#virgin mother grub

[mintofhtagn]

TA: cant beliieve ii flew there from the traiin2top.

TA: but ii threw my fledgliing p2iioniic2 around liike nobody2 bu2iine22 back then, way two much power for a four 2weep old.

GA: You Lit Up The Sky Like Fireworks

GA: It Was Safer Than Walking Though I Am Sure

[cobblepillar]

[our-fav-hs-char]

Who is our favourite?

[hs-transfusion]

> FEFERI PEIXES

HEMO: Jade (#078446) TROLLTAG: compassiveCullture [CC] SIGN: Virpis, Sign of the Nurturing STRIFE: ribbonkind MODUS: Rhyme LUNAR SWAY: Prospit MYTH. ROLE: Maid of Hope LAND: Land of Bells and Ribbons

CC: * You’re gonna be a total *STAR*, I just know it!!!

Of all the jadebloods in the BROODING CAVERNS, Feferi is by far one of the highest achievers when it comes to CARING FOR THE YOUNG. While she'd love basking in the HARSH ALTERNIAN SUN, she instead devotes herself to DOTING ON THE YOUNG, and otherwise holding what little position of AUTHORITY she can over the other jades in her cluster. Her RADIANT SMILE makes it very hard for other people to admit that she perhaps ENJOYS BOSSING PEOPLE AROUND a little too much.

Unbeknownst to others, when looking after grubs, she attempts to SECRETLY IMPLANT THE IDEA of a more COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY where culling doesn't refer to thinning the herd. In her downtime (of which she has very little), she also enjoys both DANCING AND SINGING, dreaming of either becoming an HONORARY EMPRESS, or, more reasonably, an INTERNET INFLUENCER.

Feferi's RHYME Fetch Modus requires her to produce a VALID RHYME for an item she wants to retrieve. The catch is, rhymes CANNOT BE RE-USED. They can, however, simply be made longer by appending UNRELATED WORDS to the start of them (i.e. to retrieve a PLACEMAT, she could rhyme RACERAT, and then BIGGER RACERAT, then GREEN RACERAT, th).

Feferi's lusus is classified as the MATER NATURAE; a virgin mother grub -- highly unusual for its species, it has ABDICATED FROM BROODING and has instead taken Feferi as its charge. This unspoken-of and almost SCANDALOUS happenstance has inspired Feferi's REBELLIOUS ASPIRATIONS.

The LAND OF BELLS AND RIBBONS is a bright, cheery planet, perfect for Feferi. Its crowning monument is a GIANT, RUSTED BELL that has been worn down from EONS OF MISUSE, just begging to be given a good clean and a LOUD RING. Perhaps that would awaken the sour ABRAXAS...

Feferi's ancestor is known as DIRECTOR IRONHEEL. She was essentially the JADEBLOOD PRINCIPAL, maintaining order over her CLUSTERMATES and ensuring a STRICT CURRICULUM for all future hatched trolls.

[meraki-sunset]

so uh how valid do you think the lusae of the twelve trolls were as parental figures [spidermom is a straight up zero, but given what karkat was, the way crabdad acted towards him was pretty valid]

1- Ram lusus: they died before the game so there's no info. Probably a good guardian seeing how happy and friendly aradia was. 9/10

2- Tinkerbull: Lovely guardian towards tavros, but unable to aid him due to his size. if i only rated how good they were he would have a 10, but for how helpfull he actually was he gets a 8/10

3- Bicyclops: is chained on the roof of Sollux's apartment complex and feed mind honey to not be stupid, doesn't sound like a very capable guardian if sollux has to take care of them, but doesn't seem like he was mean at all, 7/10

4- Crabdad: Grumpy but that matched Karkat's personality, good at hiding his child's mutation and keeping him alive. 9/10

5- Pounce de Leon: According to Nepeta "pawssibly the cutest and purrhaps the bestest kitty you have ever s33n!" and they saved nepeta when her hive was destroyed and took her to the cave that later became her home, good on all aspects 10/10

6- Virgin mother grub: Born to be the best loving mother and died for not only her child but all the future children of the new world, 100/10

