#trans inclusionary feminist

[girliemenace]

You hate trans men because they’re trans (unbased + cringe)

I hate trans men because they’re men (based + pinkpilled + femcelpilled)

[transirfanon]

(AGP) Trans women and how they see women and themselves?

A pattern I've noticed recently is that when some trans women would make a persona of themselves, it's very much porn fueled. Now I think this is because due to their agp, they make themselves what their attracted to and what they're attracted has been influenced by the misogynistic porn industry. Here are some random example below.

Cis female V-tubers types do similar things, and it still disgusts me, but I believe it's because theirs are meant to appeal to their predominately male audiences while these examples (who are not all v-tubers) don't really *have* an audience at all or of that sort, but they're sexy because they are meant to appeal to themselves and that worries me because this is not a good way to view women, though you yourself may be a one. (One of these claims to be a huge feminist, can you guess which one?)

[theenbyroiderer]

This 4B/6B/6B4T/4A movement making strides since the US election results came in is making me have thoughts.

I'm all for it in theory. As a childfree self-partnered aroace it's kinda my normal mo. But like, it so easily hides or glides into transphobia. As I understand it it's a radical feminist movement from the start... and maybe Korean radfems don't have the same hangups re: trans people... or maybe they do. Idk. But anyway, while there are some radical feminists that are explicitly trans inclusionary, those are rather few and far between. Gender essentialism tends to be a pillar in the radfem framework.

I'm worried that this movement might become a terf pipeline for women who, rather rightfully, find the main idea if it appealing. So, if you are a woman, or otherwise the owner of a uterus, and want to join this movement... be mindful and look out for any hidden (or blatant) transphobia. If you see it, call it out. Don't accept it because you think it's for the greater good or some shit.

Also, this movement tends to ignore that nonbinary people exist, and that's a major red flag tbh. Most of the groups popping up on Facebook are 'women only', not 'no cis men'...

[newwavesylviaplath]

okay yall warning angry feminist alert!!! this might actually be somewhat controversial so i might take it down later depending on how i feel and also im not gonna delete comments just cuz i disagree with them but i will get rid of the ones i find disrespectful. this is my blog if u don't like block and move on 🫶🫶🫶🫶

there is nothing on earth that i hate more than woke feminism. makes my blood boil actually! i also hate how terfs and radfems are so intrinsically linked. i don't want to hear anything about 'oh well if you're a radfem you MUST be transphobic they're the same thing!!' they are not! that's why the term 'trans exclusionary radical feminist' exists. because regular radical feminists are not trans exclusionary. however pointing out the differences between trans issues and cis issues is 100% important to radical feminism. just because we're acknowledging that trans women do not face all of the same issues as cis women do does not mean trans women aren't women. for example, there are certain experiences i will never face as a white woman - i can empathize and do my best to listen to my peers - but i will never fully understand the things women of colour are put through, because i am not one. however just because we haven't had the exact same experiences as eachother does not make either of us 'less of a woman' than the other. trans women will never go through certain experiences that cis women do and it is important for us to talk about that. however, we still share a lot of the same issues and pretending like we both go through life experiencing the exact same biases is willfully ignorant.

not to mention!! being a woman is not just about the suffering we go through. and terfs that claim trans women aren't real women clearly view the idea of womanhood as nothing more than an inconvenience when at the end of the day it's truly a beautiful thing.

ps to anyone who wants to argue with me abt the whole 'radfems are inherently terfs' thing; it's a known fact andrea dworkin (one of the most prolific writers of radfem theory) was supportive of trans ppl while she was alive and her good friend/life partner john stoltenberg came out after her death stating that she was a trans INCLUSIONARY radfem

[nothorses]

Hello there, I found on my tl this post presenting a different view on "baeddelism" from the perspective of a trans woman that claims that she was actually there when the og group existed and explains why the word has become somewhat of a transmisogynistic slur. And I wanted to ask you If you might have any thoughs on this reading of the subject matter?

www.tumblr.com/euniexenoblade/741692501713387520/anyways-baeddel-is-a-slur-against-trans-women

I mean, I think there's merit to the idea that calling people "baeddels" when they don't actually claim to be one themselves is at best counterproductive. The term refers less to A General Ideology, and more to a very specific movement- or, more accurately, two unrelated-but-similar movements that happened in the early/mid 2010's.

