#this is the ur-supernatural episode i love it so so much

[ven0moir]

tw; rant. Once again here to remind everyone that byler not being endgame is, at best, negligent queerbaiting

this is the show where one of the producers said "the UD mythos is important but the heart of the show are its characters and their interconnectedness/family dynamics" or something along those lines AND also said that "very few things are coincidences in this show."

i'd have been ( and i bet a lot of other bylers too ) COMPLETELY FINE without byler even being a possible card on the table. i'd HAVE STILL BEEN A FAN OF THE SHOW without byler! in fact, i WAS--i cared more about el and hopper's rs than i did mike and will's. it wasn't until S4 that i REALLY got invested in the show bc of the promise of will's arc, WHICH INCLUDES MIKE. the way they handled the painting arc, if byler isn't endgame, is literally the most underwhelming thing i've seen.

the only difference that byler makes in my case is that if it hadn't come across as a real possibility, then i would've remained a casual viewer and not think about the show again until it came out, like yknow, most people. so this whole "will they won't they" thing going on makes it feel like a marketing technique to keep people who enjoy byler hooked at the promise of something significant developing there.

this isn't about "oh your ship didn't become canon? tough luck" it's legit that they would ruin their show for me FOR. NO. REASONNNNNN. I WAS ALREADY A FAN!!! I HAD NO BYLER EXPECTATIONS!!! not to mention how shitty it is on the lgbt community. and also, the mass hate bylers would get.

and before you say "its ur own fault for being delusional, they didn't queerbait--" I'm sorry but what Noah is doing IS QUEERBAIT even if he doesn't mean to and the duffers should tell him to stop hinting at byler until post s5 or whatever

im not even going to talk about the show IMPLYING BYLER for ages. for example; dustin telling lucas that he saw him and max holding hands and that meant there were feelings between them even if lucas denied it/said she was just scared vs mike holding will's hand AN EPISODE PRIOR

or the song "on the bus" playing during a lumax scene where they connected vs it playing on a byler scene in s4 using very similar phrasing it's like they're subtly winking at the audience.

the shitty way that mileven finally got their 'i love you' like im sorry it feels so rushed and awkward if this was supposed to be the culmination of mike's arc

i could literally go on and on and on and other bylers could as well so yeah. ugh im sorry for the negativity in the tag but i just REALLY need that to be very clear that byler vs mileven isn't an argument that is ocurring on equal ground and that byler isn't 'just a ship that people analyze too much'

if it was never going to be canon, THERE WAS NO NEED TO HINT AT IT **AT ALL** and THAT is what really grinds my gears. most bylers would still love ST bc our favorite character is WILL. we would've been fine if will's whole thing was telling his best friend he was gay and that's it. like, the bar is on the FLOOR ... me personally? i'll be satisfied with will getting a completed arc in the supernatural and having his moment to shine and bringing the story full circle like WE WERE PROMISED ( unless yknow, people want to call us stupid and delusional for expecting will to be important at all )

what i will NOT tolerate is people being mean to bylers for being upset about byler not being endgame in the end bc WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE. and if you're one of those people sincerely: FUCK YOU. i wish you get exactly what you deserve. thank you for reading and that's it from me

[levelofyoureye]

despite making a destiel meme on here that got incredibly popular, i have never seen a single full episode of supernatural. however, my best friend @res-spectans is a huge fan of the show, so she’s shown me the 15x18 scene™️ before (which is why i was able to make the meme LMAO). a couple of nights ago i was sleeping over and late into the night we were very delirious and decided to watch a compilation of deancas highlights on youtube. and holy fuck…

supernatural fans HOW DID YOU DO THIS FOR 11 SEASONS STRAIGHT. all it took was that one 20-minute compilation of their best moments and i was IMMEDIATELY convinced that they were in love. actually i didn’t even need the 20 minutes. even the very first clip from that video was actually some sick fuckery. the absolute journey i was taken on in those 20 minutes of homophobic queerness was just… wow. if i had adequate words to describe the buffoonery that must’ve been going through the creators of this show’s minds then i think i’d be on a hit list. HOW WERE THOSE TWO NOT TOGETHER??? ur telling me there was literally an episode with a wholeass plotline about dean refusing to let cas die a virgin? the show deadass acted like they didn’t explore each other’s bodies even ONCE?? and THERE WAS A WHOLE EPISODE WITH DESTIEL IN A FUCKING MUSICAL?!?!? like they FULLY ACKNOWLEDGED THE QUEERBAITING THEY WERE DOING AND STILL ACTIVELY CONTINUED TO DO IT?? i’m sorry but there is quite literally no way. not to even mention all of the romance tropes they fulfill. cas breaking out of the brainwashing (i’ve also been informed that dean was originally going to say “i love you” there like HUH)?! THE MIXTAPE? neither of them ever denying anyone who called the other one their boyfriend?? “dean and i share a more profound bond” WHAT. dean calling cas devastatingly handsome? maybe it was because i was sleep deprived but by the time we were done with the compilation my ribs were aching from how much i was CACKLING. i was just in absolute disbelief at the absurdity of it all. like,,, people dared to call this subtext? this was the gayest shit i have EVER SEEN. if you are actually a fan of this show then i am so fucking sorry. i cannot believe you all just sat through that for 11 seasons and then had it confirmed in the end by castiel being sent to SUPERHELL. you gays deserved so much better and SO DID DESTIEL.

