#token rants

[hilacopter]

JEWISH CONVERTS (YES THOSE IN PROGRESS ALSO) AREN'T "racefaking jewish" YOU STUPID FUCKING ASSHOLES

[moth-nocturna]

dumping south park sketches lol

[stonedstargazer666]

More pics anyone??? Of course credit to the original owners

Gods they have been feeding us so well this tour

[ashthewaterghoul]

I will NEVER understand the people who romanticise ‘Blood Sport’.

For starters those people clearly have no reading comprehension because how THE FUCK do you hear the lyrics “I made loving you a blood sport, I can’t win” and go “oh yes, perfect for my relationship playlist! Let’s walk down the aisle to it!”

And, Vessel spends the last 30 seconds of that song CRYING INTO THE MICROPHONE. How the HELL can you romanticise a song that is obviously about some extremely painful time in the singer’s life???

This is something I think about a lot bc every time I listen to ‘Blood Sport’ I have to stop what I’m doing when I hear Vessel crying. It’s OBVIOUSLY not a positive song, like loads of Sleep Token’s songs.

I severely question the intelligence of those who romanticise the songs that CLEARLY are not meant to be about positive and healthy relationships.

[sleepanonymous]

Are Sleep Token fans just extremely unlucky? Has Sumerian Comics ever fucked up this badly? I am genuinely curious, because everything that could go wrong has gone wrong for this pre order. There are people who still haven't received any shipping emails or tracking numbers, there is damage to the screenplay book, posters, and graphic novel itself (like they were carelessly handled before being packaged), many tier 3 orders are flat out missing the screenplay book, the QR code for the digital download leads to a 404 error page, and some people flat out never got a QR code at all.

... This is honesty starting to feel like some insane social experiment instead of a handful of unfortunate incidences.

[blue-lollipops-and-ice-clouds]

A Continuation of the Adventures of ✨️Pre-Ordering The Teeth of God Graphic Novel Tier 2 - 4✨️

In this edition, Sumerian once again can't send an email with this shit because they're massive twats, and a new date is mentioned!

That's right, folks! A new date of January 10th! You know only 51 days from that original date we all pre-ordered under in August! Wow!

But that's all dependent on Killer Merch on January 3rd! Don't blame Sumerian! (Don't wonder why the fuck they didn't have the slipcases for limited tiers already figured out before setting up this entire thing!)

They sent out 5000+ emails! Oh, no, wait, misread, they responded to 5000+ emails of people wondering where the fuck their orders are because they couldn't send out a fucking email at all! My bad!

Oh, and one last thing!

Mate! Oh, you don't want to double email? Mate you haven't fucking emailed much of anything! Oh my gods, I'd rather trust Revolver with the damn graphic novel than Sumerian at this point!

[veilofsam]

If I see another comment on tt about how ST makes “baby making” music I will actually commit war crimes.

It is so sad to see Vessel’s art reduced to sexual innuendos when at its core it is the opposite. Yes, there are moments of desire and longing, but in a painful sense of wanting someone you can’t ever have. Overall the songs ST make are of grieving a relationship, a lover you still want but can’t /shouldn’t have. These songs are intimate and emotional.

And when actual fans point this out, those “booktok” people, or tt commenters, just deflect anything said. They can listen all they want, it’s music for anyone to enjoy. But it doesn’t not bother me to see someone’s personal art turn into something entirely opposite of the point it was making.

[cads-the-cat]

Sleep Token is being turned into a brand rather than a band and being commercialised to a point where it will harm them more than help them

An opinion on there being too much ST merch

Befofe starting this, i want to clear up a few things

I am aware that Vessel and ii probably have very little responsibility/say in this and it's the management/rca who is doing this

Yes, i am a fan and i support them. However, it is unhealthy and not good to blindly support every decision and action of your favourite artist, person etc without questioning them and holding them accountable

I know that earning money with music in times of streaming is hard/impossible but that does not justify those moves of tryihg to get as much money as possible out of them

This also applies to other bands, but the extent to which this aapplies to ST is extreme compared to others

We are one week into this year and there has already been a new merch drop. After 6 days. You know when the last one was? Less than a month ago. Same merch shop (US). The items? Some of them questionable (flannels??). The leather jacket? Insane (not in a good way). It looks okay but you could make one yourself and make it look way cooler and get it for less money as one of my tumblr moots said.

I remember last year up until July/August it kind of was a running joke in the fandom about the emails with obtain and how we're too broke to obtain, but now? This is not a joke anymore. Ever since last year we have gotten emails ALMOST EVERY MONTH, sometimes even several times a month about new merch releases.

Yes, there are different stores worldwide, but we live in a time of international shipping. And even for one store it's lots of releases. Plus then there's all the licensed products shops like Hot Topic, Impericon, EMP and whatever their local equivalents are, who also constantly release more merch.

What's even worse: a lot of those things are either a shitty quality (if i remember right, one of the hoodies or tshirts from the EU tour 2024 had the print peeling off after one wash) and/or really bland. Where is the cool art, the thing that makes these items special? I got a tshirt from the German Rituals 2023 with this sick artwork on it that i cherish more than anything. But compared to that most tour merch of the more recent tours has been nothing special.

