#tiring discourse

[villainessbian]

Lesbians CANT be bisexual. They are literally mutually exclusive. To insist that they can is a TERF dogwhistle because they coined the term

No.

Lesbians can be whatever they want and do whatever they want and you need to learn to deal with it

TERFs are notoriously the ones who say that diverse queer identities cannot exist, not the ones who support them. Remind me, do TERFs want or acknowledge lesbian diversity? No they do not that's in fact one of the primary things they fight against.

"Bi lesbian" is predominantly used by trans women, if you want it to be even clearer with whom you stand.

If your definition of lesbianism excludes Sappho of Lesbos you're just wrong.

Literally the overwhelming majority of lesbian history is inclusive of bisexuality. Not just Sappho of Lesbos, you know, the person who got us named sapphic people and lesbians, but up to and including today. Get in a real physical queer space with an average age of more than 20, start the kind of shit you're trying to here, and see how fast people begin wondering if you're a cop. It'll get you a stern talking to at best, and kicked out at worst. Why do you want to eschew centuries of lesbian tradition for the sake of hating other queer people?

Separating lesbians from bi women is literally what TERFs did, what launched TERFs in the first place, and it only started in the 70s, see "Lesbians in Revolt" 1972 from the same old "lesbianism is just feminist praxis" separatists we keep finding in TERF circles today. Oh, they say bi women have male privilege? WHERE ELSE HAVE I HEARD THIS HMMMMMMMMM

TERFs are the first to say "lesbians can't like men" and hate on bi women, they're also the first to say that bi lesbians don't exist. Look: this is what TERFs say and think. Overtly. Openly. In front of everyone.

So if you actually care even just a little about not siding with TERFs, or about defending lesbian integrity and history, just stop. Look at where we come from. See how despite the flaws in our history, we have those too, we were placed in front of the LGBT+ - previously GLBT - acronym, because of the good we did. Don't tarnish that mark by arguing for people to be kicked off of queer communities because their definition doesn't fit what a tiktok user read on a carrd written by a kid probably raised by a TERF. None of us are defined by what we aren't allowed to do by the High Queer Authorities. Our communities are always going to be diverse, messy, overlapping, complex, sometimes hard to describe in a single phrase, and that's good. That's what being alive is. That's what being part of a community is. We're not fandom characters to argue about, and we don't need that in-fighting.

[blakbonnet]

as i grow older and age in fandom especially, i have waning patience for 2012 style fandom wars. i don't have time for the type of person who goes "why is this the 2nd top ship on ao3 when it bugs me", i don't have the energy to be friends with people who go "i specifically expressed dislike for this ship and people still write it?" and i have absolutely no time for someone who goes "this very personal trauma i have projected onto this random character and ship should be recognized and agreed by everyone else, otherwise they're bad people"

[lapdogchase]

it drives me a little crazy when people ignore that jk rowling is transphobic towards trans men. as if she didnt write a 3600 word essay on how we’re delusional autistic girls who don’t know what’s good for us. as if one of the first times she dipped her toe into public transphobia wasn’t her complaining abt the phrase “people who menstruate”. essay long posts abt how her actions have harmed trans women and jewish people and people of color and fat people and many other people- which is true and important to talk about- but not a single mention of trans men. it’s odd

[solfinite]

extra doodles below

[supertaliart]

It’s loving mom!Shaak-ti hours.

[that-satireguy]

'most of transphobia is actually transmisogyny and doesn't affect trans men. Trans men are mostly only affected by misogyny.'

'trans men don't experience misogyny because they're MEN, what they experience is just STANDARD TRANSPHOBIA so just call it that.'

From the same blog.

I'm starting to think some of yall don't believe the shit you say and just viciously hate trans men.

[sforzesco]

something. about. the horror of being sent on an impossible (death) quest and obligations and hospitality politics. the trauma of not having a home, and then the trauma of being in a house that becomes actively hostile to you, one that would swallow you whole and spit out your bones if you step out of line. all of this is conditional, your existence continues to be something men want gone.

it's about going back as far as I can with the perseus narrative because there's always a version of a myth that exists behind the one that survives. the missing pieces are clearly defined, but the oldest recorded version of it isn't there! and there's probably something older before that!! but it's doomed to forever be an unfilled space, clearly defined by an outline of something that was there and continues to be there in it's absence.

and love. it's also about love. even when you had nothing, you had love.

on the opposite side of the spectrum, this is Not About Ovid Or Roman-Renaissance Reception, Depictions And Discourses On The Perseus Narrative.

edit: to add to the above, while it's not about Ovid, because I'm specifically trying to peel things back to the oldest version of this story, Ovid is fine. alterations on the Perseus myth that give more attention Medusa predate Ovid by several centuries. this comic is also not about those, either! there are many versions of this story from the ancient world. there is not one singular True or Better version, they're all saying something.

