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I HATE when people say that kageyama hates kenma or atsumu, like BROTHER IN CHRIST close ao3 and open the MANGA!!! kageyama would never hate another setter, stop thinking that fanfic is canon,, geez bro stop with that shit
#damn#i hate when people do that#(bitches on tik tok mostly)#they don't know how to interpret text#haikyuu#h.txt#q#and they say kageyama is jealous of kenma and like#KAGEYAMA DOESN'T CARE#DAMNNN#kageyama tobio#kagehina
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Save me solarpunk farmer Pearl... Solarpunk farmer Pearl save me... (Design by @applestruda awesomest character design I've seen in my life good gorsh)
#Hermitcraft#PearlescentMoon#I haven't stopped thinking about this design I had to draw it#I'm obsessed#I love her#Can you tell that I don't know how to draw anything remotely mecha#That's the cause of half my 'creative liberties' LOL#Biggest rule of drawing mecha is just to draw fun shapes and hope it turns out in a way that can be interpreted coherently#Source: Just trust me bro#Also I mistook what I'm pretty sure is a buckle hanging off her coat for a mysterious red and white alien sphere#And I'm keeping it like that#:P#*Add alt text later#*(When I know what half the things on this outfit are lol)
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Not sure I care enough to engage with the post, but to read SVSSS + extras and come away with the interpretation that SJ doesn't care about why YQY failed to save him, just that he did fail, and therefore would never forgive him or change his behavior towards him if he learned the truth, feels off-place to me. It seems to lean into the view that SJ doesn't actually care about YQY, just sees him as a useful tool, and thus couldn't be hurt by the supposed abandonment - with that interpretation it would then make sense to think he would neither care nor change his behavior (towards YQY) upon learning what actually happened.
#generously put - I suppose it's not an interpretation that the text of svsss completely forbids#but I don't see it as the most probable interpretation by a long shot and it doesn't explain their interactions or themes well at all#given that Shen Jiu eventually canonically forgives YQY even without an explanation I don't see why he wouldn't if one was earnestly given#I could see SJ continuing to throw some lingering degree of fit if he learned that YQY had indeed tried but failed#(and YQY honestly doesn't need to elaborate on the whole trauma only the important part - that he set out too late)#but I really don't think their relationship would have been anything like how it turned out in canon#no real comment on how SJ's actions would change on ~everything else~ since it's so counterfactual after that point and we know he's a git#I do honestly feel that the novel bolsters this idea with the whole thing at Maigu Ridge#where SY learns of YQY's tragedy and immediately sees what he has to do to avert the same with LBH#he saw how important it was to explicitly let LBH know how loved he is even if he can't explain everything because it CAN change things#and it does for them#the responsibility part is... well everyone is responsible for their own behavior - including SJ#now I don't have strong opinions on this next part#but regardless of trauma or his right to remain silent - YQY has some responsibility for the ~direct~ consequences of the choice he made#namely referring to SJ's belief that he was callously abandoned and his pain and anger over it#but he is absolutely not responsible for SJ's “everything else”#idk just had some thoughts
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This isn't aimed at anyone individually, but; I always regret opening the box that is ascended vs non-ascended Astarion fans and "who is actually the pathetic eternally broken one".
#Death of the Author etc#Do not attempt to bring me into the discourse: I Do Not Agree With Your Interpretation and I Do Not Care and That is Fine We Can Disagree#It Does Not Require Discussion#When you have fundamentally different readings and desires for the same text there's... really nothing to be said?#Apples and Oranges#You have fun with your own playthrough choices and leave me out of the larger fandom drama#I will not have this flavour of arguing on my lore posts#Also “every single personality trait he has that I don't like is Trauma (TM)” arguments#I love the character and the fans I've met are fine but god I hate this fandom do you know how many posts I've muted and deleted.#griping
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Virtual hugs are always appreciated :)
#do you ever feel like everyone is playing a game but you don't know the rules? and everything is constantly changing?#that's how I feel about social interactions. one day X is a good and acceptable thing to say and suddenly it's insensitive?#it's considered polite to talk to people but if you talk you are also annoying? or am I the one that's annoying no matter what#I legitimately can't understand how proper socialization works#I can't understand why people don't just say what they want or how they feel and instead choose to let others guess#it's not up for personal interpretation just tell us what you want. get to the point and don't dance around the topic#I'm complaining now ignore me#thanks anon for the hug#anonymous#ask#not art#text
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Aro ally Majima let's goooo.
