#transmisandry babies

[0w0tsuki]

Both "Transandrophobia" and "Transmisandry" come before "Transmisoginy" when you search for it, with"Transandrophobia" being one of the top results when you type in "trans" into the search bar. The average post from the top Transandrophobia blogs where they Critique and Analyze cropped screen caps of transfem's posts behind their back will get thousands of notes of praise for RATIONAL and REASONABLE they are for speculating that a throwaway line about "trans girls taking the piss" is actually a joke in direct reference to an anon led sexual harassment campaign of a trans man.

And due to the new tagging policy all that's needed is to mention the word for it to come up in the tags. Which has resulted in half of the #transmisoginy tag being mired with trans androbros crying about how their not transmisoginists, or that they're affected by transmisoginy, or that TME/TMA distinctions are just interagating them about their genitals. Which is by the way AFTER I've used the notes of the posts by the aforementioned top transandro blogs as a blocklist to block these chuds by the thousands. I STILL have to to sift through trans andro post after transandro posts to find a post discussing transmisoginy IN THE GOD DAMN TRANSMISOGINY TAG!

It's been nearly half a year since @/humans announced that they were "working vewwy had :(" to unban the #tgirl tag when they've proved that they can unban tags within a week. Meanwhile the #tboy tag was never flagged to begin with. Hell. Trans women can't even post a selfie in the #transisbeautiful tag without risking attracting the attention of sissy porn chaser blogs.

And EVERYTIME we point out transmisoginy whether it's the "megapope was right" discourse, calls to "critique" gender affirming care for transfems under the pretense that it affirms the patriarchy, obvious "best of both worlds " trap jokes, or a crossdressing cis femboy streamer being treated Height of Gender™ who "no one else does it like". EVERY TIME we point this shit out we are met with condescending TMEs treating it as the Transfem Crusade of the week. Who belittle, talk down to us, and position themselves as the educator to us aabout our own oppression. Who tell us that we are taking things out of context, that were overreacting, that we don't have any reading comprehension, that we don't understand basic theory, and that we're just looking for anything to be angry about.

But no keep crying about how trans men are ignored and talked over meanwhile transwomen are overprioritized and "dominate" the trans conversation. Because surely we haven't been told enough about how we take up too much space.

[genderstarbucks]

Acknowledging that transandrophobia exists is not us denying that transmisogyny exists

If you believe in transmisogyny but not transmisandry, why? Give me an actual GOOD reason

Transandrophobia is just a word to describe the shit that us trans men and transmascs go through, it says nothing about our thoughts on transmisogyny

I am a "transandrophobia truther" because I believe that transphobia specifically directed towards trans man and transmascs exist.

Yes, I do believe in transmisogyny because trans women and transfems DO face transphobia specifically for being women and fem

But I also believe that transandrophobia exists, because it fucking does

Yes, we're both trans but we face different kinds of discrimination

Transandrophobia is literally just a word describing the hate that trans men and transmascs face, just like transmisogyny is literally just a word describing the hate that trans women and transfems face

I'm tired of you people believing that trans men and transmascs don't face any oppression and are generally accepted

WE FUCKING AREN'T, ALL THESE LAWS BEING PASSED AFFECTS US TRANS MEN AND TRANSMASCS TOO

Trans men and transmascs are not seen as the "more acceptable" way to be trans

We're told:

- testosterone is a poison and will make us bad pepple

- we're transitioning to the "bad side"

- we're just little girls making "bad" decisions

We're also:

- treated as little white twinks

- treated as fucking babies

- seen as "transtrenders" if we're still femme in any way

- seen as dangerous if we're too manly or masculine

- treated as "not real men" if we menstruate, get pregnant or do anything of the sort

We're told time and time again that our identities aren't important and that the discrimination we face isn't real and that our existence just means we're transmisogynistic

How do you think we feel?

It's even worse when shit like this comes from our own community

[smallhorizons]

I find it very interesting when people who vehemently deny or belittle the existence of transmisandry/transandrophobia/anti-transmasculinity (whatever phrase you prefer) … do believe in butchphobia and talk about specific anti-butch oppression & prejudice

How do you not understand that anti-transmasculinity & butchphobia are Basically the Same Thing? How can you acknowledge the need for there to be a specific word for butches to talk about their oppression, but accuse trans men of being whiny babies or men’s rights activists for trying to coin a word to describe their (extremely similar!!) experiences

How do you not understand that anti-transmasculinity & butchphobia are overlapping circles on a Venn diagram?