7- Dragon lusus: EGG. 6/10 (okay she taught terezi how to smell color but still egg)

8- Spider mom: Fuck you -100/10

9- Arthur: A gentleman and a trooper ready to raise lovingly the strongest little worm in the planet. 10/10

10- Goat lusus: Neglecfull. 0/10

11- Seahorse dad: His kid is a brat but he is suportive and heps him in his job as orphaner. 8/10

12- Gl'bgolyb: Protects Feferi from being culled by the condesce, which no one else can do, and doesn't seem to cause any harm, exept of course, when she killed the entire troll race. 8/10

[dingodad]

ive been hating so i will say one thing i really got a kick out of from friendsim was the reference to jadebloods not being allowed to fuck. this was daraya's date i think? i don't remember i'm never going to play those games again. but the idea that jadebloods are forbidden from reproducing is such a great example of the kind of emergent worldbuilding, obvious once you think about it, that homestuck employs to such good effect. not only does it a) hint at the well-known Alternian policy of eugenics and reproductive control, possibly indicating that the empire is in the active process of (trying to) breed dangerous rainbow drinkers out of the gene pool and b) obviously echo the association between the jadebloods and the virgin mary, but it also c) has clear parallels with the real-life history of nunneries - where women were often sent in the hopes of preventing promiscuity, a practice which frequently led to lesbian sexual encounters instead! - and d) implies that, if jadebloods keep being born in spite of their ancestors being prevented from fucking, they may be some kind of necessary component of the system, like drones, which the mother grub can produce asexually. like it truly writes itself. that's exactly how you should extrapolate from what's already in the text

[vristianity]

vriska as the virgin mary

i tried really hard to think of a funny thing about a virgin mother grub but it was too disgusting so have this instead

[randomhomestucktournaments]

Homestuck character most likely to read Homestuck Round 1-3

[alterfall]

making sure i understand correctly- do troll ancestors remain the same as they were in canon? does vriska maryam look up to the dolorosa or some altered version of her? is kanaya serket trying to live up to/ignore the shadow cast on her by marquis mindfang or something else? and the question that brought me here- the headmistress is stiill damara megido- are there effects backwards from gamzee being her descendant?

This is correct. Just like the humans, only the Beta Trolls have been 'swapped', meanwhile the Alpha Trolls have been warped due to being the descendants of pre-Scratch versions of said swapped trolls.

A while ago, Hydro drew this companion piece to an older infographic, which I'll attach for visual aid.

(note that we didn't swap the scratch around or anything, the Beta Trolls are just on the left because they're introduced first :P)

Trolls like Vriska, who are very interested in their Ancestors in canon, retain that trait in ALTERFALL, hence why she has this whole vampire aesthetic going on and is very proud of her connection to the Virgin Mother Grub. Meanwhile, Equius, someone who buys massively into the Hemospectrum, suffers from self-loathing and a 'cog in the machine' mentality rather than highblood supremacy. I'd definitely recommend giving the old character posts a fresh look with this in mind, as it can reveal a lot of the reasons why we chose certain directions with the characters!

-SF

[xeno-bio-sociology]

Would it even be possible for a Mother Grub-like creature to exist on a humanoid species scale without magic, considering the vast caloric intake it would need just to exist even without constant egg-laying? Speaking of, how fast do you think it could produce eggs? I'm trying to figure out numbers for the troll population and that's my starting point.

Woof, hmmm....

It's interesting because I have wondered some of these things myself before, wanting a place like Alternia or any other giant-animals & dragons world to be plausible, but I don't have the background to get into the actual science of it. But let's see how far I can get and then hope that someone else can fill in the gaps.

Okay, so the three major constraints we'd be working with here are: structural integrity vs gravity and square-cubed law, air intake and blood circulation vs square-cube law, and calorie intake vs food chains and square-cube law.