[hexedwinchester]

Supernatural S04E21 When The Levee Breaks

This my favourite episode ever! Can you guess why?

of course it means it will also be heavily anti Dean. Dean girlies, this ain't for you.

God, Dean getting pissed about Sam lying, as if Dean hasn't lied to Sam before is getting me pissed off

Sam's angry "Dean!" Is so hot

it makes me so angry that Dean and Bobby left Sam to deal with the detox all alone. How could they? And the fact that it didn't occur to Dean that Sam could die during that? Like wake up!

no Bobby, he is not here because you love him too much. He is here because you are scared of Sam!

Poor Sam, all alone, screaming for help, terrified of everything happening to him, not sure what's real what's not and they left him to rot in there! What's even worse? They cuffed him to the bed and left him to wake up alone again ?! 😤

at least Bobby had the sense to doubt their actions whereas Dean was busy being self righteous. Pull that stick Outta ur ass, Dean

ahhh Jared played the junkie role so well! The tremors, the trembling hands, the blinking eyes, the seizures, the agitation!!!

I know Jared's a professional but don't tell me he didn't have fun manhandling Ruby a bit!

Sam had no right sexualizing drinking demon blood 😍 sorry, I'll allow the demon blood drinking if it's this hot

Dean, honey, you did exactly what Ruby did. Left Sam alone. You're not better than her just because your eyes don't flash black. Yet.

that exchange between Sam and Dean is so important to me. Despite Dean locking Sam up, he is glad to see his brother and wants him to join him to bring down Lilith but Dean.. he just can't give up control, can he? The one time Sam's begging him to trust him but nope. Sam is still so understanding but the moment Dean calls him a monster..damn!

Woohoo!! That punch was so long overdue! Anyone else noticed that sexy roll of Sam's shoulders?

Dean should be glad Sam doesn't get physically violent as often as Dean does. He would get his ass handed to him

no matter how much of a dick Dean has been to Sam, the one thing that I never liked was Sam strangling Dean. Like, honey, no! You are better than this

seeing all the shit Dean has pulled through the seasons, i realised just how forgiving Sam is. He doesn't punch him back everytime Dean hits him. He never brought up Dean calling him a monster or the corrupted voice mail. He trusted him even when Dean said he was going to say yes to Micheal. He moved past Dean killing Amy. Sam is too good. Dean.. eh!

[newluvrs]

Halloween movies w/ Riize ₊ ⊹₍ᐢᐢ₎   currently listening to: OBLIVION - GRIMES bb note: Happy halloween everyone! I cried my fawking eyes out last night bc this month was ass, but here's to a much better November. n e wayz, here r some movies that I think suit the boys based off their personalities

Shotaro ... Kairo (2001) dir. Kiyoshi Kurosawa This film is Japanese Techno-horror. A slower film but one that suits him a lot, it is also a film with one of my personal scariest scenes I have ever seen! He's the type of person to like trying to get people to jump, and because of the tension in this movie it serves as the perfect backdrop for one of his schemes lol. Personally I also just want to hear his interpretation of the ending! He seems like he would like the ominous vibe and open interpretation of the events. He would def want to chat about it after and he might even still be thinking about it days later.

Eunseok ... Incantation (2022) dir. Kevin Ko This film is Taiwanese folk horror/found footage. Arguably the scariest movie on this list, I truly believe eunseok is the only one that can handle it lol. He's said in the past that he likes horror, and I noticed that he wants there to be a plot beyond it just being cheap scares and this movie has one! I saw this movie once and can never watch it again but I love to recommend it to people, it's scary and somber at the same time and I think he would enjoy it. He doesn't seem like the type to talk during movies so he can fully take in what's happening so this feels like a really good movie to enjoy with him. He's also pretty brave which you definitely need when watching this film....

Sungchan ... The Conjuring (2013) dir. James Wan This film is American supernatural horror. I don't really know why but sungchan screams the conjuring to me.. like I feel like even though he's a scaredy cat he would genuinely enjoy it? He seems like he does fine with horror films (ex. the Christmas we riize ep.) and he seems to get really invested in them. I think he had even mentioned in that episode that one of the films they watched had a setting that reminded him of the conjuring. I can picture him wanting to watch all of the movies in the conjuring universe and begging to watch them with you after finishing the first one.

Wonbin ... Gonjiam: Haunted Asylum (2018) dir. Jung Bum-Shik This film is South Korean supernatural horror/found footage. While doing my research I noticed that wonbin is the type to completely deny that he is scared during a movie even though he is very clearly hiding his face lol. Because of that I personally would really want to have him watch this film, because it's kind of amusing to watch him pretend to not be scared. I think it would be funny to spook him during one of the jumpscares during this film.. only if ur feeling a little evil >:]

Seunghan ... House (1977) dir. Nobuhiko Obayashi This film is Japanese psychedelic comedy horror. Not your typical horror movie at all, this film is full of bright colors and silliness! An easy watch for my non-horror movie lovers, and even though Seunghan isn't really easily scared (ex. horrorland we riize ep.) I feel like he would enjoy something light-hearted over serious horror. He seems like the type to want to talk through it, and even though I am strictly against talking during movies, this one is a good one to do so during just bc of how absurd it is! Would definitely give you both a good giggle and bring some joy while still keeping up w/ the halloween theme.

