#vs Jensen was just doing all THAT because.

[cas-poisoning]

Basically chemistry between the actors or the writing.

Chicken and egg. I don’t know if you can separate them. I feel like technically you can claim the chemistry came first, as Cas was originally only supposed to be in like three episodes, and the strong chemistry between Jensen and Misha definitely played a role in the decision to keep him, as Cas was very well received by audiences.

That being said, regardless of their chemistry, I feel like the writing itself set the foundation. Like oh yes, look at how they look at each other!! Sure. But when you think about season 4’s narrative structure for Castiel especially, it was always romantically coded imo. Jensen and Misha could have had as much chemistry as two brick walls, and there would still be something very powerful behind the idea of Castiel falling from heaven for Dean. Even though Dean was obviously not his only motivation (sometimes I feel like people reduce Castiel’s whole character arc to just Dean…) Dean was the catalyst and it was Dean that triggered all these feelings and desires in him. Even if it’s not explicitly romantic, it’s still incredibly coded that way. Like a classic betray/rebel against/run away from your family for love type of story.

Now that I think about it, I feel like the chemistry came first in terms of destiel on Dean’s behalf, but the writing came first in terms of Destiel on Castiel’s behalf. Castiel’s story was always romantic. It’s fundamental to the narrative. The idea of breaking free from everything you’ve ever known because one person has caused you to feel SO MUCH it has changed your whole life. I don’t think Dean’s narrative is as fundamentally romantic, but Jensen’s acting is what added a lot of subtext in those early seasons. The way he looks at Cas, delivers lines, etc. until eventually the writing itself became much more intereptably romantic

This poll is for Destiel shippers and sympathizers. No hate towards Destiel or Cockles.

*By "Cockles" I don't necessarily mean the ship. The question is more "Which came first: the chemistry between the characters or the chemistry between the actors?"

[piptoost]

Spoilers ig for season 8 because, like me, I know there are still some people watching the show a little late 😌

CAN I RANT because I feel like season 8 is such a weird season. Like genuinely what actually happens in season 8 other than the weird thing between Dean and Benny (my beloved by the way! the man is incapable of doing wrong I love him)??? AND besides the fact that Sam did the exact same thing Dean did when Sam got put in the cage (not saying Sam's in the right, but I'll elaborate on that in a second), ran over a dog, and met a girl that he fell in love with.

Now listen. Yeah, Sam's in the wrong, but so is Dean! When Sam was in Hell, did Dean go looking for him? Nuh uhhhhhh bitchhhh. Not only that, but Sam tried to pursue a normal, 'apple pie' life when Dean was in Purgatory. Dean tried to pursue a normal, 'apple pie' life when Sam was in Hell. And yeah sure, maybe Sam could have cracked down on Kevin's location and helped him out a bit more. But Dean could have also tried to look for a way to get Sam out of Hell. Buttttt guess why he didn't? Because they had that promise that they wouldn't go looking for the other if he died, which Sam presumed he did.

And again, Sam's in the wrong for presuming that Dean was dead, giving up on Kevin, and starting a new life. He abandoned that notion years ago. That much is obvious. Yes, it's one thing to want a break and pursue it, but it's another when lives are at stake. BUT THE LEAST DEAN COULD DO WAS GIVE HIS BROTHER SOME GRACE because, AGAIN, Dean could have tried to look for a way to get Sam out of Hell without damaging him or his soul OR letting Lucifer out etc.

Anyway, for my first rewatch, I remember that I have free will and can skip season 8 but there IS still lore in season 8 so I can't 😔 besides, I need some Benny moments I miss him dearly, and ignoring everything about how out of character it was for Sam to hit that dog and fall in love with what's-her-face, it was a sweet moment and I kinda liked watching it play out. OH that brings me to ANOTHER little notion. It's one thing to call Sam out on his bullshit. But he was trying. He really was. And so it's a completely different thing when Dean decides to fucking fake text Sam as the lady just to make him see that she was happy without him. Like okay I get the sentiment, but that's fucked up. Because Sam did try. And he was trying to make up for the mistakes he made throughout the year Dean was gone. But the motherfucker just had to add something extra into that pot.

haha Dean is cool but sometimes I really hate his guts.

[eisforeidolon]

MISHA IS SUPERNATURAL BIGGEST MISTAKE.

CASTIEL COULD HAVE BEEN AN INTERESTING CHARACTER, IF HE HAD BEEN PLAYED BY A TALENTED AND PROFESSIONAL ACTOR. ESPECIALLY PROFESSIONAL AND SERIOUS.

WE DON'T DESERVE MISHA'S LIES AND QUEERBAITING.

BUT I THINK THAT MISHA ONLY TALENTS ARE LYING TO PEOPLE AND QUEERBAITING HIS DESTIEL FANS FOR MONEY. THIS ARE THE ONLY THINGS HE KNOWS HOW TO DO.

DESTIEL ISN'T CANON. JENSEN SAID THAT SO MANY TIMES.

HE EVEN SAID THAT WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT "THE CONFESSION 'S RESOLUTION".

HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NOTHING TO BE RESOLVED. BECAUSE EVEN IF THE "CONFESSION " WAS ROMANTIC, FOR DEAN NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.

DEAN ISN'T IN LOVE WITH CASTIEL. HE ADDRESSES CASTIEL AS DEAN 'S FRIEND AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO HIM. BUT THAT'S IT.

JENSEN NEVER ADDRESSES CASTIEL AS DEAN'S POTENTIAL LOVE INTEREST.

JENSEN (AND JARED) SAID MANY TIMES THAT SUPERNATURAL IS ABOUT SAM AND DEAN AND THEIR DEEP BOND AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

15X20 IS THE PROOF OF THAT LOVE. WINCEST IS MORE CANON THAN DESTIEL WILL EVER BE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT PLATONIC LOVE OF COURSE.

I SHIP WINCEST BUT UNLIKE THE HELLERS I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS CANON AND WHAT IS JUST A FANTASY.

15x20 SHOWS TO THE VIEWER THE ESSENCE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SAM AND DEAN.

SPOILER FOR 15X20.

SPOILER FOR 15X20

SPOLER FOR 15X20

DEAN DIES, BUT EVEN IN HIS LAST MOMENTS HE COMMITS HIMSELF TO ONLY LOVE SAM. HE SAYS HE LOVES HIM AND THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THEM TOGETHER AGAINST THE WORLD.

" IT'ALWAYS BEEN YOU... AND ME". THAT'S WHAT DEAN SAYS.

THE PAUSE IN THAT PHRASE, THE WAY THEY EMBRACE, THE FOREHEAD TOUCH. EVERYTHING IN THE SCENE IS POINTING TO WHO IS WATCHING THAT DEAN GREATEST LOVE IS SAM.

THIS IS A CONFESSION. PLATONIC AND SO BEAUTIFUL. BETTER THAN ANY OTHER "ROMANTIC" CONFESSION THAT I EVER SEEN OR I EVER HEARD.

END SPOILER FOR 15X20.

OF COUSE DEAN IS ALSO SAM GREATEST LOVE, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE MY ATTENTION TO DEAN 'S BEHAVIOUR TOWARDS SAM VS DEAN BEHAVIOUR TOWARD CASTIEL IN THEIR LAST SCENE TOGETHER. THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO.

WE ALL KNOW THAT SUPERNATURAL WAS ALWAYS ABOUT SAM AND DEAN AND THAT A LOVE STORY CAN BE ABOUT TWO BROTHER WHO SAVED EACH OTHER AND FOUGHT MONSTERS, EVIL CREATURES, DEMONS, ANGELS, THE DEVIL AND GOD FOR STAYING WITH EACH OTHER.

OF COURSE WE CANNOT SAY SAM AND DEAN WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT JARED AND JENSEN. THEIR ACTING, THEIR CHEMISTRY INSIDE THE SHOW AND OUTSIDE TOO, THEIR KINDNESS, IS WHAT MAKES SUPERNATURAL A SHOW THAT CHANGED MY LIFE.

I ALWAYS GET EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS SHOW. THAT'S WHY I CAN'T STAND PEOPLE LIKE MISHA WHO ALWAYS SAYS SHIT ABOUT THE SHOW AND THE ACTORS ( JARED AND JENSEN)

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY RANT, SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH, IT ISN'T MY FIRST LANGUAGE, AND I HOPE THAT I DIDN'T ANNOY YOU OR BOTHERED YOU.

MAY LOVE AND KINDNESS ALWAYS FIND YOU.

I have to agree. Also, your English is fine and I definitely understand the need to rant about all this nonsense sometimes, that's why I've got this blog! <3

I do actually feel like Misha was a perfectly serviceable actor way back at the beginning. I even get why they decided to keep him around when he proved popular with the fandom. It was indeed proven a mistake in so, so many ways as time went on, though.

Yeah, first and most egregious is the kind of person Misha turned out to be - or at least turned into after so many years of fans blowing smoke up his ass. A bitter, entitled, ungrateful, lazy backstabber who is perfectly comfortable telling blatantly obvious and contradictory self-serving lies and nonsense. Whether that's about the ship or his relative importance to the show directly, whether that's skeevy sexual comments about Jensen/Dean, whether that's trying to paint Jared as some kind of evil bully that abused him. He keeps proving again and again there is no bar he won't limbo under.

Next is I think his performance on the show and what his continued presence on the show resulted in plot-wise from the writers. He was fine at first when he was just playing a non-human mysterious figure that only appeared now and then and had a major role in the whole structure of the apocalypse. He even had a pretty good arc leading up to the Leviathans. The problem was they kept him around as a "fan favorite" after that when they really didn't have anything for him to do but eat up screen time to give J2 time off. Would we have really gotten so much bad, circular angel politics if there wasn't a need to give Castiel something to do to keep Misha employed? I personally doubt it. Even worse than that, though? As time went on, Misha seemed to recognize that his only relevance was baiting shippers and wasting time and leaned into turning Castiel into the type of character he gets written as in so much bad D/C fanfic - a pathetic mostly human woobie who is completely useless for anything but the projection of bizarre teen romance fantasies that don't make any damn sense. Which culminated in that bizarre ambiguous queerbait he and Bobo the Clown cooked up for Castiel's exit. Which doesn't even touch his later seasons' presumable attempts at acting where his choices for Lucifer!Castiel & AU!Castiel & Empty!Castiel were all ... entirely made up of bad accents and gurning. It wasn't about any of those character's motivations or places in the narrative, it was about the laziest possible attempt to differentiate them from his normal character. Even in latter season's SPN, which IMNSHO had so, so many issues dragging things down, Misha's lack of interest in anything but the size of his paychecks and con earnings played into some of the worst.

Which brings us to D/C and the whole supposedly canon thing. Canon is literally what happened. D/C didn't happen, it's that simple. Castiel rambled some ambiguous bullshit about love and got sucked into the Empty while Dean looked bewildered and sad at him from several feet away. Misha can make up as many stories about what the character was totally thinking and how he was totally coming back in the finale and queerbaiting about what will totes happen in a revival, but not a word of it actually makes what Castiel said "I'm IN love with you". Nor does it magically manifest a reciprocation from Dean. What doesn't happen on screen but actors or TPTB say about the canon is often called Word of God. Which yes, Misha's does not outweigh everything Jensen and Jared and various showrunners have clearly said. Jensen might have gotten less confrontational about shooting it down over the years, but the underlying message hasn't changed. Meanwhile, not only do the details of Misha's stories constantly change, but the general message of his claims has flip flopped so many times. The show was about the brothers, no actually the brothers and the angel! He joked about wincest, no actually he'd never heard of it! He didn't want to say what that scene meant, no actually feel free to attack anyone who says it wasn't a homosexual declaration of love! There's more, but Misha's not worth the effort of looking them up.

As you say, at the end of the day, anyone watching the totality of the show and seeing how it ended? It's very obvious the center of the story was a platonic love story. A complicated one, granted, but Sam and Dean so many times made it very clear that it was them ... and everyone else. Except in the same way that acknowledging that doesn't serve the hellers agenda in demanding a continuation must center their ship so they can finally have visuals to go with their fanfic, acknowledging that doesn't serve Misha's agenda of fleecing them out of money for telling them it will happen for as long as he can get away with it.