Perseus, Daniel Ogden

Anthology of Classical Myth: Primary Sources in Translation, edited & translated by Stephen M Trzaskoma, R. Scott Smith, Stephen Brunet

[thetourguidebarbie]

I think it would be helpful for everyone to acknowledge that "Israel is killing a high number of civilians in Gaza AND THAT IS BAD AND WRONG" can and does coexist with "other countries also do pretty much this exact thing and worse literally all the time but Israel gets a much more aggressive response because of antisemitism and that is a legitimate problem". One does not negate the other. This is called

✨nuance✨

[spinachbobsquarepants]

Being a Wicked fan whose favourite characters are Boq and Nessarose is so hard because for a fandom for media so focused around the idea of complex morality, a lot of Wicked fans seem to have no understanding of complex morality and as a result so many of them fail to grasp the idea that "Boq did not deserve anything that Nessa did to him in act 2 and it is in no way his fault" and "Nessarose was not inherently and irredeemably evil from the start" are both true statements. So basically I'm trying not to participate in Wicked discourse at least until Wicked Part 2 comes out and I see more of their relationship in the movie.

[lycandrophile]

if you ever get involved in discourse that boils down to "can trans men be/do X?" i need you to understand that you're asking the wrong question. the right questions are: what gives you the authority to tell trans men what we're allowed to be or do? what makes you think we would listen to you? why is it your business? (hint: it's not.)

trans men can be and do whatever we want forever. stop worrying about what arbitrary rules you want to hold us to and start worrying about your own life for a change.

[therealstacyfakename]

I’m so tired of people saying bucktommy fans need to stop and move on. Fandoms are literally for obsessing over characters with limited screen time, this is a healthy and normal part of fandom they don’t have to abandon the relationship.

Also especially tired of the criticism that it’s not groundbreaking representation (how it impacts someone is subjective btw) because many of these same people will turn around and say buddie will revolutionize tv when it goes canon when buddie is also two masculine guys

Anyways I enjoy the ship from the show and from fan works created and I’m going to continue to do so as long as I want. “They need to move on” as if people don’t ship things for decades

[rosetterer]

if you are mad that bucktommy is getting more attention than henren, you should be fucking furious that a non-canon mlm ship has been getting more attention than henren for YEARS

[clingyduoapologist]

At the end of the day, Dream has no position. He has no angle to argue from, because getting away from the realm of allegation or speculation, the things he’s admitted to, the people he chooses to surround himself with, the things we’ve seen him do are already enough to disqualify him from being taken seriously in any capacity. Any opinion you form about Dream has to take into account the people that he himself has admitted to hurting. It’s not a situation or drama or discourse it’s a trail of destruction.

We’re not waiting for another shoe to drop or for a straw to break some camel’s back, because the camel’s been fucking run over. We can sit here and speculate about the degree to which he’s an asshole, over which allegations are really credible, who we can believe, but that doesn’t change the fact that Dream has already proven himself, at the very very insanely oversimplified least, to be irresponsible with his platform, with his fanbase, and with the other people his platform has allowed him to meet.

He loves to pretend that, because he’s admitted to things he’s done in the past, now he’s completely exonerated. That because certain specific claims haven’t been true, that all the criticism against him is petty and stupid and should be ignored. But specifics don’t fucking matter when he’s shown patterns of harmful behavior that haven’t seemed to change for years.

He’s had his chances to show us that he could do better. Too many, in my opinion. By now, my mind is thoroughly made up. What’s important now is to show your support for his victims, the victims of his friends, and to not accept similar behavior from to creators you love.

Dreamwastaken is someone I do not know, that I feel like I’ve gotten to know all too well recently. I will not pretend to know the extent of what he’s done, to get parasocial and try to divine some ultimate truth to his character. All I have to go on is what he’s shown us and what others have told us. And I feel like that’s more than enough to form an opinion of him as a creator, and as a person.

[frisbee-equine]

I am once again exhaustedly begging aro people on Tumblr to stop using their identity as a cudgel in what is essentially fandom drama and shipping bullshit, because for the last goddamned time, fandom having a focus on shipping is *not* amatonormativity and arophobia. It is AT BEST a symptom of societal amatonormativity and arophobia, in the same way that M/M being more prevalent than F/F can be a symptom of societal misogyny, but someone wanting two fictional characters to engage in romance and not a platonic relationship is not directly fucking oppressing you.

In fact, it waters down the actual meanings of said words and oppression. You are, again, at best making aspec people look obnoxious and like they don't have real problems if this is the most "dire" thing to complain about, at worst just spouting off homophobia in a rainbow-colored wrapper.

You know what's actually amatonormativity and arophobia? Society explicitly being organized in such a way that aspec people would be better off legally, financially, and even socially if they were in romantic relationships. That people who prefer not to be in relationships (or "worse," those who might only be interested in sexual relationships, i.e. aroallos) clearly have something wrong with them mentally or emotionally that should make them be avoided and warned about like some kind of predator.

And a healthy dash of cishetero-patriarchial misogyny on top with the implication that aspec women in particular need to "settle down" and be a Good Wife™️ to some cishet man, that their orientation is something that can and should be fixed.

It is not fucking some rando going "I think these two fictional characters should kiss and fuck nasty."

[luckthebard]

I’m becoming a broken record about this but it is immensely frustrating to watch a story where the protagonists are BOTH terminally indecisive and seem to think that carrying out the villains plans is fine if the villain isn’t involved. It’s just dissatisfying on a storytelling level and harder and harder to want to engage with.

[menlove]

"this person uses a label I don't like and this makes me uncomfortable so they need to stop" okay and business majors make me uncomfortable but I'm not gonna tell them to go kill themselves about it. get so much of a grip.