#tim is emotionally unavailable but with reasons

[flwrkid14]

Why Tim Drake Sees the Bats as Co-Workers and Not Family (Tim Drake is a Fenton)

aka a follow up to this post, on why tim calls the bats coworkers because I think it's the funniest thing ever

It’s not that Tim hates the batfam. If anything, he has a grudging respect for them. They’ve saved his life (and Gotham’s) more times than he can count. But to Tim, that doesn’t make them family.

Here’s the thing: Tim already has a family.

Growing up as a Fenton, Tim knew what family meant. Jazz was the protective big sister who made sure he ate, slept, and survived middle school. Danny was the chaotic younger brother who still cared enough to make sure Tim didn’t feel overshadowed. Even his parents, as wildly eccentric as they were, loved him with the kind of unapologetic enthusiasm only Jack and Maddie Fenton could pull off.

Sure, they weren’t perfect. They panicked after Danny’s death-and-rebirth-as-a-ghostly-superhero and left Tim with Aunt Janet Drake, thinking they were protecting him. But they called. They checked in. And once they realized how bad things were with the Drakes, they worked to make amends.

Tim never stopped being a Fenton, no matter how far Gotham took him from Amity Park.

So when Bruce Wayne swept in with promises of training, teamwork, and trust, Tim didn’t see a new family. He saw an opportunity.

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The Batfamily Dynamics:

The Batfamily operates on trauma and duty. Everyone has scars, and everyone has a mission. That’s how Bruce connects with people—through the shared pain of loss and the relentless drive to make Gotham better.

But Tim’s mission was never born out of personal tragedy. He didn’t lose his parents to crime or see Gotham as something he had to save. He joined because someone had to. Batman was falling apart after Jason died, and Gotham was suffering for it. Tim stepped up because it was the right thing to do—not because he wanted to fill some emotional void.

And that’s where the disconnect lies.

For Bruce, Dick, Jason, Damian, and even Cass, Barbara and Steph, being part of the bats means finding family again. It’s their way of healing. But for Tim, it feels like replacing the family he already has.

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Tim’s Perspective:

To Tim, the batfamily is a job. A very dangerous, very complicated job, but a job nonetheless.

Bruce isn’t his father. Dick isn’t his brother. Jason isn’t his big-brother-who-died-and-came-back (that spot was already taken by Danny). They’re teammates, coworkers, and maybe even friends. But family? No.

Because family is Jazz sneaking him snacks during his stakeouts. Family is Danny sending sarcastic texts about “ghost-proofing” the Batcave. Family is Jack and Maddie trying (and failing) to make sense of his vigilante life while showing up with enough ectoplasm-based cookies to fuel an army.

Family is messy, chaotic, and full of love.

And while the batfamily might be chaotic, the love feels conditional—wrapped up in the mission, the masks, and the unspoken rule that Gotham always comes first.

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Why Tim Doesn’t Want a Second Family:

And then there’s the second layer—the one Tim doesn’t say out loud.

To Tim, having a second family feels like betraying the one he already has. Like admitting that Jazz, Danny, and the parents who tried so hard to fix their mistakes weren’t enough. And they are enough.

Tim doesn’t need another family. He doesn’t want another family. The Fentons are imperfect, but they’re his. If he started thinking of the batfamily as his own, it would feel like he was erasing the people who already mean everything to him.

It would also make losing them hurt more.

The batfamily’s world is dangerous. Gotham is dangerous. And if Tim ever let himself think of them as his family—as more than coworkers or teammates—it would make every death, every injury, and every failure cut that much deeper.

Tim’s already had to grieve once, when Danny died. He barely survived it. He doesn’t think he could go through that again, especially not in a world where loss is inevitable. Keeping the bats at arm’s length is self-preservation as much as loyalty to the Fentons.

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Does It Hurt the Bats?

Absolutely.

Dick wants so badly to be Tim’s big brother. Jason finds it hilarious, but even he bristles at being labeled a coworker. Damian sees it as a betrayal of loyalty. And Bruce—well, Bruce doesn’t say much, but the tight line of his mouth speaks volumes. Tim doesn't even want to think about how Cass probably already knew, and how much it had still hurt her nonetheless.

But Tim doesn’t change his stance. Because at the end of the day, the bats aren't his family. They’re his team, his coworkers, and maybe even his friends.

And that’s enough.

[farshootergotme]

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Opinions on this post?

I'd say that I agree with what this person is saying. As much as I give Bruce shit for his parental skills (which are flawed and shouldn't be overlooked, don't get me wrong), we can say Alfred is partially one of the main reasons why Bruce is the way he is.

I won't say anything about "Alfred should've/could've taken Bruce to therapy" because then we gotta consider a lot of things about the decade when Alfred was introduced and his age in-universe, as Alfred might've not lived in a period in which therapy was widely accepted and even recommended. But I won't dwell too much on that.

Now, I don't think Alfred is necessarily an evil person, but he can be quite selfish and a coward when it comes to facing consequences (which he rarely gets, if ever).

When shit hits the fan, he's the first one to back out. Why should he be responsible? He's only a mere butler (until he goes and calls Bruce "his son").

He's always detached just enough from the situation that nobody will look at him when looking for someone to blame for a problem that Alfred was most likely involved in.

Bruce might be the Batman, but it's Alfred who works from the shadows and leaves the responsibility of his decisions to the rest.

Does he do this on purpose?

Hard to say. I think he's in a way aware of his cowardice and harmful tendencies, but he doesn't have an active intention of hurting others. However, lack of intention does not mean lack of action, and despite whatever he might feel or believe, he does many things that end up in someone's hurt and even death.

And don't many consider it, but to me it doesn't come as a surprise that Bruce is so emotionally constipated and an unavailable father when he never had someone to learn from about proper parental skills.

Bruce never knew where he stood with Alfred, and Alfred didn't help to make it clear. At first, Bruce was just his master. A responsibility left behind by his parents, but still with the authority to order around the person who's supposed to be his caretaker. And Alfred? We know how much of an enabler he is, but also how inconsistent he can be when it comes to letting Bruce get away with things. And how confusing that must've been for a child? To never have clear boundaries to respect, rules to follow and his behavior corrected.

Kids learn from habit and patterns, and I don't believe he'd see much of that with Alfred, who jumps from his role as a father to his position as a butler way too often for a young mind to fully comprehend. Add to that the fact Bruce already had a position as a rich kid, which would've led to even more people forgetting to set boundaries with him due to his influence.

Now it's not so weird to see him getting away with his toxic behavior towards his children instead of confronting his mistakes like a parent should, right? But I digress.

So, moving onto the next point: child soldiers.

The post you sent mentions Alfred's involvement in the later creation of Robins. But how can he normalize sending kids out there to fight a war that isn't theirs? Well, that's when you remember Alfred joined the army at quite a young age, and there he must've seen even younger kids working as soldiers. What are the chances he has a messed up view on what children should and shouldn't (have to) do?

Subconsciously, he must've internalized this idea of children fighting for their country, and when he saw Robin for the first time, it might've brought back that idea and so he allowed this child to fight for a city that was not even his yet. And then came Jason, then Tim, then Steph, Cass, Damian, Duke... They just kept coming, and Alfred kept pushing this idea.

Jason died? That's a shame, but war is unrelenting, and soldiers are expected to die. It doesn't mean the rest should stop fighting, right?

"Jason Todd, a good soldier".

On top of all that, Robin is good for Batman. Robin is the light Batman needs. Robin can help Bruce, his boy. His son. And who's Alfred if not a messed up man? He'll put the children at risk if it means helping the boy he failed to help before. And when he gets attached to said children, it'll be too late to try pull them out, and then they'll be just another repetition of what Batman came to be when he allowed Bruce to leave.

As for Julia Pennyworth, Alfred was separated from Marie—his then partner—due to war, and found out about Julia's existence only two years after she was born. Their relationship had been distant since then. Julia didn't know about Alfred, but he requested a friend to take care of her and kept sending money all the years to come after making his friend promise not to tell Julia about him, his real father. Why didn't he ever go to see her? That's because, according to Alfred, he was afraid to disrupt her life. But if I'm being honest, I think he also didn't feel ready for the responsibility. And when he became Bruce's guardian, he still was not ready, but Martha and Thomas were his friends, so there must've been a sense of responsibility and guilt influencing his decision.

To summarize, Alfred Pennyworth is an extremely flawed individual and he should not be absolved from any of his mistakes.

[damianwaynerocks]

i know this has been rehashed over & over but one of the reasons i love tim drake is this:

he’s arguably the only male robin that became robin solely out of duty, not trauma or birthright.

dick had anger issues that bruce wanted him to channel into being robin.

jason grew up on the streets & wanted to be robin to protect people like his mom

damian does it because he doesn’t know how to do anything else

tim? tim lived a privileged life. yes, his parents were emotionally unavailable which does cause trauma, but he really didn’t have any personal reason to fight crime. he did it because he knew batman needed a robin in order to properly help people. he did it because he knew there was crime to be fought. he left his life of privilege and comfort.

he’s the only robin who really, truly, has a choice. and he chose to put his life on the line to help others

[notcuddles]

Saw a post about what the various Dungeon Meshi characters are like in bed and it was just...so deeply wrong. Like, I'm sorry, but just because a character has many good traits in day to day life does NOT mean they're just automatically going to be great in bed.

