#they are just a group of men and i am just a guy but like our connection

[darkficsyouneveraskedfor]

Watchers Anonymous

Warnings: non/dubcon, stalking, and other dark elements. My username actually says you never asked for any of this.

My warnings are not exhaustive but be aware this is a dark fic and may include potentially triggering topics. Please use your common sense when consuming content. I am not responsible for your decisions.

Characters: Peter Parker, skinny!Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Thor, Loki, Curtis Everett, Jake Jensen, Cole Turner, Captain Syverson, (so far)

This AU is called Watcher Anonymous and will include different series for each of the above. This is our introduction to the group.

Summary: men with illicit infatuations come together to share and plot their perfect fantasies.

As usual, I would appreciate any and all feedback. I’m happy to once more go on this adventure with all of you! Thank you in advance for your comments and for reblogging ❤️

Introduction

"Do you really think we need snacks?" Jake asks as he unwraps the pan of rice crispy squares with sprinkles and chocolate drizzle. "I didn't think so but my aunt gave them to me," Peter shrugs. "I don't know."

"You're aunt?" Jake scoffs. He might be a loser but he's no mama's boy.

"Yeah, I mean, I usually go to bingo with her on Wednesdays but then this came up and... I had to make an excuse. I told her we were campaigning," he shrugs. "So she said, oh I'll make you boys some snacks..."

"Right," Jensen crosses his arms, reassured that he's not the lamest one in the pack. Not so far.

"When's that buddy of yours showing up?"

"Curtis? Oh, he said he wasn't sure," Jake shrugs. He hopes he has a friendly face there but he understands if it doesn't pan out. They all have places they'd rather be.

"Kinda nervous, not gonna lie," Peter confesses. It was his idea that they all meet up but now he's kind of regretting it. Strangers on the internet, on discord of all places, aren't necessarily the trustworthy type. He figures he's on there though and he's not that bad.

"Well, you seem chill," Jake offers. "So..."

"Thanks, I guess," Peter huffs.

There's a scuff at the door. A skinny blond stands in the doorway, looking down the hall behind him. He smooths his hair with his sweaty hands, slightly trembling. "Buck," he calls out in a voice deeper than one would guess by his appearance. "Down here." "Yeah, yeah," another replies behind the tramp of thick treads. "Looking for a john in this place. Shouldn't have had coffee."

"Oh, uh, Steve?" Peter greets uncertainly, "if I have that right?"

"That's me, yeah." He clears his throat and faces them. His nose is too big for his face, like a beak. The rest of him is tiny. He makes Peter feel big. Just like his special one... they'll get to that in a minute.

His friend catches up to him. Stood right behind him, he looks massive. Peter knows him too. Virtually at least. 

"And Bucky?" Peter adds. The other guy grunts and nods.

"This all?" Steve looks around at the mostly empty room.

"There's food?" Bucky wonders as he combs through his long hair. "Wasn't aware this was a catered event."

"Just snacks," Peter insists. He doesn't need any more hazing. Next time, he'll leave May's baking at home.

Steve wrings his hands before tucking them into his pockets. He chews his cheeks as Bucky heads for the snacks and greets Jake. There's more voices coming.

"Brother, don't be so grim," the large blond enters buoyantly, "it's about time you made some friends."

"I have friends," a slither returns dully.

"Ah, it is Peter!" Thor booms, not needing any introduction, though Peter wonders how he recognises him. "And let me guess, Jake with the glasses. Bucky has the shaggy hair like a dog, and Steve is slighter in frame."

"How..." Jake mutters.

"It is a gift of mine," he proclaims, "I'm Thor in case you couldn't guess. Oh and this," he pulls the other man forward and slings his arm over his lithe shoulders. "Is my brother, Loki."

Peter considers the uninvited sibling. Not as tall as his brother, or thick, and with sleek black hair and a long nose. They don't look related at all.

"I didn't know we were bringing plus ones," Bucky chews on a tart.

"Me either," Jake says.

"Oh, I do hope you don't mind. I wanted to invite him to the chat prior but... he is not often on the phone."

"It's fine," Peter assures, "I guess."

Bucky grumbles with less optimism and Jake sways. It's not exactly a gaming group or wholesome in any manner. Outsiders aren't safe.

"Relax, he has a special one," Thor girds. "Haven't you, brother?"

"I told you to mind your business," Loki retorts and gets only laughter in return.

"Jensen," a man enters without hesitation and marches to aforementioned man.

"Curt," Jake greets him with a nod, "you made it."

"Not thanks to... you!" He spots Thor and squares his shoulder. "You know, that truck is too big for your skillset."

"Ah, yes, it is only a ding, we will exchange info after," Thor rubs his neck with a guilty smile.

"Who are we missing?" Steve asks.

"Sy?" Jake suggests. "Don't think anyone else could make it."

"I'm here!" A sudden scramble through the door ends in a heap on the floor. The group of men turn to face the newcomer. "Urgh, ow." The man lays on his back after his slip. "I'm okay!"

He sits up and rubs the back of his head. Bucky tuts, "smooth."

"I'm--" the man pushes himself to his feet, "Cole. Ugh, I had to drive all the way here-- well, I know we all did, but, just not used to city roads."

"Cole," Peter is the first to approach, it's strange being the one doing most of the leading. Especially among this bunch. "Hey, nice to meet you. Peter."

He goes around the room and introduces everyone. Cole repeats each name anxiously. A sole squeaks through the door and a throat clears. A burly man with a baseball cap and scuffy bear wears a canvas jacket in grey camo.

"Sy," he intones as he enters. "Oh, are those brownies?"