I genuinely do not understand the thought process here

[sorin-sunchild]

I love being on T! I love how it helped me! And you know what? Everyone is so different!

Painful bottom growth? Mood swings? Aggression? I didn't get that and neither did my partner!

Everyone is so so different so you might not even get the side effect you're being made to fear and if you do? Brother, you've got a community here to support you.

I am not a danger to anyone because I'm a man, in fact that's been situations where people including kids and women felt more secure around me because I was a man. If you're a good person then you can break stereotypes around men and anyone with high T/T dominant bodies tbh and most people respond to that and don't care you're a man anyway!

I love being hairy! I love that I can switch between handsome and cute by shaving! I love my new voice, it's not super deep but the tone is much nicer now and T did that!

T made me feel more energised! It made me feel stronger! And gooooodbye menstruation!!

And you know what? I love being fat and hairy. Why can't I be a cub/bear? But I also know trans men who are twinks or buff. Gosh, T makes so many handsome and cute people happen!

I look in the mirror and I see a dude and that dude is me and wow??? Thank you Testosterone!!

let trans men&mascs romanticize testosterone.

keep your “you’re not going to look like an anime boy or whatever, you’re just going to look like your dad” to yourself.

keep your “but what about the balding and the acne and the anger problems and the gross hair everywhere and the horrible painful bottom growth and and and” to yourself.

keep your “once you look like a man you will scare people and you can never stop thinking about that” to yourself.

keep your “testosterone is poison and don’t you dare even suggest that saying that might hurt you” to yourself.

we are not obligated to take on your fears and traumas around testosterone as our own, nor are we obligated to let them influence our relationship with it.

we are not obligated to sit here in a world that heavily restricts and constantly threatens our access to it and listen silently as you contribute to stigma around it.

we’re already tired of watching cis society as a whole try to rip it away from us; we don’t need fellow trans people and supposed allies giving credence to their cause.

for many of us testosterone is life-saving medicine, it’s liquid gold, it’s the nectar and ambrosia of the fucking gods.

is it so hard to just let us have that? to let us believe that and say it and celebrate it without being given a million reasons to question it? is that really too much to ask?

if you can find it in your heart to let other trans people romanticize their transitions, i promise you can let us do it to.

testosterone is a beautiful thing. it makes people hotter and even more importantly it makes them happier and anyone who wants it should be able to have it because it’s so life-changing and magical and wonderful and incredibly important to so many people who deserve the happiness it offers.

[paintedhyenadogs]

People so easily out specifically trans man related Transphobia as general Transphobia it's kinda weird to me. Past that, yall either demonize or see us as widdle bby men who can do no wrong. It's we're just like shitty men or we're babies. It's like this with terfs and transphobes too.

Transandrophobia and Transmisandry exists. Just as Transmisogyny No it doesn't mean Misandry exists or is just as bad as misogyny, no it doesn't mean we are MRA's. Trans men, like all types of trans people, will experience things (including HATE by terfs or other queers or trannies) that are unique to us. We experience misogyny, but we also experience transmisandry. If you can't understand that, learn.

This especially applies to other trans people. We are your fellow trans siblings, and you are fellow family. We aren't against eachother. We are on the same side, fighting the same fight.

[dreamyintersexouppy]

honestly i think there’s a social damage to this constant transmisogynistic “discourse” that gets ignored a bit cuz like… the young (this isn’t a dig i check y’all’s ages youre Babies half the time) transmascs who participate in it are being closed off to an understanding of themselves and their position in society that they should rightly understand. them being ignorant of how gender and sex works and how society is structured to enforce its systems makes them unprepared to face their own oppression. and no i don’t mean transmisandry. considering it, or whatever other name you have for it, is just a transmisogynist smokescreen it lacks the framework for understanding and teaching about actual transphobia faced by transmascs and it does it’s ill gained followers a disservice simply by existing as a replacement for actual history and theory. it’s not a big deal cuz the primary danger of the people subscribing to these beliefs is the threat they pose to transfems in their vitriolic harassment campaigns and constant attempts at redefining us out of existence, but i have no doubt there will be a day where these boys will have to grapple with the fact that they lost years to believing in and advocating for these damaging ideas. they’ll have spent years in social circles that are kept together by fear and threats, they’ll have let themselves be walked over by the cis people who glom on to this rhetoric to excuse their own transphobia and hatred, they’ll have to realize that they’ve been lost and for a long long time and that it will take effort and even more time to dig themselves out and it won’t be kind to them. not all of them will hit that realization i know, but a lot of them will and how will they cope without their brothers and sisters to support them when they finally do, i just don’t know