Sohee ... Ringu (1998) dir. Hideo Nakata This film is Japanese supernatural psychological horror. Sohee is another who isn't particularly bothered by horror and seems pretty invested in the plot! He's the type of person to look for more in a horror film and to want to be scared, and because of that I am going with this very classic film. He seems like he likes some of the classic horror codes and there's nothing more classic than this film (i.e. pale girl, long black hair, supernatural circumstances). Also seems like the type to want to talk about it after.. though I will say after you watch the film he might want to sleep with a light on.

Anton ... Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit (2005) dir. Nick Park, Steve Box This film is Comedy/Parody horror. Let's be so serious after that we riize episode, I am NOT giving Anton a horror film unless you want him to cling to you for dear life & scream in ur ear. Because of this he gets what I think is still a classic halloween film, but a sillier one! Very nostalgic too, I feel like he would appreciate this more than an actual scary movie. He might even want to have it on in the background while doing some classic halloween activities like baking silly treats or carving pumpkins.... just for the love of god do not make this man watch an actual horror film.

[autisticandroids]

Hey ur my fave spn blogger by far (heavy is the head that has the crown etc etc) it occurred to me I've never heard u talk in Bobby? Any thoughts? Id love to hear em.

hey! so this is an interesting question. probably the reason i don't post much about bobby has to do with the fact that... well... i actually broadly enjoy bobby, and i enjoy him for exactly the same basic, surface level reasons as the show expects me to.

like, normally, if i'm watching supernatural, i am at least somewhat in conflict with the text. it expects me to like things i don't like (these are called "dogshit episodes" and they're a common hazard), and when i do like it it's often not really for the reasons that the show is expecting me to like it.

like... if you really want to see me shout and cheer, you should see what it looks like when i rewatch exile on main st., but neither a randomly selected mainstream audience nor miss gamble herself would necessarily agree with or even understand why i was doing so. like my enjoyment of that episode requires a lot of interpretive effort.

but fast forward three episodes to weekend at bobby's, and i could sit in a room with a general audience person, a reddit bro, a wincestie, and dabb/lofflin themselves and we would all basically have the same watch experience. i might be critical of the treatment of japanese culture, or annoyed by the way crowley's heel turn was handled, or something else, some specific element. but in terms of the broad strokes - bobby going around doing things, hunting a case, existing in relationships with a series of other characters - i like it for exactly the reason i'm meant to.

and that's kind of how bobby as a character is for me. there just isn't a lot of distance between what i'm supposed to enjoy and what i do enjoy. and it's that distance, and the interpretive labor required to close it, that generates thoughts, and thoughts are what generates posts. which means i don't really have a ton of posts about bobby.

i guess i will say... i used to be cautiously pro-killing-bobby-off in s7, definitely more than other characters who died in gamble era. because i was like "man, you gotta kill the father figure." that's the nature of these things. but upon rewatch, i actually think bobby's role as father figure is overstated. certainly it's overstated by the fandom, but even in the show to an extent. although i will concede a bit because i love when soulless sam tries to kill him. only good thing that happens in appointment in samarra. but overall bobby is as much just a friend as he is a father, you know? he engages with the boys on much more equal terms than a parent does.

but anyway. i don't like that they killed him because 1) they kept bringing him back, frequently stupidly. i liked safe house, but otherwise i am against basically all of bobby's appearances post-s7. i guess inside man was fine, but like. that's just the thing. it was fine. resoundingly okay. and safe house could easily have happened with bobby alive, just like. have him having the flashback. and 2) i think it has a bad effect on the show because like... after bobby died, the interpersonal conflict became even more dour. and it's already so fucking dour. there are no outside characters whatsoever to observe when things happen and so stuff spirals into madness even more and worse than it used to. no one is there to yell at dean the way bobby did in season four, you know? and then 3) i just enjoy bobby a lot i'm an enjoyer. i would have liked the show more if he stuck around in a meaningful way (and not just as a constantly recurring oh he's back from the dead for an episode plot).

[scoobydoodean]

hello! i hate doing meta like when i have to think about spn as a show my head explodes. how does ur head not explode? how do u keep ur opinions clear in ur head? and how do u know all ur references to episodes? i swear, i've watched this show since i was thirteen but i look at the semi-longposts u make and i think i would never in a million years be so articulate and more importantly so clear in my own head what i think of spn. does this make sense to you? like, how long does it take for you to form your discourse opinions and to make your posts explaining them with all the episode references? i do love your posts, if that's not clear. even when i dont agree with them :D

<3 Jokes on you my head is always exploding at all times. The episode references help keep me grounded tbh (though there is also a time and place for playing in the sandbox). It is very easy to think about Supernatural too much I am with you on that. I also have that problem perpetually when writing academic papers and I have yet to figure out how to solve my issues staying on topic in that setting. I think we all have our different ways of thinking about things and that's great.