There's a term for what folks are usually talking about when they call some random trans woman a "baeddel" when she says she believes trans men oppress trans women: "TIRF", or trans-inclusionary radical feminist. It's a term that was coined by people who call themselves by it, and it's a lot more broad & generally useful here. It doesn't come with ties to a group that dissolved because of sexual assault allegations & rape apologism, and it isn't rooted in an Old English slur, which means it's a lot less charged. It's less likely to get people to shut down or laugh your whole point off because of how clear it is that you aren't listening to or engaging in anything they have to say with good faith.

So yes, I agree, calling random people "baeddels" is not in good taste. Don't do it. "TIRF" exists, it's more accurate, and it's less likely to hurt your argument anyway.

That said.

I take issue with the implication that:

a) Baeddels were tiny and utterly non-influential (therefore all references to them at this point are malicious exaggerations and bogeymen), and

b) Everyone self-describing as a "baeddel" today is actually just reclaiming a slur, exactly like people do with "tranny" and "faggot".

Baeddels (on Tumblr; again, there was a "baeddel" movement on Facebook at the time as well, but it was unrelated and ideologically distinct) were not so small that they had no impact, and to characterize them as widely unpopular- or, worse, influential only in that everyone hated them so much that alt-right bigots immediately revived "baeddel"s original meaning as a slur to in order to victimize all trans women- should immediately ping some alarm bells.

Baeddelism's core ideology centered around the idea that trans women are the most oppressed group, that transmisogyny is the root of all oppression, that trans women are always victimized, never safe, never understood, except around and by exclusively other trans women. This sucks, because there is very real oppression and trauma being preyed on here; trans women are encouraged to be paranoid and distrustful of anyone different from them, and their own experiences with oppression are weaponized against them in order to do so. This should remind you of the recruitment tactics cis radfems use.

That aside, there are some places where baeddelism's influence has been documented: @baeddel-txt is one example. Note that a lot of the posts archived there are recent. Here's one of the original crew, still active and spewing the same shit. Baeddelism has been experiencing something of a renaissance in recent years, too. Here's one of the original (ex-)baeddels talking about it as recently as 2021.

This is not "reclaiming a slur", these people are referring very explicitly to the original ideology & the desire, or observed desire, for that same movement to be brought back in the present day.

Does that make every TIRF-y trans woman a baeddel?

No!

But it is incredibly, and suspiciously disingenuous to deny the harm they caused, the influence they had, and the admiration people still hold for their ideology. And it is downright ahistorical to claim that the term is now, or was at the time that the group was most popular, used genuinely as a slur (sources, I am begging you).

Do not call people "baeddels" unless they're claiming the word for themselves. Do not allow anyone to make you think, even for a moment, that transfeminine people are The Enemy; they do not oppress us, they do not benefit from our oppression, and the vast majority of them are not interested in any kind of lateral violence against us in the first place. They are our allies. Do not forget that they are our allies.

Forgetting that trans people are each other's best allies is what lead to baeddelism in the first place. We need each other. Things can only improve for any of us if we fight for each other. Don't let resentment sabotage you- or hurt our trans siblings.

[velvetvexations]

It's frustrating when any radical feminism is called out in trans circles, the whole thing is "well since I'm trans I can't be a TERF"!!! Like, transmisogyny is not the only thing TERFS and radical feminists preach?? Like if you're anti sex work, anti kink, anti bodily autonomy for any kind of transition or sex, think men (whoever the individual bigot defines as such) are genetically predisposed to evil, think women (whoever the individual bigot defines as such) are predisposed to good, and anti-ace/aro people, like one or two differences in opinion will not preclude you from radical feminism. Idk, out of the "trans inclusionary" radical feminists, I feel as though you either fall hard into transmisogyny or transandrophobia.

But a lot of the people who believe in all the same things as the normal strain of radical feminism but support trans women just,, only seem to think that transmisogyny is what TERFs preach?

Also like lowkey I never understood the Shinigami eyes extension because TERF dogwhistles are kinda easy to spot and easy to check. Like, overly judgmental of a random woman? Overly judgmental of a random man? Seems to think x kink is evil? Implying porn is disgusting and evil (without any actual criticisms of the industry, just talking about it inherently)? Weird about ace/aro people and their attraction or lack thereof? Wow! Probably a terf.

I think there is some issue with "OP is a TERF" that made shinigami eyes appealing for a lot of people. I once saw someone make a really good point about how a theater production that sexualizes nuns is not progressive for sexualizing women who don't want to be sexualized, but whoops, OP was a TERF. Often moral rationality is not an issue of logical reasoning as it is motivation. For instance, I also saw a tankie shitheel give a pretty good rundown of Chiquita's bullshit in Central and Southern America. In both cases, Bad Group A was opposed to Bad Group B, whether that be imperialism or the patriarchy, so they can call out legitimate issues when they want to before going right back to complete bullshit and supporting their own evil shit.