[chiisana-sukima]

Oh when you used to sing it to sleep

@jinkieswouldyoulookatthis and @blue-chimera - thank you both for your kind and thoughtful replies to my reblog of this post. The og post is getting quite long and also I don't want to put too much writing effort into a reblog that's susceptible to disappearance, so I'm continuing here instead.

I agree with you both that Dean's parentification and Sam's continued acceptance of vs rebellion against it as an adult are an important part of their dynamic. Dean's dying words in the finale attest to this beautifully (as well as many other things throughout the course of the show); I love you so much, my baby brother. To a certain extent Sam is Dean's baby and always will be.

I think though to a large extent, the framing by both Sam and Dean of Dean as Sam's parentified elder sibling is a mutually employed, mostly cooperative sanitization of the central and most damaging aspect of the roles they internalized through their upbringing: Sam is a monster and Dean is the tool to "take care of" it (double reading of "take care of" 100% intentional on my part). Because of this, while readings of spn through the lens of Dean's parentification are definitely valid, I do think they sometimes risk distorting or leaving out important aspects of the characters' personalities, motivations, and relationship.

Jinkies, in my fruitless quest to process without reblogging a take I knew the OP wouldn't appreciate, I had listened to the interview before posting, and I think while Jensen is being flip, he's also getting at what he sees as a truth in the brothers' relationship. I think he's right from a Doylist/co-creator/actor's perspective--Sam is the protagonist who we see through Dean, the deuteragonist's, eyes. Dean, as a piece of the narrative artifact, Supernatural, is there to save Sammy in a way that Sam (up to that point anyway) is not a piece of the narrative artifact whose purpose is to save Dean. From a Watsonian/in-universe perspective though, I think he's mistaken, and that his mistake is the reason his take sounds uncharitable, even aside from the flippant part.

It's just not a very convincing analysis imo to frame a character who spends the first few seasons rejecting immoral power, the next few in an arc that ends with him willingly subjected himself to eternal torture for the good of the world, and the one after that intending to sacrifice himself dramatically to rid the world of one particular species of monster but doesn't because Dean asks him not to, as self-absorbed or not particularly concerned with his effect on others, including on his brother. Likewise, Dean holds up well as a parentified older sibling with no sense of internal self and abysmal self-esteem in some ways, but in others not so much. He does have interests and priorities and a sense of purpose outside Sam. They're all over spn every day, much more so in fact than Sam's are. They're just not enough to override his Sam prioritization.

The main place I think this analysis fails on Dean's side though is that he, as an adult, is just not a very good parent. Obviously as a child he couldn't be expected to be a good parent (or a parent at all) and as an adult he's already damaged and so it's understandable that if big brother-ing Sam is how he chooses to spend the rest of his life, he may still not be equipped to do it. But he fails on such a fundamental, obvious level at the the most basic aspects of parenting--providing safety, unconditional love, and preparing your child to go out into the world as an independent adult--in ways that once he's a grown up are absolutely within his power to at least attempt (for example: if he wants Sam to be safer, it would ultimately have failed because of Fate, but the logical thing to do first would be not hunt. Dean could've followed Sam to Palo Alto. He could've told him to go to Harvard Law if he can't tolerate Stanford after Jess dies. Could've refused to support him throwing his life away of a mission of revenge. Bought him his own car, encouraged him to have his own tastes. Told him convincingly that trusting Ruby was a bad decision but Lucifer is still not his fault).

None of that is meant to be insulting to Dean though, because I don't think that parenting Sam is Dean's real job--even from Dean's perspective--and I don't think his real job is palatable enough that it would be better for either of them if he admitted what it is head on. What his and Sam's real jobs both are imo is being a container for Sam. On Dean's side, this means holding Sam in his arms with love or if that's not enough, holding him in the panic room, which, from this perspective, is also an act of love. Substituting his judgement for Sam's is an act of love. Not encouraging Sam to hold his own interests first or to grow towards independence are acts of love. Given the nature of (what I believe to be) Dean's actual job, they are effective and competent acts of love undertaken under impossible circumstances, even if the results are sometimes pretty horrific. Because they're still better than the alternative.

Likewise on Sam's side, doing his job well means being a model monster--go to an Ivy, exercise, eat healthy, cultivate empathy, don't have desires of your own, hold yourself to an impossible standard, suppress your anger, kill other monsters when they get out of line. And in the moments he can't manage all that--because who can?-- submit to Dean. When he does those things, he's succeeding at his job, and while it would be nice if "let your brother hit you" or "jump in the Cage with Lucifer" wasn't his job, in the world of spn, it is. He is right to be contained by Dean and wrong to have opinions or priorities of his own unless Dean approves them first.

I do think this sometimes ends up looking like Sam has better self-regard, because Dean's job is to "take care of" Sam, and Sam's job is also to "take care of" Sam. But actually they both have absolutely abysmal shit self-esteem. "I should submit to eternal torture because it's my fault someone else is going to do terrible things he could choose not to do if he wanted" is not the thinking of a person with healthy self-regard. The reason neither of them could fill a thimble with their self-esteem or healthy boundaries imo is because neither "monster" nor "blunt instrument" is a person. Neither of these roles is better or more healthy than the other. Fundamentally, if you don't see yourself first and foremost as a human person, then your life is going to suck horribly. And neither of them see themselves that way.

[lean-mean-demon-genevieve]

I’m not interested in defending celebrities, to be so for real, but I am interested in a crumb of whatever drugs this blogger is on. This kind of standom delusion must feel amazing. 💊💊

It’s so funny to me when stans go after each other and fail to realize that they are all engaging in the same kind of “Nuh-uh! That other side sucks the hardest because of all this very biased data I’ve compiled” type of arguing. I’m also not interested in warring with any stan blogs, but this was just so egregious and needed to be debunked. So let’s unpack:

Right off the bat, this blog has used the word tokenize incorrectly. This means to use someone as a symbol of inclusion or compliance with regulations, or to avoid the appearance of discrimination or prejudice.

I think they are intending to refer to the kids being a commodity to exploit in the overall branding of the family; that they are being objectified. And one only has to skim the Instagram feeds of Danneel and Gen to see which family is more heavy-handed. “Danneel’s entire Instagram use to be solely about that.”Based on what, exactly? Danneel’s very first post is of Jensen and JJ, yes, and her identity as wife and mother is (gasp) very much on display ever since. But…that’s to be expected, right?! After all, sharing those parts of their family life on socials is exactly the whole point and why anyone initially followed. It is that behind the scenes peek into the family lives of J2 that drew people in. It’s not as if either of these women has much of a fan base on their own and neither of them were acting at the time their IG accounts launched.

A quick side-by-side of the 2 accounts at about the same point in time (2017/2018) shows little differences in themes of content:

This blog further claims that “Genevieve and Jared are intelligently including their children where needed” and doing so in “genuine, selfless ways.” *snorts* At the time of this writing, Danneel has 458 posts and Gen has 1,833. Now, I didn’t review each post but the few tags I saw included in family photos were Disneyland and Warner Bros when they visited in recent years. I did not see multiple paid partnership ads featuring the Ackles children. I’m open to anyone proving me wrong, because by sheer volume my argument will still stand. In a random sampling of 2021, we have a string of posts of the Pada-kids that double as ads to varying degrees. Here are just a few examples:

Now you might say, “ok but these are products for children and families…that still seems pretty thoughtful.” Except that one need only scroll a little farther to see the kids included in brand deals for adult supplements, exercise gear, cleaning products, and even shampoo.

All of these products still fit in the “items that help me be a great mom” theme of the Now & Gen era, but this is still blatantly using images of the kids for profit in ways that the Ackles just have not done. What is shown here is just the tip of the iceberg and does not include the other attempts at branding on the failed Now & Gen blog or the YouTube vlog. So I’m not sure how the Pads have only used the kids “when needed” when this family was never going to go hungry without these endorsement deals.

Comparing the volume of likes on Gen’s IG posts that contain the children vs those that do not makes it seem likely that someone has been paying attention to the trends and has concluded that utilizing the children in ads has more earning potential. This is the current climate of social media marketing. These outcomes are in fact considered.

The idea that kids should be allowed to “earn money or have a brand” if they want is actually incredibly irresponsible. Protecting the safety of children that are a part of family content creation was a popular topic over the last year. There have been several examples of families who lost the plot in their efforts to market their children in order to achieve financial gain. What an asinine claim to make for children in general when Google is right there. And I love a link, so here’s a few: X, X, and X. It’s too early to definitively summarize the harm that the Pads might be causing their kids with all the exposure. Even when parents are not intentionally exploiting, their children are too young to consent to this type of “work.” Their brains are literally not developed enough to consider the long term pros and cons. All of this sets them up for potential harm, the risk of which makes none of this a need.

“What’s wrong are self-centered, clueless parents who only show off their kids to benefit off of a certain image.” (Pretending I can’t see the self-centered bit because woooo boy…Gen…😬) But aren’t both families posting photos of their kids to “benefit” off of their image of “family?” It’s baked into the Spn and even Walker marketing. The fandoms have been referred to as a family almost since their inception, so it only makes sense that fans were interested in the leads and their own growing families. Again, both families have benefitted but the Pads have benefitted all the way to the bank. And some Padalecki stans are quick to point this out as a win. If the above blog wants to congratulate Gen on her shrewd sense of business and use of capitalism, then that is a whole other thing and they should just come out and say that without making anyone out to be a saint.

One should take note that nowhere in here have I said that Danneel or Jensen are better people than anyone. I didn’t praise them for anything or proclaim their intentions are always pure of heart. How could anyone know that, except by virtue of the faith that comes along with extreme fandom? And that faith isn’t the same as screenshots, numbers, and patterns.

As always: Pedestals aren’t for people. Hold everyone accountable, even your faves. They will survive.✌🏼

[raptorladylover6969]

The baby girl (Raptor Lady) herself may or may not be in imminent danger !!!! 🤨🤨

Okay so I like just came to this theory or conclusion after the events of the final episode of Chaos Theory, and I’m just thinking about it like oh goddddd if this concept/theory does become a thing I will curl up into a ball and cry.

So basically when The Handler had the Camp Fam cornered and ready to initiate the command for her atrocis to attack, she noticed that her dinos were hurt, so then shes like “AUR NAUR MY BABIES” and decides to retreat leaving the campers alone yayaya we get it, already been addressed, basic stuff right.

So then that got me thinking, she’ll have to notify the Broker eventually that she failed at her duty of killing the campers, and that they are heading to West Africa to face them off. The main question here is: “How would the Broker react to that?”

That one DPW guy Jensen says and I quote “Our boss doesn’t like loose ends.” and with the atrocis,“Gets the job done better than leaving it to chance with an allosaurus.” Jensen is basically saying that the Broker prefers to get things done quick and efficient. No questions, no hesitation. Make sure that no traces, no leads, nothing is left behind. No loose ends. But then in the finale, The Handler leaves the loosiest loose end of all time; letting the campers go by putting the wellbeing of her dinos first, which is certainly something nobody in the dino-trafficking gig could give two shits about. They just want money. They don’t care about the “health and wellbeing of the dinos.”

The Handler would obviously have to face some kind of consequence for this. She put the entire business in jeopardy because she let the campers go, now they’re on their way to Malta to put a stop to the whole gig all because of an empathetic woman. The Broker would most likely have her killed for this. “No loose ends” remember?

However, this could pave the way for some kind of redemption arc for her. This whole dino-trafficking thing seems very ooc for her to be apart of. She connects with the dinos on a psychological level. She can feel and understand their pain. Would she really be apart of a group that makes dinos suffer? Unless she was somehow forced to…but thats a theory for another day.

I think she’ll soon make an enemy of The Broker. A cool scene thing would be if she were to pull a Scar vs Hyenas from The Lion King onto The Broker‼️ Like if the Camp Fam finally stops the whole thing, the Broker is trying to get away, and they bump into the Raptor Lady, and they’re like “Oh its just you.” The Raptor Lady pulls out her whistle, and sends her atrocis after the person whos made them suffer for so long. (Someone make a fic of that. If not I’ll do it myself‼️)

I live for Raptor Lady becoming good guy pretty pls pls pls

[anurst]

Girl Bradshaw

Summary: Bradley vs Jensen. Maybe Bradley finally comes to understand how much his actions hurt you.