The truth is I don't always remember all of the numbers, but I generally know what episode I'm thinking of and a quick google of the season list will give me the relevant episode number for my tagging system. If I don't remember the episode very well, then a quick peruse of @/butch--dean's transcript search tool helps me out. If that doesn't work, or if I'm after visual elements, @/canonspngifs tag archive helps. Also you might notice I usually tag stuff I've gotten up to on this rewatch the most thoroughly. This rewatch in particular has caused a lot of episodes to stick in my mind, especially because I've been spending a lot of time talking about individual episodes and have been going through them very slowly. I started my rewatch with a goal and that goal was to build a database of my thoughts on the show and a catalog of deangirl meta, so I end up tagging certain episodes a lot and referring back to them because they're sort of seminal touch stones in my head, so those numbers stick.

Certain posts take me a long time and other ones don't take me long at all. Maybe like 20 minutes. But there are posts I've made that I also thought about for a few days or that caused me to go back and rewatch certain episodes and think through them and maybe talk with a few people about them. Whether I can type something out fast or not mainly depends on if I've thought about the subject a good bit/talked about it with other people a lot or not. If it's a common subject of disk horse then I will probably have thought about it and talked about it with various people on many occasions over many years so I kind of already know what I think and why. But also this rewatch and some posts from the mutuals have changed my mind on a lot of things I used to accept that I now realize are just really persistent fanon, and that also makes those subjects stick out.

[axel29-exe]

I'm watching supernatural for the very first time.

(PLEASE NO SPOLIERS, I KNOW THIS SHOW CAME OUT WHEN I WAS BORN BUT STILL SHUUUSH)

so, i got bored and was thinking about some goofy shows I heard in passing, (think teen wolf, river dale, vampire diaries). And I remembered my friend saying they liked supernatural, I haven't previously seen even a second of this show. I do remember one of my old friend's Sister had a poster of supernatural but THATS IT.

I'm currently up to Season 3 Episode 5 and while I watch I take notes or I send my previously mentioned friend, live reactions.

Here are some of my favorite ones (the spelling is from the original messages sent lmao) :

GUMBY GIRL ?

Low rise, butt crack in danger

John is a TWAT

BIG L JOHN

"hoodoo priest to lay some mojo on em" Sounds like giving head

I love the fake baby (screenshot attached)

I <3 BOBBY

"GO BACK FROM WHENCE YOU CAME, FOUL FEIND. JOHN IS A LITTLE RAT. HE COMES BACK, " Fix ya car, you degenrate" "Don't question me, son"

jawlines that cut cheese. CHEESE YOU HEAR ME.

JOHN WIPE THAT GRIN OFF UR FACE I SWEAR TO GOD, I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE BRACKET.

Dean is mothering

the practical effects are so goofy, i love em.

Fatherless behavior

Dean real for saying he would blow his brains out if he grew up in an American white picket neighborhood

"and.... any sexual orientation" "we're brothers" REAL REAL CERTIFIED REAL MOMENT. IM GIGGLING

hook man getting CRISPY

Johnny depp is that you? Hook man?

It means so much to me the fact that the green screen outline wasn't edited out correctly. (screenshot attached)

Sam has a degree in rizzology ( my friend said it was genetic lmao)

These aren't in order lmao. I giggled reading these back so i thought i would share with the class. let me know if yall want an update on my reactions once i get through another couple seasons.

+ my goofy drawing of dean and his car .

[sleeplessv0id]

hiii I js found ur acc and I enjoy it very much I find u relatable in a sense (I hope this doesn't make u feel uncomfy I'm trying to tell u I think ur cool) anyways do u have a fav color or maybe a current hyperfixation/intrest u enjoy :>

hello!

It brings me relief to hear that people enjoy my blog. I really just use my page as a personal thought log, kinda. my version of screaming into the void.

and you made me far from uncomfy. If anything, hearing someone relate to me is refreshing. as back when I verbally spoke what was on my mind, people treated me as an outcast. I never really understand why people laughed, but I do now, so that's not snazztastic to me. (snazztastic is not a real word, I don't know how it got in my vocabulary. ((same with fantasmical.))) It's validating to hear that I'm not, thank you.

as to answer your questions (thank you for answering my call ((sending me an ask.))) I do have a favorite color! It is red. any red. orange-red has no place in my world. I also enjoy lilac, though.

lord, don't even get me started on my interests. there's so many.

as of late, I've been making an effort to make time at the end of the day to watch an episode of one of my favorite shows. of all the series that I am currently watching (I alternate based on my mood), I've been watching Supernatural and Yellowjackets the most. but I also watch Criminal Minds, Bojack Horseman (only when I hate myself), Person of Interest, Shameless, NBC Hannibal, Bungou Stray Dogs, and Good Omens.

I love them all as you would a child. people say I read too deeply into everything, but the thing is that there is so much beneath the surface of everything to see that it genuinely frustrates me that people don't bother to see it. my taste is a sort of reflection of that, I'd say.

I also have been rereading Wolfstar fics and other comfort fics I have bookmarked.

I have also gotten back into coloring.