#not a reblog#picspam#yakuza#majima goro#my yakuza screencaps#yakuza 0#like okay i know that expressing this sentiment is not exactly the same as fully acknowledging aro-ness as a thing#but also i don't care i am interpreting this how i want#also yeah didn't really need the full screenshots of this whole thing#but when i cut it down to just the text box it felt awkward bc of the position of things behind it#so yeah that's why this is how it is#aro stuff
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Ohhhh Folly my beloved. I understand you like no one else does. I get it. Cycles of self hatred and not forgiving your inner child. I get you Folly AUGH IM SO ILL IM FUCKED UP ABOUT THIS FOREVER. AUGHHHH. FOLLYYYY
#text tag#I am NOT maintagging my insane ramblings ouhhhg you guys don't even know how emo I am about her ohhhhhh#Nebbie text posting#You guys don't even KNOW half of it .you don't. Not even people in patronage. I think cloudy's the only one who'd get her like I do#The cleave is such a metaphor about self loathing and how growing older changes you. Yeah okay sure yeah the tree god who's you is mad at—#you for having more potential than it when it's also you and it made you. This is a love letter to everybody who's hated themselves for—#not living up to expectatations in childhood and hating how they can't create like they used to and being jealous of their younger selves.#But that younger self is you too and when you hate it you hate yourself and you hurt yourself. And you become consumed by it#The great one and the dreamer and the parasite are all the same person and Folly is made of all three parts of herself fighting eachother#She's so ohhhhgg fuck. She's so tragic I'm so fucked up about this#AUUGH. AAHHHFGGHH CAN ANYONE HEAR ME. FUCK!!!!!! AAUUGH#LIKE OKAY. LOOK. IT SAYS. IT SAYS RIGHT THERE IN THE STORY THAT ITS OWN HATRED BECAME A PARASITE. LIKE#THAT HATE IS NOT AN OUTSIDE FORCE THAT'S HER OWN HATE FOR HERSELF FROM HERSELF OF HERSELF.#IM SO FUCKED UP ABOUT THIS. FUCK. THIS IS ALL IM GONNA THINK ABOUT FOR SO LONG#HI. HERE WITH NEW REVELATIONS TWO DAYS LATER. I've seen it interpreted very ALSO CORRECTLY as—#experiences of a victim of child abuse and even CSA. And I wanna say those takes are incredibly real too.#Cycles of self harm is the first way I saw it but the tree as a mentor or parental figure that becomes jealous of their child—#rings true with the experiences of a lot of people and. ouhgn fuck it hurts. The cleaveeeeeeee the CLEAVEEEEEEEEE#<- insane person rambling and sobbing I'm so fucked up about the cleave.
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Margaret of Anjou’s visit to Coventry [in 1456], which was part of her dower and that of her son, Edward of Lancaster, was much more elaborate. It essentially reasserted Lancastrian power. The presence of Henry and the infant Edward was recognised in the pageantry. The ceremonial route between the Bablake gate and the commercial centre was short, skirting the area controlled by the cathedral priory, but it made up for its brevity with no fewer than fourteen pageants. Since Coventry had an established cycle of mystery plays, there were presumably enough local resources and experience to mount an impressive display; but one John Wetherby was summoned from Leicester to compose verses and stage the scenes. As at Margaret’s coronation the iconography was elaborate, though it built upon earlier developments.
