#thirteen/Simm!master
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Alright, I'll say it: Jack Harkness and the Doctor's relationship is possibly the most fleshed out/complicated dynamic in Doctor Who and that is INCLUDING the master/doctor relationship. Seriously, think about it:
the fact that when they meet jack is presented as sleazy con man and the doctor makes him brave- makes him good
but that they are both willing to die for rose as long as she is safe
and then she comes back and dooms them both to live (even though jack has already died for her and the doctor WILL die for her)
(ninerosejack is canon and you cannot convince me otherwise)
but then the doctor sees jack as immortal as someone he COULD spend the rest of his life with
and instead of embracing it like you'd think he would because he is so wrecked by people leaving him/being left by him the doctor RUNS bc the Doctor is so scared of jack of what he means of what he is
jack ends up abandoned in dalek dust goes back in time to find the doctor suffers a hundred years alone/being tortured but STILL WAITS
(screw amy being the girl who waited or rory being the boy who waited- Jack Harkness is the boy who waited and he did it FIRST)
Jack finds out that he was abandoned. that the man that he loves HATES the sight of him. that the doctor would rather have a genocidal murderer than have him
and so Jack gets the hell out of dodge to go to a man who DOES love him
and don't get me wrong Jack loves Ianto and Jack DOES remember Ianto until he dies as the Face of Boe don't forget that (protecting Novice Hame from the virus as he couldn't Ianto
BUT AFTER EVERYTHING THE DOCTOR HAS DONE TO JACK JACK STILL LOVES THEM
Jack still considers five billion years cursed to never die to be BETTER than the alternative: dying a young time-agent-turned-con-man
Jack has more reason than any other companion save maybe Amy to hate the Doctor & yet spends 20 years in jail to rescue Thirteen still LOVES HER
AND AFTER FIVE BILLION YEARS HE ORGANIZES THAT FIRST MEETING ON SATELLITE FIVE HE ORGANIZES 9/ROSE'S FIRST DATE
jack harkness is a living ghost a reminder of the doctor's failures a physical fixed point and yet he still loves the girl who cursed him and the time lord that turned him into the kind of person that would give his dying breaths to protect the last of humanity in a dying city and tell the doctor that he is not alone
because fuck it, YANA was a warning but also a reminder a final gift
jack had been there all along, a ghost an echo a PROMISE
there is no more human character than jack harkness
#jack harkness#captain jack harkness#meta#tenjack#ninejack#ninejackrose#ninerosejack#nine x jack x rose#ten x jack#the face of boe#tenth doctor#ninth doctor#thirteenth doctor#thirteenjack#thirteen x jack#i still have a lot of feelings about this man#janto#ianto jones#his story SHOULD BE TRAGIC and in a lot of ways it is but it also beautiful and optimistic about the strength of love and the human spirit#jack devoted himself to the doctor and was spat out but he welcomed it#simm!master
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#ridoctorwho#peter capaldi#twelfth doctor#12th Doctor#the 12th doctor#doctor who#doctor who memes#missy!master#missy doctor who#missy#Michelle Gomez#the master#saxon master#John simm#thirteen#thirteenth doctor#jodie whittaker
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Timelords can communicate by telepathy for long distances! This way they don't have to be close!
Those two specific Timelords at every possible occasions:
(*somewhere Rassilon is clutching their pearls* XD)
#doctor who#otp#thoschei#ten#twelve#thirteen#the master#missy#david tennant#jodie whittaker#peter capaldi#sacha dhawan#michelle gomez#john simm#fandom#lgbtq#lol#life#my art#random
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I hate to be a hater but the doctor making out with the rouge guy broke my little thoschei and Riverdoctor heart what the fuck was that, is the doctor really moving on from his WIFE? It's great to have LGBTQ representation but also the fact they did it during pride month and not another month feels like pandering, all these years they could have done it any other time, it's been known the doctor doesn't care about gender and is genderless, why not like her kiss Yaz? Or kiss River as 13? Or have two female doctor and master forms interact? Or let tensimm kiss, they looked like they were about to on SEVERAL occasions. There is nothing wrong with Rouge as a character but I think it was out of character for 15 to disregard his wife like that, he can move on, but just like that??? Also 12 kissed missy twice, why was the only time they kissed in a heterosexual context?