For those who don't know, the square-cube law is the principle that the mass/volume/weight of an object grows faster (x3) than its surface area (x2) or the measurement of its height/length/depth in one direction (x1). An ant, being much smaller than a human, needs proportionally less muscle to fight back against gravity. Its exoskeleton doesn't need to be made of a super-tough material to withstand most of the impacts it receives or to easily contain all the bodily tissues. It needs less oxygen and what oxygen it has can reach all its tissues even without a special tube system to pump it all over the place, and it can survive on a very small amount of calories. If you simply embiggened the ant to a human size it would collapse and be unable to breathe.

So let's take this one at a time: structural integrity Our mother grub needs to be made of much stronger material than an ant is. There is precedence for this, found in other animal kingdoms. Elephants manage to move around despite their size, as did the dinosaurs before them, with huge dense bones and similarly meaty muscles. And both the scaly-footed gastropod and some rodents integrate metals into their bodies to toughen their shells and teeth respectively.

This is an alien from a different planet and evolutionary tree after all, we do not have to stick to the traits we can observe in the insect kingdom on our own planet here. Calling trolls and mothergrubs insects or insectoid is simply a shorthand for convenience and we can decide that they've convergently evolved these adaptations or whatever else we might invent to allow them to work as we wish, we just have to make the actual function make scientific sense. So, the mother grub's exoskeleton is metal-infused, and she might have a secondary internal skeleton to hold her up as well, as a solid core to hand things on is more structurally sound and mobile than a can around it. Or perhaps a more honeycomb-like approach, with supports scattered throughout; like a building with rooms. Maybe it evolved in a kind of opposite way to how a turtle did, where it had an internal skeleton that then grew into a shell. Or perhaps it is a new structure that we do not have an equivalent for in our insects. Either way, that's the exoskeleton out of the way.

As for muscles, while I think it's possible for them to have evolved them to the point that they can have the typical thin limbs of an insect, since we can see that mechanical devices can operate under such contraints, I think it's likely that that the limbs in general and the weightbearing and locomoting legs especially are significantly chunkier than we would see on an ant.

I will say however, that it is entirely possible that the mother grub in particular is not especially expected to move around by herself, and typically relies on drones and jadebloods to do much of anything. Pretty sure that’s how termites do. Perhaps Kanaya's virgin mother grub is also smaller than she is depicted; though the opposite could be true and most mother grubs do not regularly attain such sizes and either the lusus fluke or her being unmated contribute to her being as large as she is. We simply do not see any other mother grubs, though the implication that the skull on Terezi's scale is from one would suggest that the inverse is true and mother grubs can be enormous indeed. Either way, she probably doesn’t fly unless she’s much lighter than she looks and maybe filled with helium. Perhaps the wings are decorative? Or maybe they function as part of a heat-dissipation system or even for oxygen exchange themselves?

In any case, onto the next issue: air and blood circulation

As you probably already know, insects have a much different respiratory system to vertebrates. Instead of a central hole or three to breathe from and a sac to breathe into, where it dissolves into the blood and then a bunch of tubes all around the body to take the blood to the tissues, they tend to have what are called "spiracles," a bunch of little holes in their skin big enough for the air to enter and a tube to take the air to the tissues directly. The problem with this on a large scale is 1: less surface area:volume means you have less space for spiracles, 2: more volume:size means it's harder to get the oxygen to all the tissues you've got packed in there. Letting the oxygen essentially just passively absorb just isn't very efficient.

In past eons some invertebrates have gotten around this to get much larger than they are today by the simple expedient of there being significantly more oxygen in the air than there is these days. We can also get a heck of a lot more leeway by updating our mother grubs to have a heart and blood and veins and such. Something more complex than the simple book lung that spiders and such have. For reference, while the largest terrestrial invertebrate that ever lived was a 110lb millipede we think that the blue whale is pretty much the largest an animal can get with a mammalian circulatory system before the heart just can't pump the blood through the body fast enough, and it comes in at 199 tons (two-hearted whale when).