Most of them just have the logo on it and it reminds me of any ither fashion brand. There's only so many jumpers and t-hsirts and sweatshirts with the logo that a person needs and the constant release of new but actually the same stuff is creating this insane overconsumption which harms fans' bank accounts and the environment and is straight up boring. There's nothing about them that makes them special and unique and cool. It feels like at this point it is a contest of how many ST logos can they plaster on an item before it looks ridiculous (on the leather jacket i counted at least four, three of them massive).

Which brings me to the next point. People just slap on a ST logo because the band is so hyped and to make money off it or get more clicks, even if it is only remotely related to them. I understand that in today's world you need to use buzzwords to make people pay attention, but with ST it has reached the most ridiculous level. The air of anticipation some magazines or brands build around some upcoming stuff with words like Worship and whatever, which everyone connects to ST, just to reveal a mid product or result is just horrible and will eventually make it less effective which can harm the band in the long run if they can't build up excitement for new releases as much as they could because everyone is 'burnt out' because it's been overused.

Overall, this insane amount of merch and using ST to sell anything or get clicks is not okay. The fan base is so dedicated and loyal and we deserve better than to be - for the lack of a better word - exploited like this just because we like and support an artist. Prices for everything have been rising for years and it's hard for a lot of us financially. We spend so much money on concerts already and then the ton of merch and everything on top is just too much. ST as a brand is used to exploit fans which is not how you should treat your fans (again want to emphasise that this is mostly on management and label, not Vessel)

You might think 'But you don't have to go to concerts or buy their merch'. That's right, you don't. But concerts are kind of the thing when you're a fan of a band, and you want to support your fave band abd wear merch and show that you like them. However, the merch and everything is limited and posed in a way that creates FOMO and everyone is always drilled to Consume and Obtain (yes that's how capitalism works and that is not good in this situation because it harms us fans so much.) I can't deny I've given in to this as well twice during the EU shows and i am now left with an underwhelming sweatshirt and a hat that i never really needed and probably wouldn't have bought if i hadn't been in this mindset so much.

'Oh but i want to support Vessel and the band.' Yes, merch does help out artists, especially in times of streaming. But how much do you think they make? Merch is using little to no lyrics or song related things that the band could earn money off due to copyright. And i don't know who owns the right to the logo (i did some research and found someone in management with three trademarks on something ST related but it never specified if that applies to just the name or the logo or the music or whatever - it was not Vessel though). Who knows how much is going to management and the label and how much the band actually earns. Right now it feels like the management and label want to make as much money possible from them for their own gain. As an alternative to support them, start buying their albums and vinyls so they earn more money off their songs.

So, what do i want? Obviously i don't want fans to stop buying merch because it does help artists to some degree. However, I want less merch releases, one or maximum two a year per merch store (so AUS, US and UK/EU). We can have a few simple designs with the logo on it, but i also want some cool pieces with art or something else that makes them special. I know artists are expensive and stuff, but that's why you make less items but higher quality. Make them available in larger quantities so that more people can buy them and they will still get their money. Plus you always have extra tour merch, which is another extra release. Make the merch special again and make it mean something to people instead of just being another logo like a fashion brand.

If they continue like this fans will eventually be unable to afford stuff, people will turn away from merch because they realise it's all the same, and the effect of using ST as a brand/connection simply to sell stuff will harm their reputation (it already is). Whoever is responsible for this merch insanity needs to put a stop to it. Please!

This is just my opinion. Disagree if you want to. Some things, especially the effects of the situation, are portrayed slightly exaggerated, but this is how it makes me feel and I truly believe this is not a great situation we're in right now with the merch.

(Not taking any responsibility for typos)

[nevertoforgive]

Okay so like not to be crazy and parasocial but do yall ever get so proud of vessel (rlly all of st) because like sometimes I watch the old videos of them and it's just so obvious how much they've grown as musicians and people. obvi I don't know what's going on in their lives but they (Vessel esp) just seem so much happier and healthier now and it makes me so fuckin happy and proud bc I fully believe they deserve the whole world and theyve changed so many peoples lives for the better I'm just so happy they're getting to be happy and successful too.

[anxious-chaos-art]

The worst part is that I was like.

Actively enjoying coloring too.

That never happens

WHYYY

Digital artists I am SO SORRY FOR EVER BEING APATHETIC TO YOUR STRUGGLES

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DRAW THIS LADY DIGITALLY BETWEEN CLASSES AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FUN LITTLE PROJECT FOR A FRIEND AND I WAS SUPPOSED TO PRACTICE COLORING AND I WAS GONNA SHOW YOU GUYS HER WHEN SHE WAS DONE BUT THE WILL OF GOD WAS AGAINST HER IG AUGHHHHH

SHE CRASHED TWICE

TWICE!!!!

AND BOTH TIMES IT DESTROYED MY DRAWINGS OF HER!!!!