DunMeshi is the show for loving cringefail idiots who are trying their best (and sometimes managing to get there)

Anyway, here's my take:

Marcille - wants to be good in bed and is trying very hard to be sexy but has internalized way too many romance novels AND way too much social stigma about sex to be really uninhibited in bed. The experience will be fine but you come away from it feeling like there was something missing. Figuring out that she's attracted to women will help her a lot because she won't have a bunch of predetermined, socially mandated sexual roles to fall back on and will have to get creative.

Laios - doesn't think about having sex a lot for himself (he definitely does think about it but he's clearly got a somewhat childish sensibility regarding it) but definitely down if someone else initiates...and is very specific about what they're trying to get him to do. Lots of enthusiasm but zero technique. Willing to put a lot of things in his mouth though, so that's useful. Absolutely down to try whatever physical kink you have, basically without question, but probably bounces hard off of D/s dynamics and similar social role playing for the most part. Pet play is too tame, but will definitely pretend to be a tiger erotically stalking you through the jungle if you're into that.

Chilchuck - I'm sorry, I know everyone loves Mr. Tims but he sucks in bed. "But he has three kids". Lots of people who suck in bed have lots of kids. It's called "societal pressure to have children". Chilchuk's defining (marriage ending!!!) features are that he's emotionally unavailable and tends to overwork himself, which is not a recipe for being a great lover. His one saving grace is that he's good with his hands. Unfortunately, he's not interested in foreplay so that's wasted on him.

Senshi - Likewise, I know we all love dwarf daddy but he ALSO sucks in bed, but for different reasons. Firstly, he's NOTABLY UNWASHED, to the point that magic doesn't work on him, so unless you're really into body odor and related kinks, that's really going to put a damper on things. More importantly, this man has a long history of being isolated from society. Senshi is kind of defined by his desire to be close to people and take care of them, but he's really never had an opportunity to form the kind of long-term, stable relationships that could lead to sexual exploration. (Yes, he was with the orcs for a while but I suspect he was never integrated into the tribe enough for that kind of exploration to take place - when he started getting close to that level, he left because he didn't want to get married) I just straight up don't think he's had a lot of experience in that regard and I think he would be kind of shy. However, since he does like taking care of people, he'd be open to direction and probably a quick learner. You gotta put in the work to teach him though, he's not coming to you with a lot of experience.

Falin - Yeah okay, she's into some weird shit and not shy about it. However, it's not in a defined or specific kink kind of way, she's just very willing to be open about enjoying sensations or experiences that other people might think were weird. If you're down to clown with this dynamic, you'll have a great time. If not, you'll discover midway through fucking that she's stopped paying attention to what you're doing and is watching an ant trying to carry a crumb through a hole in the wall next to the bed. She still tells you that you're doing a good job because you're trying so hard, which is far more devastating than being told that you sucked. Shuro - has very defined ideas about How Sex Is Supposed To Go and won't deviate from them. If you like being methodically pounded for over an hour because he can't finish, Shuro is the man for you. However, this is because he has an extremely repressed kink that he's desperate to hide at all costs by never doing anything even slightly deviant. If you can ever get him to admit what that kink is, he will either die of embarrassment or become the best lay you've ever had...so long as you happen to think that kink is hot, because it's definitely the only thing that will really get him off reliably.

Kabru - has been studying your every move and carefully peppering you with seemingly innocuous and non-sexual questions to help him guess what you're into while you were on a date. Phenomenal in bed, very good/giving/game and eager to please - to the point that you actually don't get a chance to do much to him. A rather dazzling experience the first time around but unfortunately you quickly realize that he has bespoke brain problems that are beyond your ken and is obsessed with some oblivious blond guy. You end up sleeping with him a few more times and keep getting the feeling that he's working an angle but it's hard to say what that angle is, because sex is clearly not the end game of the 5 dimensional chess that he's playing.

[mitochondriaandbunnies]

It's really interesting that we actually know very little of Bruce and Dick's history and dynamic in BTAS. Dick is already a college student at the start of the show, and there's already some distance between them, although not as acrimonious as it becomes later in the series. Older Robin/Dick isn't in a majority of episodes, and the only episode we see Dick as a kid in is his origin episode. Then, between the original series and the New Adventures, it seems like something happened that left them even more distant, and yet this isn't a Dick that leaves for Bludhaven. Bruce just breaks into his apartment a lot and Dick is like "what is wrong with you."

I'm of the opinion that for the timeline to make any sense (and even then it barely does), BTAS Bruce must've been like 21-2 when he adopted Dick, and it's really interesting to think about how that would've influenced their relationship. I'm very much against "Bruce is an abusive father" readings, but I think it's very fair to characterize BTAS Bruce as a bit of a deadbeat dad when it came to Dick-- not even necessarily for lack of trying, but because a 21 year old is just not equipped to successfully parent an 8 year old, especially an emotionally unavailable one like Bruce. They love each other, but it's the complicated love of like... "our parents died and my eldest brother did my best to raise me even though he was a kid too," not really a father-son relationship. That even kind of tracks with Dick not leaving Gotham-- he doesn't feel the need to "leave the nest," so to speak, because it's not his father's city, it's just... Bruce's.

You get the sense that Bruce is a little bit more successful with the parenting aspect for Tim (although he does absolutely disavow any responsibility for him as Robin-- he's basically like, well, the small child *made me* let him fight crime, so it's not my fault), and doesn't do the weird catty stuff with him that he does with Dick. Thinking about it in terms of like, Dick is maybe around 20-21 himself at this point, and Bruce is like 31-2, it makes a lot more sense that their relationship would be Weird. You're not supposed to have a son who's only 10-12 years your junior. So Bruce is capable of being reasonably fatherly with Tim, who is actually of an appropriate age to be his child, but with Dick it's like... This uncomfortable "we are both adults but also I used to bring you to school in the morning but also you were not actually a child long enough with me for that not almost feel kind of fake so now I don't know how to relate to you" thing instead.

The moral of the story, I guess, is that BTAS Bruce probably should not have bribed whatever lawyer he bribed to let him adopt a traumatized child when he was himself still more or less a traumatized child.

[royaleofury]

Hello, I'm Jasmine a Capricorn sun and virgo moon and You have my permission to read for me.

My question-What blessing are coming my way?

Anyways have an amazing day and i hope that you know your efforts and kindness is really appreciated. If by any chance the question is too much or just not something you are comfortable doing you are allowed to say no.

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How will you two meet?

I pulled out two cards for this question. One shows your partner( 7 of pentacles) and other shows you( 9 of cups)

So, with 7 of pentacles, I see that your partner will be quite laid back with all the signs that universe will give them before they meet you. I don't see them being extremely spiritual or believing in tarot or stuffs. They will be having a rest period, more like vacation. I guess you two may meet while they are taking break from the work. I am also hearing that your partner may be work from home , where they can even travel and do their work alongside. Their job doesn't require them to be on their toes all the time. It's like when the peak season comes, they have give in their all heart, while at other times , they need not be too productive. Also, your partner would not be expecting to meet you. It will be more like a random meet on the part of your spouse.

9 of cups which shows you indicates me that you are a naturally intuitive person. You may already get the feel that the connection is coming your way. You will be prepared for it unlike your spouse. I am hearing like " I am fully prepared, come my way". It's cute tbh. When you will meet them, I see you will have already achieved things that you wanted to in your life. You will be satisfied with your job, earnings, your life, etc. in general. The only thing that you will be waiting for is your spouse to come in and play their role. Also, number 9 can be especially important for you when you meet them. Keep looking for number 9 when you feel like it's time that they come in your life.

Personality traits of your spouse

I pulled out 3 cards for this and I got the high priestess , queen of cups(rv) and king of cups(rv).

With the high priestess, your spouse values deep, honest and open relationships. They are the kind of person who hates lies even though it doesn't hurt anyone. They just hate it. They want a person who is super honest and clear with them. They have their boundaries clear and I am getting that they know what kind of person they want. They may have dated quite a few people in the past and therefore, with some failed relationship, they, now, know the ideal partner for them. Once they start loving someone, they just give themselves to that person and show their vulnerable side to them. It must have hurt them before, which can be the reason why they hate lies altogether.

With the queen of cups rv, they dislike too much pda or the kind of partner who is very clingy. They have a mature outlook towards love and relationships in general. They believe that one doesn't have to be all the cutesy type to showcase their love to their partner. Even the messages I am getting from them are very straightforward. They don't play with people and words at all. They know what they want and if you don't give it to them , they can easily move on and not look back at all. They value their self care a lot more than others. They have reached a point in life where they know their worth and what they deserve.