[kellyscabin]

Hey I love ur amvs!! I was wondering if you had advice for someone that's interested in making their own? I'm not sure what the best programs are for editing or getting clips. Ty! :)

this is so flattering thank you so much!!!!! I LOVE making amvs…… favourite thing in the world to do so this is gonna be probably longer than you wanted…..

I’ve bounced around just about everything in the last couple years so I can give you a few different ideas!!

For clip sourcing:

initially, I used episodes that I had downloaded as supernatural was airing so the quality was iffy and there were logos on a lot of them… THEN I went the screen recording route (for when I was on my phone, I’ve never tried this on desktop but I know this works well for others!!) but I found that the quality still bugged me AND I ended up with nearly 2000 supernatural clips on my phone…… which was a nightmare to sort through… NOW I use this which is very fabulous and easy to use… you can select which eps to download if you don’t need all of them!! (and no vpn needed)

For editing:

I’ve used a lot of different programmes til I found one that worked well for me so definitely shop around…. youtube tutorials are your friend…. when I started, I was using sony vegas pro…. which worked fine even though my laptop was the first one ever made… but I didn’t want to pay for it and it got blocked on my laptop forever and windows would notttt let me get it back…….. SO, as I mentioned, for a while I was editing on my phone which I would personally nottt recommend for full length amvs… smaller edits would be completely fine!! I used splice which was very basic but it got the job done!! actually. looking through my videos- everything from mr perfectly fine to dean movies was made on my phone which is about 30 videos- so this works!! it’s just much more difficult and harder to polish up…. I personally make amvs much quicker and cleaner on my laptop.. and noticed a big big difference in my own quality since I switched….. NOW I use capcut since it’s free and my laptop can run it without any issues. I’m genuinely very impressed with it as a free software- lots of really good tools and effects, I find it so easy to alter colours and subtitle as well!! which I struggled with on other platforms!! very user friendly too!!! would be very beginner friendly!!

fun stuff :)

PLANNING is my absolute favourite part of making an amv…… normally I hear a song and can very easily picture shot by shot how I would amv it - once I’ve got the song and general theme I’m going for- I normally print out the lyrics and annotate them - jotting down timings, voiceovers, season, arcs and clips.. I can sometimes skip this if it’s just a simple video but if it’s anything complicated I HAVE to write it down. I also find it’s easier to make a video have a ‘point’ if I do this??? idk.. I think it helps but idk if this is something everybody does :)

there’s the spn transcript searcher which is very useful as well if there’s a line you’re looking for but can’t remember where it’s from!!

and of course homeofthenutty which is great for thumbnail stuff!!

editing things:

honestly… I don’t think there’s a wrong way to do this if you’ve got a really fabulous idea….. timings are the trickiest thing to get the hang of- I do dashes on my printed plan to kind of show where I need cuts and if it’s fast cuts I write down how long each clip should be so it looks cleaner. I find that my videos don’t really look finished until they’re subtitled either- so that always helps!! everybody kind of does that differently so definitely play around until you find a style you like!!

I wouldn’t worry too much about colouring when you’re just starting out- sometimes I find that filters can be distracting but I know others who swear by them so that’s just personal preference!! I really just tweak certain clips to make them less saturated or green-looking….

for posting:

I really recommend posting simultaneously on tumblr and youtube!! I have videos with basically no notes on tumblr but did really well on yt and vice versa!! the yt algorithm can be funny- I find that as long as it has a custom thumbnail and a few comments it does alright!! on tumblr- I always link the yt video since the tumblr player doesn’t always work for everybody…. also don’t be afraid to use taglists!!! I’m sure your mutuals would love to be tagged and please definitely tag me in anything you make!!! genuinely owe so much to my mutuals for their support 🫶🫶 and also don’t be afraid to self-reblog!! chronological dashboard means people WILL miss things if they aren’t online!!!

but genuinely the most important thing is to have fun…… I seriously love amvs…. I think they’re the best thing in the world and spend probably at least half an hour minimum a day watching amvs…….. and we need more of them!!!!! so thank you!!! and please please tag me when you make one!!! and feel free to dm me if you need anything at all!!! like all technical aspects aside… an amv made with so much love and to a fabulous song is a gift to the world…… 🫶🫶

[brionysea]

i'm still baffled by how little people actually want to acknowledge Mike's weirdness with the supernatural in the show. not only is he a main character (the first one we ever get introduced to), he's also consistently in weird situations, no one offs

i think i even started following u bc you were one of the only people on here that acknowledge it and ask questions. like, how did Mike look at El in the void without her speaking or touching him and why do we only see Billy, Heather, Terry, and Kali do the same later on?

s3 even shoves ur face right back into that mess bc they remind you it happened

i also think it's weird that no one questions how Mike managed to pull Will out of 4 possessed states in s2, one time even physically reaching into the UD shot. at the arcade, then on halloween, at the hospital which makes Mike try to warn everyone about the trap, and then finally in the shed. it's always "it's because Will love Mike sm", but then his mom and Jonathan don't manage? not once? doesn't Will love them too? Mike reaches through to Will 4/4 times? St isn't a show that puts romantic love over platonic love, the party's friendship, Steve and Robin, all bonds that are just as strong, if not often stronger than some romantic attachments. yet Will's mom and brother somehow can't get through to Will in the shed or in the hospital???