[brujahinaskirt]

look i love john marston once and true i really do but listen if i were ms. abigail roberts

i would have shacked up with arthur so fucking fast after john ditched me his lil possum-man head would have been spinning on his neck way out in whatever hole he was hiding from the smoking ashes of my broken heart in. "stand by your man?" "give him space?" "take a chance that love exists?" no. i would not. i would have simply turned around and brought The Big Hoss to stable with EXTREME marston-negative malice. i know i know, arthur is sooo loyal he wouldn't leave dutch but yes he fucking would. we are not talking about some copypasta y/n buckle bunny here with no distinguishing features. this is ABIGAIL FUCKING ROBERTS. are you telling me if abigail "The Best Person Alive" (Arthur Morgan, "Abigail You're the Best" speech, 1899) roberts walked up to this babytalking Fatherhood And Other Dreams-addicted wifeless Wifeguy with a cooing toddler stuck under her arm and said "arthur you're jack's daddy now. arthur he's soooo small arthur. he's the size of a single grapefruit. arthur we have to protect your microscopic pea-sized incredibly tiny son" he would not have said Yes Maam and split that camp like the ass crack in a pair of Forever 21 jeans. i'm sorry to this woman but if i were Miss Thang the Van der Linde Princess Herself I would never have waited on a man (J*HN M*RSTON) to come crawling back to me. wait for what?????? i would have waltzed up to that sad sagging open concept tent, outstretched my gleaming ex girlfriend eagle talon and snatched mr I'm-a-Lonesome-Cowboy by his barely concealed raging domesticity stiffy and we would have blown that fucking outfit in two shakes and a holler. i would have ZOOMED onto that orhter-mahrrgahn-shaped gravy train at such fucking velocity you would not believe it. dump ME like a rusted can of peaches. oh no no no. could NOT be me. me and MY peaches would have been out of that whole marston sitchuation and making nice with big brother on a little homestead somewhere at mach 1 (one vindictive bitch) speed. leave me with a fucking baby sleeping on the grass. kiss my outlaw ass. not if I'M ABIGAIL FUCKING ROBERTS. john would have come stumbling back a year later dragging his jaw behind him like "huh??? wuut??? MY BABYCAKE IS WHERE??? WITH WHO" and the revelation that the bad bitch he tossed out with his toenail clippings was now eating bon bons or whatever on his brother's knee in callyfornya would car compact john's world into the size of a soup can. but i wouldn't bat one pretty eyelash about it because i would be spending my enormous devoted husband's train robbing funds on exotic fruits and fancy $15 token mugs and other dumb shit. john fucking god damned linguini legs marston. break my goddamn heart?? bet. arthur knows how abigail takes her coffee. jack would not even know who tf john marston is.

[alkaline-wtr]

I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token. I love Sleep Token.

[tonguetyd]

Very cute thing from Boston that I did not get a video of (and I don’t think anyone has that I’ve seen) but at the end of Euclid somebody had art (?) they were trying to get up to him. And adamross photo king is over in the pit trying to. You know. Do his job taking photos. And iv frantically reached out to Adam like “ADAAAAAAM!!!! ADAM ADAM THEY HAVE PRESENT!!! PLEASE GET PRESENT FOR IVY YOU KNOW I LOVE PRESENT FOR IVY!!”

And Adam did of course get the package and pass it on up to iv who was on stage WAY longer than he should’ve been with all that, but idk it was just very sweet to watch that happen. He’s just a little guy.

[crazypsychonerdstuff]

The height difference between these two...

They are so adorable...

I love them...

[acallfromolympus]

I’ve been part of many fandoms over the years and I’ve personally never seen so many people go out of their way to be mean to fans of a band just bc they don’t like the band than I have since I’ve been a Sleep Token fan. Idk about all of you, but when I don’t like a band I just ignore it and I would NEVER even think of being mean to someone for liking that band.

I see a lot of people thinking that ST is overhyped or lame or whatever. As for the overhyped comment, it’s just called a band having a lot of fans who are passionate. A lot of people can’t seem to grasp the concept that you can dislike something and still be a decent person. I never really feel the need to defend ST because they’re so good that their work speaks for itself and if you don’t like them, then I feel bad for you lol but it is what it is.

Sorry for the messy rambling but it gets kind of annoying constantly hearing people talk shit about fans for simply liking ST when it’s just a matter of taste. You like what you like and I like what I like.

If you don’t like ST, then maybe don’t interact with their fans lol. It’ll just make more ST stuff show up on your feed.

[sleepanonymous]

My good friend who runs @thesleeptokenarchive uncovered this footage from Sleep Token performing Fields of Elation at their first Ritual in London on October 23, 2017. It literally made me sob yesterday while I was in a Team's work meeting 🖤 (I actually cried so much yesterday from all the new old things 👀)

Another good friend had been digging and found confirmation from the Black Heart venue and several social media comments that the July 2017 Ritual was canceled. I feel like I need to rewrite the entirety of the first half of that lore post I made last year 😅 I have so much more information now.