With the king of cups rv, I see some of their shadow side. They are kinda moody and sometimes overly jealous when there is no need to. Sometimes, they might be emotionally unavailable after arguments but still get jealous. Your spouse can be quite a problem to deal with after a fight. They become chaotic after an argument. It's difficult to read their shadow side for me because of their chaotic energy during those times. But, I would say that they are very unpredictable at times. It might take you some time to know their real self.

Relationship dynamic with your spouse

I got 4 of swords in rv and the devil. I see a lot of healing on both of your sides with the first card. This relationship is gonna bring the realest form of you two. There will be challenges but each time they come, your bond will be stronger than before. You two are here to learn lessons from each other. There is lots of unfinished business on both of your parts. I see this as a past life connection. You two came back to solve the business you left. One day, you two are all lovey - dovey and next day, there's an argument, but by the end of the day, you two make up. The relationship will always keep you two on your toes.

With the devil card, I see your partner being extremely jealous. I got it before too and the devil card kinda confirms it. Your partner needs to keep that in control. Also, there's too much dependency on each other, to the point that arguments can really affect you two a lot. Sometimes, it may become toxic. And it's not just your partner doing all of these but you too. As I said, you two need to learn a lot while you both are together. It's a long ride but it's worth it. I am also getting some 18+ messages but I am not comfortable with sharing those. I am sorry about that.

[magicaldrop2]

Am going to ramble in the tags but i would rlly appreciate nice asks/distracting asks ;-;

[andromedia5]

Reasons for Dick Grayson’s gray hairs

First of all, Dick Grayson would age like fine wine and when I say gray hairs I mean Logan- silver fox, goddamn sex machine, curly haired Poseidon -Lerman gray hair.

He literally can’t remember the last time Jason ate a vegetable or anything that didn’t come out of a Chinese takeout container

His baby brother’s going to die again but this time from scurvy

Kory’s too good for him and Alfred and Bruce won’t let him forget it

His daughter (a literal princess) was born in New Jersey

Selina babysat Mar’i a lot when she was little and he’s still only just finding out about stuff she taught her

He lives in constant fear of her pulling off an Oceans’s 11 style heist

Taylor Swift dropped Evermore and no one was prepared for marjorie 

Damian once, completely serious, started a sentence with “Well for people of your age,”

Jake will talk to his grandparents at their graves, which would be sweet but he’s just talking shit about Dick

Tim and Steph watched Avatar with Mar’i when she was seven and her childhood crush on Zuko has kind of entirely, shaped her taste in guys

“DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MANY EMOTIONALLY UNAVAILABLE BOYS WITH SWORDS AND DADDY ISSUES, SHE KNOWS, KORY?”

Diana loaned Jake the jet and he forgot where he parked

Kory and Ivy are friends now and want to go on double dates

Sitting across from the woman who’s oversized mallet you spent most of your childhood dodging while your wives talk about plants is very awkward

He’s scared Babs is going to get fired because she keeps wearing acab shirts under her blazer after the gcpd really fucks up and be replaced by some other dirty cop

or worse, they’ll ask him to be commissioner

Mar’i should be going to therapy but the last time they got her to talk to Dinah, Mar’i tried to set her up with Babs 

He loves his wife and Jason makes fun of him for it

[analviel]

I think, that of all the kids that could've gone after Jason's death, Tim was the only one Bruce wouldn't have broken. I mean, pre-Jason's death, Bruce was a cool father. He wasn't the best but no one is and you'll always find fault in his parenting skills but he wasn't bad. He was a good father to Jason, speaking strictly before Jason's murder at the hands of Joker. But then he died and Bruce shut down, becoming almost completely emotionally unavailable borderline abusive.

And you see it in fanon a lot, how Tim came practically searching for a dad, but that is so far from how it actually was. Tim expected absolutely nothing from Bruce other than Tim providing help -hell, when his parents were held hostage, I don't remember where he'd even expected Bruce to save them (I mean they were in Haiti and it was a situation in itself). Tim's not going to search for something he already has. And because Tim didn't expect anything, he was never disappointed about not receiving because Tim didn't want to make Bruce proud, he just didn't want to disappoint him, he didn't want to be fired because then he'd failed. Because it honestly all went a lot better than one could've expected and there's no guarantee of there being a second chance to help, to try again, if he flunks this. Because Batman lost a Robin and a son. And you know what Tim did? He went to track down Dick because he is a Robin and a son.

If Cass came right after Jason died, for example taking Tim completely out of the pucture. I mean, kid who had an abusive dad and is practically a killing machine by herself and has killed and decided she didn't want that so she ran away to the streets, and not to mention that there was a time Bruce briefly suspected Shiva was Jason's mom- yeah, no, Bruce wouldn't trust himself with that and would either completely and utterly shut her out, or pressure her.

Steph? Um, see how that already happened. Steph was the more musically inclined incarnation of Jason in Bruce's eyes. Without Tim to buffer between them, it would've been even worse -if that could've somehow gone worse.

Damian?..... I don't really want to contemplate that since his welcome in canon was already disastrous, they would've killed each other, honestly, by accident or not. Feral Bruce is not at all compatible with feral child.

And also, who else would've thought to track down Dick first before proceeding.

Honestly, that's why I got so irritated with that thing about Tim supposedly wanting to be Robin. He may possibly have wanted to be Robin (in the same sense that he wanted to be a college student and not like in a fairy sense -which I still think was the case), but it did not exceed his common sense of not purposefully seeking out danger for glory (it was even an arc), trading his relatively peaceful and safe life for one of thrill and where teenagers get beaten and blown up to death, not without dire reason enough for him to go out of his way and completely upset his life, everything he's known until that moment -including that heroes do their thing and if he had any path he wanted to take that's outside of outright fantasy, it was following after Bruce Wayne Rich Philanthropist.

Regardless of wants and want nots, wanting to be Robin absolutely did not factor in the decision to put on the mask. At that instant, Batman just needed a Robin.

Batman didn't need a Robin to do things, Batman needed Robin to do things the right way.

Think about it, if Bruce just ever implied a you're a bad son, well, yeah, no I'm not your son. You're a bad partner, I'm the only one you got, I mean unless you've got someone else under those wings. How do you think Cass or Damian would've reacted to that? And just that general power imbalance between a parent who provides all emotional and physical needs of a child. Tim wasn't Bruce's dependant, nor did either of them saw it like that. Tim didn't need or want anything from Bruce and that's just perfect because there's nothing Bruce can give him.

Tim was supposed to be just the cover/back-up/partner in the field. He's taking the share of the Robin side of labour, while Dick is presumably taking the Son side of it.

This is not at all indicative to how it would develop later, which is an entirely different matter, when Tim is a lot more vulnerable and -if he'd even listened to the councillor- needed a stable support system in these trying times. Said support system that was dropping like flies or he had trouble maintaining a constant contact due to missions and life in general.

[underthe-redhood]

"Our Last Chance"

1st off; the pairing of Bart Allen and a batsis is so flavourful and I love it

We already have characterisation within the first couple chapters bc batsis feels responsible for or at least dutiful to keeping the family together (it's giving middle child/child of divorce), and clear relationships set up with potential to be explored;

Is there a reason she feels so attached to Dick? Is it just because she managed to join the family after he had gotten out of his angsty phase and was ready to overcompensate for losing Jason? She would have to be closest in age to Tim so is there some rivalry or respect there? I think you mentioned Damian being a little upset upon first meeting batsis and realising he's not the only OR the first blood child/child with both parents and I can imagine there would be some jealousy and insecurity from both sides, Damian thinks her parents still love each other (and they do, but they're relationship is just as complicated as Bruce and Talia), batsis who knows they can't measure up to him skill wise BC of all his training so it feels like he just came along and was better than her despite being younger.

Does batsis have a hero name? Has she already gone through her 'estranged from Bruce and striking out on my own' phase or is that yet to come? Does she ever feel she might be in the shadow of her parents and brothers, especially considering the tension of her parents being on different sides (though not entirely opposite). We know Bruce isn't always the best at expressing his emotions so has he ever opposed the idea of batsis associating with her mum and aunts bc he doesn't want her to be associated with him if shes fraternising with criminals.

Has she ever felt the sting of betrayal knowing that she represents his 'weakness into temptation'? Did that sting become a white hot burning when she realised he strayed again by hurting Dick and Batgirl? I like how she shows some of Bruce's irrational thinking in a way that is so much like a child that it tugs at the heartstrings - all she wants is to fix it but it's not something that can be fixed and yet she still finds a way. Also love how she feels hurt and things but doesn't resort to hostility or blame and instead works on compartmentalising ways to fix it - it really feels like she's Batman's kid and it's a subtle hint of her character.

- btw I'm going to be going by 🐌 if that's ok

omg i’m so excited i’ve never gotten an ask like this before!! and going by 🐌 is more than okay!