Pairing(s): Jake Seresin x (fem)(bradshaw) reader

Warning(s): language, alcohol, angst, mentions of estranged family

A/n: I'm back! Thank you so much for waiting :) this chapter is a little short but the next ones will be longer :>

Part 8: Through his eyes

It was Bradley’s idea that your parents kept the 'i' in your name. Brady was too similar to his name. “There can only be one Brad Brad,” was his reasoning. So, your parents went with Braidy.

Bradley was always important in your life. As kids, he played the big brother role to the fullest he could. He’d read to you when you were younger, scared off kids that were picking on you, let you wear his extra jersey during his little league games. You were his world back then. His best friend. His baby sister.

So, how could he let everything get as bad as it was? Pete’s betrayal had hurt him, and in return he had hurt you when you made it clear that you still wanted Pete in your life after he pulled Bradley's paper.

“Bradley, just talk to her,” Pete sighed, his fingers pinching the bridge between his eyes. Bradley rolled his at the older man and huffed.

“She doesn’t want to! She said so herself! She wants to talk to everyone else except me,” he grumbled. His shoulders were tense and a hand ran through his hair. The sounds of people in the background laughing and drinking did little to make him feel better. It was like within this whole world, he was the only miserable person that existed.

It didn't make him feel any better knowing you were out on a date with Jake of all people. Seriously, you could have picked anyone else, but no. You were out eating dinner, probably having a good time, with Jake. Their relationship had definitely improved since the uranium mission, but sill. You were Bradley's sister and he wanted Jake nowhere near you. Bradley's known Jake long enough to know his ways with women.

The familiar sounds of laughter caught his attention as he and Pete turned around to see the rest of the ghost team walk into the Gunny. Sighing softly, Pete gave him a gentle pat on the back as he started making his way towards Nolan.

"Zack!" Jensen's loud, cheery voice caught Bradley's attention as he glared at the man. Your close relationship with the man brought him nothing but envy as he chugged the rest of his beer. He could feel the alcohol running through his body, and a small part of him told him to stay in his seat. The same part told him that if he were to do what he was thinking, then there was no way in hell your relationship would improve. Biting his lip, Bradley let a deep sigh before he was startled by Jensen's voice. "Hey. Bradley, right?"

'Shit.'

"Yeah. Uh–Kay, right?" Jensen nodded his head and stuck his hand out as Bradley took it. His eyes shifted towards Bradley's empty beer and gave him a stiff smile.

"Jensen's fine. We're not at work. You mind if I ask you a couple questions about your buddy, Jake?" Bradley could feel his chest tightened and nodded. Jensen sat next to him and took a quick sip of his drink. "Is he a good guy? I don't mean any disrespect. I'm just looking out for (y/n)."

Bradley's eyebrows furrowed at the use of your middle name. Hearing people call you anything besides the name he choose, filled him with bitterness. His tongue ran over his lips as his fists tightened. "Hangman's alright, I guess."

"You guess?" Jensen asked, leaning forward, his eyes starting to fill with worry.

Bradley shrugged at his words, "I mean, he's better than he used to be."

"Would you let him go out with (y/n)?"

"I trust him with my life."

"But, do you trust him with (y/n)?"

"Her fucking name is Braidy," Bradley scoffed. Jensen clicked his tongue and let out a breathy chuckle.

"Right. Look, I don't want any fucking problems, but if you want to be ass, then fine. I just wanted to know if Jake's a good guy because (y/n) doesn't need more baggage from you." Rising from his seat, Bradley towered over Jensen as he glared.

"The fuck does that mean?"

"You know exactly what it means," Jensen paused to rise to his feet as well. He only stood two inches taller than Bradley. "Where were you when she was on in the hospital? She was in a fucking coma for three weeks and you never showed. Not only that, but you're stationed 45 minutes away and never bothered to visit."

"Jensen! Enough!" Amy's voice cut in as she took a hold of Jensen's arm. His eyes never left Bradley and only scoffed as he felt Ethan place a hand on his shoulder.

"Don't make trouble for her," Ethan spoke from beside him and Jensen let out a huff. Letting Amy drag him away towards their table, Jensen could feel the weight of Bradley's glare.

Shifting his gaze from Jensen to Ethan, Bradley just sighed. Ethan bit his lip and sat down in Jensen's seat. Swallowing, Bradley lowered into his own seat and intertwined his fingers. "Jensen means well. He's just protective of (y/n)."

"Will everyone stop fucking calling her that? It's not her name. Braidy. That's her name."

"She doesn't want people calling her that because it reminds her of you." Bradley's eyes widened as he turned to look at Ethan. Sighing, Ethan's rested his cheek in the palm of his hand. "Braidy's the name she had when she was your sister."

"She still is my sister," Bradley seethed, his anger intensifying at Ethan's words.

"She doesn't see it that way. To her, you're the dickhead that hurt her. The guy who turned his back on her. You were her only family, and you chose to leave."

Silence followed as Bradley let Ethan's words sink in. It's not like it's the first time he's heard someone tell him that he turned his back on you. When he told Natasha everything, she threatened to rip his head off. But, hearing it from someone close to you, just felt different. To you, Bradley had done the unforgivable and turned his back on you. He had left you alone after the two of you lost all your parents. He finally understood your desire to not be called Braidy was because it simply remind you of the worst event that happened to you–him.

Braidy was a version of you that lost all of her family. Her parents dead, the man who was like her dad gone, and her brother accusing her of betrayal. Meanwhile, (y/n) was successful. She had found her family and was doing something she loved. She was living her best life in Oceanside.

"How do I fix it?" Ethan smiled and pat Bradley on the back.

"You've got to figure that out yourself, bud. Afterall, you said she's your sister. You know her in a way we don't."

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[not-a-perfect-metaphor]

Then & Now

J2 years past vs. J2 in 2023

(pt. 1)

^ necessary touching, guys. Shhh. Shush. Necessary.

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••••••••••

^ in a glorious ‘fanfiction-y’ mating display, Jensen was literally smelling Jared to confirm that yes, he was definitely “in season” during the 2023 moment above.

So…I mean…😏

Holy crap and that just reminded me of the whole ‘wood’ cologne debacle where Jared started obsessing over Jensen’s dick and leaning over to smell him and suggestively being all like ‘where do you spray it, hmmm??’ wink wink flirt flirt giggle giggle.

And then he finally got so worked up that he literally had to exit stage left so he could calm down.

Hehe.

Yes.

God. Good times.

••••••••••

Bonus -

Jensen: “I’m like, ‘my boy needs to cool down.’”

Vs.

Jensen: “I give it to my boy…he did not stop.”

Because…um…😘❤️💕😍

[laf-outloud]

So con count vs con count:

Jensen - 15 Jared - 10.

12 out of 15 of Jensen's cons are CE and all 3 non-CE cons are outside of the US (2 of which Jared is also attending - JIB and AHBL - and Purgatory 8). All of his cons are SPN-specific, no general cons.

Jared on the other had is scheduled for 4 CE cons, 4 international cons (JIB, AHBL, Infinity Con, and Darklight Con) and 2 US based non-CE cons (ATL CC and Albuquerque CC).

And Jared still has July, Sept, and Oct free to add more if he wants to try and do one a month like it's appearing he might be doing.

Personally it seems smarter to me to diversify like Jared is doing. Not only because SPN and its specific cons are slowly dying, but also for the fan reach. There is a reason why J2 sell out so fast overseas - its been exponentially more rare for them to attend cons there. Jared is increasing his audience reach but going to more overseas cons. And also he reaches a different audience with the more broad US based cons like ATL or when he did FanX etc. Lots of people don't look at CE when thinking of attending a con because it is so niche for SPN fans pretty exclusively. I know they've tried to diversify a bit with some Smallville or TW ppl but those aren't enough of a draw to really get people to attend who weren't already interested in a SPN con (especially at those prices).

Jared's looking to build his career, not just promote a single role (Sam), especially if he's done with that role (excepting a possible reboot). There's no guarantee how much longer Walker will go, but Jared's appearances at non-SPN cons, particularly in the US, can help promote the show and build his reputation and solidify his fanbase for future projects. He's making long-term moves instead of looking at just the yearly return.

[themoodyestj]

this is why i freaking hate you people, with you there's no way Jensen can ever win, whatever he says, no matter how thoughtful and wise his answers are, you will always find a way to spin and twist his words in the most evil way to fit your narrative where Danneel is villian.

tell me something, do you think is alright to fight over every little disagreement? that's what leads to situation where you will say a bunch of hurtful shit and then be like, i'm sorry babe, i didn't mean it.

taking a stand every single time you have a disagreement with your parter is not the healthy way to go. the "you vs me" mentality is what leads to so many divorces. the right mentality should be "you and me vs the problem"

the least time you spend yelling at eachother the fastest you will solve the problem.

and if Jensen doesn't feel inclined to fight his wife at every chance, that's a good thing!

I have to admit it must not have been the best of ideas to wait after after the end of a long (albeit productive) day of work, because I have zero patience for drama queens right now. You hate us people? Why, did we kick your first born? Did we burn your house down? Is your name Inigo Montoya, I killed your father, should I prepare to die? Less, delulu, much less. I simply expressed an opinion you didn't like. Does everyone agree with you in your daily life? Hardly. And it's pretty rich that you come here accusing me of twisting someone's words when you're doing exactly the same. Jesus, can anyone explain these delulus what projection is? How on earth would Jensen "win"? What would he be winning? He said it, we all heard it, discussions are a common thing in his relationship. He even justified with his wife being a strong woman (what a cute way to say argumentative). If anything he is losing, big time. Losing patience, years of quality life, chances of being happier, peace of mind... oh and money, lots and lots of them. Perhaps even credibility, because that woman is an embarrassement.

And although I completely understand and in some way can relate to what he said, I would hardly call it wise. Just because I don't find someone wise, it doesn't mean I hate them. If you read what i wrote correctly, you know, all of it, instead of just the parts you may think I am attacking your fave and come here to argue with me, you'd see I have no problem with him choosing his battles. I do it all the time, at work, when I'm dealing with someone I sure know it's an asshole, even with delulus from Tumblr. But not at home. What I pointed out is that, simply, he should feel safe at home without the impending possibility of someone yelling at him over a disagreement. Those exist, you know? They're called healthy relationships. Write it down, this is important.

My wish for him is not to yell. Is for him to not feel the need to yell, or the concern that he will be yelled at. Is for him to find a place where he feels safe. And if you think that expressing your opinion freely with your partner is "taking a stand" and a "you vs me" mentality, no, honey, no. What Jensen described is actually a you vs me mentality, where he has to cave because his wife is too opinionated to see his side of the equation. In fact, a "You and me vs the problem" mentality would be two people expressing their opinions freely and both working for a common understanding for the sake of a relationship. Not avoiding subjects because they may develop into a fight, or humor a partner because you think they may lash out. Again, yes, I agree that Jensen takes the high road and doesn't fight. I wouldn't fight either. But that just reads as frustration, exhaustion and avoidance to be honest. The road is high but not that wise.

[j2spntranscripts]

★ 2008 LAcon Gold/Breakfast

Official name: Creation Entertainment's SALUTE TO SUPERNATURAL (Sunday Breakfast & Charity Silent Auction) Location: Marriott Los Angeles Airport, Los Angeles, Cal Time: Sunday March 30, 2008, 8:00-9:45 AM (GMT-7) Panelists: Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki Last episode: 3x12 "Jus in Bello"- 2/21/2008 Next episode: 3x13 "Ghostfacers"- 4/24/2008

Question Index: 1+ Jared’s engagement 2+ Goodies from Set; Sam’s clothes 3+ YouTube Farting Pandas story 4+ Jared’s family visit 5+ Finger surgery story 6+ miniature Impala 7+ Writer strike end; 4th season renewal 8+ Kripke at LAcon 9+ Five season limit 10+ SPN hiatus; Reaper 11+ 3x13 12+ Cinematography; height differences (3x13) 1- Stunts; Fight scenes; Women vs Men 13+ bts story; stunt people; 3x02, 2x19, 1x06 2- 3x11; Int. Diner -Day; sync scene 14+ Dialogue and Audio challenges 15+ Fan encounter; UBC campus 3- Con experience 4- Most fun episode to shoot in s3* 5- Fan appreciation

(video playlist/links and transcript below the cut)

(*if you notice any mistakes in the video transcripts or found more video coverage of the con please point them out thanks*👍)

◘Supernatural La Convention-2008[breakfast] by omzzzzz◘

•(0:00) – Introduction

Adam Malin is standing near the mic on stage, introducing the boys.