#river x doctor#thoschei#river song#the doctor#the master#rouge doctor who#15th doctor#doctor who#lgbtq#doctor x master#tensimm#yaz x thirteen#thirteenth doctor#13th doctor#fifthteenth doctor#saxon master#simm master#doctor who master#master doctor who#the master doctor who#harold saxon#doctor x river#doctor x rogue#doctor who rouge#12th doctor#twelfth doctor#doctor who missy#missy doctor who#twissy
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oh (O) dear. friends, i have begun Thirteen's era and regret to say...the Master's finally gotten me (again) 😳😳😳💖💖💖
#kicking my legs and giggling he is so DERANGED and giddy with it too!!!! gorgeous ridiculous awful Time Lord that you are Master 🥴👉👈#as a tiny child i was soooo obsessed with Simm!Master but Dhawan!Master is even more up my alley 🙈💖 gosh what is WRONG with him#and let it be known that i made the terrible mistake of watching Kerblam! today as my first Thirteen episode#but thankfully it was hugely rectified with Spyfall#about to devour every ep that the Master's in for this era. what a lovely grin he has. he could shrink me if he likes 👉👈#the master#dhawan!master#doctor who#dw#spyfall#sacha dhawan#starleskatalks
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Pss pss pss pss Thoschei fans come here pssss psss psss, did you know I wrote some filth during kinktober. I did a spydoc one and a saxteen one...pss pss pss.
Added links to them.
Violence (spydoc) [ x ]
Collar (saxteen) [ x ]
#buggy talks#doctor who#saxteen#simm!master x fourteen#thoschei#master x doctor#best enemies#spydoc#thirteen x dhawan!master
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#finally got around to watching thirteen’s seasons#this is like. specifically about dhawan master but it definitely fits at least also simm#you guys get this because I keep talking about doctor who in my groupchat as if I don’t have a tumblr for this exact reason#none of them have any idea what I’m talking about they don’t watch doctor who because they HATE me#doctor who#dhawan!master#the master doctor who#simm!master#gomez!master#the salmon are kissing and it sounds like the words of god
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I’m still so mad and confused about the master during thirteen’s seasons. Like. Okay. I figured the master would become a major villain again because they’re the master and they’re iconic and etc etc but Missy literally developed SO fucking much and it was completely ignored and not even MENTIONED during thirteen’s run. Like why the fresh fucking hell did the master go from feeling guilt about what they’ve done and finally admitting “maybe it’s time to stand with the doctor” to That with no acknowledgement and no explanations it makes no goddamn sense to me like whether you liked missy’s redemption arc or not the lack of continuity and erasure of character depth is INFURIATING
#sorry I’ve been rewatching doctor who and I hit thirteen’s seasons and uuuggghhhhhhhhhhhhh#because of all the nine and fifteen parallels#originally I was just gonna watch nine but it turned into a full rewatch and yeah here I am#I’ll be annoying and cling to the idea that dhawan’s master was actually the regeneration between simms master and Missy#it makes sense to me#I know that’s not the case but SSSHHHHHH LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME CLING TO THIS#IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT#but uuuuggghhhhh like I love the master I think they’re so interesting#but thirteen’s master just makes no goddamn sense to me#and like it sucks! because I like dhawan as the master!#I think his performance is engaging and he was an interesting version of the character#but why did they WRITE HIM THAT WAY 😭😭😭#kaz rambles
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AroAce Space Doctor Who Icons! 2
- there will be more like these, ones without pride flags and ones with different pride flags (( you can ask me to make some with a certain flag if you want ))
#doctor who#doctor who icons#the master#the master icons#john simm#john simm icons#sacha dhawan#sacha dhawan icons#thirteen icons#thirteenth doctor icons#thirteenth doctor#thirteen#jodie whittaker#jodie whittaker icons#thasmin#thasmin icons#missy#missy icons#the mistress#the mistress icons#michelle gomez#michelle gomez icons#aroace#aromantic asexual#aroace pride#aromantic asexual pride#aroace icons#aromantic asexual icons
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kind of enraptured by the idea of ten/dhawan!master just because they'd have the classic thoschei "i could fix you"/"i could make you worse" dynamic but they're also in a competition as to who wants to die at the other's hand first
#on the other hand we have simm!master/thirteen who'd be trying to cannibalize the other for sport#dr who#10 era#13 era
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i do think a lot about the master & the doctor both deliberately seeking out other regenerations of each other than whoever they’re mostly interacting with. especially when they just want a chat, a moment’s truce, something that could be called comfort if they dared to put it into words. easier to do those things when, well, they’re still enemies, but the hurts are farther apart in time. ‘i’m your future, you’re my past, we’re both still hurting each other where we come from, but that’s a different me and a different you, and tonight, can’t we just play a game or share a bed for old time’s sake?’ you know?