- 1st, thank you so much! thanks to young justice i’m slightly obsessed with him

- i’m definitely going for child of divorce vibes and i’m really glad it’s easy to pick up on!

- i think dick is secretly everyone’s favorite. he’s technically the older brother but since bruce was always emotionally unavailable he’s the type of older sibling that had to act like the dad. i definitely love the concept of overcompensating after jason’s death! i think the reason batsis is so extra close to dick is probably because she met him first. since she’s selena’s kid, she’s been around from the start so when bruce took in dick she was already there. granted, because of the ages she probably doesn’t remember the early beginning but that also means she essentially grew up with him.

- you’re right about her being close to age with tim their age difference is about 5 or 6 months, the way i kinda see their ages would be dick is 21, jason is 19, tim is 17, batsis is 16-17, and damian is 14. there’s definitely some rivalry, but it’s not much and nothing serious because batsis never tries to compete for anything academic with him and she doesn’t really have an official spot with the titans so they don’t have to compete there either. the only competition would be batman-related, and since it has to do with him they know not to let it get between them because quite frankly gotham isn’t worth their relationship

- damian met her at the same time he met bruce, so he was able to get used to them at the same time. it definitely sucked for him knowing that bruce was always more likely to choose selena over talia, but overtime he started to agree with the decision. i’d say there’s more rivalry between her and damian than there is between her and tim, simply because of damian’s ego. he loves her but he also sometimes feels the need to be the better blood-child, of course the rivalry is completely one-sided but i can imagine there being times when he’s taken it just a bit far. occasionally batsis will feel a little inferior because they don’t have the same skill-set as damian, but being a vigilante isn’t as important to them as it is to someone like batman. it matters, but not to the point where they’ll drive themself crazy.

- batsis does have a hero name! in this story it’s set as her being “bluejay” because it’s one of my favorite birds, they’re just so sassy!! as the for the “estranged from bruce” phase, she hasn’t been through it yet but i’m thinking this whole situation could definitely be what sets it off. she doesn’t necessarily feel like she’s in the shadow of her parents, but it has caused an identity crisis for her more than once! we’ve seen many times that bruce and selena have fairly different moral codes, and that’s made it really hard for batsis to navigate what she thinks is right or wrong and why she thinks that. she looks up to her parents, but she doesn’t want to be either of them. it’s especially hard because occasionally when she’s out with her mom, no one will trust her and will compare to her dad. and when she’s out with batman, things could easily be pinned on her because of her mom and the people she hangs around. i’d say it’s different from living in their shadows, but their choices heavily impact her life for sure.

- bruce and everyone really (except kinda jason bc he knows batsis doesn’t hang around the joker) don’t like it when batsis hangs around the villains and have tried to use her to get info on them, which has been hard on her because she doesn’t want to betray anyone’s trust. so, she tries really hard to separate her lives depending on who she’s hanging out with

- omg bruce “giving into temptation” was actually something i’m planning on writing about later on in the story!

- thank you, it might not work out for her but she’s definitely gonna try whatever she can

-omg yes, she just can’t bring herself to hate barbara and bruce because of all she’s been through with them. and if they never do what they did, then she doesn’t have to hate them! i’m so glad you think her character fits in with the batfamily!

[bigskydreaming]

Something I don’t think I’ve ever seen explored but that could be a possibly interesting subversion of the common conception that Dick is Bruce’s favorite, even according to his other children:

What if the things they viewed as favoritism were really just overcompensation? For instance, when Dick and Bruce started being presences in each other’s lives again after Tim became Robin, it was a gradual thing, they only slowly kind of got used to being around each other again over time. As I’ve often said in the past, my big gripe about this, and why I so intensely dislike all of that being framed as Tim being a catalyst for reuniting them, is its precisely BECAUSE of how it all played out that way, that Bruce....never actually needed to apologize or make amends to Dick or even ASK for him to come back....which compounded the fact that he’d never really ever gotten around to doing all of that because of the conflict between them for other reasons before Jason’s death happened.

And I do think a lot of that has to do with Bruce’s tendencies towards self-flagellation, though this doesn’t excuse it. I honestly do believe that it’d be perfectly in character if the reason Bruce never apologized for all that even then was because he didn’t think what he’d done WAS forgivable, so it felt....false to him, to try and ask for forgiveness. What this fails to consider though, is that apologizing, making amends, TRYING to make up for what you did to the other person.....its not about WHETHER or not they forgive you, or think they can.

Its simply about acknowledging wrong and harm done, and saying....you’re sorry. You regret it. You know it was a mistake and that you can’t take it back, but you just want them to know you’re....not unaware of the harm you caused.

After that, yeah, the ball is in their court, but if you never actually put that out there, how are they ever supposed to truly KNOW that you know that? Believe that?

How can people ever be asked or expected to grant forgiveness when its so commonly depicted as though for the people who hurt them, even just ASKING for it is harder than it must be for the people who WERE hurt to GRANT it?

But Bruce is very much someone who believes that actions speak louder than words, so I could see someone taking the angle that he tries to EXPRESS his regret to Dick in other ways, through various actions and behaviors with or around him.....which could be construed to others in the family as displays of favoritism....

Because they’d have no way or any reason to think of them as attempts at amends or expressions of regret, like they would, say, if any of those similar behaviors were exhibited around Jason - whether they were accepted by Jason or brushed off. Point being, they would GET that this was what it was with Jason, because they’re all aware Jason is angry at Bruce for very specific things, with most of them being aware what MOST of those things are (definitely not counting the ending of UTRH). 

(And just pointing out here again for emphasis since its not like I tack it on as a qualifier in all my posts, but I honestly hate how frequently various parts of fandom decide one character or another is Bruce’s favorite or worse, that this is OKAY, like its not a fundamental problem if he definitively has a favorite. Of course that creates divides in a family. To me, ideally, a healthy Batfam has no favorites, they just have members of the family who are more favorite to them in SOME ways than in others. 

For instance, I also dislike the idea that Damian is Dick’s favorite, but I don’t think the closeness of their relationship is threatened or mitigated by acknowledging that the bonds between Dick and his other siblings are just as strong, just in different ways. That its ‘special’ with Damian in a way it isn’t with the others because of how close they got that year Dick practically raised him, that makes the nature of their relationship different. But its equally ‘special’ with Jason, because Jason was Dick’s FIRST brother, they were each other’s first family beyond just parental figures, there’s a significance to that which doesn’t just go away, and still neither of those undervalues the fact that Tim and Dick spent years being close as the only two brothers, who had only each other and Bruce, and Bruce sometimes being emotionally or even physically unavailable to turn to making it that much more necessary for them to turn to each other, essentially, between Jason’s death and return and even after Cass became a presence in their lives, due to her usually going to Babs for the kinds of things Dick and Tim would work through together, and then of course Cass is Dick’s only sister which puts her in another category altogether, not better or worse, its simply that Cass is neither Dick’s brother nor was she ever a Robin so they have a relationship that for example, whatever else it consists of, will never be defined or threatened by any of the issues that have plagued the family when it comes to the Robin succession. And Duke and Dick’s dynamic of course is still basically just whatever the hell you individually decide it to be because hahahaha what if you wrote them interacting for more than like, one issue only, DC HMMM?

Point being - FUCK family favorites. The whole idea is stupid and toxic and IMO fundamentally incompatible with an actual healthy, functional Batfamily, so it kinda blows my mind when I see people UPHOLDING the idea of this character being so and so’s favorite or everyone knows Dick is Bruce’s favorite and Jason is Alfred’s favorite and Damian is Dick’s favorite....no. Why. Stop that. They can all be special to each other in entirely different ways for entirely different reasons. Family is not a zero sum game. And none of this means that there aren’t some of them who just GET ALONG better than they do with the others at sometimes, or like these two just tend to have more fun with each other, or this is who this one usually goes to when this happens, etc. There’s nothing wrong with that, that’s good, it just means.....things are different between different members of the family. That doesn’t have to equal FAVORITES though. Favorite to share this particular activity with? Sure. OVERALL though? Miss me).

ANYWAY.

Detour aside and circling back to my point.....say for instance the other kids see Bruce appear to be making an effort with Jason, singling him out for praise or acknowledgment....its not hard for them to imagine reasons WHY Bruce might be doing that, which don’t automatically equate to an insecure conviction that Bruce just loves Jason more than them and he’s his favorite....because there are other explanations, other reasons why Bruce might feel a need to act differently with Jason than he does with the rest of them, things unique to their dynamic. Similarly, say for instance Bruce is written making a particular effort with Damian to acknowledge him - there’s lots more angles to spin it as than just favoritism, they had a very rocky start everyone in the family is aware of, so its more likely to just read as like....Bruce making more of an effort where its already understandable to everyone else that an effort is merited. 

And Bruce HAS admittedly at different times been written as very clearly making an effort and being a good father to his kids, like, the capacity has always been there of course. But there were ‘good times’ with Bruce and Jason, with Bruce and Dick, with Bruce and Tim, etc, etc. So when the effort being seen comes paired with an understandable or apparent GAP the others are aware of.....the effort is easily seen as nothing more than BRIDGING the already existant gap, rather than....advancing that one particular child AHEAD of the others.

