#tua s4 negative

[femboypussy420]

i'm as mad as everyone else is that five's entire personality was erased because the showrunner wanted to make aidan gallagher kiss someone, but honestly i'm just as or almost MORE mad that lila's character was completely reduced to being a) a mother (who barely seems to care about her kids at all) and b) a reward for diego and five to fight over. she was such an interesting, fun character, and besides her scene in "book club" she was just. so uninteresting. very little impact to the plot. she had a random unexplained power instead of her own power, that was used for a single gag and then she couldn't figure out how to do for some reason but then as soon as we needed her to she could do it again and also had her other powers. she just did not feel like the same character or a fully realised person with depth, but that's true of pretty much all of them so i don't know why i'm so upset, the writers just clearly did not understand these characters or care at all about them

[femboypussy420]

all of this + there wasn't even a single line for Dave, literally just a shot of the dog tags, as if the writers forgot he even existed and they just shoved that into production last second, what the fuck

Let me get this straight:

- there was no dance number

- barely any good songs

- no mention of the weird Korean ben with the side part

- Sloane and Ray were written off with one (1) line

- sure Ray walked out but why on earth did Sloane disappear if she was there with them in hotel oblivion I guess we’ll never know

- we were told Reggie erased everyone’s memories about Ben’s death but ??? it was physically impossible for him to have erased ghost Ben’s memory. Like, did Ben never discuss that with Klaus? It looks like he didn’t even realize it was Reggie who shot him, did he never ask Klaus how he died? 😭

- they showed us sparrow ben obsessively drawing Jennifer in s3, sort of insinuating he survived the Jennifer incident in the sparrow timeline but he straight up didn’t recognize her at all now? It’s like they were meeting for the first time?

- where did that subway even come from

- um. Five and Lila

- how the hell are their kids alive in the last scene if the siblings never existed

- why the hell are the Swedes and pretty much everyone from the commission there alive at the same time if they were meant to be taken from different time periods and that’s meant to be a true and pure timeline without any time travel whammy

- seriously wasn’t there a scene with an old timey black and white picture of the Swedes they would NOT be there in 2019-2024-whatever-year-it’s-supposed-to-be

- why does grace have a stroller in that last scene whose kid is that

- on that note what’s up with Lila’s family, to me that kind of insinuates all of the 43 WERE born in that timeline but… there’s no mention of any of the children or any of the siblings bio families

- which completely ruins the last plot point of ALL of the marigolds having to be destroyed, please even if the other children weren’t born there they straight up still had a half a jar of marigolds in Diego’s van 😭😭😭

- ALSO what was Abigail’s motivation, am I crazy or did she go like “fuck you reggie for wanting to destroy the world to punish you I am going to destroy the world” ???????

And I’m not even touching the whole Five characterization thing oh my god

[profffessionally-trained-ducky]

it wasnt even character assassination it was a character massacre

[dandelionjack]

2024 kind of an awful year for people who enjoy time travel shows. two disappointing finales in a row what the fuck is this. We need something good stat

[femboypussy420]

@disappointment-comics

this is how i would summarize the entire season

The idea of old subway trains connecting infinite parallel timelines is actually such a cool concept and on brand for the umbrella academy. It’s a shame it was wasted when it could have been one of the main plot lines for the season with Five trying to work out/learn about why the trains had appeared, the impact their existence was having, who put the subway there, more about how time works in the tua universe as well as finding answers to stop the apocalypses from continuing to happen. All before going back to whatever crazy (but somehow related and relevant) side quests his family had been completing at the same time.

[autie-hobbit]

Something I haven't really seen anyone talk about yet is just how dull this season was.

This show's charm was how weird and silly, quirky and fun it was.

It had up-beat songs over brutal fight scenes, dance numbers, scenes that would be serious in other things were filled with jokes and sillyness.

Season 4 was exceedingly dull, boring, unfunny, and took itself far too seriously.

Where are the jokes? The fun? The funky songs? The joy? The sillyness?

And no, playing Baby Shark 5 times is not funny. When I saw David Castañeda mention Baby Shark in his "how would you describe season 4?" I kinda expected them to just, play Baby Shark over a fight scene, which honestly would have been funny, but instead they did- that.