i'm sure there could be some interesting talk about it too, but sadly most people on here just ignore it happened entirely or that it's slightly odd that it's only Mike

and maybe that IS smth normal to do, maybe everyone could do it. or not. Mike wouldn't say something's weird he doesn't know what's normal or not, he lacks the reference. but we as the viewer also lack that reference. for the void thing we get it later on when we see more (very interesting) people do it. but the whole, pulling Will out of visions thing? i would actually love to know if other characters could do that too and why they only let Mike do it

it's so interesting!!!! why is he so weird!!!!!!

the thing with will's episodes is fun to think about because with the season 2-season 4 parallels, will's episodes = max's vecna visions, so does that mean if mike was in hawkins they wouldn't have even needed music? can mike save people from vecna just from touching them/calling their name? does it only work with will? if that's the case then why does mike also get so many voiceovers when el's doing things like revealing to the audience how she opened the gate or going into someone else's head?

and the thing is, we know not everyone can just... do that. or it would've worked when lucas was trying to wake max from her trance. like, sure, it kinda worked, but it had all those extra steps and there was a portal and an emotional flashback montage and everything. there was so much they had to do first. but mike's just like "will!" and skips all the steps so everything's instantly okay again. what's up with that?

[chuckle-lore]

Episode 119- May 2nd, 2024- Swagger is back :D (same day post)

Lore-

Ted materializes out of thin air/can teleport

More conformation that Swagger was considered being a permanent member of CS

3:30 Everything under Swagger’s balaclava is just skin. His mouth is actually a skin webbing and he communicates telepathically

32:05 Schlatt has put razor blades in candy before

Swagger owns 100s of balaclavas

1:04:10 Ted has portals to other dimensions and steals Swagger’s monkey lamp.

Bare with me on this. Back in episode two Ted admits he has demon heritage. Comparing his abilities to Charlie’s (rip) and there’s some similarities, Charlie has a rift from hell to the living world and can materialize into his ghost form (ep 105, the second Christmas special) albeit in a much smaller scale (can only use the rift once a year and it takes 14 days to transform). I know there’s some moments in the podcast that imply Charlie isn’t 100 percent human I just don’t remember which ones, but if that were the case, I would put money on Charlie having some demon heritage himself.

This begs the question of what is the ratio of human to supernatural beings in the CS universe? Ted and likely Charlie are demons, Tucker is a cherub, Swagger has the whole webbed skin thing going on, and Schlatt is possibly the only human member in the podcast. I’m thinking that it’s either an Amazing World of Gumball situation where anything and everything coexist with each other or something like a lizard people situation where there’s a few handfuls of them and they are all in tight knit communities.

I know I sound insane but this project is also kinda insane so this was expected

Thoughts-

I had fun with this episode. Swagger is definitely up there for my favorite guests and having Ted physically with him was a nice surprise that added to the experience.

Ngl I completely forgot about the sponsorships and it threw me off a bit, especially the engagement ring segment like hearing Schlatt of all people talking about wedding rings feels off. I’m also not too crazy for today’s thumbnail but that’s just me nitpicking.

Overall this was a really entertaining episode that is going in my rewatch playlist, 9/10, hell yeah.

Things of note-

Loved the horse sweater

The idea of Ted being constantly late to his own podcast is funny to me

20:41 “Umm… I’m pretty sure my dragon is cooler. Ur gay”- Swagger Souls

SCHLATT WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY SELL FUNNY STICKS????

I tallied each time my mom said she didn’t like swagger’s voice, three times in the span of ten minutes before leaving 💀

Swagger chose unlimited bacon this time

The ending to this episode might be my favorite ending so far (that or 105’s ending)

(Original notes +comments I liked under the cut)

[smashstiel]

finished s1 and GOD it was such a powermove. yeah were fine we didnt kill the demon but were fine BAM KURWA A FUCKING TRUCK HITS THEM. also the "ik ur not my dad youre too nice". truly one of a kind

NO LITERALLY season 1 finale is such a banger like what the helll !!!! "my dad wouldnt be proud of me 😁" BROTHER.WHAT. also the fucking truck!!!!!!!!!!!! season 1 my beloved. and yayyyy your next one is the hospital episode. god i love it. have fun with season 2 (or as much fun you can have . while watching supernatural season 2. cause its not. much) <33333333333333

also. hihi. listened to the songs you recommended. and WOW. I LOVE PARALYZED. HOW COULD A FISTFIGHT BE RKMANTIC???? aaaaa its so GOOD WHATATTTT . PRETTY HANDSOME AWKWARD MY BELOVED. absolute banger smasher wchodzer - you WERE right. also i need to know the importantfagemolore.... i caught fire. just stay with me lay with me now.... cut up angels....... also h my god i love their under pressure cover. they were INSANE for this. thanks for recommending me them!!!!!! i know i was supposed to listen to all the used songs today but..... adrianne lenker got me 😭 but i will . tomorrow maybe .or like on the train 'cause you know how pkp works......