Starting at Bablake gate, next to the Trinity Guild church of St. Michael, Bablake, the party was welcomed with a Tree of Jesse, set up on the gate itself, with the prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah explaining the symbolism. Outside St. Michael’s church the party was greeted by Edward the Confessor and St. John the Evangelist; and proceeding to Smithford Street, they found on the conduit the four Cardinal Virtues—Righteousness (Justice?), Prudence, Temperance, and Fortitude. In Cross Cheaping wine flowed freely, as in London, and angels stood on the cross, censing Margaret as she passed. Beyond the cross was pitched a series of pageants, each displaying one of the Nine Worthies, who offered to serve Margaret. Finally, the queen was shown a pageant of her patron saint, Margaret, slaying the dragon [which 'turned out to be strictly an intercessor on the queen's behalf', as Helen Maurer points out].
The meanings here are complex and have been variously interpreted. An initial reading of the programme found a message of messianic kingship: the Jesse tree equating royal genealogy with that of Christ had been used at the welcome for Henry VI on his return from Paris in 1432. A more recent, feminist view is that the symbolism is essentially Marian, and to be associated with Margaret both as queen and mother of the heir rather than Henry himself. The theme is shared sovereignty, with Margaret equal to her husband and son. Ideal kingship was symbolised by the presence of Edward the Confessor, but Margaret was the person to whom the speeches were specifically addressed and she, not Henry, was seen as the saviour of the house of Lancaster. This reading tips the balance too far the other way: the tableau of Edward the Confessor and St. John was a direct reference to the legend of the Ring and the Pilgrim, one of Henry III’s favourite stories, which was illustrated in Westminster Abbey, several of his houses, and in manuscript. It symbolised royal largesse, and its message at Coventry would certainly have encompassed the reigning king. Again, the presence of allegorical figures, first used for Henry, seems to acknowledge his presence. Yet, while the message of the Coventry pageants was directed at contemporary events it emphasised Margaret’s motherhood and duties as queen; and it was expressed as a traditional spiritual journey from the Old Testament, via the incarnation represented by the cross, to the final triumph over evil, with the help of the Virgin, allegory, and the Worthies. The only true thematic innovation was the commentary by the prophets.
[...] The messages of the pageants firmly reminded the royal women of their place as mothers and mediators, honoured but subordinate. Yet, if passive, these young women were not without significance. It is clear from the pageantry of 1392 and 1426 in London and 1456 in Coventry that when a crisis needed to be resolved, the queen (or regent’s wife) was accorded extra recognition. Her duty as mediator—or the good aspect of a misdirected man—suddenly became more than a pious wish. At Coventry, Margaret of Anjou was even presented as the rock upon which the monarchy rested. [However,] a crisis had to be sensed in order to provoke such emphasis [...]."
-Nicola Coldstream, "Roles of Women in Late Medieval Civic Pageantry", Reassessing the Roles of Women as 'Makers' of Medieval Art and Culture
#historicwomendaily#margaret of anjou#my post#henry vi#yeah I don't necessarily agree with Laynesmith's interpretation (that it was essentially Marian with an emphasis on shared sovereignty)#which she herself says is 'admittedly very speculative'#as this book points out that interpretation tips the balance too far on the other side and has a somewhat selective reading#It's also important to remember that this interpretation was not really reflected across wider Lancastrian propaganda at the time#which isn't really talked about - let alone emphasized - as much by historians but remained focused on the King#For example: look at the pro-Lancastrian poem 'The Ship of State' which hails Henry VI as a 'noble shyp made of good tree'#and emphasizes how he was widely supported and defended by many great Lancastrian lords and the crown prince#but not Margaret who was entirely absent#also look at the book 'Knyghthode and Bataile' (presented to Henry) and Fortescue's various pro-Lancastrian texts in the 1460s#even the recording of that Yorkist trial which was iirc reported in the 1459 attainder#all of these were entirely conventional and highlighted the presence and importance of the King. Margaret was not emphasized.