But absolutely no one actually knows what TERFs are anymore because they do think it's literally all just hating trans women and are incapable of connecting the dots between TERFs and second-wave feminism, and realizing that they have a whole suite of beliefs that goes beyond that. It's partly obscured nowadays for exactly the reason that they'll often be aimed at cis men, which TRFs simply don't count as evidence of them hating men because of course you should be against like, Cis Male Celebrity Getting #MeToo'd, as though the issue with TERFs isn't that they see that and trans people as being products of the same patriarchal system because their view of the entire world is warped.

Especially funny is the claim that you can't call TRFs TRFs because they don't self-identify as TRFs. I mean, even putting aside Talia Bhatt's book, we have a very famous meme of Sonic the Hedgehog telling TERFs to fuck off for using that exact same "that's just a slur to silence me" argument. Like, no! You may not recognize what you're saying is nearly identical to everything TERFs say just because you add "trans" behind "women," but that's a you problem!

[pinkhutia]

when people isolate de beauvoir or wollstonecraft or whoever quotes to prove feminism has always been inherently and explicitly trans inclusionary it's like..... don't be shy, put that quote in its wider context. explain the ideological bases for their theories. explain how early feminist thinkers differentiated sex from gender, and be sure to use several quotes from throughout the texts to support your argument. make sure to dedicate at least one paragraph to counterarguments. you will have 1hr 45mins for this exam, no.2 pencil only. your time starts now

[crimsonender]

I’ve never heard the word Baeddel (Bæddel?) before, would you mind clarifying what it means? Google tells me it’s a slur for intersex people, so I wanted to ask directly /gen

Baeddel is a term that a group of "Trans Inclusionary Radical Feminists" claimed for themselves around 2016. To break this down a little bit:

Radical Feminists came about in the 60s and 70s and believed that Men are not only socially pressured to oppress and dominate women, but biologically disposed to do so as well, because women give birth.

TERF/Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists are simply doubling down on this fact, but all true Radical Feminists are Trans Exclusionary by the nature of their true belief. This is just highlighting the fact from a Transfeminist perspective.

Trans Inclusionary Radical Feminist is something that started going around in 2015ish as an attempt oppose TERFism, but it was always doomed to fail for reasons stated above.

Baeddels are a sect of these people that delibrately hate trans men. There are a few core ideologies of the movement:

Nonbinary people aren't really a thing. Assigned male nonbinary people are just trans women that haven't committed yet. Assigned female nonbinary people are either cis women or trans men depending on how they dress or what their body looks like.

The gender heirchy from Radical Feminism makes a return with Trans Women at the bottom as the most oppressed, and transmisogny as the root of all oppression, including racism and antisemitism.

All cis men are potential trans women you have to convince. Being trans is kinda like political lesbianism to these people.

Women are privileged to be assigned female at birth.

Trans men are traitors and the most oppressive as people that had the privilege of being assigned female at birth but threw it away to become the unenlightened and regressive gender.

Some of them even believed things like trans men should be incubators for the babies of trans women. No I'm not joking.

The upper echelons of the Baeddel group turned out to be a sex cult preying on young vulnerable trans women. Once again, no I'm not joking.

The movement dissolved for a good five or six years after that came to light. There is now a new wave of idiots trying to revive it.

[tommyssupercoolblog]

How to spot TERFs (and radical feminists in general):

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MISGENDERING AND TRANSPHOBIA. SPOT IT FROM THE ROOT!!!

A TERF or TIRF-

Believes men are inherently both strong/powerful and cruel (either from birth (TERF) or transition (TIRF))

Believes women are inherently weaker and more fragile than men physically (either from birth (TERF) or transition (TIRF)

Believes men are inherently sexual aggressors who have high sex drives and can't control themselves, and that this is why rape happens. (either from birth (TERF) or transition (TIRF)

Is anti-sex work

Is against co-ed sports, and usually other co-ed spaces as well (either by sex (TERF) or gender (TIRF))

Believes that men cannot be feminists or genuinely care for women in a non-sexual way (either by birth (TERF) or transition (TIRF) because of beliefs one and two

Generally treats men and women like they are different species

Is either actively hostile and exclusionary towards intersex people or "politely ignores" them, because it is central to their worldview that everyone is either an oppressed woman or oppressive man.