Malin: -Jarrrreeeed! (audience claps and cheers)

A door on the back wall from the right of stage opens up. Jensen with Jared following walk into the room followed by a team of bodyguards. J2 wave at the gold audience and then step on stage with one mic stand. Camera’s from the audience are constantly flashing.

Jensen: Hi. (audience giggles)

Jared: Hello guys. (leans over to the singular mic) They’re make us, like, accidentally touch faces and what. (audience laughs) Good morning. (to Jensen) I don’t think it’s early as probably last time.

Jensen: (reaches to the mic stand’s ) (to Jared) I think I’m gonna raise this up (Jared: Yeah!) for big guy here. (audience laughs)

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-06 Bfast 01-11 by DW&DW◘

Jared: I decided to pick (points to the end of the stage) the short cut on this side of the stage instead of going on the way in. (audience giggles) Well, welcome to, uh, LA-

Jensen: Who’s- Who’s not awake? (raises hand up high) (audience giggles and raises their hands) (flings arm to his right) Good to know. Good to know.

Jared: (reaches for the mic) I’ll take over then. (to the audience) Where y’all come from? Anybody, uh, far away or anybody here local?

The audience starts yelling out answers. Jensen walks behind to the other side of Jared and takes off his jacket and tosses it to the end of the stage.

•(0:54 O, 0:23 DW)- LA08Gold;T1- Jared’s engagement

Jared: (looks back and forth) Where are y’all from? (audience member: France!) France! I was just in France. I got engaged in France. (Jensen starts clapping. Then audience claps and cheers) I wish she was here now because, um, (?she could?), um, (?she could tell?), but I was, uh- January 28th. It was our four-year anniversary at (?). (audience aws) (adjusts the mic stand) And so, I’m a very lucky man. But that was in, uh, in Paris. (?Had to do the-?) (swipes hands out)

Audience member: Eiffel Tower?

Jared: I- it wasn’t at the Eiffel Tower. I heard that Tom Cruise done that. And I was like, (shakes head) “I don’t know if I wanna-” (audience laughs) So, um- And actually a credit to.. the show and the word that y’all helped spread, I was getting recognized a lot in France. And I was just- Strangely, I was like- We were in the Louvre and, um, you know, where these priceless paintings and these sculptures and everything. (audience laughs) And people are walking past, like, holding their pictures up and I’m like, “That’s (?Menoi?)! Why are you all like-” (audience laughs, Jensen smiles)

Um, but I just- I- We- I ended up doing it in the hotel room. Uh, because I- I didn’t want.. the moment to be like.. (mimics kneeling looking up) “Will you-“ “Take a picture of?” (mimics getting up and posing with fans) (audience laughs) I went back. And so, uh, we had a nice private day and had massages and everything. (audience giggles) But I did great. So- So, thank you I guess. (laughs then looks at Jensen)

◘Jared and Jensen in LA: Breakfast clip 1 by BabyBlueSteel◘

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-07 Bfast 02-11 by DW&DW◘

Oh, yeah. Good idea. (takes off his coat) (audience catcall)

Jensen: Heh, yeah. (?You startin’ to?) sweat now?

•(2:11 O, 0:08 BBS, 0:05 DW)- LA08Gold;T2- Goodies from set; Sam’s clothes

Jared: Heey. I borrowed this set- this shirt from set, so. (audience giggles) I’m Sam today. (hands coat to someone off stage) Thank you, sir. Yeah.

Jensen: The whole outfit to. (audience chuckles)

Jared: I know, yeah. But I didn’t borrow (pats pants) this. This I stole after season one. (lifts left leg and pats shoe) This I stole after season two. (audience laughs) (to Jensen) The belt, I think, is also season two.

Jensen: Well, you know, all the time we have to actually shop (?at the end of the day?).

Jared: Right. Right. Right. And, they- And they’re much better than I am at shopping for clothes. (Jensen: Yeah.) So, I just sort of run into the wardrobe trailer for something (?wear?) around the knees?

Jensen: Oh, the whole thing.

Jared: Yeah. (audience laughs) Yeah. That’s one person’s job.

(to the audience) Anything else? Y’all have questions? Y’all are excited to be here or? (audience affirms and cheers) Thanks again for (throws hands up) one of the-

Jensen: (scoots closer to Jared) It- it used to be like a-like a camera phone (?).

Jared: Yeah. Yeah, right.

◘Jared and Jensen at Breakfast in LA - March 08 by runedgirl◘

Jensen: (gestures to the crowd) Now we have actual video cameras on you (?). (audience laughs) (looks at a watch) Which does mean this will be on YouTube in about three minutes. So watch what you say.

Jared: So, I can watch it and see how.. dorky I.. (audience laughs) will be.

Jensen: Ah, yeah. Absolutely.

Jared: That is fun actually. I- you know I- I don’t know. Jensen makes fun of me.

•(3:16 O, 1:13 BBS, 1:11 DW, 0:19 R)- LA08Gold;T3- YouTube Farting Panda story

Jensen: I saw- (facepalms) I saw the thing on TV last night. I don’t know the guy’s name, but, uh, it-it was just a clip of a commercial for a show. And it was just talking about the accessibility of YouTube. (audience chuckle) (laughs) And the guy says- the guy says, “YouTube!” (raises hands) “Bring me a farting Panda” (claps) (audience and Jared laughs)

(to Jared) I had to pause the television because I was laughing. (audience laughs) (shakes head) I love it. (wipes his face)

Jared: (thumbs to Jensen) Now you know that Jensen is looking up farting pandas. (Audience laughs. Jensen shrugs) I never found that. Uh-

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-08 Bfast 03-11 by DW&DW◘

Jensen: It’s what I do. (Jared: Yeah.) Yeah.

Jared: Uh… I remember last summer-

Jensen: This is what I do with my Saturday night. Yeah. (shrugs) (audience laughs)

•(3:53 O, 1:51 BBS, 0:09 DW)- LA08Gold;T4- Jared’s family visit

Jared: I got to spend time with my family yesterday. My brother was in town. (swipes hand) My sister was in town. So, I’m really excited.

And I probably smell, because we stayed up late, so. (audience laughs) I apologize to anybody who I will be (Jensen mouths “He does” to the audience) close proximity to (audience laughs) later. I still smell a little bit. But I don’t get a chance to see them too often. So, he’s joining a convention of some sort for the doctor study- whatever they do. (swipes hand) It’s not important. (audience laugh) Just-

Jensen: Just saving the world.

Jared: Just saving the world. (shakes head and waves his hand) Nothing important.

Jensen: Nothing to see here.

Jared: Yeah. I always-  I always find it funny, because I always call my brother (takes off beanie) and griping about something. I’m saying, “Ohh, I work 16 hours.” He’s like, “I’m an hour 48 at the hospital. I’ve had 93 minutes of sleep.” (laughs) I’m going, “Yeah. Yeah. I wasn’t griping or anything.” (shrugs) I was just like, (shrugs)” (audience laughs) “(?I wouldn’t want be?) my brother. I don’t wannna.. make it sound like, uh, bitching and moaning.”

Jensen: Going into surgery after an hour forty-eight?

Jared: Yeah. (Jensen: ?Wow?) (?It’s frightening to do that?) (audience laughs)

•(2:41 BBS, 1:00 DW)- LA08Gold;T5- Finger surgery story

Jared: It’s always been, um- When I broke my hand and I had the cast on the show, I remember I was talking with the doctor who had done my hand- who had fix my wrist. And he was saying he and his partner one time with a 20 hour surgery- uh, this is kind of.. disgusting but, um- (audience laugh) A guy had cut his fingers off on a saw. So they had to go in and label all the little.. (jiggles head) like veins to the right veins with those little tags and sit there for twenty-eight hours. Neither of them slept. (nods) Yeah. So-

Jensen: So, good morning everybody! (claps) (audience laughs)

Jared: If y’all are tired then.. (swipe points) don’t gripe. Let me do it. (audience laughs)

◘Jared and Jensen in LA: Breakfast clip 2 by BabyBlueSteel◘

I’ll just pass the mic to Jensen (Jensen: I don’t want it) because I’ll- I’ll sit here- (audience laughs)

Jensen steps away from the mic, but Jared leans it towards him.

Jensen: Thank you. Thank you. (steps back to the mic and says to the audience) Hi. (audience greets back) I have no stories to tell right now. (audience chuckles) Um-

A loud heavy thud interrupts Jensen and J2 look to their right. The audience make startled giggles in response. Jared points at the noises origin and then grabs the mic.

Jared: What’s in that glass? Can we get a smell check on.. (puts back the mic back)

•(2:00 DW, 0:23 BBS)- LA08Gold;T6- miniature impala

Audience member: We’ve got the prettiest girl in the room right here, the impala.

Jared: (holds hands out to audience member) That is- (claps and nods) That’s right.

Jensen: There’s my baby.

Jared: It was good to see that car again, for sure. (throws up hand) Yeah-

Jensen: Might have a little trouble fittin’ into that one. (audience laughs) But, yeah.

•(2:12 DW, 0:35 BBS)- LA08Gold;T7- Writer strike end; 4th season renewal

Jared: First off (claps) also (pats Jensen’s shoulder) I-I know I said I’d passed the mic to Jensen but I’m gonna (Jensen waves Jared on) (audience laughs) Let’s be happy that the writer’s strike finally ended. (clap) (Jensen: Ah [claps]) (audience cheers and claps)

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-09 Bfast 04-11 by DW&DW◘

(?Tomorrow, I’ll answer this?) you will find records or YouTubes of this. So let’s say, you know, thank you again to them. And getting us picked up for a fourth season. That was real (?nice of you?). (audience claps and cheers) (J2 talk off mic)

•(1:01 BBS, 0:18 DW)- LA08Gold;T8- Kripke at LAcon

Jared: (to the audience) Kripke was here yesterday? (audience affirms)

Jensen: That’s wh- That’s- (grabs mic) That’s really what I wanted to talk to you guys about, is I wanna start asking you questions. (audience laughs) ‘Cause he doesn’t tell us anything. (slice hand motion) (audience laughs) It’s- Yeah, no, seriously people will ask-

Audience member: What do you want to know?

Audience member: What do you wanna know?

Audience member: We know everything!

Jensen: Uh, (gestures to himself) what happens with me? (audience laughs) Do I die? Do I die?

Jared: (grabs the mic and points to himself) What happens with me? Do I-

Jensen: (grabs the mic back) More importantly, what happens with me? (Jared laughs) No, really. Do you guys- Did he give you any, uh- uh-

•(1:25 BBS, 0:42 DW)- LA08Gold;T9- Five season limit

Audience member: For five seasons!

Jensen: What?

Audience: Five seasons!

Jared: He said five seasons?

Audience member: Big cliffhanger! Big cliffhanger.

Audience member: They gonna leave!

Audience member: He said that y’all had called too!

Audience member: Yeah, dude you’re dead!

Jared places a hand on his chest and grimaces to Jensen.

Audience member: You died!

Jensen looks confused at the audience. The audience laughs.

Jared: (grabs mic) I put in a request for that, so. (swipes hand)

Jensen: (to Jared) Uh, there is the Supernatural comment box. (Jared and audience laugh)

◘ JA & JP LA Con Breakfast 30-03-08 by phouka◘

Audience member: You’re not coming back, Jensen.

Jensen: I’m not coming back? (Audience member: No.) (looks to Jared) Have fun. (audience laughs) (Jared: Great!) Have fun.