So pump up the oxygen level (not too high or there's fire explosionsm especially under the alternial sun), and maybe decrease the gravity on the planet and things can grow pretty big. Maybe you could even switch out oxygen and carbon as the main elements we're looking at here and get a boost that way too. I’m not big on chemistry or how things work, so maybe oxygen and carbon are the only things that’ll work here, but for instance the atmosphere on earth is 78% nitrogen and only 21% oxygen and humans don’t even do anything with the nitrogen, so even assuming that humans have to breathe the same air as exists on alternia (not a safe bet, as each species would have some wiggle room in terms of air composition and all humans were godtiered and capable of surviving in the vacuum of space [or at least the medium] by the time they were face-to-face with the trolls, and Earth C is both dubiously canon and potentially contains species that are not quite the same as those on either earth or alternia) you’ve got plenty of space to fill with some alternate gas in there.

So we’ve got a metal-plated, well-muscled mother grub who maybe doesn’t move around so much and has anatamy containing lungs, pumped blood, and veins. Maybe she’s got spiracles still and they work like our own airways or maybe she’s got a big honker of a nose like humans do, but either way we’re cooking with fire here. We’ve made the planet lighter and changed the O2 content and maybe we’re working with a silico-hydrate base for all our flesh-building purposes and thicken up the air so it’s soupy and bouyant. Heck, maybe we shrink everything we see over on alternia and the trolls themselves a bit, and they’re only depicted as of equal size as humans for story reasons or maybe everything gets resized to a default setting once it enters the medium for convenience’s sake. Whatever, it’s not important cause now comes the problem that I keep running into headlong each time I try to tackle an alternia-like ecosphere. The food web.

Cause, see, the mother grub by her self and trolls as a whole, they’re not a problem. (Well, not until they start taking all those nutrients to space)

The problem is this: Lookit how many giant predators and hyper-predators there are. Lookit this dragon. That is canonically a newborn. She can fly and breathe fire. Lookit this horrorterror. She canonically eats a ton of land and surface dwelling meats and isn’t just subsisting off of chemical vents or something.

All that mass, the energy to go flying off into the sky with extra to (literally) burn? That’s gotta come from somewhere. And on the one hand, we have maybe a partial answer: the sun. Specifically, that it is implied to be extremely hot and strong and maybe close. Not explicit, since Trolls could be unusual in their being nocturnal and even looking at our sun for long will blind a person, but the implications are there and we can run with them to a big, hot, super energy source ripe for the taking. The problem with that is that energy typically doesn’t flow down the food chain very far. We like to think of the food web as being a self-sustaining perpetual motion machine, but that’s just not true. So much energy is lost at each step, often as heat. And then that heat dissipates into the atmosphere and then escapes out into the greater universe. Think about it; how many seeds does a bird have to eat to grow to its adult size, and then to sustain it every day? Then how many birds does a cat have to eat to do the same? And how many cats does a fisher eat, and how many of those does a puma need in its life? It’s a lot. It’s exponential at each step, since a creature must spend so much energy just maintining its daily life and can’t put it all on body growth. And then all of that big long chain has to be sustained on vast quantities of plant matter, who generate their own bodies from the sun. There is of course a secondary chain that “starts” with detrivores like fungus and flies, but is by necessity focused on a much smaller amount of resources than the main chain.

So we’re limited by the following:

- how much energy the sun makes

- the % of that energy that makes it to alternia

- the amount that bounces off alternia or its atmosphere before it can be harvested

- the % of that energy that photosynthesizers can harvest

- the % they can store

- the % they need to live and propegate until they are eaten

- how much the herbivore needs to grow and live and eat and reproduce

- the efficiency with which the herbivore stores the energy gain

- how much the creature that eats the herbivore needs to use

- how much ITS fat can store.

- and so on

We can mess with any and potentially all of the steps in the chain to increase potential length of it and allow more and more massive and widespread superpredators at the end of it. We’ve already started that by increasing the potency of the sun, but each change will have repercussions. For instance, if energy is so widely available then why bother to evolve anything more complicated than photosynthesis itself? I once heard an author say that one needs to have two levels of answers to worldbuild convincingly – to solve the first problem and then to solve the follow-up question. That after that people will be satisfied. Something about fighting nuns. Where did the nun learn to fight? In the sewers. Why was she in the sewers? To fight the crocodiles.