#so either the Lancastrians were impossibly inconsistent about what message they actually wanted to convey about the role of their own queen#or the Coventry pageants were not actually meant to emphasize Margaret in the lieu of Laynesmith's interpretation#and would not have been viewed in such a manner by contemporaries#I think we should also keep in mind that we don't really know what Henry VI's condition was like at the time of MoA's entry to Coventry#we know he had been injured in St. Albans and had only just recovered from his second illness#this is especially important to consider since we know he had also arrived at Coventry before Margaret but much more discreetly#and was not welcomed by any pageants that we know of. This is VERY unusual and can be best explained if we consider the fact that he#may have simply not been in the right state (be it physical or state of mind) for it at the time#in which case the pageants for Margaret should be viewed as more of a improvisation/cover-up/temporary measure to bolster prestige#or Henry may have deliberately taken a more discreet role to emphasize the position of his heir - especially important after the long wait#imo I think Kipling's interpretation (ie: that they addressed Margaret but really referenced the prince & heir) makes a lot more sense:#'Coventry [...] regarded Margaret's entry as a kind of triumph-by-proxy: the Queen entered the city but Coventry received its Prince'#though I think he tends to view Margaret as more of a cipher (and has a very questionable view of Henry VI) which I also don't agree with.#The pageants very much DID focus on and reference her but they most prominently emphasized her 'motherhood and duties as queen'#ie: I think Kipling and Laynesmith tip too far on opposite sides and I think this interpretation takes the most realistic middle ground
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I know I’m batting at the hornet nest, and please know that if you like this character, it’s nothing personal bc we interpret things as they make more sense to us that being said, I cannot stand the Solas gang who paint him as nothing BUT someone who has the interest of elves at heart and was their liberator, who is just kind and thoughtful and does his best to help people. I do not have a problem with people who like Solas bc this isn’t a morality competition about who has the most correct opinions, nor I care about people who do that, but did we play the same game?
Destroying the world is not the revolutionary move of liberation you think it is. I think we have seen enough movies that deal with that ecofascist narrative (bc even if the character isn’t, the narrative is). People still live in the world, and anyone who would genuinely suggest this would be destroyed in an argument by people who do actual mutual aid and left-based activism. What is or isn’t revolutionary doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and the devs being terminally Canadian/USAmerican don’t get to redefine things that exist beyond and over them
Solas isn’t a particularly helpful person. Not even to elves. Thinking pitifully of city elves and as the Dalish as savages, without any will to recognise the culture that flourished among them is also not the solidarity move you think it is
Solas isn’t particularly kind. Being soft spoken isn’t the same as being kind
For a fandom that usually has a lot of issues with other characters being used as BioWare mouth pieces (which is honestly understandable and I’m not jabbing at bc me too bestie), a lot of people in this fandom seem to be okay with Solas being one of the most blatant mouth-pieces there is
A person who laments hurting you, and saying he doesn’t want to hurt you, and how he wish he wasn’t hurting you, and who has the space to STOP and DOESN’T is you know. not someone who’s particularly interested in listening to other people
This is the guy who killed his best friend because he had the audacity to believe that a city elf could actually better the conditions of elves who are currently alive. Which is the revolutionary thing to do
The Elvhenan being destroyed is literally Solas’ doing. Organise unions and commit regicide like a normal person if it bothers you so much
“But they were enslavers” gee listen, I’m not saying the ancient elvhen empire should be pristine and perfect and a happy utopia, but you’ve never stopped to think how it’s at least a little racist that they modelled a people after several indigenous cultures and cultures of colour and then decided that the guy who wanted to fix them was a white looking king and fallen god who thinks people who are lesser than him are underdeveloped and savage? Not only that but that BioWare decided that that very culture was going to be based on slavery like a wildly inaccurate, racist, methodologically questionable global north high school text talking about Mesoamerican cultures? That they took the ancient practice of face tattoos and decided they were slave markings? How white are you???
Once again he constantly distances himself from modern elves, and the only one he speaks kindly of is a high approval Dalish Inquisitor.
He is one of the biggest “all faith in anything at all is subjugation if you disagree with me you are committing an attack on the very concept of freedom" characters in the franchise. I fully see going that route when you’re playing with Andrastianism, because of the narrative around it in the game and the influences it has. But with other minority religions and Otherised cultures in the game? It is straight up racist to me, and sounds too close to white atheism for my comfort. This isn’t just a Solas thing, but a Bioware thing in general. Even if Andrastianism is criticised or portrayed as genuinely damaging, every single person who isn’t a human andrastian is portrayed as being Oppressed Without Knowing It. every single dialogue and investigation option is framed like this.