[gaphic]

frankly the only problem with the term ‘transandrophobia’ is that it should be transmisandry, both linguistically and because it’s easier to spell and say, but we can’t call it that because a lot of simpering baby brains would take one look and say ‘um misandry isn’t REAL’

[0w0tsuki]

Didn't you know that TransUnity is when you go around collecting screenshots of trans folks and put them side by side with literal actual fascists and call transwomen who are against this TERFs?

This surely ISN'T infighting itself and is what's needed to mend the divide in the trans community.

[degenderates]

transphobia specifically directed at trans men and transmasculine people is not transmisandry. it's not transandrophobia. there is specific oppression that trans men face, but it's not because we're men or masculine, as those two words imply. it's just fucking misogyny. "young girls are being brainwashed/groomed into being trans" = misogyny. "trans men with mental illnesses can't really know if they're trans or not" = assumes people they see as girls can't make their own decisions = infantilization of women = misogyny. "transmascs over-masculinize themselves to fit in" = demonizes gender transgression of anyone assigned female at birth = misogyny. "what if they decide to detransition and can't have children?/testosterone can cause infertility/testosterone can cause irreversible changes" = sees people with uteruses as vessels for babies and the patriarchy = misogyny.

internet trans discourse is stupid and i just want to shake people by the shoulders and scream that both sides of the "transandrophobia" debate are so fucking reductive. all of the above rhetoric is alive and well and the cause of a shit ton of anti-trans legislation, sentiment, and violence both nationally (US) and internationally, and i'm tired of people who aren't transmasculine acting like trans men automatically have male privilege just because we identify as men now. it doesn't change how cis ppl see us, and even if a guy has been on hormones for awhile, he's still affected by reproductive laws (hmm...correlation in US legislation/rights anyone?), as one example. this of course doesn't mean trans men can't have male privilege, but it's not the universal sticker of "this person is a man and therefore doesn't face x" that cis men have.

personally i am not a fan of the way "transmisogyny" is used as a specifier, because from what i've seen, the oppression that trans women and men (and nonbinary people, especially those who do hormones or surgeries), though different, all stems from misogyny. transphobia itself stems from misogyny. i don't like how "transmisogyny"--and especially its derivatives, tme/tma--imply that trans men somehow face less oppression than trans women. we are all one group and the insistence on dividing us into this ridiculous binary, one that is supposedly, to internet queers, the greatest divide when it comes to types of transphobia, erases factors like race and disability that i think have much more of a sway on how likely it is that a trans person will be a target. you think a black trans man transitioning now means he'll somehow be safer than a white trans woman? really????

before y'all turn this into the pancake waffle thing, i'm not saying the word transmisogyny is bad or that we shouldn't talk about the intersectionality of being trans and a woman. but the way the trans community, and by extension, the cis queer community, talks about it as if trans women are the only ones that are women, seen as women, feel connected to womanhood, adjacent to womanhood, and face all the misogyny related to those things is frankly one of the stupidest progressions of queer theory i've ever seen. intersectionality of gender identity, transness, and sexuality is so complicated, fluid, and personal in a way that a gender/sexuality intersection with race, disability, or class is not. while there are threads of connection between all of these things, the two "types" of gendered oppression, misogyny and transphobia, are so closely tied together and smushed together within the meaning of gender that efforts to put clear-cut terms and frameworks of intersectionality within that little shaken-up cocktail is going to be fruitless.

and y'alls insistence on doing so, trying to dumb everything down into rules that don't always apply and definitely don't match up with the way the actual world treats trans people, drives me fucking crazy.

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[necronatural]

am i seriously seeing transmisandry discourse on tumblr on top of twitter. like its some ambiguous exclusionary epidemic??

i will tell you now in no uncertain terms: everyone likes bullying these guys because they are misogynists, and often transmisogynist. thats it. the word naturally attracts dudes who are annoyed when women are centred and other women have noticed how often this happens and make fun of them for it.