So: We amp up the sun. Why bother evolving herbivory? The sun is too hot and withstanding it is costly and resource-intense. Not everything can be a plant because not everything has the sun-blocking resources, and there is a niche for nocturnal herbivores who don’t have to invest in sun protection. Why carnivory? The sun-block also makes the plants tough and hard to eat and digest; eating meat is relatively quick and easy.

The same thing can be done at other steps. Maybe we make animal life on alternia more efficient: they can do all work of living without creating much waste-heat, and their versions of digestion and fat pack in more calories denser.

But again, the nitty gritty science is not my area of expertise, and these are the questions that can keep me awake at night. What kind of solutions could make the food chain more efficient? What kind of pressures would encourage long food chains, large fat stores, and giant hyper-predators? How can we engineer an environment that will predispose this planet to logically evolving dragons?

[homestuckexamination]

i got a couple of Maryam-related questions. With the implication that Dolorosa was already a rainbow drinker even before being enslaved, what exactly did Dualscar and Mindfang fed to her to at least enough to survive- animal blood? And for Kanaya's lusus, since it's grounds for culling if a charge's custodian dies, what about cases like moth mom's where she died early due to a special biological case?

We actually don't really know IF Rainbowdrinkers need blood to 'survive', but if they do, both Dualscar and the Dolorosa are highbloods who would have 0 scruples or qualms about using lower bloods as resources to keep a Rainbowdrinking Jadeblood around. Hell, with Dualscar being an Orphaner, I wager Lusii are actually more valuable and premium than some Rusty or Two.

Alternia doesn't make exceptions for special circumstances. Alternia is a fucked up tyrannical world. Kanaya just lives off the grid. Hell, the very fact she had a Virgin Mother Grub Lusus at ALL was probably grounds for culling to begin with. That's a valuable Imperial Resource.

[cobblepillar]

[rogue-of-heart-classpecting]

Hellooooo you seem like someone who understands things well, I’m stuck between thief of time and sylph of space for classpecting myself and I was wondering if you could explain those a bit?? No worries if not!! 💖💖

Sure!

THIEF OF TIME

Now the thief… I have been reading the homestuck book 4 with andrews notes in it and vriska’s entire life since day 1 was spent in pursuit of attention. And she’ll get it from anyone she can. A thief of time would be trying to steal as much leisure time for their own purposes as possible from anyone around them. “Can you do my chore for me? Thanks!” “Cover me?” Or they would be stealing with time. And stealing can really mean anything. Sending someone on a goose chase to ransack their house, or monopolizing someone’s time to get information out of them. Just whatever the thief needs at the moment. Later in the game, they would be able to suck years off of others’ lives. And keep those years for themselves. They might be able to freeze people in place and speed themselves up by stealing the person’s normal passage of time and adding it to their own. Thinking up powers is fun because if you can think it and justify it it is yours. A lot of players got their powers by just wondering if they could do it, whether that’s in the parameters of their classpect, and trying it out. And then they can just do that and continue using it forever. This part is particular to the individual. I don’t know what you would want out of time or your powers, but you could think of a way of stealing something that would get you to that goal. The thief is manipulative maybe on a sliding scale, like meenah to vriska. Meenah encourages or prods others into doing her bidding. Vriska manipul8s people by controlling their fucking brain and makes them jump off cliffs or kill their girlfriends etc. This class is well suited to leadership in a boss-like way. Dictatorially (literally, in case of meenah). They are also girlboss. You know what I mean? They’re like… I don’t want to say sassy bc meenah is such a racist depiction already… but you know, they’re charismatic and con man-esque. They’re persuasive. And good orators.

