be a good one. I see you.

[ninjagirlstar5]

Now that I've completed Mouthwashing and I saw you sharing some posts about it, I have this to share:

Jimmy: I mean, four female Ghostbusters?! The feminists are taking over!

🎵 I'm an a-dult vir-gin! 🎵

Congratulations on completing Mouthwashing! It's such a good game and oh my God, he would-

I hate Jimmy...So Much. He's the kind of character you want to shoot on sight and I commend the writers for making him such an awful person and not justifying ANY of his actions. Like, the more the story goes on, the more you learn about him, and the more you witness the actions he takes and the consequences of what he's done, the more you hate him.

And I feel so bad for everyone in the crew as they all end up suffering because of Jimmy's actions. Just...augh. What the fuck.

Anyways. Since we're sharing Mouthwashing stuff:

Someone shared this in a Discord server I'm in, and it's my favorite edit for this game. It's so good and I've been replaying the song a lot the last few days.

[akiiairhead]

Mouthwash represents the most absurd form of alcohol, but contains it nonetheless.

The mouthwash kills 99.9 percent of bacteria but there’s still 0.1 it fails to kill.

This probably reflects how Curly did all his duties as captain (99.9%), yet he fails to get rid of the 0.1% left (J. Diddy).

This leads to many problems and we see how it turns out.

Please point and laugh :)

[the-somwthing]

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[rnaeborowski]

ugh i have so many thoughts rn

[scotting4geggstones]

STOP POSTING ABOUT MOUTHWASHING! I'M TIRED OF SEEING IT! MY FRIENDS ON TIKTOK SEND ME MEMES, ON DISCORD IT'S FUCKING MEMES! I was in a server, right? and ALL OF THE CHANNELS were just Mouthwashing stuff. I-I showed a mouthwash bottle to my friend and started dancing with it and I said "hey jimbo HAHA DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DI DI DING" I fucking looked at a blonde guy with blue eyes and said "CAPTAIN CURLY" I looked at a toy horse and I go "POLLE SAYS:" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHGESFG

[dykedvonte]

So I've been turning over this detail of the game over and over and I think I've found a good reason and wanted to share. During the guilt sequence, when Jimmy enters the ID hallway his ID covers up both Anya's and Curly's.

And for a long time I've always wondered why those two in particular. And I think the reason why is because even at this point of the game he's still dehumanizing them and ignoring who they really are as people.

During the entire guilt sequence he never acknowledges Anya and the pain he caused her by the rape and forceful impregnation to her, instead only focusing on the fetus and how it would ruin HIM. And even his subconscious that's calling him out for Anya has to take on the form of Polle, and he still refuses to even reference her.

And even though he apologizes to Curly, it's really only for taking away his role as captain. He's not sorry for causing the crash that made Curly in perpetual horrific pain, for abusing him before the crash, or for even the cannibalism. And as you pointed out, throughout the entire guilt sequences he's had of Curly it's only in his post-crash state. Also throughout each guilt sequence with Curly he still imagines Curly as his perfect victim friend who would gladly take on the role of a villain for Jimmy to be a hero.

The ID hallway shows the players that even when he feels guilty he still refuses to see who they really are. Throughout the game he steals from both Anya and Curly their bodies and their voices, and this scene is symbolic of that. Even when he's feeling guilty, Jimmy is still doing just that to them.

ITS LITERALLY ALL THIS.

My biggest gripe with any interpretation of Jimmy and his abuse of Anya and Curly is that he actually respected Curly more. He didn’t even care enough to see the person he was before the crash in his moment of penitence. He couldn’t even give him a name in the end. Curly was always a space for him to take, to project his worst qualities onto. Anya became that space due to the position of power Curly specifically had, he’s his boss and he can’t just do whatever, hence why his actions were always behind Curly’s back. The tragedy of this is that he realized how much power he had over Anya, his subordinate, practically the same in the societal pecking order outside of this one instance. An opportunistic chance for him, similar to how he exerts physical power over a post-crash Curly.

He sees Anya as a nuisance, a thing he can’t get out of the recesses of his mind but he still sees her, in a fucked up way, she’s his dead pixel. Something that slowly destroys the perception of his screen the longer he ignores it until it goes black. But Curly? He’s an escape, he’s not anything real because the Curly in Jimmy’s head is also not a person but a place holder for him specifically. He wants to be that man and his only true regret is the destroying the thing he wanted to be and thus making that role inaccessible to him.

[l0ser-nicolaz]

i HATE them