Yes, it's really unfair when people assume you're one of these misogynists without listening to your perfectly salient points. It sucks. But you aren't going to get any further in the discussion by accusing them with "so you're minimizing trans men?" like no baby they're minimizing the guy who's favourite slur is baeddel. The problem is that they have unfairly associated you with that dude. Start there.

[catgirlforeskin]

I feel like you saying that transfems somehow experience this godly level of oppression that trans men won't ever understand is really ignorant and childish in the face of the very real experiences we have? Like.

I didn't end up in online sex work where I was taken advantage of and praised specifically for being transmasc for u to say that. People specifically used me and my trans body as a way to alleviate their guilt for sexually abusing a 14 year old because I wasn't a girl (but not a boy because that makes me too human, acknowledging what i actually am, that I'm anything more than a goddamn fuckdoll.) They fetishized me for being a subhuman tranny and they convinced me that it was totally kinky and cute to call me transphobic slurs during e-sex and blackmail me into telling them my deadname. I've sat through degrading comments from family members asking about my reproductive system with the invasiveness of a doctor and Ive been harrassed by every member of my family about the "irreversible damage" and I've watched the biggest fucking public figures talk about me like I'm a baby and tear away my transition opportunities one by one.

I'm fat and disabled and I'm in constant fucking pain but doctors haven't taken me seriously, and it was even less so when I came out. I have not gone through this fucking hell for you to be a whiny shitass. You are a goddamned adult, act like one.

I like your blog, I think you're funny and I'm sure we'd get along great irl but this is not the shit and you need to cut it out. You need to realize that hurting your trans brothers like this gets you nowhere. Trans people need each other.

I need you to realize how triggering it is for a trans man to read your blog and see the stuff you say about us. it is dehumanizing and gross and you're contributing to transphobia, whether or not you like it.

I enjoy how all your jabs on me are done in the most paternalistic way possible, was your transition goal “shitty dad”?

Not really sure what sparked this, feel like I haven’t talked about transphobia at all in a while on here, and when I have never once said trans men don’t experience transphobia, I’m genuinely sorry those things happened to you, though it’s also weird for you to drop all that in my inbox. I’d rather not strangers tell me in intimate detail everything bad they’ve ever experienced, including sexual violence, for the sake of an argument, y’know?

Is this because I’ve spoken out about transmisandry and its variants not being terms people should use, and those posts are circulating again or somethin? I’m more confused than anything

[omegawizardposting]

The transandrophobia debate is batshit to me. The fact that other trans folk are so angry at transmascs for coining terms that help us discuss our oppression--absolutely mad. We are being raped and beaten to death and denied reproductive rights and facing medical discrimination, but because we're men, we aren't allowed to talk about it.

They say, "Well, transandrophobia is a bad term! Try something else!" We've already tried everything. Y'all didn't like transmisandry. Y'all don't like anti-transmasculinity. Y'all don't like transandrophobia. Y'all don't like transandromisia. Nothing will satisfy y'all.

They say, "Well, transandrophobia was coined by a bad person!" You mean the trans POC who faced a massive harassment campaign for daring to have a sexuality in private? For daring to indulge a transfem partner's "problematic" kink? For daring to talk about transmasc issues? Y'all hunted down the guy's PRIVATE KINK BLOG and MADE HIS PRIVATE CONSENSUAL SEXUAL INTERACTIONS public. Y'all did this so y'all could shut down discussions of transmasc oppression. Y'all needed dirt on him to delegitimize our latest attempt at trying to draw attention to our suffering.

They say, "Well, actually, it's just transphobia and misogyny!" Then let us use transmisogyny. You don't like that either, though. That word is for transfems only. I want to know what I should call the medical discrimination trans men experience for being men. How we can be forced to detransition to have a child OR to have an abortion. How gynecologists refuse us treatment because we aren't women. How Republicans used us to strip away reproductive rights for all AFAB people, pointing to us as examples of lost lambs who need a good cis man to put a baby in us.

What should I call all of that? What should I call it when people hate me for not being a cis woman? When my manhood and masculinity is what makes them despise me? When being a man is what makes me trans?