Also foreign liberators don’t really tend to be liberators. People who seek to free other people because they know better should be met with resistance. It is with the people or not at all, and Solas actually fits in this category. He sees himself as the granter of Freedom. Where I come from, we call these people gringos or conquistadores, so you choose.
I’m not saying you can’t find entertainment, enjoyment, pathos or whatever else in this particular character. On the contrary, as different narratives and different narrative devices satisfy different things. That, however, doesn’t mean the narrative they use is extremely skewed and can be interpreted as extremely infective in terms of what people pretend it is aka a story about Liberation.
In my personal opinion, Bioware doesn’t have stories about liberation because it does not have the range for it in Dragon Age, which leaves us with a lot of half assed attempts, but I digress. My point is I’m not claiming to know what you see in this character just because I don’t enjoy him, or that you can’t at all. I’m not the boss of you. I am, however, proposing that perhaps people should stop ignoring Solas’ negative traits and the actual text material to pretend he’s some benevolent, lost, elvhen King Arthur come to fix things while being willing to kill everyone else in the process. Again.
#jules.txt#character critical#da critical#solas critical#'but everyone hates my favourite character'. listen. i don't think anyone is allowed to give you personal shit for characters they don't#like but you do. but like at least work with the text instead of making solas a white liberator who is not at all how he actually is#i follow a lot of people who main solas and whose interpretations of his narrative i think Fuck and are excellently constructed#*even if i don't see it that way or disagree* bc you know different analysis and solid building#but we're gonna lie now?
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irritates me to no end that the only confirmation we have that Reyna is alloace is a random quote tweet that has since been deleted
#word of god confirmations are tenuously canon at best#since it's very easy to read the books and never find out that she's canonically ace at all#(I legit thought she was canonically aro until recently because that's how I interpreted her I had no idea she was written to be allo)#especially since the way that whole scene was written makes it sound like she's choosing to be single#rather than lack of attraction being a meaningful part of her identity#Like it's good in some ways because it gives me (an aroace person) space to headcanon her as aroace sometimes#but on the other hand it gives people space to disregard her asexuality entirely and that. sucks to see :/#(not that in-text confirmation would stop some people)#(you don't even want to know which female character I saw someone ship with Nico recently)#anyway. wish her identity was explicitly stated in the books so we could have irrefutable evidence that she's ace
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Me watching Repo for the first time: Yup, Luigi's a fun character
Me now:
#This could be interpreted both negatively and positively you decide#Mutuals I'm sorry for all the Repo posts on a single day but this is too perfect and fitting to pass up on#So once again. Happy Birthday Luigi eyy 🎂#I'm so normal about him I swear#Luigi Largo#Repo! The Genetic Opera#Repo!TGO#R!TGO#RTGO#Ugh all these tags man#Now I'm gonna go back to my notes file with >36.000 words and continue to be normal#Text in alt#Alt text#I still don't know how to write those properly but there's... sth I guess#Queue#I originally wrote this on the 10th but yeah like I said it's the perfect timing#My posts
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once again i am frustrated because i cannot understand this when it is not at all that difficult I wanna understand it so bad please please please
#physics is kicking my ass hnggggggg#idk if this would be any easier if I had taken gen physics before this (like I was supposed to)#or if I would still be struggling#worst part is that there's nowhere I can go and ask for help#I can ask a few friends but usually they're all busy and don't have Time and also none of them live near me so it's all over text#I just don't understand like. How to set it up. And if im interpreting the word problem correctly#I've been trying to do this one problem for like. 30 minutes and I have no idea where to even begin#i am so stressed mann#im trying to watch videos and stuff that explain it but i just cannot concentrate at all today and I don't know whyyy#i am just frustrated at myself. i want to do this my brain just does not fucking wanna cooperate with me#i dunno im just bitching ig. idk wtf to do#worst part is that it's like. You use answer A to solev answer B to solve answer C and so forth#so if u fuck up somewhere then it messes up your entire thing#and like. I don't even know how to set up the fucking problem so#im just annoyed. And stressed. And bitchy#this is my only hmwk problem left and then im done#I wish my brain would work with me for five fucking minutes Jesus christ#doesn't help that I barely understood the first unit so now I'm just clueless on the second one#lilac post