SYLPH OF SPACE

We have a represented classpect here! Let’s take a look at kanaya and then we can talk about universal traits and possible differences. As you know, I share my classpect with nepeta, and I do have a core connection with her behavior and outlook, but I am. Very different from her. But she does help demonstrate what the classpect Can look like. Sylphs are generally backstage of the show. Ignore aranea. She spent like 1000 years being a side character before flipping out. Kanaya usually pulls the strings on more “important” characters, those who act more. She is constantly called meddlesome. However she isn’t really an orchestrator of anything the way a puppet master might be. She’s more like everyone’s conscience. “Are you sure you should be doing this?” “It’s okay to turn back.” That sort of thing. As she progresses through the story she starts taking more and more action. Out of nowhere she comes back from the dead to be the plot point that kills eridan. She gets more serious about her relationship with rose. She eventually makes rose stop drinking when before she could be considered an enabler (not encouraging bad behavior, but allowing it or not stopping it). Sylphs are calm controlled people who encourage growth and healing of their aspect or through their aspect. Now about space. Kanaya designs her own clothes and fashion, but she has a much stronger connection to the idea of a virgin mother. I kind of hate the christ metaphors in homestuck, not because I am Christian, but because I hate Christianity. But she literally has a virgin mother grub as her mother. And her chastity modus… and porrim her ancestor raised the signless like a mother. And he’s. The Jesus guy. Anyway kanaya needs to get the matriorb so she can hatch a new mother grub so trolls can keep being born. And jade bloods are supposed to tend to the mother grub in this parental sort of role with the baby grubs. Like an oldest sister. Kanaya also has this intense desire to auspitice other people to keep them from killing each other, also like an oldest sister. She has this extremely caretaker role in everything she does. And she ends up breeding the frog. Space players don’t necessarily have to be parental or feminine; jade wasn’t really like that, nor calliope. Those are some examples of other space things. Jade actual space and calliope storytelling and creativity. If you are laid back and accepting and likely a passive player (oh god, this is a big concept so ask in the notes if you don’t understand.) and you care about the journey more than the destination, that is what a space player is like.

It sounds like you have the right theme idea with the aspect since you picked out a dichotomy! The important part is asking yourself how you interact with that aspect and which one is more important to you or dictates your life more. Is your life spent in pursuit of “time” or are you someone who cultivates “space”? Are you nurturing or abrasive? Are you goal-oriented or meditative? And most importantly which one do you just straight up like more.

[homestuck-fanauthor-coalition]

The Good, The Bad, and The Alternative (515450 words) by Madam_Melon_Meow, sarcasticcelery

Chapters: 39/? Fandom: Homestuck Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Nepeta Leijon/Equius Zahhak, Sollux Captor/Aradia Megido, Eridan Ampora & Feferi Peixes, Kanaya Maryam & Dave Strider, Rose Lalonde & Rose's Mom | Beta Roxy Lalonde, Dave's Bro | Beta Dirk Strider & Dave Strider, Beta Kids & Beta Trolls, Jade Harley & Rose's Mom | Beta Roxy Lalonde, Dad Egbert & John Egbert, Kanaya Maryam/Vriska Serket, Eridan Ampora/Dave Strider Characters: John Egbert, Rose Lalonde, Dave Strider, Jade Harley, Becquerel (Homestuck), Kanaya Maryam, Vriska Serket, Karkat Vantas, Terezi Pyrope, Aradia Megido, Tavros Nitram, Sollux Captor, Gamzee Makara, Eridan Ampora, Feferi Peixes, Nepeta Leijon, Equius Zahhak, Virgin Mother Grub (Homestuck), Vriska's Lusus, Gl'bgolyb (Homestuck), Dad Egbert, Rose's Mom | Beta Roxy Lalonde, Dave's Bro | Beta Dirk Strider, Aurthour (Homestuck), The Condesce (Homestuck), Serenity (Homestuck) Additional Tags: inspired by Kim Harrison’s The Hollows, Alternate Universe - Urban Fantasy, Humanstuck, Alternate Universe - No Sburb Session, Human Lusii (Homestuck), Alternate Universe - Post-Apocalypse, Demigods, Vampires, multi POV: all beta trolls & humans, The Horrorterrors (Homestuck), Non-Abusive Dave's Bro | Beta Dirk Strider, Long Lost/Secret Relatives, Violence, Magic, Aged-Up Character(s), the kids and trolls range between 16 and 20, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Vriska Serket has PTSD, Memory Loss, Scars, Unhealthy Coping Mechanisms, Plot Twists, Unreliable Narrator, Rose Lalonde and Dave Strider Are Not Related, Skaianet Laboratories, beta guardians are not alpha kids and troll parents are not ancestors, monsterstuck, Break Up, Alcohol Abuse/Alcoholism, Ship Tags Will Update As They Become Relevant, Good Person Gamzee Makara, Suicide Attempt by Proxy, Dissociation, Victim Blaming, Abusive Parents, sexually active teenagers, Underage Drinking Series: Part 1 of Monsterstuck: Suburban Catastrophe Summary: Three years ago, on John Egbert's birthday, the world ended. Three years ago, Jade Harley and Vriska Serket vanished alongside billions of others. Three years ago, the apocalypse arrived, transforming everything and revealing much that was hidden to those who remained. Three years ago, the meteors (mostly!) missed Houston, and that's where John's headed today. In Houston, Rose Lalonde searches for washed-up traces of magic, warily overseen by Kanaya and her old friend Dave. In Texas, the newly dubbed "alternatives" maintain a newfound alliance with the humans they saved--and a wary truce with the Hunter forces that once kept all these creatures of fable and fairytale a secret from the world of man. And here, in Houston, the world is about to change once again. An urban fantasy monsterstuck AU featuring the beta kids, beta trolls, and their guardians. Updates every other Weekend!