[deancasforcutie]

hi, I’ve just seen your posts about references to queer cinema in spn and I would absolutely DIE to hear you talk more about that- and also maybe explain some of the ones in the posts bc there’s a few I couldn’t catch. hope ur doing well! toodles

(In reference to these two posts)

First of all, thanks for the interest; I feel like I owe a lot of influence to prominent meta writers who've discussed this over the years, which I've reblogged in the #dean is bi and #spn is queer tags, so I feel honored to be asked about this.

It just so happens I'm about to do a full series rewatch and hopefully come out with a long (much more coherent) meta series later this year. The basic thesis: Supernatural's queer narrative emerged both organically as a result of the early seasons' genre influences and deliberately on the part of writers constantly commenting on/transforming the series' foundations. The early seasons started as a critique of toxic masculinity, the nuclear family, and the American Dream, which invariably involves a critique of heteronormativity, but due to their tragic structure never fully proposed solutions to these problems; later seasons, through the writers' good-faith groundwork designed to circumvent and comment on their own external constraints, specifically situated the solutions in queer love and found family.

I'll argue that much of the queer coding and subtext of Kripke era was not so much "accidental" as a result of the series' genre heritage. Being influenced by the Gothic, a genre all about unveiling counternarratives to master-narratives like the American Dream, queerness emerges in the text implicitly as something outside of that paradigm; look at episodes like 4.05 Monster Movie and 4.14 Sex and Violence for some examples of old-school cinematic queer coding. Then you have Dean as a bisexual character, which essentially started with his inspiration from On the Road's Dean Moriarty (likely also James Dean and other figures that reveal the disillusioned American "bad boy" archetype was always more queer than initially advertised). Later seasons, in actively, deliberately queering this text, both transformed it and revealed/made explicit what was already there. And -as exercises in audiovisual audacity like 15.07 Last Call and 15.10 The Heroes' Journey attest- they consciously leaned into well-codified queer cinematic conventions to reveal (and subvert!) how they were made to literally tapdance around it. What results is a critique of heteronormativity that requires the audience to jump through hoops to maintain it as a critical lens, scathingly lampoons their choice to do so, and situates queerness as "what about all this is real" - "[happiness is] in just being", and in queer ways of seeing/reading.

I really enjoy it, in case that's not clear.

Not sure which examples in my posts to highlight, so here are some links to further reading:

Pink Flamingos: x, x, x

Porky's II: x, x

Thelma and Louise: x, x

Rebel Without a Cause: x, x

My Own Private Idaho: x

Ben-Hur: x

Rent: x, x

Reservoir Dogs: x

Brokeback Mountain: x, x, x

Lost Boys: x

Project Runway: x, x

Sesame Street: x, x

On the Road: x, x

Will & Grace: x

Halt & Catch Fire: x

Freddie Mercury: x, x, x

Orange is the New Black: x

The Sandman: x

Hellblazer: x

"Let's Misbehave": x, x, x, x

Thanks again for the ask! I hope this answers your question; I look forward to exploring this in much more depth in the future.

[goodsirs]

@ ur tags on that excellent gifset: i got into this show for joe keery and i have every gator-related tag blacklisted because the tiktok thirst girlies are so tiring fhdvdgs. anyway if you have thoughts/theories on munch i cant stop thinking about him and wondering what the hell his deal is

hey! yeah, i really like joe and think he's doing a great job in the show, but i've also found the tags a bit overwhelming due to the influx of his fans, especially as a more longtime fargo enjoyer. i tentatively tagged gator at first on those sets and was met with just. way too many people only reblogging for him and ignoring munch, so i untagged to try and avoid some of that and added that comment as a disclaimer so ppl wouldn't think i was intentionally ignoring him/trying to be a hater lol

as for my thoughts on munch...

if you’re new to fargo, there’s always one weird supernatural element to every season (a character implied to be the devil himself in s1, ufos in s2, purgatory in s3, a family curse involving ghosts in s4), and munch is definitely that element this season. i feel like the show itself leaves it up to interpretation whether or not the audience chooses to believe munch is actually the same person/a reincarnation of the 16th century sin eater, but sam spruell takes it pretty literally and a lot of my thoughts about munch are mostly just based around what he’s said about the character. regardless of what you prefer to believe about his identity, munch is meant to represent the underclass and how they are forced to suffer because of/bear the weight of the sins of people in power, like roy

he’s presumably lived his entire life trapped in a cycle of poverty and crime, and a desire for some kind of reprieve from all of his suffering is what's led him to the old woman, irma, who sam’s described as someone who’s also experienced significant hardship and abuse throughout her life (really great insight from sam and noah hawley about that and munch in general in this article!). he said munch started staying there with the hope that the two could look after each other, but based on the next episode trailer and other big spoilers that have been shared online, that dream’s about to come crashing down big time. 😬 hopefully irma makes it out okay, but at least one minor (as of yet unintroduced) character’s dying at her house next ep and i think it’ll likely end with munch capturing gator and being the one who’s leading him around on that rope, as seen in the trailers. dot’s also heading to the tillman’s, so it’s possible their storylines will finally converge again soon