I know the answer. You don't want me to call it anything. You want me to shut up and sit down like a good girl boy.

[sunset-synthetica]

See like. Obviously the transphobia transmascs experience IS different to transfems and I think that specifically the like. infantilization and "oh you're just confused" and "my little baby uwu" bullshit we go through is an important topic to discuss.

but transmisandry/transandrophobia/whatever else completely misses the point because the term transMISOYGNY exists due to the intersection of misogyny and transphobia that affects transfems, where as transmascs get like. "I hate all men" thrown at them occasionally. which still sucks but it's not comparable.

[gwemmieee]

I think there's a real problem of getting lost in the weeds of terminology.

There are real issues of transphobia happening to trans mascs (or people who are perceived as trans masc as in this particular case) and a lot of it happens because of preconceptions about masculinity. For that reason, plenty of people want to call it transandrophobia or transmisandry. I think that is fair. Trans mascs deserve to have an easy way to refer to directly to experiences of oppression that are unique to them.

There is also a real intersection of transphobia and misogyny that affects trans fems, transmisogyny. It is very standard and institutionalized. We get a lot of bonus oppression because of the way that our existence doesn't just challenge gender, but also challenges the patriarchy directly, because we are choosing to "downgrade" in its view. All trans people struggle with frequently being dehumanized, but while trans mascs struggle with being respected and let into feminine spaces, trans fems struggle with ever being allowed to exist in any spaces at all without immediate erasure and ostracization. We are starting to form our own very downtrodden communities in fringe places like tumblr, but we're still mostly never given the chance to grow up, have friends, find success, etc. It's all-encompassing, and it's suffocating, and it happens especially because we are a gender that usually cannot find success or safety without direct intervention and support from good parents or allies, and even when we do, it is forever by the grace of people who have the power to abuse and control us, and at the same time, we are usually barred from even being fully seen or treated as that gender, which nearly erases any access to support we otherwise might have had. And even in trans spaces, we are heavily muted and controlled by severe pressure--that is often especially enforced by trans mascs--to always be perfect, stable, reasonable, and to never be the crazy trans woman who gets ostracized for having feelings and trust issues. For that reason, plenty of people want to maintain a distinction between the hightened and more institutionalized struggles resulting from transmisogyny. I think that is also fair. Trans fems deserve to be recognized and supported for the extreme and all-encompassing levels of dehumanization that we tend to face from literally everyone else in our lives, unless we're lucky enough to have great parents or a real ally as a close friend.

So here's where I'm at. If a trans masc wants to talk about their own problems and have a word for it they picked, that's totally fine. None of us should have a problem with that. It's great to be able to acknowledge your own struggles. However, if a trans masc wants to hold any baby trans fem to an unreasonably high standard of always knowing what is and isn't OK to say, and what feelings are not OK to voice, instead of engaging in good faith and trying to hear them, validate them, educate them, and NOT control them, that's kinda fucked up. Let the understanding between us focus on reality and each other's feelings. We do not need to practice perfect usage of terminology in every setting. And we do not need to make inflammatory statements about what forms of oppression are and are not real. Transphobic behavior over preconceptions about masculinity--transmisandry--is a real thing that happens.

"Transandrophobia isn't real"

A few years back my grandparents and I wanted to see a gynecologist for reasons, I was under 18, but every gynecologist that worked with minors refused to take trans boys. I haven't had a single bit of medical transition unless you count birth control. I have a vagina and boobs. Everything about my body is female but I was denied care because my hair was short and I had a deeper voice.

And when I tried explaining this to a transphobe they went "Well yeah they don't want mentally ill people"

My exclusion was based off of me being too masculine. Y'know, the thing that transandrophobes claim doesn't exist?

Transmascs go through the same shit transfems do. Transandrophobes need to stop shitting on us to feel superior and get a fucking life.

[0w0tsuki]

"Cis radfems who aren't TERFs" hmmm I wonder what purpose you have to try and delineate radfeminism from TERFism and pretend they aren't the same. Perhaps it's because you're a transmisoginist looking to label trans women as TERFs without directly doing so? So you can call any Transfem who doesn't kiss the ground you walk on (or kisses it in a way that's not to your liking) a Radfem and throw your hands in the air "I'm not calling her a Terf" when you get called out for labeling us as the literal hate movement that wants us DEAD!?