Jared: Maybe my hours will (audience chuckles) (to audience member) So, he said five seasons, huh? (audience affirms)

Audience member: He said- he said that y’all just don’t want to do more than that.

Jared: Oh, he did?!

Jensen: Oh, he blamed us! (audience giggles) (audience keeps yelling out things) (to Jared) I seem to recall having a very, very intimate conversation with the guy saying, (arm slice motion) “I don’t want to write past five.” (nods) “Okay, Eric.” (audience laughs) (thumbs up) “Sounds good, buddy.”

Jared: I- I think, uh, yeah. I think we have had.. a discussion with him before where he talks about.. He’s afraid if we go into.. season 20 like Bonanza, it’ll be Sam and Dean (audience laugh) like, (leans against the wall) sitting down on couches going, “(?There’s a handgun?)” (finger guns)-

Jensen: (mimics old!Dean using a walker with shaky hips) “Sam!” (audience and Jared laughs)

Jared: (mimics Jensen) You really need to do that butt shaking thing.

Jensen: (nods) I will. (audience laughs) I will. Absouletly.

◘LA Con Breakfast2 by runedgirl◘

Jared: I think that, uh-

Jensen: (to Jared) She got a kick out of that one.

Jared: I really want to see it again. (Jensen: No.) I wanted to see it. (shakes his head) I’m just kidding.

Jensen: I know you do.

Jared: I’d rather- I’d rather not see it ever.

Jared reaches for the mic stand, but the mic falls off. Jensen shakes his head. The audience laughs and Jared looks dejectedly at the empty mic stand. Jared then bends down and picks up the mic.

Jared: (to the audience) I’m certain that he did that. (audience laughs) (untangles the mic cord) I guess I’ve been drinking whatever she’s (points into the audience) drinking.

Jensen: Oh, sorry I dropped the microphone (mimics bending to pic up the mic), excuse me.

Jared: Now, let me turn around and-

Jared bends over to the side and shows the audience his butt. The audience catcalls, while Jared continues to untangle the mic cord from around the stand. Jared laughs at the reaction.

Jared: It’s not- It’s not a great site (?) (audience laughs) I wish it were something worth screaming for. (finishes untangling the cord) I don’t know how I got Sandy. (audience giggles)

•(3:11 BBS, 0:37 R)- LA08Gold;T10- SPN hiatus activities; Reaper

Jared: What have y’all guys been doing when Supernatural’s been off? What have y’all been watching? What’s going (?on?)? (audience yell out answers) (throws up hand) Really?

Jensen: (takes the mic stand) Well they’ve been watching Reaper cause they took our timeslot. (audience denies. Jared laughs and claps)

Jared: Good to know that y’all still prefer Sam of Supernatural to Sam of Reaper. Which (?confused me?). (audience squeals) I mean, I really enjoy the show, but when I was watching the first time I was going, “Why are they calling him Sam?” (audience laughs) “His name is Sam. Like, my name is Sam.” (audience giggles)

Jensen: (counts on his fingers) His name is Sam, the lead character. (Jared chuckles) Hunts demons and.. Okay. (wipes mouth) (audience laughs) (laughs) Okay.

•(3:51 BBS, 1:17 R)- LA08Gold;T11- 3x13

Jared: We just did an episode with the Hellhounds. The guys from, uh, season 1? The (audience cheers) I guess the episode called Hellhounds or Hell House? (audience affirms “Hell House”) So they’re back. A.J. and Travis are back with, um, this whole gang. People they call the Ghostfacers. And it’s a really neat episode. I don’t know if Kripke talked about it? (audience affirms) And it’s all shot on video cams.

And so it’s interesting to go and shot a take and, uh- We all go watch it and laugh and go, “Huh, this playback thing is kind of fancy.” (audience laugh) (?The difference between?) light it and shoot it, and go back and change, light it and shoot it and go back and change, work on our lot. It was kind of fun, to not have marks and not hit lights.

The experience with (?) was nice to actually just act and not just feel like.. (mini pose) minding my lights, posing for the camera (?).

Jensen: Because that’s all you do. (audience laughs)

Jared: (shrugs) (shrugs) I got nothing. (audience giggles)

Jensen: No, it was. It wa- it was like, uh, took us- took us out of our element because, you know, there’s a technical of- a technical side of acting was kind of forms in your brain once you do it for so long. And (shrugs) you know, to-to kind of strip that away all of a sudden you’re left with nothing but lines and- and reacting off of characters. So- (shrugs) So, it’s kind of cool (?episode, you know, like in theatre?). But, uh-

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-11 Bfast 06-11 by DW&DW◘

And then, you know, these little tiny cameras. You know, (Jared: Yeah.) you’re- you’re- you’re used to having the camera. And if you’re in front of it, you gotta be bringing up the performance a little bit, because as soon as it goes off, you’re like, “Pbft” (mimics walking away) (Jared and the audience laugh)

Jared: (?of course?)

Jensen: Well, unbeknownst- So, unbeknownst to us in the beginning there’s camera’s like (points different angles) (?tight and wide?), (Jared: That’s right.) there’s a camera over here, and there’s a over there. So, we’re never off (Jared: Yeah) camera. So it’s a constant, uh- it’s-it’s a constant barrage of filming.

Jared: I think it’s nine or eleven, some.. strange odd number (Jensen: Ten) of- Ten. (audience giggles) (points to head) With cameras and little head cams and little, uh.. uh, little cams that are.. attached on a (?face thing?). It was really interesting to shoot. I really had a good time. So, I hope y’all guys liked it. Um-

Jensen: Yup. It’s a little different.

Jared: It is different. But I think- I think, uh, (?it reminds me of?) It’s kind of that handheld feel which we haven’t had a.. really a lot of chances to do on this show.

Jensen: Hey, what’s the movie that came out recently, uh-

Jared: Cloverfield (claps)

Jensen: (nods) Cloverfield.

Jared: So, I didn’t get the chance to see it, but I heard it was great. Uh, so I’d like to see it but- I think it’s- I think they said Cloverfield but not (?a shape?). I didn’t see it, so I don’t know.. what that means. But, I guess it was kind of Blair Witch Cloverfield style of TV show.

Jensen: (?) 50 incher and you’re like, (mimics throwing up) (audience laughs)

•(6:10 BBS, 1:27 DW)- LA08Gold;T12- Cinematography; height differences (3x13)

Jared: It was also much tougher for them to hide my height. It was.. watching random cameras that might look down at the ground. They’re like, “Can’t really squat.” (awkwardly squats) (audience laughs) “I can’t really like, (spreads his legs) go like this.” (audience laughs) (tosses up hands) “I guess I just gotta be tall.” (audience laughs)

We have a- we have a girl named Brittany, who’s one of the guest stars. And she’s, uh, she’s about yea high. So, she’s got a little camera. And every time she looks at me or Jensen, she’s like this. (mimics pointing the camera up) (Jensen mimics her too) And the ceiling is gone, because they’re all in these, uh, you know- (Jensen: Sets.) Yeah, it’s all sets. So, they’re like, “Uhhh, could you just hold (mimics holding the camera above his head) it above your (?)?” (audience laughs)

So, Phil was directing. And they ended up making her put the little screen down and sit there and (mimics holding the camera way above his head) hold on it’s (?strung out and running into things?). It was pretty fun to watch. (audience and Jensen laugh) Next time I want to be operator.

Jensen: The challenges. (Jared: Yeah.) (?It’s all challenges?)

◘Supernatural Convention, LA 2008 -Sunday Breakfast- by JensenLover89◘ (0:00-3:08)

Jared: Yeah.. And now Jensen has a song prepared for you.

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-12 Bfast 07-11 by DW&DW◘

Jensen: I do. (audience woos and claps) (grabs the mic) Hit it! (audience laughs.) I don’t know who I’m talking to. (audience laughs) (shrugs) Uhhh, (looks around the room) any questions, guys? Any, uh- (Jared: Yeah! Yeah.) Give us something to talk about, for crying out loud. (audience giggles) Sitting up here like puppets. (raises head at fan) Yes. Yes.

◘Jared and Jensen in LA: Breakfast clip 3 by BabyBlueSteel◘

• (0:30 JL, 0:18 DW, 0:07 BBS)- LA08Gold;Q1- Stunts; Fight scenes; Women vs Men (2x15)

Fan: I-I guess, general question. So, um, in terms of the- the combat or the fighting scenes and stuff that you do, do you find- are they choreographed enough that it doesn’t make a difference, or when your actually fighting women or they’re, ehm, you know, the fembots in the Trickster episode or things like that. D- Is- is there a difference, um, when you’re- when you’re interacting in a fight scene like that with a woman vs a male, er, man or actor or actress?

Jensen: Uhhh, well yeah. Absolutely. Th- You know, (shrugs) you want to be.. You know, g-guys, uh- We- we get physical with the- with the fights and, uh- You know, I’m- I’m gonna.. actually steal a-a quote that, uh, Harrison Ford said it recently. He said, uh, when they asked him, they were like, “So, about the new Indiana Jones movie, so you’ll be doing all your- all your stunts?” And he goes, “Oh, I don’t do stunts. Uh, I run, jump, and fall down.” (audience laughs. Jared smiles)

And, (shrugs) which is basically what we do. The stunt guys are the ones that do the- the really, you know.. t-the dangerous things. But, uh, the hand to hand combat stuff we do- It’s, uh- It’s choreographed out to an extent, but once- once you get the, you know, sound roll and the camera’s start rolling and stuff, it intensifies.

So, we always try to rehearse at half speed because you know as soon the, uh- as soon as the camera starts rolling that- that adrenaline, uhh, kicks in and you start going really fast. And then that’s when- Well, I mean (thumbs at Jared) you know he- he broke his wrist last season.

Uhm, so, uh, but, yeah. I-I- I’d say when, you know, when dealing- We normally deal with stunt guys. So, when we’re- when we’re fighting someone it’s usually a stunt person. So, you know, they can take a- a crack open head. Or they’re very, uh, (snaps fingers) you know, they have- they have spatial awareness about them that- that is great for fighting with us.

Um, and, uh- and usually the women that we fight are stunt women as well. So, I mean-

Jared: Tougher than the stunt men. (audience laughs)

Jensen: And- Good, because I mean, (thumbs to Jared) to kick his ass. (Jared and the audience laugh) Uh,

Jared: (rotates his fingers) So, in turn..

Jensen: (points to himself) Not me.

Jared: (points at Jensen) Really. Really. (audience laughs)

Jensen: No. So, it’s, y-you know, it just depends on, eh, sometimes if w- were doing it with an actor or an actress or if we’re doing it with a stunt person, kind of how (flings hand), you know, how full tilt we get.

Jared: (nods) Yeah, that’s, from (thumbs at Jensen) my part, I would say it’s- it’s.. not so much man or woman but more-

Jensen: (holds up mic stand and shakes it) Do we even need this? Do you guys hear us? (audience affirms)

Jared: (grabs mic stand from Jensen) I want the mic. I like it. (laughs)

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-13 Bfast 08-11 by DW&DW◘

Jensen: (gestures to go ahead) Get the spotlight (?coming for you?). (thumbs to Jared) (audience laughs)

Jared: Yeah, I thought I had the spotlight on me. No, it’s not- For-For my money, it’s not so much man or woman, but actor or stunt actor, you know? Because, like (thumbs to Jensen) he was saying, like, with.. uh, kind of hinted at this- the stunt women are.. tough as nails also. And a lot of them are like ex-fighters and, you know, trained in kick boxing and (throws up hand) could kick my ass. (throws up hand) And so could kick his ass. But, um, so-

•(2:46 BBS, 0:29 DW)- LA08Gold;T13- bts story; stunt people; 3x02, 2x19, 1x06

Jensen: What is the, uh- Where was the- In the- the changelings’ episode, uh, (Jared: We were in, uh, “Nightshifter.”) at the very end, uh, the mother changeling, uh- (audience answers “The Kids Are Alright”) (Jared: Yeah.) Yeah. Uh, I-I fling her into like some, you know, (?big?) barrels and then I stand her up and I do a (mimics kick) front kick right into her chest. And, it was- it was not the actress. It was just the-the- the stunt woman and she kept going, (“come on” gesture) “Kick me.” (audience laughs) And so, I, you know-

And I’ve been known to knock the breath outta of, uh, (gestures to Jared) like Lou’s, uh, son Nick. (Jared: Oh, yeah.) Yeah. Like, our stunt coordinator Lou Bollo.. he has a son named Nick. Uh, he’s very into, uh,-

Jared: He’s been- he’s been in several stunts.