a mutual and i were just chatting about this the other day, but i would definitely love if he ends up teaming up with dot and potentially goes out with some sort of sense of peace or absolution by helping take down the tillmans. he seems really reverent whenever he refers to her as a tiger and, given the season’s theme of debt and munch’s code about honoring debt, i wouldn’t be surprised if he considers himself somewhat indebted to her for choosing to spare his life when she could have killed him at the gas station, especially with how much they lingered on her standing over him in that scene

alternatively, assuming he gets no peace/absolution, i’d also like if they at least kept the mystery around his character alive with a more ambiguous death? the show itself treats him as some sort of strange specter, implying he’s immortal with the flashback and having witt joke that the gas station cameras couldn’t have captured munch even if they had been working because he’s like a ghost. so, maybe something like him appearing to die, but upon returning to the scene later his body is missing without explanation, similar to the gas station scene, continuing to leave his true nature and his ending up to the audience’s interpretation (obvs would also love it if he vanished without being mortally wounded at all too)

that’s what I would LIKE, anyway, but you never know with fargo! my favorite character last season got sucked up into a tornado lol. there are no shots of munch in the trailers beyond the next ep, and it’s always possible he could die sooner than expected or in a much more villainous or anticlimactic way than i’m imagining! either way, he's already climbed his way to the very top of my list of fargo faves

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Honestly supernatural should've had lots of gore, I'm talking more then it does in the show already. There should've been lots of blood and guts and gross stuff. There should've been more ghost goo that we saw in the early seasons, we should've gotten more darker content like maybe someone going on a murderous rampage. Lucifer should've been more fucked up and evil, i also would've loved for Lucifer to come back, that would've been sick as fuck, the episode where Nick tries to summon Lucifer from the empty and he almost came back... should've happened, would've loved to seen it. The episode where John comes back feels so rushed, they should've kept John around for a few more episodes if I'm being honest, the whole episode seemed so rushed. Mary should've stayed dead. They should if never brought her back, her character was shit, she was shit, she's a shitty mum who really only gave a fuck about Dean. Heck Sam even says it! He goes on a vent about how he never had a relationship with his mum. Mary Winchester is a horrible mother and a stupid bitch. I will forever be a Mary Winchester hater. She sucks and I am so fucking glad they killed her off. She should of never been brought back. And they should've just killed her 1 season after she came back if I'm being honest. Mary Winchester sucks.

TBH THANK GOD YOU SAID, IM ALSO A MARY HATER, she just had a terrible character and I'll die on that hill, and ur right THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE GORE, I only think they didn't bc it was early 2000s and it was the cw they were scared of the gays so yknow they were too much of pussies to put more gore

[macaronienthusiast]

Some friendly advice: like 80% of the posts about spn on here are straight up wrong 😭 like im not even convinced half the fandom have watched the show. is it sexist? I mean yeah but so is literally every other show that started in the mid 2000s (some seasons are better than others so it's 50/50 and there are some genuinely very good female characters - yes ones that don't die as well). their handling of queer characters is also not actually that bad, there are several recurring queer characters and cas is also a main character from s4. some of the queer characters even live! (which is saying something tbh because they kill off most of the cishet characters too lmao). imo the network censorship is 10x worse than the way the actual writers handle queer characters, as there are 4 queer writers that played a major role in the writing and production of the show (Steve Yockey, Bobo Berens, Robbie Thompson and Eric Charmelo)... I'm not saying it's perfect or even brilliant, since a lot of the episodes do come off as a bit outdated now, but anyone who acts like it's an abusive relationship doesn't actually like the show and is putting themselves through pain they could avoid if they just watched a different show.

Headnote, sorry this post was massive but I hope this clears my opinion up!

Very valid, my post is mostly in response to the post (will link if found) where someone mentioned that even if two men are dating they never say they are gay and they never refer to queer partnerships as "gay" which to be fair can be a bit of a nitpick but I've also heard SO MUCH about the writers writing something very explicitly queer in and then the producers & execs watered it down for the network, Granted I should have put less heat on the writers for that but regardless the show is a product of its producing team and if the producing team, including the network, butchered it, then the show was butchered. What we see is what we have. I'm not going to watch a show where every 4 seconds I have to go "hm that wasn't great but I do know that it was hypothetically better than this in a never-released, arguably nonexistent state."

Also I love lots of 2000s media but don't let it get away with sexism, transphobia, homophobia, racism, etc. just because it's a product of its time. I criticize Friends for its poor handling of fat people and Chandler's MTF mom despite still loving the show and rewatching a season or two every fall––def didn't mean for the post to be like "If u like a show that ever handles a topic badly that means ur cancelled" bc that is a piss take. Just like. The more consistent it is the less of a pass I give it. If there are 4 episodes where someone is like "Chandler's dad is a woman!!!" I'll be like ehhhhh but keep watching but when it's 15 seasons of "ooh I wanna squeeze this possessed woman's big honking mommy milkers my hands are so hairy form jerking off" I just can't stay into it (which again, haven't seen much of spn so people's criticism of it could make me think this happens more than it does).

The post this is in reference to was kind of about how many fans of supernatural are fans of what it could be and not fans of what the show is actually like. Granted I know many parts of it are good otherwise it wouldn't have such a massive fanbase! Didn't mean to drag a lot of people's fav show too hard!! I'm sure there's much to love about it.