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pretend to be shocked if you wish but i don’t even see mxy’s incestuous harassment of jgy as something like... Bad™, twisted or something that proves how Wrong In The Head he was. it’s just sad. chances are jgy was his first and last love, because -- how incredibly easy it would have been. i don’t think mxy was, hmm, mentally equipped to process “half-brother! off-limits!” -- he’s never seen this man before in his life, that’s a stranger! but what a stranger. he’s kind, respectful, capable and brilliant, hardworking despite the way he’s treated in jinlintai -- and mxy probably isn’t well-liked either, so even if jgy wasn’t also handsome, he would’ve gravitated towards this cool older dude who Understands. and hormones do the rest! and it didn’t even have to be immediate, or particularly sexual in nature, because i assume teens often don’t realize their crush is Obviously Showing. i’m just thinking about mxy who likes jgy so, so much and wants to be around him all the time, asks him about things, looks at him, catches a whiff of the incense on jgy’s robes as he walks past, blushes at the way jgy looks at a particular angle... just this sweet, innocent young love that’s so similar to the way jgy’s wife loved him before she was his wife So Fucking Doomed and mxy can’t even process it because he’s not even aware. :(
#of course i am myself so: forbidden passions sexy. desperate proper Harassment sexy. jgy taking a look at how his little brother#is looking at him with fire in his eyes and realizing how utterly fucked his life is? sexy#but: mxy just being head over heels in love with jgy :(((((((#but also re: the harassment#an interesting thing in jpn is that the text uses つきまとう which i'd translate as 'pester' and it's the same verb that jgs used#to bitch about how meng shi would totally pester him if he showed more interest in her and her child#that's one. and two: the person who brings that up to the reader's awareness is no one else but wwx. /he/ is the first source (for us)#of this 'rumor'. the fact that the jin disciples seem aware of it is something else but if mxy was complaining about the rumors#the text would phrase it differently. this is wwx interpreting the (difficult to read and understand but still) notes mxy left. notes that#we don't get to see. isn't this brilliant. we don't know what mxy wrote just what wwx understood from it#something something the loss of mxy's voice in the story starts with his sacrifice -- he mucked up the ritual and so wwx didn't even hear#his 'wish' he wanted wwx to fulfill -- but then it continues with the narration of wwx himself who Interprets his notes. eating my pen rn#anyway. yes#shrimp thoughts#liveshrimping#of sorts
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there's something buried deep in the connections between Alex, Maddie, Cable, Kwannon, Mystique, Destiny, Kurt, Forge and Greycrow (and a little bit Betsy & Rachel, too) in the Krakoan Era, and I think it's going to take a lot to unpack but for the moment, suffice to say:
it's somewhere in the idea of women bearing messiah-children they will never raise, women losing their children, the spectre of catholicism juxtaposed with ghosts and devils in the machines, women lost in the desert, the destruction of the body as the creation of the weapon, blood and destruction and undying love and mirror images and queer women and the men who love them —
it's all here and I wish I had better words for the web of connections I see in my head, but I don't, it's not a thing I can express in an essay form yet but it's so vibrantly present and I'm expecting it'll take me five more years to unpack it all.
#i need to do some kind of conspiracy board for this#its like nothing girls adjacent#but its also another thing entirely#a thing i dont even have a name for.#gah i hate when this happens#its so much easier when i can come away from a text with the ending interpretation#and then work backwards to how my brain got to that interpretation#like when i walked out of batman v superman with the interpretation 'this lex luthor is a queer trans man'#and then spent two years teasing out how my brain got to that point#or even nothing girls itself was reasonably clear about what it was from the statt#*start#this though...i genuinely don't know what it is.#hopefully i find out soon?#for now the tag will be:#bloody mother; desert mystic
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I try not to be a hater and I recognise that a lot of them are literally kids but the people who send specifically Neil Gaiman asks on this website are the stupidest motherfuckers alive and it's endlessly hilarious to me.