#and its very much not a secret thing obviously. theyre both very aware theyre doing it. theyre crossing up their timelines like crazy.#anyway this idea brought to you by me reading a summary of a fic where thirteen goes back in time and fucks simm!master aldjfkgjks#which is. a little off topic from what im going for here. but yeah also that they do jump around the timelines to have sex.#but something about that fic idea specifically intrigued me because like. there’s that whole year where the master is just in one place#playing the part of harold saxon. he’s not going anywhere.#and like what if versions of the doctor just showed up. to bug him. to yell at him. to lay side by side on the floor quietly for as long as#they can both manage to stand it. and obviously to have hate sex on his desk.#i mean what kind of angsty fuckery would that dredge up right? to be able to visit the master before he even dies in their arms in his#timeline. and its not about stopping it or anything. just about the fact that he’s there. he’s not going anywhere.#idk. something to think about i guess.
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#ridoctorwho#doctor who#doctor who memes#theta sigma#the doctor#12th Doctor#Peter Capaldi#Clara Oswald#Jenna Coleman#12Clara#whouffaldi#clara x twelve#twelve x clara#koschei oakdown#koschei#the master#dhawan!master#spy!master#sacha dhawan#13th Doctor#Jodie Whittaker#thoschei#thirteen x master#spy!doc#simm!master#John simm#15th doctor#Ncuti Gatwa#Yasmin khan#Mandip gill
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Right? (This goes for all of their regenerations. I love them and I live for the day the Doctor will properly deck the Master! (°◡°♡) )
#doctor who#thirteen#The Master#Jodie Whittaker#sacha dhawan#thoschei#otp#lol#meme#quote#fandom#Twelve#missy#ten#David Tennant#peter capaldi#Michelle Gomez#john simm#my art#life
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and it drove him mad. the thought of it alone made his breathing hitch and his skin itch. no, crawl. all at once, no controlling it. all he was, was because of her. it's no wonder all she ever did was run, it's what she'd been doing before she could remember.
and all she was, well there's no denying, it was because of him. a lifetime ago, sure, but him nonetheless. back when he was a proper time lady. its sickening, really.
she was nothing more than a pet. a faithful and loyal companion to the one who ran. a human. that's all she was, that's all he'd planned for. a clever, hopeful one, easily compulsed to save all of her lives, over and over. and all because he'd given them a proper push back then. a push that was hard enough to cause his oldest friend to kill himself for the duration of half the universe's existence. all for a human.
but she was much more than that now. all that time, all that space, all that life and the lack of a-
heartbeat.
it'd be a damned mistake to call her a human anymore.
no.
she was more than that, and she's lived longer than he could possibly assume. a product of his own actions and she's just as strong as he was. just as mad. just as reckless and just as hopeless.
she was truly an impossible girl.
and he was nothing, if not tempted, to see just how impossible she could be.
#me when i casually retcon the hybrid arc because wtf even was that...#they were just in love. no reason for a dumb arc that made no sense#THEY WERE JUST CRAZY OVER EACH OTHER!!!!!#anyways spyclara time#i was going thru that like 'he's a product of the doctor and shes a product of the master and its torturous'#and SO GOOD#i cant write though#also i was only writing thru the masters pov because im currently watching the end of tiem pt 1#and i was seeing simms going crazy#and just rmeembered how good the masters mind can be when hes jusy#relentlessly mad#anyways#spyclara#spymaster#clara oswald#thirteen#thirteenth doctor#twelve#twelfth doctor#doctor who#twelveclara#spydoc#the master isnt into all that 'youre a MYSTERY'#hes more like 'youre a HOT MESS lets do it together xoxo'
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This was on Pinterest, unattributed, although that's likely a signature by the Master's right foot. It doesn't come up in Google search, either, except for more Pinterest posts. But it's amusing, enjoy. And if it's yours or you know who did it, let us know. I for one would like to see more of this artist's work.
#fanart#find_the_artist#Thirteen#Jodie Whittaker#the Master#John Simm#although at first I thought it was Delgado....
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I'm surprised there isn't more people who are fans of both simm master and dhawan master. They're both characters who are terrible and awful and easy to hate yet feel so completely heartbreaking
#doctor who#i suspect that it may be because a lot of simm master fans arent actually fans of the master but fans of thr masters#relationship with the doctor#and spydoc is not an easy ship to ship#ten was overly forgiving and thirteen isnt willing to forgive at all#twelve was a complicated middle ground that always left Missy in limbo but its the closest they got to a good relationship
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