So much of the conflict between Bruce and Dick during Jason’s time as Robin stemmed from the fact that.....there was a huge, existing gap between Bruce and Dick even BEFORE Bruce took Jason in....and there was no effort made by Bruce during that time to bridge that gap. And then Bruce took Jason in, adopted him, made him Robin....STILL while making no attempt to reach out to Dick, make amends, bridge the gap he was steadily INCREASING between both boys and their respective relationships with him....so y’know, its kinda hard NOT to see or at least understandably imagine favoritism from Dick’s POV there....

BUT, its also easy to imagine why from the other kids’ perspectives, Dick might be Bruce’s favorite or the one he’s closest with, and its not because he’s perfect or the original or anything like that, but rather just....time.

Quite simply, Dick is the one kid Bruce spent the most time with, before any of the others joined the family. He spent a good eight years growing up in the manor, Bruce’s only family other than Alfred. Its quite easy and understandable to imagine from the perspective of the ones who came later, this would translate into more closeness, more ease and familiarity, even more respect, more love......because that thing that they each have with Bruce to some degree, that makes them family, the time spent with him, the comfort or praise they’ve received from him, purely in an empirical sense, in terms of rough numbers if nothing else, Dick has had more of it. Bruce has given more of it. 

Of course they’re resentful or assume they can’t measure up, in light of that. How can the mere two or three years some of them have had as Bruce’s family compete with the eight Dick had and that’s even just before any of the others came along at all.

So they look at Bruce making an effort with Dick, the way he doesn’t always do with them, they see Bruce making a point to acknowledge Dick or praise him or express he’s putting his faith in him - all the things they’re all eager to hear - and the easiest and most obvious conclusion to draw when asking themselves “why is he like that with Dick, but not with me, or at least never as much”....is that its because of that essential element Dick and Bruce’s relationship has that none of the others do.....time.

The problem is, of course.....they don’t have the whole perspective, and they’re drawing conclusions without paying proper consideration to all the possible alternatives.

Because yes, Bruce and Dick’s relationship has had more time to encompass so many of the good moments and the positives between them......but the reverse is equally true. Its had that much more time to encompass the bad moments and the negatives in their relationship as well. And this is part of the narrative trap created when not focusing on or even just acknowledging the downs of Dick and Bruce’s relationship, specifically where the burden of responsibility is on Bruce.....because it sets up a quandary - “Bruce often behaves differently with Dick than he does with his other children” - but only allows certain interpretations to be read in as possible explanations for this. 

So the second you lock in the take that Bruce’s relationship with Dick has never really HAD any low moments because Dick wasn’t fired, they weren’t estranged for years (though cough cough, what’s your explanation for Bruce’s absence from major defining stories of Dick’s at the time where he really could have used some comfort or support from Bruce, like the Church of Blood or Titans Hunt BUT I DIGRESS), and NTT #55 certainly didn’t happen, then its like.....you’ve reduced the intricacies of their dynamic and past history down to only its fundamental positives, and as such are only really showcasing Bruce being more positive than not with Dick while layering in the impression that this is the way its always been.....

And not only are you giving cause to the other children looking at this dynamic and seeing only one possible explanation - whether or not its just because they’ve spent more time together, Dick is Bruce’s favorite and always will be - you’re also creating the inevitability that Dick pretty much MUST be written as equally positive towards Bruce at all times - aka appearing as the loyal footsoldier his siblings often accuse him of being, particularly when they’re having their own conflicts with Bruce and Dick is defending him - OR if you write Dick as behaving negatively towards Bruce or making complaints of his own against Bruce....who in the eyes of all the others, clearly already favors Dick more than them as is.....it makes Dick look like a spoiled, ungrateful asshole who can’t even appreciate the fact that Bruce already loves and respects him more than he does any of them, like nothing will ever be good enough for him.

Basically, as is a fairly common theme for me, lol, my point is that I think a lot of the more negative and two-dimensional portrayals of Dick in fandom come not even from writers innately or initially seeing HIM that way....but rather are just a symptom of the corners many often write themselves into simply by REFUSING to write other characters in certain negative ways....without paying consideration to the ripple effects this would have on the dynamic between both characters overall. And then more readers and fans internalize these negative and two-dimensional portrayals of Dick and add them or have them feed into their own predispositions towards any of the other characters aside from him, and it kinda creates and perpetuates this whole self-sustaining cycle, where Dick so often becomes the ‘bad guy’ in family conflicts purely because writers won’t LET anyone ELSE ever be even just more responsible for a conflict with him.

But the second you put back even just ONE of the elements often cut out from Bruce and Dick’s relationship in support of Bruce, whether its firing Dick, not trying to make amends with him the whole time Jason lived with Bruce, the scene between them after Jason’s death......

Suddenly, you’ve got another explanation for why Bruce might be making MORE of an effort with Dick at times, to show he appreciates him, loves him, is proud of him.....because Bruce fucked up, and he doesn’t know how to fix it. And this is his awkward way of trying to show and not tell, because he doesn’t think the telling is ever going to be good enough, and its not even that Dick’s too petty or spiteful to ever accept Bruce’s apology, its that because its never taken the form of an ACTUAL apology, an ACTUAL acknowledgment of wrongdoing and an attempt to make amends.....its more likely Dick not seeing it for what it is on Bruce’s part is just Dick not wanting to set himself up for more disappointment, figuring he might be reading more into it than is actually there just because he WANTS to believe its an apology of some sort, he WANTS to forgive Bruce and get back at least some of what they lost over the years.

And meanwhile, from all the other kids’ perspectives, they see Bruce clearly making SOME kind of an effort with Dick that he doesn’t always make with them, and that when he does, usually its paired with something in their mind that makes it read as “oh that’s why he’s behaving this way” rather than “oh, clearly, this is proof I am The Favored One,”...BUT having access to only parts of the picture and no clue about a lot of the rest, working off of limited evidence, there’s no real way for them TO draw the correct conclusion....that this is Bruce trying to make RIGHT something that went WRONG.....not Bruce just lavishing Dick with praise and respect and recognition any of them would kill for and he seems to get for no reason....other than the obvious one....Dick’s the first, the original, the one who has a decade headstart on all of us in Bruce’s eyes and who we thus will never be able to catch up to so why try, hey, we should totally just, stab Caesar.

[murderslugs]

How would all the pastas be as parents?

I only did like 3 or 4 for each cause like....that's a lot of characters, it'd be different if you chose like 3 or 5.

Masky/Tim

He's really nervous about having a kid. He's just afraid of how he might affect them negatively.

He is a really protective dad, he tries his best to be there for his kid and keep them safe.

He has trouble with the thought of his kid growing up. He doesn't like the thought of them moving away and becoming something bad, despite his efforts to raise them well.

Jeff

He has a bad temper, which can come off as...not great. Especially with parenting. But he tries his best to suppress it.

He is horrified of being like his parents, because of how they caused him to turn out. He just tries so hard to be the opposite of everything they were. He wants the best for this kid.

Looking at his kid reminds him of himself when he was younger, before he was so far gone, and scares him a little, but pushes his determination to try his best.

Ben

He is the kind that is VERY playful with his kid!! Constantly wanting to play catch or dolls or video games or whatever they want with them :)

As the same with Jeff, he is scared of being anything like his dad. So, he does everything he can to avoid it. Though, sometimes he overdoes it. He often ends up absolutely SPOILING his kid.

Jealous parent!!! If he ain't the favorite parents he's gonna c r y

Toby

He is soooooooo excited to be a dad. He would constantly be buying toys and clothes and stuff for the kid :)

Can and WOULD have one of those "world's best dad" mugs.

The type of dad that will give his kid advice like "oh, you're being bullied? Kick em in the nuts." But if they actually got in a fight, he would freak out and be like "are you okay??? Oh my god my baby-- YOU ARE GROUNDED never do that again you could have gotten hurt :(("

Brian/Hoodie

He is in complete denial at first. First few months of the pregnancy, he is supportive of his s/o, but also doubts deep in his mind that it's his kid. He even contemplates leaving, but would never say it aloud.

The first time he hold the kid though, there is an IMMEDIATE spark. He just KNOWS. And he decides he will never leave this kid alone or hurt them.

He's always been really emotionally available and gentle and vulnerable with his kid. He always wants them to know they can come to him when they need to. He loves them with his whole heart.

Jane

She cried when she found out she'd be a mother. She wanted so much to raise a kid to be a wonderful human being.

She would be supportive of her kid, and say fuck off to gender roles. Her lil boy wants barbies? Hell yeah! Her lil girl wants Hot Wheels? Hell yeah!! She will be as accepting as possible their whole life.

She always tries to think of herself as a good mom, but she is fairly protective. Gives them rules, a curfew, the whole set. With reason of course, she still wants them happy.