The dullness of the season was immediately apparent to me from the jump, but I forgave it because it was the first episode, and I thought that it was probably just like that because they were setting up were everyone was. But then the rest of the season continued to be that way.

This season feels like it was written by writers that had not seen the previous seasons and were not familiar with the general tone of the show.

[femboypussy420]

why did they think making klaus do noncon sex work was the move

[bluesyjean]

Truly insane to think that two characters who were literally inseparable in s1-2 (Klaus and Ben) share zero one-on-one screen time in s4. Or even seem to care at all about each other before they go on horrible journeys that WoULd have benefitted from a wingman.

Yeah yeah yeah, it’s a different Ben, but by the end of s3 we had Klaus be the one to convince the siblings to give this new asshole-version a chance. They obviously still want to include him in the family. Why did we not have Klaus give a shit when Ben ran off on his own?? WHY was he never even able to find out how HIS Ben died when the rest of them did??? (He SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE for that jfc. Your cartoon mafia characters were not more interesting.)

The choices in s4 are baffling.

Klaus was the key to getting people on board with Sparrow!Ben. It was a horrific choice to remove him from that story so he could have his massively traumatic side quest that had nothing to do with the main plot and I’m mad about it.

[hazelwords]

Random initial thoughts re: season 4 of The Umbrella Academy (er, spoilers obviously!)

Like many fans, I full-body cringed at the love triangle, and I've been thinking how it's not only character assassination but also lazy writing.

Like, for the overarching plot, Five had to somehow get coffee with his other selves and learn about the broken timelines and source of the apocalypses. So there has to be a reason for Five to go off on his own away from his family to end up there. Narratively, this needed to happen towards the end.

So like any good writing, you have a scene in mind and need to create the motivation for the character to behave and speak in the way the story requires. This motivation comes from previous scenes, so writers need to work backwards.

Instead of building Five's motivation any other way or using the established inconsistencies of his time-jumping power to land him where the writers need him, they...make him mopey and lovesick over his sister-in-law with whom he previously had an antagonist relationship and now HAD a relationship???

It's lazy writing—it's a shortcut for characterization and narrative to occur while also ignoring everything else the character represented and stood for.

Help us, fix-it fic writers, you're our only hope.

[swampbrick]

I am pretty sure that Viktor was shot in the arm, and the next scene it's never brought up again??? Bro is just doing everything with bullets in his arm

My idea of a perfect world is one where they took a solid 30-60 seconds away from the Days of Our Lives infidelity side plot to address Viktor’s GSW; even if it was just to show him with bandages around them, to imply that they were treated offscreen.

[femboypussy420]

WHY WAS SHE IN A SQUID

WHY THE FUCK WAS SHE IN A SQUID. WHAT WAS ANY OF THAT.

[weirdwildwonderland]

THOUGHTS ON THE S4 TRAILERRRR

None of this filler post bs anymore my favorite characters are back and here's what I have to say about it.

First of all, I kind of went on hiatus from this show back in January so it feels really weird seeing them on screen again especially since the last time I was so excited for it was literally January 2023 (a year and a half ago) when I binged the whole show.

"Hargreeves Home for Wayward Boys?" What????

FIVE LILA HUG YESSSSS BRO PLATONIC FRENEMIES ASF. BUT DID SOMETHING HAPPEN TO DIEGO???

Klaus breathing into a bag/hanging upside down/doing an actual seance. what is this man. bro seems kinda depressed

DIEGO AND LILA PARENTSSSS??????? YAYYYYYYY

DIEGOLILA KID BDAY PARTY???? ***also I noticed the piñata AND all the women wearing saris, so that's really cool because the kid is growing up with both cultures

"Smile!!!!" "oh god"

ALLISON AND CLAIRE REUNITED YESSSS

wait does that mean ray is also back????

Viktor working at a bar????? And sounding more confident than he's ever been in his life?????

VIKTOR PUNCHING ALLISON IN THE SAME ROOM WHERE THEY HAD THE ACTUAL S3 CONFRONTATION????

Luther????? and the spacesuit?????

Viktor talking to reginald?

What the fuck is that weird rainbow drone thing????

Reginald hold machine gun?