Jensen: He’s been in a lot of stuff and, uh-

Jared: In the prison episode he was (mimics lifting and tossing) picked up and launched on to the- the (Jensen nods), uh, table.

Jensen: And this is in theee, what would have been, uh, “Skin.” Uh, first season. He comes- And he comes into the door ‘cause one of the, uh- uh, SWAT guys. And just give him (mimics kick) a soccer kick right to his- right in his chest and he just goes flying out the door. (audience laughs) Because Lou, his father, was like (leans in and whispers), “Kick him hard.” (audience laughs) (holds out hands) “Alright.”

Jared: (leans into the mic) That’s when he needed the microphone. (holds the mic to Jensen)

Jensen: “Kick it- Kick him- Kick him hard.” (audience laughs)

Jared: (takes the mic back) Now, back to me.

Jensen: But- But I really- I d- the-the lady from the from changelings, I mean, I- I punted her so hard that after- after every take I’m like, (bends down) “I’m so sorry. (?)” (audience laughs) And she popped right up. She’s like, (shakes head) “I’m good.” (audience laughs)

Jared: (strained voice) “I’m good.” (audience laugh)

Jensen: Yeah, (?like that?). (Jared laughs) (strained voice) “Medic.” (Jared and audience laugh)

◘Jared and Jensen in LA: Breakfast clip 4 by BabyBlueSteel◘

Jared: Anybody else? (points) There’s a- There’s a hand way back there.

• (0:03 BBS, 2:08 DW)- LA08Gold;Q2- 3x11; Int. Diner -Day; sync scene

Fan: (?Hi, Eric?). Good morning.

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-14 Bfast 09-11 by DW&DW◘

Jared: Hi there.

Fan: (laughs) Hi. In the, um, episode Mystery Spot, in the restaurant scene you guys were going back and forth at the same time, did it take you a long time to do that? (audience laughs)

Jared: You know what? It didn’t take us that long-

Jensen: (shakes head) (says something off mic)

Jared: I’ll answer that. I will say-

Fan: Can you do it for us?

Jared: It was- um, You know what? I wish I remembered it. That’d be fun. But, it was- it was something that- We-We… If we’re filming at the same time, we usually get picked up in the same car every day. So, we ride.. to work together and we’ll go through our lines and go through scenes and ideas and whatever for the forty-five minutes or however long it takes to get to work. Uh-

And so, that day.. it was- We were- We had to do that. And then the right up before the take we ran into, uh, (thumbs to Jensen) his trailer or my trailer going , “Okay, let’s do it.” “Blah, blah, blah, blah.” “Bluh, bluh, bluh, bluah.”

I will say, that the only reason it took.. a long time (laughs) to- (points at Jensen) You kept saying, “Of the,” instead of, “the” or something.

Jensen raises his eyebrows and shrugs twice, smirking. The audience laughs.

Jared: And it’ll probably be in the outtakes. (laughs) It’ll probably be in the outtakes because I remember after the beat, he’d have add something, which made sense. The line- There was- I don’t remember the line.. But-

Jensen: (shrugs) Apparently, I didn’t either. (audience chuckles)

Jared: Correct speech was like, “Something of the something.” But the way it was written was without the of. So, I kept skipping the “of”.. (pointedly turns to Jensen and speaking directly into the mic) referring to the script. (audience laughs) Jensen was adlibbing. (Jensen nods and smacks his lips)

Jensen: (to Jared) Referring to my acting talent.

The audience laughs. Jared turns and nods, and then bursts out laughing. Jensen smiles. The audience starts clapping.

Jared: Touché. Touché.

•(1:27 BBS, 1:23 DW)- LA08Gold;T14- Dialogue and Audio challenges

Jensen: Um, so we- we- we actually got that pretty quick. In fact, (Jared: ?Yeah?) uh, one of the- one of the- the harder things about doing.. film or- or television like this is.. You know, in normal life people talk over each other. You know, that’s just- that’s just the way we, you know, we conversate. It is, uh, it- it-

Jared: (gets closer) I totally hear that. (audience laughs) (?) that’s Right. (Jensen: I could tell.) It seems to be a-a normal way to talk. (can’t hear the rest) (J2 separate and Jared laughs)

Jensen: Um, and we- we-we love to actually do scenes like that, but our-our sound guy would, you know, probably (turns to Jared) pull his hair out. (Jared: Right. Yeah.) (nods) So, we have to (hand chops) have that separation.

So, whenever we do stuff like that it’s- it’s strategic (claps). Like, we’re in (?)

Jared: We actually did this scene, um, I guess, Friday. Um, (Jensen: [nods] Yep) We were in the quad of UBC campus and, uh, the scene kind starts getting heated up. It’s-

Jensen: Supernatural! (audience laughs) (J2 bend over laughing)

Jared: Yeah, we need to tell that one.

Jensen: (?Y’all know how the story ends?) (audience giggles)

Jared: Um.. But the scene starts to get heated up. And we had found this really, I thought, comfortable rhythm of, you know, he- his line takes it to the next level, which takes us to the next level, then we start yelling at each other. And it felt pretty good and it felt real. And, like, he said, a lot of the times we found that getting into a heated discussion, especially, the kind of (Jensen: (?)) not really listening, your just kind of blabbing, you know?

Um, but they had the- they were like, “Okay. Bob (?didn’t have a good listen?). No (?cue?) sound. Don’t lose the energy, but can we break apart the lines?” “Well, uh, you know, it’s gonna lose some of the energy, but, um-“ (?what I think I’ll?) probably go through the takes and see if they can make it work. And, uh, go from that.”

Jensen: Well, you just trust your editors to.. make it right. Edited it the way you want it to be performed. And unfortunately, sometimes you can’t perform it that way, you just got to trust your editors that they will.. cut it together (?that way, so?). (Jared: Right.) Um-

•(3:15 BBS, 3:11 DW)- LA08Gold;T15- Fan encounter

Jensen: Yeah. Nah, I was- I was just saying, uh, Supernatural. (smiles)

Jared: Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Jensen: W-When we were at the- the shooting at the- the campus, we went to lunch and we got in, uh- um, we get driven around in a very large SUV. (holds a hand out) (Jared: Yea.) (?Unless you’re aware?). (Jared and the audience laugh) Uhhh-

Jared: Sadie in the back. Makes no difference.

◘Supernatural Convention, LA 2008 -Sunday Breakfast- by JensenLover89◘ (3:09-8:27)

Jensen: Um, anyway. Jared got out of the front seat and he was heading to lunch. And this, uh, student, this young guy, with his backpack and kind of walks past Jared and does this,

Jensen mimics the student walking, recognizing Jared, slowing down, and then staring at Jared with an open mouth. The audience laughs. Jensen then mimics the student looking back at the SUV.

And- a-and then he’s looking, and I’m getting out of the backseat. (Jared laughs) And then he goes, (mimics the student’s mouth opening wider) (audience laughs) And the only thing he could muster was, “Supernatural!” (audience laughs then claps) And then he walks off. (zoom gesture)

◘Jensen LA SPN convention-15 Bfast 10-11 by DW&DW◘

And I just thought to my- I-I looked at our-our driver Cliff, and I was just like, “Really, that was it? That’s all you (?could think of?)” (audience laughs) “That was it?” (shrugs) That was funny.

Jared: It-it was accurate, at least. (audience chuckles) He was right. (audience laughs)

Audience member: Usually they (?) you.

Jared: There’s- yeah. (nods) that’s exactly. Exactly. That was a funny thing to happen on set when you get to.. go out. (points to his left) Yes.

◘Jared and Jensen in LA: Breakfast clip 5 by BabyBlueSteel◘

• (0:02 BBS, 0:50 DW, 4:03 JL)- LA08Gold;Q3- Con experience

Fan: We.. really love having you here. (Jared: Uh huh.) Um, but we were wondering, how do you feel being here? I mean, what exactly were you thinking coming here? And maybe- (audience laughs)

Jared: You mean, literally, like, here?

Fan: Scared! Yeah, or (?nervous-?) are you nervous at all? I mean-

Jared: I’ll speak. Uh. (audience laughs) (Jensen: (?You’re afraid you’re just not inside my courage?).) You notice- You’ll notice there are very large men around us. They get rid of the nerves. No. Um.. (audience laughs) This is, uh.. This for me and.. I probably speak for Jensen as well is- is.. really the exciting part of filming the show.

I mean, we’re in Vancouver shooting long days and just basically waking up, going through our lines, acting, going to sleep. We don’t- I mean, we’re actors. We want flattery and praise. (audience laughs. Jensen smiles.) We want to know it’s making a difference. And- and- Uh, I know a lot who watch, um.. like Grey’s Anatomy, and CSI and stuff, which are all great shows, but a lot of ‘em watch it just because their friends at work watch it. So, they want to know what they’re talking about. It’s like, “You know what? I hang out with five people, they all watch it. So, I’ll gonna watch it myself just so I can know what they’re talking about if they’re talking about this or talking about that.”

But, y’all actually.. Y’all are supporting us and supporting the show. And that’s priceless. And so, we’re gonna back to work this week and we’re gonna have tons of faces and tons of.. praise and flattery and a lot of support for what we do. Because, it gets tough out there.

And, I mean, Friday March 28th, and we’re sitting out there and it’s snowing snowmen. It’s not- (audience laughs) (?) like, one knocked me on the ground. (Jensen molds his hands into a circle. Audience laughs) I hear (?Ginger?) going, “Really? We really have to work today? Like, half the world would call a snow day for this and we’re going to work.” (audience laughs)

But, you remember why you’re doing it. You can see (gestures to the audience) your faces and.. you know, hear your support for the show. (audience and J2 clap)Jared: We’ll do one more (points to his left) then we’ll (?).

• (1:59 BBS, 2:48 DW, 6:01 JL)- LA08Gold;Q4- Most fun episode to shoot in s3* (incomplete question, might be mislabeled)

Fan: (?) to get the most fun (?) all three seasons?

Audience member: Jared! Helloo! (clinks glass)

Jared: (briefly turns and laughs at the noise) (to fan) Uhm, this season? Probably this last one. (Jensen: Yeah) Probably the last one. (Jensen: thirteen)

That was a quick answer. Let’s go over here. (audience laughs) Uhh. Oh, there’s so many. (points to his right) I think you’re always about to shatter glass, so. (audience laughs) I was thanking the Marriott, I’m gonna to-

• (2:19 BBS, 3:08 DW, 6:21 JL)- LA08Gold;Q5- fan appreciation

Fan: I have to tell you, you- you just have- What you do. My daughter has been sick since January 2004. She’s been sick. She has not been in school. She started at fourteen. She’s now nineteen. She missed her sixteenth birthday or eighteenth birthday. And next month she has to go back into the hospital. (tearing up) It’s because of you two.. that she is the person she is.

She has always been positive and she loves you guys. And you are the two that keep her happy. You’re the guys she dates. (Jared: [shrugs] Thank you.) Because she doesn’t- (audience laughs) Now she see’s nobody. She’s in her room. She’s got (?) Deficiency Disorder from mono really bad. So, she’s gonna be in the hospital and she’ll be sick in two days from being here. But we had to come, because you’re the ones that are keeping her sane. Thank you. (audience claps)

Jared: Well, you’re the one that made her (?an amazing girl?). And she’s very pretty. (J2 clap) (?I’m very glad to have another girlfriend?). (?I sound like Beyonce. Beyonce should go to LA.?) (waves hand) But thank you, and y’all for- (holds up hands).

Fan: I didn’t think I’d get emotional, but you guys are great.

Jared: (?No, big. Besides?) there’s- there’s nothing, uh-

Jensen: (grabs mic) What’s-What’s you name?

Fan: Jamie.