Slender

I've already done a whole hc thing for him being a dad if you wanna go check it out :)

Clockwork

The true "cool mom." Well, the stereotype. You wanna drink/smoke? Sure, whatever. She'd rather it happen in her house under supervision than out and having something bad happen. She just wants them comfy with her.

Raises her kid on punk rock and horror. She wants to raise a little rocker/emo or whatever. But ofc, if they didn't end up like that...she still supports them.

She often comes off as emotionally unavailable, despite her best efforts :(

EJ

He is HYPED. He is gonna have the raddest lil baby ever B) He's going to put shades on them and dye their hair when they are old enough and if they want it.

He's gonna be super protective of them in their teenage years. He wants the best for them, even if as a demon serial killer...he may not really know what's best.

In their early years, he gives him at-home boyscout training. Healthcare training, nature training, basic skills, etc. He even loves taking his kid for hikes and such :)

[allebooklover]

Hardison and Parker and Elliot wanted a family, while Sophie and Nate wanted a team. Sophie was willing to play along (and even got attached), while Nate was just, he plain didnt want to because to lose family again would crack him into pieces especially in such risky circumstances (including the above and tag reasoning) and these combined makes it plausible that the reason why Nate shuts down Hardison so badly is because Hardison is trying to get the dynamic Nate is afraid of (and combined with the above and tags reasoning). It’s fascinating.

(Seriously read the tags, anything before my thoughts is takiki16 and it’s good)

I have so many feels about Hardison. Hardison, who thought “it was kind of cool being on the same side” when nobody else would admit it. Who painted that big, ugly picture as a joke, but carted it around everywhere they ended up moving like a family heirloom.  Who worked so hard to build them an office that functioned like a home everywhere that they went - bought a building, bought an entire fucking brewery  (and ran the damn thing, with fair hiring practices and, after a few missteps, fairly good beer no matter what Eliot says) to give them space to work. Who kept Nate’s secrets.

I think what chafes me most about the show is how much Hardison gave and gave and gave for that crew, and how much Nate took without ever giving back. Eliot was mean the way a big brother snaps or a kid pulls their crush’s pigtails (I like to think somewhere in between). Nate was cruel in his dismissiveness and irrational expectations, the way he shut down Hardison every time he showed too much pride - like a kid showing off and hoping to be praised by dad and getting chewed out instead. Because he was just trying to build a family all along. I think he got a taste of that, growing up, was lucky enough to stumble into his Nana’s care - but he never had a normal family, and he was always the odd man out at school, the nerd, the kid who finished his work before the rest of the class had even written the names on the page and acted out, started stealing, because he was just so damn bored. Kids can be so cruel and he found his validation online, sometimes through games and sometimes through the people who hired him to steal information or money. 

Still, better than any of them anymore, Hardison is the one who knows what family actually looks like. Eliot drowned the man who had a normal family in blood a decade or more ago. Nate did his best to forget when he lost his own. Parker never had one. Sophie won’t tell, but girls like her don’t come out of good places. Hardison saw it and for a little while he had it, unconventional but all his. He’s just trying to create a new one for himself by giving them everything he can: his money, his designer homes, his grocery delivery orders with everyone’s favorites (just as long as Eliot cooks it), his carefully crafted briefings, his mind - the smartest one anyone of them has ever known. I always feel like he didn’t really succeed until Nate and Sophie left. Nate’s crew, Hardison’s family.

[awellboiledicicle]

Can we discuss that Tim’s friend told him he thought a Cubone would be a great pokemon partner for him, and Tim’s face just instantly gets That Look?

Tim has a huge pokemon knowledge base, enough that he can just name off pokemon battle moves after years of not looking things up due to apathy. He’d know exactly the situation Cubone is in p much instantly.

Why does his friend say they’re perfect together? It’s voiced that he thinks Tim’s lonely when Tim says it, but i think theres another reason.

They both lost their moms in a way the viewers don’t know the details about outside of vague details. 

I’m guessing Tim thought his friend just wanted to take in this pokemon to relive their kid days of catching and befriending pokemon. Again, he knows whats going on with Cubone and--given his friend is so concerned about him, in addition to what he says about his mom bringing him milk after a bad dream etc-- he’s probably a kind dude. 

So, it probably fits Tims expectations there.  And then it falls into place and its a “Neither of us wants to comment that you lost your mom, but you could bond with this pokemon who also lost its mom and have someone to maybe work through your trauma with. I, as your friend, want you to not be alone when I move away.”

And like, Tim--being emotionally unavailable when faced with these things--just nosedives connecting to this little pokemon because there IS that emotional connection and respect that has to happen for a pokemon to get caught. 

I bring this up because now i CAN in fact see him catching and bonding with a Cubone in addition to being chill with his dads pikachu

[viktcrr-alt]

MAXENCE DANET FAUVAL / NONBINARY — don’t look now, but is that viktor samuels i see? the 24 year old visual arts student is in their senior year and he/they are a rochester alum. i hear they can be observant, ingenious, reticent and dependent, so maybe keep that in mind. i bet he/they will make a name for themselves living in garcia row. ( james. 20. est. she/they. )

LAST INTRO WOOOO !! u know what to mf DO !!

TW DEATH, HEAVY GRIEF, OVERDOSE / DRUG ADDICTION, HOSPITALIZATION, HYPERSEXUALITY, RELIGION MENTIONS, MENTAL ILLNESS

a e s t h e t i c s

old tvs and their static, worn tapes, horror movie screams, spilled ink, a sculptor’s hands, clay-stained, chicken scratch handwriting, messy notes, messy hair, scoffs and eye-rolls, bruised knuckles, sore throats, funeral homes and a crying preacher, shattered ceramics, knife fights, high ledges, vertically-striped pants, red lights, the moon shrouded in clouds, cigarette butts.

general info !!

full name: viktor phillip samuels

nickname(s): icky vicky :/

b.o.d. - jan 2nd

label(s): the black hole, the crepehanger, the impious, the opaque, the tempest, etc.

height: 6′0″

hometown: rochester, new york

sexuality: uuuhhh god … probably pan tbh

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biography !!

okay so … born and raised in rochester, new york to the well known samuels family. preacher father, a mother, a twin sister born 15 minutes before him - aka tatiana samuels, who died back in january.

kinda … grew up as a really awkward, quiet kid? like … just didn’t really interact with other kids super well, preferred being alone and like … digging up bugs in the dirt. only friend was like … his own sister.

grew out of this as they got older, instead sort of … becoming a bit of a dick? to compensate for years of awkwardness? will bite the hand that feeds him. was a full on nuisance by middle school. tatiana was not, at least, noticeably.

has always been a fan of darker materials, y’know - grim and creepy, morbid shit. big fan of tim burton ever since he was a kid, which isn’t … a good look for a preacher’s son, but he’s never really felt ~in~ with the rest of his family, anyway.

drew disturbing pictures as a kid probably tbh that prompted one or two or five phone calls home 2 assure everything was fine.

has always been really … good at art, in general - from drawing to painting to playing with clay, that’s always been viktor’s Thing.

aNyWaYs. being tatiana’s twin brother was kinda hard sometimes. tatiana and him were near opposites besides their same mean-spirited trait. she was better in the public than he was, but viktor was arguably more talented than tatiana. they both loved each other deeply and found each other as competition for their parents’ attention - a rivalry, of sorts.

high school is when viktor really started to act out - started extreme, like losing his virginity in their church and vandalism around the neighborhoods. faked being possessed in the middle of sunday service. almost had an exorcism performed on him, probably.

the only redeemable trait was like … his sheer talent with art. was in a 3d art AP course, specialized in sculpting - could pretty much create anything he wanted with enough dedication.

because his parents would be focused on disciplining him for his antics, tatiana could sneak away and get away with stuff easier. so like, y’know, that’s on the bright-side of things.

never been particularly motivated to do much - wasn’t planning on attending lockwood but his parents kinda … did and sent in his application for him b/c they were Not on board with him Wasting Away (wanted him out of the house asap)

actually pretty smart !! just doesn’t like … want to apply himself ever. double majoring in english and visual arts because they’re like … two of his only interests :/ plus he wants to write and illustrate his own series of children books with a style similar to tim burton’s

he’d been experimenting since high school but college is where he really started to like … crack down on himself and figure himself out. was out as pan & nonbinary by his sophomore year of college, just … not to his family, necessarily. thinks tatiana always knew, but didn’t … really use it against him, blessedly enough

always felt like the whole twin - connection thing was … both wack and also not-wack? sometimes it felt believable but sometimes he had no idea what was going on in tatiana’s head. but he felt oddly transparent to her, always - like he was predictable to no one but her.

( TW DEATH, GRIEF, OVERDOSE / HOSPITALIZATION BEYOND THIS POINT )

but when tatiana disappeared - it was like, like viktor knew. the moment she had been kidnapped - felt something deeply wrong in his gut. and when tatiana died - viktor felt something cut so severely in him. he knew, he always knew exactly when. he couldn’t put his finger on how - but he knew. even when everybody else held out hope for her to be found - he knew.

went on a bender around the same time, had always struggled w/ drug addiction but it got worse the longer tatiana went without being found.