#red said#they're like mr Gaiman i love you so much mr Gaiman when the guys in good omens were in a garden called Eden was it the Garden of Eden?#mr Gaiman please i think it might be the garden of Eden but if you don't confirm it for me How will i Ever Know?#and he says something mildly snarky in response and they're like mr gaiman?????? is that true mr Gaiman?????? was it the garden of edna???#mr gaiman mr gaiman please confirm for me the One TRUE Reading of your work mr Gaiman i cannot rest until i know the Ultimate Literal Truth#i was born without the ability to interpret text please help me#hmmmmm this may be the most mean spirited thing I've posted in some time#OH WELL. SEND POST.
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I want to talk about anne neville and Elizabeth of York. I always thought they knew each other very well. They all have vague personalities in the eyes of passers-by, turbulent fates, tragic experiences caused by their father's death, good relations with husbands who have blood feuds indirectly through marriage, and unstable dynasty rule caused by death ... Because of their vague personalities, both women are easily used by historical authors to express their views, and they also have some connections (such as clothes that are often discussed, Elizabeth once had marriage rumors with Edward and Richard in Lancashire ... Their biographies were also criticized by readers as biased (I think this is because these two women are not extroverted, so the author can only imagine themselves ...)I am very frustrated that historical novels mostly use them to shape the men around them, and rarely pay attention to the inner thoughts of "silent" women. I can see some vivid characteristics of these two women in historical literature. One of my favorite facts about Elizabeth of York is that she arranged for her sister to marry her uncle's former supporters, and had a good relationship with the relatives of the Delapol family, which reminded me of her father's attempt to reconcile with Henry Beaufort. Unfortunately, the novels I read do not describe this at all. The marriage between Anne Neville and Richard III is originally described in the novel as Richard saving her, but from her escape from George's supervision, there is reason to believe that they are in a cooperative relationship, as well as Lancaster. Edward, in the novel, is always just an "evil ex husband..." But I think their brief marriage is not so shallow…
I think your frustration with the way Anne Neville and Elizabeth of York are written about is very justified. I'm not very knowledgable about their lives (honestly, I'm a little confused why you sent this to me) but even from a distance, I think they must have been a lot more complex that historians, commentators and novelists typically suppose they were. I think they largely serve as Ricardian mouthpieces now - Anne as Richard III's one true love, tragically lost and Elizabeth as his chief mourner and as another victim of Tudor rule - but it's also very easy to turn them to mouthpieces for Lancaster and Tudor, which was the image that dominated in Tudor times - Shakespeare's depiction of Anne as the chief mourner for Henry VI, the story Richard murdered Anne in order to forcibly marry Elizabeth, the depiction of Elizabeth as purely the idealised, virtuous and dutiful prop for her husband's rule). I think that, because there's a lack of information that lets us build up a more detailed idea of either women, they tend to be written in a way that expresses how the author really feels about the events and personalities of the Wars of the Roses. I can understand this impulse but I wish this impulse was focused more on them as individuals and less on being mouthpieces for the author's feelings about Richard III or Henry VII.
#i feel like both women have always been what their interpreters have wanted them to be#and i get it because like we don't know what mary de bohun#(another example of a 'silent woman' and one known far less than either of these two)#was really like so i write her how i wish her to have been#but i also have feelings about her as an individual and try to understand she's not a stock character#i do see similarities in how eoy is used as a way for ricardians to express grief and anger over r3's death#and how isabelle de valois is used to express their grief and anger over richard ii's deposition and death#except there is actual evidence of isabelle being angry and upset about what happened to richard ii#but the novels where isabelle is perennially in romantic love with richard ii where even on her deathbed she's longing for him...#and wishing she could have been his wife in deed as well as word...#(which honestly creep me tf out given how young she was when he died and how much older than her he was)#all give me big 'eoy being romantically hung up on her uncle and wishing for his incest baby long after his ~tragic death' vibes#asks#anon#long post#anne neville#elizabeth of york#i don't profess to being an expert on the ricardian and tudor phases of the wars of the roses#but i do know what i don't like and its ricardian bullshit or the same old repeated tropes#text posts
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