Jensen: Jamie. (shrugs) I just like to know who I’m dating. (audience laughs)

Jared: I’m kind of (?amazed you’re spinning some kind of romance?). You. You in the black.

•(3:30 BBS, 7:32 JL) - Closing

Jared: Um, I think- (looks off stage to his left) I think we are, um.. going on to the next.. bit. Is that right? Oh, yeah. They were right. (points) Everybody’s like- (laughs)

Jensen: It won’t actually be us. It’ll be cardboard cutouts. (audience laughs) They’re very lifelike (audience laughs) Uhh-

Jared: (laughs) About as lifelike as Jensen (?is to hang with?). (audience oos) (?Okay, see you guys?)

Jared rushes off stage and hide behind the bodyguards. He then beckons Jensen to come at him.

Jensen: (to Jared) (?Yeah. Yeah. Hide?)

Jensen picks up the mic stand in offense, pointing the stand’s legs at Jared. But, then he puts it back down and Jared joins him back on stage.

Jensen: (to the audience) Alright guys, thank you.

The audience cheers and claps. Jared claps before both J2 walk off stage.

[lol-jackles]

https://x.com/NataRomanovaBW/status/1800415674688553408

You have fans!! lol. The whole above thread right til she calls you crazy here:

https://x.com/NataRomanovaBW/status/1800428808186872271

I guess they are ignoring that originally (on production sites) it was listed as filming April 8, 2024 - August 22, 2024.

Do they think you pulled those dates out of your ass? I literally have a screenshot with the working title and everything lol. Just because THEY aren't informed, doesn't mean we aren't.

And they did push back GenV filming (only slightly) after Chance's death so it's possible TB got pushed back as well, but they were originally scheduled to film pretty much concurrently - probably so they can have crossovers, tie together storylines, etc. while they have ALL the cast in one location for shooting vs filming them at different times and calling back cast to film cameos. So more than likely even if TB filming got pushed back as well, they are still probably back right now. These people forget exactly how tightlipped TB filming is (and no, I don't mean no phones on set, they very very clearly have phones on set) and they aren't even really allowed to straight up say they are working on the show or show things from the show.

The huge thing they are ignoring is that maybe the reason Karl is filming something different is because he either isn't in s5 or is in s5 in a limited capacity. His new movie is an Amazon production as well, so they obviously allowed him to do it and the schedules are clearly ok with them.

Of course these are the same people who think SB/Jensen is the star of TB with a whole 12 minutes screentime and now an unconscious cameo in s4!

Link and Link. Everything you say is likely true, regarding why the casts are told to be quiet since their presence (or lack of it) in season 5 could be major spoilers for season 4 when it premiers in 2 days and it's finale on July 18.

Some fans will stalk sets to see if particular actors are seen on set, which will give them clues if the actors' characters live or not in upcoming episodes. Some studios attempt to circumvent these fans by having actors show up on sets as decoys when their characters are actually not in the episode. Games of Thrones were known to apply this tactic, but it's often not used because it cost money to hire and transport decoys.

Anyways, I just posted The Boys S5 film schedule from ProductionList to help AAs stop giving themselves funny aneurysm. AAs and hellers work in organized groups that function like a call-center set up to manipulate the conversation by inundating forums and social media with conspiracy theories that are conveniently not based on fact but feelings.  Perfect for cult leaders like Goob, so he just slid right in as “one of them” and manipulate the conversation with even bigger and wilder conspiracy theories. When even AAs/hellers were doubting Goob's words, he says they’re too dumb to understand what he writes, especially when his writings contradict himself.  So he writes even bigger and wilder conspiracy theories.

Remember kids, your vibe attracts your tribe. There is a very good reason why you never/rarely see such psychotic behavior from Jared's fans.

[dotthings]

It's not just J1ers pushing that false narrative about Jensen and 15.18--there are a few Jensen stans on twitter who have done it too, who are still doing it in the year 2024. They claim to be speaking in defense of Jensen and on Jensen's behalf, they complain about "fandom backlash," then they play denial and erasure and gaslight about everything that actually unfolded concerning the confession, Jensen's actual responses, his actual views, words and actions, all while claiming to be "protecting" him. All they're doing is further throwing Jensen under a bus and perpetuating the false narratives surrounding the confession, using Jensen as a shield for their own hate, hiding behind him because they are unable to differentiate between their own hatred towards Cas's expression of love vs how Jensen feels about it.

[not-a-perfect-metaphor]

(Hardcore hatting post with wives + fauxmance content. Please do not continue if you know that’s going to rub you the wrong way.)

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Today in the world of J2-tinhatting:

Things that make you go ‘hmmm…’ 🧐 number 5,63877 -

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Jared and Genevieve choosing October 24th, 2008 as the day they fictitiously decided to enter into a ‘serious’ relationship with each other.

I’m sure it seemed like it would add an extra little boost of significance to the timing of their staged engagement on October 24th, 2009.

You know…like the proposal was a tribute to exactly one full year of ‘mutually exclusive commitment’ between the two of them.

And to clarify, they didn’t mention any of this; meaning the specifics of when they had officially become a ‘serious couple’ until after their engagement went public, and that was just one of the many necessary milestones they would swiftly need to fabricate (and then remember, which…don’t even get me started) as they pieced together a ‘dating timeline’ that would hopefully be convincing enough to sell their completely out-of-the-blue engagement and marriage.

And when I say out-of-the-blue…boyyyy do I mean it, because for anyone who wasn’t paying attention to the comings and goings of the Js way back then (christ…fifteen years…good grief), the Jared/Genevieve ‘reveal’ happened essentially like this:

Jared vs. romance, post-Sandra McCoy: he’s single, single…single, yada yada, single some more- (except obviously he’s ‘secretly’ with Jensen, and by ‘secretly’ I mean the entire universe knows it…*AHEM*), but yep…still single, sinnngle, wow these gay rumors sure are gaining a sudden huge amount of traction, but anyway…single, sin-

-BOOM, now there’s this one stray article speculating that he mayyy (or may not) have a girlfriend, and…wait, huh? Who dat? What’s-

Oh okay, I guess he really DOES have a girlfriend, and wait, they-they…they’re actually super girlfriend-y/boyfriend-y, or…

They’re engaged?

Yes, they’re engaged!

DUH.

It’s Genevieve. Genevieve and Jared. And, in fact, they’ve been serious and lovey-dovey lovebirds for quite a while, now.

So, um……..psych!

Yes, this is 100% normal, because whether you know it or not, you did actually know about it the whole time.

Yes you did.

NOPE, DON’T EVEN.

YES YOU DID.

YES.

YOU.

DID.

…….

Seriously, though.

I cannot overstate the bizarreness of watching it all unfold in real time…of witnessing the way this relationship that ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND…EVER was being framed and talked about as if it had been right there, right in front of us…progressing normally and not at all suspiciously to the point where it was just like finally, it’s finally just time for these two crazy kids to stroll down that aisle and tie the knot.

……

When meanwhile, in real life, it was pretty much just a giant -

Plus throw in everything that was suddenly going down with Jensen and Danneel AT THE SAME EXACT TIME (like…no joke, though…and then both engagements materializing on the same frickin’ weekend for christ’s sake??)

🙃

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*By the way, the Jensen/Danneel fauxmance unfolded in a way that was equally as dumbfounding and twilight zone-ish as the Jared/Genevieve fauxmance but for completely different reasons, which I’ll rant and rave about in another post, because I have a LOT (a lot a lot) to say about that, too.*

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But back to the Jared/Gen fauxmance and the dates I started this whole thing with.

Because remember the journalist who authored that epic article after interviewing the Js in which she famously wrote that they “share more than just a mortgage”? (they were still publicly living together at the time)

That lovely little chat happened to occur in late December of 2008.

And…but-…but…

Hmmm…🧐

According to Jared…during that interview (again, in late December, 2008), he was “very single.”

He wasn’t even just “single.”

He was “very single.”

He wasn’t “maybe casually seeing a girl.”

He wasn’t “dating a girl” but just not quite ready to name names.

He wasn’t “well…you’ll find out soon enough *wink wink*.”

Nope.

He was living with his best friend (*cough-HUSBAND-cough*) and “very single.”

Lol. So, um, then…

Well, fast forward to Jared and Genevieve’s engagement, October 24th, 2009…

-shortly after which we were informed about the whole October 24th also being the one year anniversary of the day they both decided it was time to fully commit to each other as a long-term, exclusive couple thing.

Except…two full months PAST that special day -

(October 24th to late December)

Jared.

Is.

“Very single.”

[canonicallysoulmates]

J2 Main Panel ATLCon 2023

The panel starts with some dad jokes, then Jensen asks Jared how he's feeling, and Jared replies that he's feeling good, that he's been filming and mentions that he woke up at around 3am to go to the bathroom and he stayed up to watch the fights cause he didn't want to wake up to text messages about the results. Jensen says that now he knows that'll keep Jared up so he's gonna text him the results of the fights from now on.

Jensen flew in from Switzerland on Friday, that it was a long journey, and he's been on European time the past week so he's just started to assimilate to that and then he came back to the states so now his body is all confused; he does have some sleeping pills his doctor gave him but he says he hasn't used them yet.

Starting the questions, what would have Dean's ideal ending been for him? Jensen answers that he thinks there's probably a few different roads they could have gone down but in overanalyzing what did happen as much as he has, he does feel this was a pretty great way of doing it. That during their meet and greet they had been asked what their thoughts would have been if the situation had been reversed, if Sam had died and Dean had had to carry on, and Jensen replied that he doesn't think Dean would have been able to do it and he's not trying to say Sam cared less for his brother but he thinks Sam was the one brother that could have carried on for his brother. He doesn't think Dean could have put that ahead of his emotional trauma.

He thinks Dean probably would have spiraled and it would have been destructive and he probably would have said "why am I doing this? I don't have my partner", he feels like Dean would be doing anything he could to get back to his family while he thinks Sam had the ability and the insight to say "I'm doing this for my family". He feels like it really made more sense for Dean to be the one to go, and it made for really good TV. That that particular character to be the one to go down and Sam to be the one to carry the torch was a really good move from the writers that made for really good television, so he wouldn't change it. x

When Dean made the deal in s2, do they think it was more lenient for the demon to have granted Dean a year to live or was it more cruel? The fan explains that if the demon had taken Dean's life in that moment he might not have had any second thought about continuing living but then with the one year to live he would still feel Sam's love and Bobby's love which would make him unable to embrace death.

Jensen thinks demons always have a nefarious tactic to them, and that it was just better for the story. But he also thinks the fan is right that it definitely gave Dean an opportunity to battle with all of those situations, battle with wondering if he did the right thing but he thinks at the end of the day Dean would have done whatever it took to save his brother even if that meant dying right in that moment. He thinks the demon did that because they were hoping it would get better ratings 😂

If they had to one vs. one any creature or being from SPN who they think they would have the best shot with and how would it go down? Jared says leprechaun all he has to do is put a bunch of shit on the ground and they have to count it. Jensen goes siren that he would happily lose. But if he was trying to win, he doesn't know, maybe changelings cause they're kids. Jared points out he has trouble with human kids, he wants a monster kid, and Jensen quips that he has monster kids. x

Have any of their kids expressed a desire to be actors, and if they did would they encourage it or try to stear them in another direction? Jared says all three kids got to go to the Walker set recently and see what he does; Tom was like nope and Jared breathed a sigh of relief, Odette said no but she's a performer, and then Shep said he'd think about it as if it's something you do as a hobby to which Jensen says that it's funny cause when he asks Shep what he wants to do when he grows up he tells him that he wants to do what Uncle Jensen does, both boys start laughing and Jared says he'll go with that, that he likes that better that Shep said maybe he'll do what Uncle Jensen does.