( also struggled heavily with his mental health, too ?? has manic and depressive episodes. will fixate on a sculpting project for six months and then purposely knock it off the table and destroy it in the matter of seconds once it’s finished for. no fucking reason. impulse spends A Lot. )

when her body was found, viktor went off the rails. ended up overdosing and being hospitalized where he spent the next like … however long months … until they deemed him better.

has been back since the beginning of fall semester in an attempt to finish his senior year - mostly out of his parents’ insistence that he did, because he very much did not want to. 

is still dealing with a lot of trauma & grief, which was only amplified with dean lockwood’s death - causing him to spiral and be unpredictable with his mental health. some days are good, and some days are very bad.

personality !!

the human embodiment of a gremlin, fed after midnight. a goblin, if u will. one of those cats with a narrow head and big ass ears. that’s him.

b i g horror & halloween enthusiast. loves the old campy horror movies. probably has an abundance of masks from different movies. dresses like a grimy millennial beetlejuice more than he should. love those vertically striped pants!

fashion alternates between e-boy (would b tik tok famous if he were like … 17), millennial beetlejuice, and like … goth in a crop top and sweatpants. big fan of crop tops. big fan of sweatpants.

he can be fucking mean. petty, aggressive, instigator. will literally spit in ur face or no reason. kind of person who’ll stick his gum into other ppl’s hair. other than that he’s like … pretty okay. he’s not always mean, he’s just a dick like … 70% of the time lmao

i mean yeah okay he’ll call someone a stinky bitch for no reason except He Feels Like It And Believes It. it’s fine he’s fine, we’re fine.

despite the fact tht he’s probably getting into fights whenever - considers himself 2 be a lover n not a fighter but that’s just because he Fucks a lot. kind of uses it like a coping mechanism, like he’s this big fancy carnival show that’s like ‘come one, come all! fuck the dead girl’s twin brother!’ may have a problem w/ hypersexuality but it’s nothing he’s fully. aware of.

the preacher’s whore son, basically

like i said he’s pan & nb, switches between he and they pronouns but like … he has such a fragile grip on his identity that u could call him ‘dog-faced bitch’ and he’d turn like hey wassup :)

vastly impulsive, like i’ve mentioned … destroys his own creations 4 the fun of it, spends all his money on useless shit, will cheat on someone bc he feels like it. screams into the night sky frequently, like a cat in heat.

i mean he also creates useless shit for no reason too. spent six months sculpting a hollowed out tree the size of him and then took a sledgehammer to it.

dramatic fuck. used to play the organ at the church like … when no one was looking after him and service was about to start. just these creepy as melodies. would do the same thing at home on his keyboard w/ the organ setting whenever he got grounded until his parents took away his keyboard sadjfkg

won’t talk about his time away b/c it’s not rly anybody’s business but ofc nothing is sacred to the watershed app, y’know, nothing’s private.

still like - he absolutely refuses to talk about tatiana’s death and like, his mental health or his addiction (he’s fallen back into it tbh but it hasn’t gotten bad again … yet) or like … anything involving his own emotions

will literally just change the topic! abruptly, no warning, asks about the jonas brothers instead.

that being said he’s obsessed with tatiana’s death. tatiana was very much a rock for him, kinda dependent on her in a way? just … being there, y’know, kept him grounded.

so he obv became a shepherd bc he wants to know Everything there is abt the app, wants to be deep inside it, wanted to know Who Exactly Killed Tatiana and like … not saying he wants 2 commit murder but :/ yknow. he’s very upset.

emotionally unavailable while also like crying twice a day.

will tell you straight up what he wants from you, no bullshit, no beating around the bush - just blunt. if he wants to just fuck, nothing else, then that’s that. if he feels deviation he’ll ghost in like. less than a second. kinda awful like that! feels no shame.

but like … also is emotional ?? as shit ?? it’s confusing. he’ll cry on a whim and then flip u off if u try to console him or like. ask him anything. will bite you.

he goes to therapy but he generally fucks around and wastes most of the time until the therapist threatens to like … idk what therapists r allowed to threaten. to send him off to another therapist? idk.

likes being intimidating but like … not with his body or nothing ‘cos he’s a TWIG, but like … uses his love for horror n creepy shit to his advantage. has an abundance of fake blood. has channeled the energy of jack nicholson and used it on tatiana’s boyfriends before.

( also a big fan of sfx makeup, has dabbled in it)

probably chases kids with a chainsaw (w/o the like … chain … or w/e … so it’s not actually Dangerous) around halloween

he’s generally never doing good, both mental health wise and morally.

would probably steal candy from a baby for the fun of it.

i don’t know if there’s a good to him, deep down, and i don’t know if he sees any issues with himself either !! nothing really breaks through to him anymore, the only person who ever really made him stop and Think about his actions was tatiana.

kinda introverted, recluse type who doesn’t rly like most people or going out, but he’ll go to parties if it means he’ll be high as shit.

pretty observant. likes to analyze people even though he’s probably not … fully right.

wanted connections !!

he lives alone currently but like … ex - roommates where viktor was just. a nightmare to live with.

feel like a lot of enemies is also a possibility !! viktor’s messy.

people that like … knew tatiana. dated tatiana, even, and viktor would pretty much try to intimidate / scare them at any given chance :/

close friends of tatiana too

people who hated tatiana but liked viktor. people who hated viktor but liked tatiana

people who take pity on him and he Hates it viciously and vocally.

a band of hooligan gremlin kids who do drugs and fuck shit up around town like they’re edgy teenagers even though they’re all early to mid 20s.

the girl he lost his virginity 2 in high school lmao … a distant memory

fellow rochester locals, from church or school or whatever

exes from the past !! good terms and bad terms, but i love bad terms a whole lot mainly b/c viktor’s a jackass.

don’t know if he’s soft towards anybody but we can try. we can Try.

friends, old friends, new friends, bad friends, good friends, close friends, frenemies, etc. etc. all of it

hookups !! so many hookups. fwbs, one night stands, whatever.

uuhhhh god. i don’t know. im so sleepy rn. people in the same major or similar majors.

maybe a ride or die.

people he’s a bad influence on / an enabler towards / all around toxic for them / each other.

people he’s fought !! people who’ve seen him get into random fights and were like ‘uh wtf’

fellow shepherds !!

literally anything im not picky.

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MAXENCE DANET FAUVEL / NONBINARY. — viktor samuels is really making a name for themselves as a tier 3 shepherd. i think that he/they are studying english + visual arts in their senior year at lockwood, living in peregrinis. originally from rochester, new york, viktor is known to be observant & ingenious, but can also be reticent & dependent. — james / 20 / est / she/they.

3/5 !!! once again ... little edits

TW DEATH, HEAVY GRIEF, OVERDOSE / DRUG ADDICTION, HOSPITALIZATION, HYPERSEXUALITY, RELIGION MENTIONS, MENTAL ILLNESS

a e s t h e t i c s

old tvs and their static, worn tapes, horror movie screams, spilled ink, a sculptor’s hands, clay-stained, chicken scratch handwriting, messy notes, messy hair, scoffs and eye-rolls, bruised knuckles, sore throats, funeral homes and a crying preacher, shattered ceramics, knife fights, high ledges, vertically-striped pants, red lights, the moon shrouded in clouds, cigarette butts.

general info !!

full name: viktor phillip samuels

nickname(s): icky vicky :/

b.o.d. - jan 2nd

label(s): the black hole, the crepehanger, the impious, the opaque, the tempest, etc.

height: 6′0″

hometown: rochester, new york

sexuality: uuuhhh god … probably pan tbh

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biography !!

okay so … born and raised in rochester, new york to the well known samuels family. preacher father, a mother, a twin sister born 15 minutes before him - aka tatiana samuels, who died back in january.

kinda … grew up as a really awkward, quiet kid? like … just didn’t really interact with other kids super well, preferred being alone and like … digging up bugs in the dirt. only friend was like … his own sister.

grew out of this as they got older, instead sort of … becoming a bit of a dick? to compensate for years of awkwardness? will bite the hand that feeds him. was a full on nuisance by middle school. tatiana was not, at least, noticeably.

has always been a fan of darker materials, y’know - grim and creepy, morbid shit. big fan of tim burton ever since he was a kid, which isn’t … a good look for a preacher’s son, but he’s never really felt ~in~ with the rest of his family, anyway.

drew disturbing pictures as a kid probably tbh that prompted one or two or five phone calls home 2 assure everything was fine.

has always been really … good at art, in general - from drawing to painting to playing with clay, that’s always been viktor’s Thing.

aNyWaYs. being tatiana’s twin brother was kinda hard sometimes. tatiana and him were near opposites besides their same mean-spirited trait. she was better in the public than he was, but viktor was arguably more talented than tatiana. they both loved each other deeply and found each other as competition for their parents’ attention - a rivalry, of sorts.