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Written by the founder and her fiance (aka our other admin), we are once again boosting this fic to you all! If you are a fan of fantasy stories, if you think rosemary deserves a divorce arc, or if you're a big fan of Vriska being handled with nuance, you should check this out! their blog is @thegoodthebadthealternative

[davekat-sucks]

Spidermon is a more toxic/abusive guardian than Bro. Vriska was forced to kill other trolls to feed her, otherwise she was the one being eaten.

And skyhorse loves his boy! I’m even sure he appreciates their hunting parties to feed Feferi's Lusus!

What are the good and bad guardians for you?

Yeah, Spidermom was more toxic compared to Bro. Skyhorse being abusive or resenting Eridan was only fanon at the time Homestuck was at its peak. People liked to make fun of Eridan because he is a piece of shit, so seahorse dad not liking him is only played up for laughs. It's not to be taken seriously like skyhorse dad not acknowledging his son's real gender. Good guardians would be Dad Egbert, Nanna, Dad Crocker, Poppop, Jade English, Ram Mom, Pounce de Leon, Tinkerbull, Crabdad, Virgin Mother Grub, Dragon Mom, Aurthour, and Skyhorse Dad. Neutral ones are those who could have been good guardians, but circumstances left them to do questionable things or has something they can't control that may appear to be neglectful/abusive/unfair to the child they care for are Mom Lalonde, Bro Strider, Grandpa Harley, Bicyclops, and Gl'bgolyb. We barely know much about Alpha Mom Lalonde and Alpha Bro Strider. But considering the situation that Roxy and Dirk were put in and how they were acting and how if both Dave and Rose maintain their original personalities like their kid counterparts (Dave seeing things as ironic and Rose second-guessing a person's intentions that she has to psycho-analyze everything), it would fall into emotionally neglectful. Ones who are straight up pieces of shit would be Spidermom and Goat Dad.

[simsandchesscrossover]

Vriska: Introduce yourself.

Your name is VRISKA SERKET, and you are THE SAVIOR OF THE TROLL SPECIES. It would be cool if you did it by stopping the apocalypse or something, but instead you have a weird VIRGIN MOTHER GRUB LUSUS and some vague instructions. It doesn’t matter! You’re going to go down in history as THE GREATEST MOTHER GRUB HATCHER EVER, even better than… whoever did it before you. You really hope they don’t make you take care of the WRIGGLERS afterwards.

Alright, so it’s not the most glamorous job. You’re going to make it be. You have plans. Plaaaaaaaans. Many more plans recently, as you can no longer FLARP since Tavros is busy being TOO BIG OF A BABY now and Terezi is… is. Not important!

Every hero loses something along the way. You just wish it hadn’t been her.