None of Jensen's kids have expressed an interest in acting but he will say Arrow is quite the little performer, she's picked up piano on her own and she'll ask him to record her while she does some dance or performance, and she's just starting to learn to read now but for over a year she didn't read but she would hold books and make up a story and flip the page and continue out loud as if she was reading. He wants to allow the kids to follow any interest and not smother their curiosity, he wants to really encourage curiosity whatever avenue that might lead them down. x

How to do they get into the mindset for crying scenes and what is it like when it's over? Jared answers that he thinks he and Jensen are similar, that one of his least favorite things he can see on script is stage direction saying they break down or they cry, and in so many scenes in SPN that didn't say they break down they did and vice versa it would say they do but it didn't feel right so he feels like they just let the scenes happen, and he feels like as the seasons progressed it was one of those things where they'd do a scene and be like "oh wow that felt more powerful than I anticipated looking at the page" and, again, vice versa it would be a really sadly written scene but it wouldn't feel like something the characters would approach with sadness as much as frustration.

That pretty quickly they had a pretty good idea of who Sam and Dean were and then as the show progressed the writers kinda wrote Sam and Dean to Jared and Jensen and so they trusted them like if it was a scene where they make a joke they wouldn't write Dean says kiddingly or Sam says emotionally they'd just write their dialogue and let them do their thing.

Jensen adds there's also a large capacity of confidence within the character that they had as actors and to brag on Jared a bit he remembers watching him, cause in the first season in the episode Heart Sam loses Maddison and has a really emotional scene, and Jared really got into a headspace that day and Jensen remembers watching him on set being in the corner, sitting on the floor and kinda rocking. And these lighting set ups can take half hour to 45mins sometimes and Jared was staying in that emotional headspace, you can't do that 10hrs a day and he remembers asking Jared what he was thinking about and Jared replied that he was thinking about his dog Sadie dying 😭

And how emotionally taxing that must have been for him to do that for several hours just to stay in an emotional state so when they yell action he could shed tears. Jared says that was the last time he ever did that, and Jensen continues saying he watched him as not just a scene partner and a friend but he got to watch him as an audience member and see Jared figure out a way to tell Sam's story through actual emotion that he had for the character and so when they got to s15 and they had that barn scene those weren't two actors thinking about something else that made them emotional so that they could put on an emotional face for the character, these were two actors that were so deeply invested and confident in their character that all they had to think about was Dean dying and Sam losing his brother and the tears and the emotion just swept them up.

It evolved over the course of the show and getting out of it when they yelled cut- you're essentially tricking your body into thinking something horrible is happening and your body is reacting. Jensen remembers when he was recounting Dean's experience in hell to Sam and they yelled cut and he had to walk away cause his body was shaking cause his body was thinking that he was going through something traumatic and he says what's interesting is that those leave little scars on your heart, those leave little impressions on your soul because your body reacted to what it thought was real and even though they knew in their brain it wasn't they went through that process physically. So he had to go and walk it off cause he couldn't stop the tears, they just kept coming and his body was shaking.

Jared also mentions that they're both Texan born and bred, the idea that someone's like well if you do a crying scene you're gonna go home and you're gonna feel exhausted cause your body's been crying Jared would scoff and say he's acting, he's memorized the lines but that it's legit having done it now for 23 years and 450 episodes of television you do a regular or happy scene and you go home, but you do one where your brother is dying he says he slept for days after they shot that barn sequence, he had no energy, he had no dopamine in his body and it was weird cause he'd sleep 8hrs but he couldn't even get out of bed.

Jensen says it's strange that an emotional scene is more physically taxing on you that a day of fight scenes but it just is, it's coming from within, it just exhausts you. But it's also like those days filled with fight scenes where at the end of it you really feel like you've hung your hat on that day, you put in the work today and that's always a good feeling when you feel like you've really delivered. x

Favorite flavor of pie? Jared starts to recite pi, his actual answer is pecan. Jensen says it's been a long road for him and pie that began when he met Dean Winchester but that long before he met Dean he had a wonderful grandmother that he got to grow up with and see her just about every week if not twice a week and she made the world's greatest chocolate meringue pie and every now and again if he was good he'd get to go to his gran's house and get some chocolate meringue pie and he misses that terribly. Aww, Jensen 🥹

Was Ben actually Dean's? Jensen says he likes to think that he wasn't, and the reason is because if Dean thought that Ben was his the Sam and Dean story would have been over and Dean would have commited himself to that situation. x

Could Sam and Dean have been convinced by Charlie to try a D&D oneshot and if so what class might they play? These men are confused, Jared says he doesn't know what half of those words meant so the fan has to explain to them what a oneshot is, it's one game that can last several hours. Jared says hell yeah, and then asks why it's called oneshot the fan explains that it's because it's a game that only lasts one day instead of a campaign that can last months or even years, the fan mentions they know of games that have gone on for 30yrs which stuns the boys. Jared says he doesn't think he could commit to that, Jensen says he can't even get through a game of Sorry! to which Jared says Jensen can't get through a game of rock, paper, scissors without getting bored.

Sam would do it, Jared would not cause he thinks he'd get horribly addicted to it. Jensen is still confused, and Jared tells him he'll research it and explain it to him 😂

Have they developed any of Sam and Dean's mannerisms? Jared says Jensen has- Jensen keeps asking about D&D.

Getting back to the question, Jared replies that it's hard to say, it's hard to differentiate what started with him and made it on camera as Sam. That they spent probably just about as much time playing Sam and Dean than thinking about how Sam and Dean would react when they call action. If you film for 12 or 15hrs a day that's not a lot of takes there's as much time if not more off camera preparing for that, so Jared and Sam- he doesn't know who's who, but Sam is much more serious than Jared.

Jensen says he probably borrows Dean's bravado from time to time and that's not to say it's all his but as Jared said it's a huge hybrid of their mannerism and what they thought would serve the character so a lot of what's seen on screen is just them being comfortable in the character and a lot of similarites are there so there's a lot of crossover and you might see them do something and think it's something Dean would do or Sam would do and that's because it's something they do that they did while playing the character. x

What supernatural themed shows would they reccomend watching? Jared says Twilight Zone, the original. It's nice, scary, short and fun. Jensen says Angel since the fan is finishing Buffy. x

If both Sam and Dean had kids would they have watched horror shows with them and what would it have looked like? They say it would be more like training videos. x

What's their favorite song? One of Jensen's favorites is the Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin that he plays it as often as he can in the car for his kids. Jared says Just Breath by Pearl Jam that it was the first song he heard when he became a dad. x

How do they both deal with stage fright and anxiety, if they get it? Jared says that while it might sound a little strange and a little dark he thinks about other parts of the world and what's going on cause he'll really get into his own head thinking about all sorts of stuff like his son not scoring as high on something as he'd like to or his dog being sick so he thinks about what's going on in the rest of the world right now and all the unfortunate stuff people are dealing with and it kind of makes it go away, and he remembers that all he's trying to do is try to bring joy and trying to bring entertainment. He's not saving lives or curing cancer, he's just hoping to have a good time and help somebody else have a good time and it kinda makes it melt away a little bit.

For Jensen it's a game of numbers the more you do it, the easier it becomes the better you feel, the more confident you feel. It may be though at first but the more you do it- and also anxiety, nerves, fear if you allow those things to constantly deter you from doing what it is that's bringing that to you he doesn't think you ever get to truly live life. He thinks overcoming those fears, overcoming that anxiety that's really where the gratification lies and then shining in those moments is largely rewarding. If you're not hesitant, if you're not nervous getting on stage you're one of very few, everybody gets it but you can also use that feeling and turn it into energy, turn it into excitment, turn it into something you can put in your performance and hopefully it rewards you for the rest of your life. x

Last week Jensen said there was going to be news about his new project, has the announcement been made? Can he talk about it? Also, have their shows been renewed? I love Jared's reaction because he jokingly goes "don't drag me into this, I didn't say I was going to be making an announcement today at the con in Atlanta" as he turns towards Jensen and puts his hands on his hips 😂

So, Jensen says that he had been told by the people in charge of this project that there would be a press release, that has been held up for reasons that he doesn't know, all he knows is that everything's done and it's just semantics now. But it's out of his control, it's up to tptb, the brass, those who control the checks and when he sees it we'll see it but it's exciting and we'll just have to wait because he doesn't know. And as far as their shows they also have no news because CW hasn't told them so when they know we'll know. x

What songs pump them up for working out? Jared starts to mention the song from Deadpool but Jensen goes "Celine Dion?" and they have a little joking back and forth about it but the song Jared actually meant is Welcome to the Party. Jensen shares that a fun fact about Jared is that he likes to remind Jensen that that song is what he likes to kick a heavy bag too every time it plays, and every time Jared tells him that he tells Jared he's told him that 37 times. Yeah, this is married behavior because this can't be something that is playing that often on the radio or coming up casually.

Jensen says he usually goes old school with his workout playlist but he doesn't have a curated one he just goes to like Spotify and picks something from there, he also mentions the song Welcome to the Jungle by Guns N' Roses. x

When is Jensen going to release the song that he and MC made? Jensen says he'll have to track him down but they're still workshopping that one, it was an impromptu writing session they had but he'll be honest he was impressed with MC's ability to not hit any notes that it was alarming, he was terrible 🤣

Gonna take a second to thank God for having no idea what the fuck this person is talking about 🙌

Last question! Why did Sam drive 4hrs to Pontiac, Illinois to bury Dean after he died in No Rest for the Wicked? Jensen makes the joke that that's where he rose...so he already had a plot. I'll give it to him that was a good one!

Jared answers that you always want to leave the scene of a crime before burying a dead body so he thinks Sam was just looking for the first place he could get where the law wasn't following him. Jensen says that honestly that's a good question that he doesn't have an actual answer for, he doesn't know why the writers decided to do that, usually the writers have some insight or writer trader information like Pontiac, Illinois might be where their first girlfriend was from and that's what they'll write in there but but they don't tell that to them, that's not in the script.

And then Rosenbaum semi-crashes the panel to "ask a question" if they can raise the money if they can give him a ride in the car they have in their garage, Jared says no 😂

And I'm wrapping up this post by pointing out two things the first one is that Jared and Jensen were sitting so close during this panel that they might as well have sat on each other's lap, and that there's this cute moment at the end of the panel where Jensen says "give it up for my man, Jared Padalecki" 💖

J2 Main Panel Atlanta Con 2023

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Messy scenario with a happy ending

Dean is dead!! Maybe post MoC or Soul Bomb something, but Cas and everyone thinks he’s 100% dead 5evah doesn’t even have a soul left to be in heaven (he is not this dead but everyone thinks he is)

Cas of course is in deep mourning but he promised to look after Sam! He’s doing it! And thru shenanigans he and Sam run across an Alt!Dean from a different timeline/world/Jensen Ackels a la the French/etc and oops Cas and this other Dean bone and it’s very angsty/bittersweet, then this Dean goes back to his world it’s all very angsty as Cas has lost him again!!.

And in doing the deed Cas is pregnant! Was it an oops or did Cas let it happen (consciously or unconsciously) to have SOMETHING left of Dean once they part? You pick! And again so vry angsty and bittersweet and Sam is like ??? imma be an uncle but idk about the ethics of this Cas!! Cus Sam can be a butt sometimes so you can have ~*~conflict~*~ here and maybe Cas is going it alone! Maybe it’s just kinda tense idk!

But!

but

The real Dean returns! Yay! But oh know Cas is preggers with another man’s bby? Maybe Dean leaned this BEFORE he is revealed alive and Dean’s all, alas I should not bother my beloved and stay away? Or maybe he thinks Sam knocked Cas up?? Or he returns and is all????? And either Cas&Sam enable each other to hide the ~*~truth~*~ from Dean for a bit and act like some rando knocked up Cas, or they disagree about hiding it vs telling him.

In anycase! Dean learns he is kinda the father? And he can be all, woe Cas found love in the arms of another, clearly better Dean thats didn’t make the mistakes I have made! Or he’s super jealous of Other Dean. But he’s like, oh ok but I’m this baby’s dad now tho even if Cas doesn’t want me!

(Cas do tho and then happy baby ending)

Oh, I am intrigued~

I would probably go for it to be unintentional but you know, who knows with Cas and his malfunctioning Grace ;3

I could see Sam being worried about Dean and not wanting to confront him with the truth right away, but on the other hand "it was you" is a much better scenario than "random guy" to Dean? Potentially. Because isn't it prove that Cas wants Dean? Which might be especially interesting (?) for Dean if there had not been anything going on between them before apart from longing and pining and charged glances. X3