TERFS specifically will also:

Believe that transmasc people are either traitors or self hating women

Believe that transfemme people are predators

Believe that nonbinary people don't exist

Usually be against cross dressing and drag, as well as champion the idea of traditional gender presentation.

TIRFS will:

Usually add on some qualifier about identity to loosely include trans people

End up aligning nonbinary people either with women or according to their sex anyway to remain in the "inherently oppressive vs inherently oppressed" worldview

Still be aggressive towards transmasc people, although now it's because they count as men now and men are evil

Sometimes be less hostile to gender nonconformity, sometimes not. It depends on the individual.

This is because Radical Feminism ISN'T about trans people. Trans people are only a group it hurts. Radical Feminism is about the idea that men and women are inherently different, and men are inherently dangerous to women. That is WHY TERFS are transphobic!!! And even in cases of Trans-Inclusionary-Radical-Femenists, they believe the same ideas, just for gender identity; they believe that trans men are inherently different from and dangerous to women, and that trans women are inherently different from and in danger because of men.

Radical Feminism is the idea that the patriarchy and sexism is baked in, unavoidable like the laws of gravity, and that feminists can only reduce damage. It is, ironically, incredibly anti-femenist. To the radical feminist, there is no such thing as an equal future- gender equality is unachievable. The best future a radical feminist can imagine is a sexist, patriarchal world, but with some women-only safe zones to flee to. Or, alternatively, genocide. Either way, shitty.

[fymo-blogs]

I'm a TIF

(Trans inclusionary feminist)

[assaultmystic]

my girlfriend made a fantastic point regarding the use of “TIRF” (trans inclusionary radical feminist) as a designator for transfeminists on here: it overtly projects an insecurity latent in transandrophobia discourse. that if there is “trans inclusion” in radical feminism it is solely directed towards the transmisogyny exempt.

[transirfanon]

Will the trans community ever challenge this idea of Women?

That’s what’s creating a lot of distress from me

[typhlonectes]

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[dumbdomb]

an intentional misspelling referring to both the exclusionary and inclusionary form of anti-trans and anti-intersex feminism on this website.

Gender critical feminists advocate what they call "sex-based rights," arguing that "women's human rights are based upon sex" and that "these rights are being eroded by the promotion of 'gender identity.'"

Gender critical feminists generally see gender as a system in which women are oppressed for reasons intrinsically related to their sex, and emphasize male violence against women, particularly involving institutions such as the sex industry, as central to women's oppression. Holders of such views often contend that trans women cannot fully be women because they were assigned male at birth and have experienced some degree of male privilege.

(...) the existence of intersex conditions does not impact the usefulness of sex categories.

Although trans people were active in feminist movements in the 1960s and earlier, the 1970s saw conflict among some early radical feminists over the inclusion of trans women in feminism.

Carrera-Fernández and DePalma argued that "the increasingly belligerent popular discourses promoted by TERF groups since the 1970s [are] appropriating feminist discourses to produce arguments that contradict basic premises of feminism."

Claire House noted in 2023 that "key streams within trans exclusionary women’s and feminist movements increasingly engage in collaborative action with right-wing populist-centered anti-gender coalitions, which include right-wing religious, conservative, and right-wing extremist actors."

In February 2020, 28 feminist and LGBT groups in France co-signed a declaration titled Toutes des femmes denouncing trans-exclusionary feminism, saying that "questions disguised as 'legitimate concerns' quickly give way to more violent attacks" and that "it is a confusionist and conspiratorial ideological movement using the cover of feminism to disrupt real feminist fights.

Gender Critical Feminism Wiki (source)

A Radical Feminist View of Gender Ideology - Maureen Young on The ACL Australian Christian Lobby (ACLOBBY)

How Liberal Feminism Turns Into Fascism by Alice Cappelle

Women's March: Feminism V. Womanism by Joya G

providing the above information is not an act of hatred, and i do not condone sending hate to anyone for any reason whatsoever! i am not interested in changing anyone's mind, and this is not an invitation for debate or challenging any person's beliefs. if you disagree with anything in this post, you can block and continue scrolling. there is nothing ill-intentioned in the above info and i don't hate anyone for having different povs

[mlm-blues]

What is a TIRF? Is it like a TERF? Should i block them?

it stands for trans inclusionary radical feminist... tho they arent very inclusionary about trans people

[incorrect-transpirings]

Regulus: I’m not a trans exclusionary feminist I’m a trans inclusionary feminist! wait that still spells TIRF… stupid English vowels!!

Lily: You’re French, you don’t get to complain about vowels!