high school is when viktor really started to act out - started extreme, like losing his virginity in their church and vandalism around the neighborhoods. faked being possessed in the middle of sunday service. almost had an exorcism performed on him, probably.

the only redeemable trait was like … his sheer talent with art. was in a 3d art AP course, specialized in sculpting - could pretty much create anything he wanted with enough dedication.

because his parents would be focused on disciplining him for his antics, tatiana could sneak away and get away with stuff easier. so like, y’know, that’s on the bright-side of things.

never been particularly motivated to do much - wasn’t planning on attending lockwood but his parents kinda … did and sent in his application for him b/c they were Not on board with him Wasting Away (wanted him out of the house asap)

actually pretty smart !! just doesn’t like … want to apply himself ever. double majoring in english and visual arts because they’re like … two of his only interests :/ plus he wants to write and illustrate his own series of children books with a style similar to tim burton’s

he’d been experimenting since high school but college is where he really started to like … crack down on himself and figure himself out. was out as pan & nonbinary by his sophomore year of college, just … not to his family, necessarily. thinks tatiana always knew, but didn’t … really use it against him, blessedly enough

always felt like the whole twin - connection thing was … both wack and also not-wack? sometimes it felt believable but sometimes he had no idea what was going on in tatiana’s head. but he felt oddly transparent to her, always - like he was predictable to no one but her.

( TW DEATH, GRIEF, OVERDOSE / HOSPITALIZATION BEYOND THIS POINT )

but when tatiana disappeared - it was like, like viktor knew. the moment she had been kidnapped - felt something deeply wrong in his gut. and when tatiana died - viktor felt something cut so severely in him. he knew, he always knew exactly when. he couldn’t put his finger on how - but he knew. even when everybody else held out hope for her to be found - he knew.

went on a bender around the same time, had always struggled w/ drug addiction but it got worse the longer tatiana went without being found.

( also struggled heavily with his mental health, too ?? has manic and depressive episodes. will fixate on a sculpting project for six months and then purposely knock it off the table and destroy it in the matter of seconds once it’s finished for. no fucking reason. impulse spends A Lot. )

when her body was found, viktor went off the rails. ended up overdosing and being hospitalized where he spent the next like … however long months … until they deemed him better.

stayed out of school until very recently b/c he just … didn’t want to go back. didn’t want to deal with it. didn’t want to be known as the dead girl’s twin. but then his mom kinda just was like ‘u go back 2 school or god so help me’ n he was like FINE.

so ya !! viktor’s back after being gone since tatiana’s body was found. that’s it, that’s him, a lil glimpse of his life.

trying to finish his senior year b/c he … obviously left before he could.

finding out that it was george who killed tatiana has ultimately ... caused viktor to spiral. his lows are some of his lowest, his highs are ... very high, but very bad. unstable & unpredictable in his actions it’s ... a whole thing :/

personality !!

the human embodiment of a gremlin, fed after midnight. a goblin, if u will. one of those cats with a narrow head and big ass ears. that’s him.

b i g horror & halloween enthusiast. loves the old campy horror movies. probably has an abundance of masks from different movies. dresses like a grimy millennial beetlejuice more than he should. love those vertically striped pants!

fashion alternates between e-boy (would b tik tok famous if he were like … 17), millennial beetlejuice, and like … goth in a crop top and sweatpants. big fan of crop tops. big fan of sweatpants.

he can be fucking mean. petty, aggressive, instigator. will literally spit in ur face or no reason. kind of person who’ll stick his gum into other ppl’s hair. other than that he’s like … pretty okay. he’s not always mean, he’s just a dick like … 70% of the time lmao

i mean yeah okay he’ll call someone a stinky bitch for no reason except He Feels Like It And Believes It. it’s fine he’s fine, we’re fine.

despite the fact tht he’s probably getting into fights whenever - considers himself 2 be a lover n not a fighter but that’s just because he Fucks a lot. kind of uses it like a coping mechanism, like he’s this big fancy carnival show that’s like ‘come one, come all! fuck the dead girl’s twin brother!’ may have a problem w/ hypersexuality but it’s nothing he’s fully. aware of.

the preacher’s whore son, basically

like i said he’s pan & nb, switches between he and they pronouns but like … he has such a fragile grip on his identity that u could call him ‘dog-faced bitch’ and he’d turn like hey wassup :)

vastly impulsive, like i’ve mentioned … destroys his own creations 4 the fun of it, spends all his money on useless shit, will cheat on someone bc he feels like it. screams into the night sky frequently, like a cat in heat.

i mean he also creates useless shit for no reason too. spent six months sculpting a hollowed out tree the size of him and then took a sledgehammer to it.

dramatic fuck. used to play the organ at the church like … when no one was looking after him and service was about to start. just these creepy as melodies. would do the same thing at home on his keyboard w/ the organ setting whenever he got grounded until his parents took away his keyboard sadjfkg

won’t talk about his time away b/c it’s not rly anybody’s business but ofc nothing is sacred to the watershed app, y’know, nothing’s private.

still like - he absolutely refuses to talk about tatiana’s death and like, his mental health or his addiction (he’s fallen back into it tbh but it hasn’t gotten bad again … yet) or like … anything involving his own emotions

will literally just change the topic! abruptly, no warning, asks about the jonas brothers instead.

that being said he’s obsessed with tatiana’s death. tatiana was very much a rock for him, kinda dependent on her in a way? just … being there, y’know, kept him grounded.

so he obv became a shepherd bc he wants to know Everything there is abt the app, wants to be deep inside it, wanted to know Who Exactly Killed Tatiana and like … not saying he wants 2 commit murder but :/ yknow. he’s very upset.

emotionally unavailable while also like crying twice a day.

will tell you straight up what he wants from you, no bullshit, no beating around the bush - just blunt. if he wants to just fuck, nothing else, then that’s that. if he feels deviation he’ll ghost in like. less than a second. kinda awful like that! feels no shame.

but like … also is emotional ?? as shit ?? it’s confusing. he’ll cry on a whim and then flip u off if u try to console him or like. ask him anything. will bite you.

he goes to therapy but he generally fucks around and wastes most of the time until the therapist threatens to like … idk what therapists r allowed to threaten. to send him off to another therapist? idk.

likes being intimidating but like … not with his body or nothing ‘cos he’s a TWIG, but like … uses his love for horror n creepy shit to his advantage. has an abundance of fake blood. has channeled the energy of jack nicholson and used it on tatiana’s boyfriends before.

( also a big fan of sfx makeup, has dabbled in it)

probably chases kids with a chainsaw (w/o the like … chain … or w/e … so it’s not actually Dangerous) around halloween

he’s generally never doing good, both mental health wise and morally.

would probably steal candy from a baby for the fun of it.

i don’t know if there’s a good to him, deep down, and i don’t know if he sees any issues with himself either !! nothing really breaks through to him anymore, the only person who ever really made him stop and Think about his actions was tatiana.

kinda introverted, recluse type who doesn’t rly like most people or going out, but he’ll go to parties if it means he’ll be high as shit.

pretty observant. likes to analyze people even though he’s probably not … fully right.

connections to the victims !!

tatiana samuels / his twin sister, other half - the only one able to control viktor.

george craig iii / close family friends ... they could appreciate each other, when viktor wasn’t being an outright asshole.

hana williams / ‘friends’ with benefits, their relationship was rocky at best but she was a good lay. have often fought due to their clash in personalities and viktor’s history with christoph.

christoph wainwright / an ex-hook up, an infrequent occasion whenever christoph wanted to tick off hana. viktor was often on board, never the one to consider others’ feelings.

wanted connections !!

he lives alone currently but like … ex - roommates where viktor was just. a nightmare to live with.

feel like a lot of enemies is also a possibility !! viktor’s messy.

people that like … knew tatiana. dated tatiana, even, and viktor would pretty much try to intimidate / scare them at any given chance :/

close friends of tatiana too

people who hated tatiana but liked viktor. people who hated viktor but liked tatiana

people who take pity on him and he Hates it viciously and vocally.

a band of hooligan gremlin kids who do drugs and fuck shit up around town like they’re edgy teenagers even though they’re all early to mid 20s.

the girl he lost his virginity 2 in high school lmao … a distant memory

fellow rochester locals, from church or school or whatever

exes from the past !! good terms and bad terms, but i love bad terms a whole lot mainly b/c viktor’s a jackass.

don’t know if he’s soft towards anybody but we can try. we can Try.

friends, old friends, new friends, bad friends, good friends, close friends, frenemies, etc. etc. all of it

hookups !! so many hookups. fwbs, one night stands, whatever.

uuhhhh god. i don’t know. im so sleepy rn. people in the same major or similar majors.

maybe a ride or die.

people he’s a bad influence on / an enabler towards / all around toxic for them / each other.

people he’s fought !! people who’ve seen him get into random fights and were like ‘uh wtf’

fellow shepherds !!

literally anything im not picky.