THE BALL PIT IS THE MAIN CHARACTERRR

"This is a rescue mission >:("

BEN IN JAIL

why reginald put headphones on everyone :O

"We drive each other crazy. But when things go to hell, they're there for me." IM CRYINGGGG

Overall I'm so excited for this season. It seems like they're finally together as a family and actually want to be family again (not because of forced proximity or running out of time). Also lots of fun set locations, no covid restrictions, new characters. Holy shit I can't wait I am so excited.

Finally if you're a s4 hater I will be blocking you :)

[rayghosts]

no but the more i think about the five/lila thing, the less sense it makes, because even if you ignore the age gap and the character assassination and everything, why the fuck would they introduce it so late into the final season? normally when a love triangle is added to a story, it's to add enough drama to keep the show going for another 2 or 3 seasons. things would play out the way they did in season 4 and then season 5 would be about five and diego falling out, lila choosing between them, etc. but instead they introduce the love triangle the episode before the finale and then kill them all immediately after. then what was the point??? instead of spending the little time they had tying up all the unresolved conflict in the series before ending it, they chose to add even more conflict and then not resolve any of it before the show is done forever. why even

[golden-redhead]

I agree so much about your post about Five's love story. I know everyone can have a different opinion, but it makes me still sad that some people justify the whole thing because they think both getting lost for many years and feeling lonely, that it made sense for them to get together. That Five craved love after everything he went through. That he changed and also grew apart from his family and already grew tired in s3 to save the world.

You know? Five could at least feel guilty. Realize it was wrong. But no, he even got mad and insulted Diego when he had no right to. Like, our Five seriously got pissed that his BROTHER got mad at him that he had an affair with his WIFE he had three kids with? The disrespect was insane and so out of character.

And for what? Getting his heart broken twice. Lila telling him it was survival, like she only used him. Then getting told it's over when he and Diego fight. Yeah, great love story you added there, Steve.

I feel like many people try to justify it as a perfectly normal response to years of isolation and being stranded together which technically is a valid point? But they also forget that this literally didn't have to happen. At all. It was a bizarre subplot that only leads to heartbreak and tension between the characters. And just as they say their final goodbye, too. It was written with no hope for future or resolution. I am still so shocked that they not only came up with this idea but also followed through with it and actually made it canon.

And I agree, Five's total lack of remorse is so wildly out of character, especially since even though he can be hot-headed, he's not emotionally stunted to the point of not understanding that Diego is perfectly in his right to be furious. Him fighting and threatening Diego after his betrayal doesn't make sense and just makes it impossible for the audience to sympathize with him.

I also hate the implication that because Five HAD TO have a love story, then Lila is... well, basically some sort of consolation prize?? Because she was the closest woman available to turn into a love interest? There's this one post pointing out that the badass assassin Lila was bored with her domestic life with Diego, so she became Five's cottagecore wife which is honestly the best possible way to put just how out of character it was for her as well. And Diego... I've seen someone half-joking that maybe the actor and showrunners had some kind of beef, because this season legit goes out of its way to humiliate Diego. Between the fatshaming, his fights with Lila and basically turning him into a comic relief character devoid of substance... Well, I can't help but wonder if there's something to this theory.

Also, shameless self-promotion, but I actually made a video ranting about what this season did to Five, so you can check it out here for more of my thoughts!

[femboypussy420]

Yeah exactly. Once again asking if they rewatched their own show before creating the new season. It makes no sense.

Luther Hargreaves already had superpower when he was given the monkey gene to be saved... so it makes no sense that an unpowered Luther, given a dose of marigold, would automatically get gorilla like to have his powers. His power and his gorilla like looks are not related.

[geek-and-nerd-are-not-the-same]

Spoilers spoilers spoilers! Do not read if you haven’t finished the umbrella academy!

you know what really pissed me off about S4? Not that fucking ending which was fucking STUPID!!!!! (Yes, I’m pissed.) Or what about the fact that Luther (& the director!!) made a big fucking deal about how Sloane was missing and he was going to find her only for there to be no fucking follow through!! And don’t even get me STARTED on that whole strawberries affair all of a sudden like 2/3rds of the way in!!!

Allison made a big fucking stink about wanting her daughter AND 60’s husband, and he literally ran out on her????? Like high five Klaus for stepping up and being dad of the year, but my god! All of their lives were upheaved and ruined (granted, I know, they at least were ALIVE!

but point remains…)

wtf was the point of S3’s ending and everything they were hinting at if S4’s ending is what we were going to get?