"Right, that's everyone," Jake declares. "So, uh... what now?"

[olderthannetfic]

https://www.tumblr.com/olderthannetfic/774284479461261312/im-the-anon-who-defended-terfs-preferences-i-am?source=share

I swear, do people suddenly forgot why men who always put "No fatty" on their dating app profile seen like an asshole even if being fat still does not fill today's beauty standard? Like, I swear there is a double standard how "stating their genital preference is okay, they are just women who want to be safe!" Or "being anti bisexual men is fine, women just want to be safe from std! You guys are all rapist! I am just stating a big fact and making a movement against it, then lobby about it!" But we know when men have "No femme, no blacks," on their tinder profile, they will be seen as an asshole.

If anon want to normalize "talking about types in public without getting scrutinize", that is understandable. But no one ever started this conversation in good faith. It always "on the defense of bigoted group"

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[thebreakfastgenie]

@17dvds

Hot pizza IS better than cold pizza. Unless the pizza is already bad I don't eat it cold and even then it's still better hot usually. I think people are crazy for eating cold pizza. We invented microwave ovens. Yes it's better fresh than microwaved but it's better microwaved than cold. Reheated pizza from the night before is a great breakfast tho.

I actually could get in serious hot water talking about religion lol. I will kind of go halfway on this on and defend reddit atheists. I think the problem with reddit atheists was never the atheism, it was that they were mostly white men. Their actual attitude toward religion is fine and I generally agree with it. I think the left writ large turning on the reddit atheists was really bad, or to use tumblr speak, actively harmful. I think reddit atheists being assholes was a cover for the real reasons they became a popular target.

First, they were kind of cringe, and that will always get you. It wasn't just reddit atheists, really, a lot of the atheist/free thought blogosphere in the early 2000s participated. I didn't blink at "sky daddy" in 2007 but now it makes me cringe. I think it was an earlier iteration of how we feel looking at tumblr posts from the 2010s now. Posting styles evolve over time and we tend not to notice until we look back and cringe, but sometimes they linger within certain subcultures. I think atheists were posting in a 2000s blog comments section style on tumblr in the 2010s and it made people cringe, so they attacked them.

The other reason is that saying "actually, atheists kind of suck" was a fresh take on the left in the early 2010s. Because Evangelical Christianity played such a huge role in American culture in the 2000s, atheists were the cool rebels. Eventually that wore off and people realized they could stand out by being more negative about atheists. Liberals were unlikely to object to that because we have such a complex about equal opportunity criticism. It's not a bad value to have, but sometimes we're so neurotic about it we don't realize a particular criticism is unfair. This unsurprisingly led to a more negative opinion of atheists overall.

The constant policing of atheist pushiness gradually evolved into a stigma against openly talking about atheism at all. Valid criticisms were quickly over adopted, just as they were in many areas on tumblr at the time. My pet peeve is when people complain about people saying "religion" when they mean "Christianity" any time someone mentions religion. It's a real problem, especially in majority Christian countries, but when I say religion I mean religion. I am critical of organized religion as a concept. Also, while I agree it's worthwhile to unlearn Christian-centrism, it's not surprising that many people's definition of religion centers the world's largest religion, especially when it's the dominant religion in their country.

Becoming hostile to atheism was bad. It was just bad! Atheists are a minority which for some reason people really hate to acknowledge. When Barack Obama listed different religious groups in his first inaugural address he referred to us as nonbelievers. Conservative atheists exist, of course, but atheists as a demographic tend to be left-leaning and there is a long history of leftist atheism. It's frankly bizarre that Marx is so popular on this website and atheism isn't. Religious leftism is cool now, except a lot of the time in practice that's just someone saying "this religion is totes cool and progressive guys!!!" I am thoughtful in my atheism and I wish that was recognized, but at the same time, atheists don't share a theology organization the way religions do, so we are exempt from certain types of criticism, because there is simply nothing there, yet it feels like the prevailing attitude is we must treat atheism exactly like a religion, even though it's impossible.

Reddit atheists being rude are just people being rude. It's not comparable to Christian proselytizing and we should never have allowed those things to be equated. Atheists are not the dominant religious group anywhere in the English-speaking world (and this was happening on the anglo Internet). They do not hold the power that Christians do. Interpersonal meanness is not systemic oppression. These things being conflated is a recurring problem and a big part of what's wrong with the social justice scene on tumblr. This wasn't the first time it happened but it was an early prominent example that went largely unchallenged.

I also find tumblr is fairly insensitive about insisting that atheists are really Christians. All of those "did you really unlearn the Christian thought patterns you were raised with?" posts, as well as the way "culturally Christian" is sometimes deployed. Both of these are valid points, but it often gets way too personal. There's also an assumption that all atheists are Americans who are former Christians. I've had people assume that about me. I was never Christian. My mom and maternal grandparents are all atheists. My dad has been an atheist since he was old enough to form an opinion and refused to go to church at age ten. It's frustrating because atheists are often accused of being narrow-minded, but ironically people are making narrow-minded assumptions about us.

It's hard not to see a connection between tumblr becoming pro-religion (not just pro-religious tolerance/acceptance) and the backlash against feminism and rise of socially conservative and reactionary ideas. I worry about the popularity of Catholic imagery and generally warm, memey attitude toward Catholicism when an active sincere tradcath community exists on this site. I know they're mostly contained to their own conclave (pun intended) but there is always some contact, especially if you're actively seeking Catholic content. There's also a thriving tradcath community on twitter and tradcaths are increasingly central to the far right, see JD Vance.

Because I'm a neurotic liberal, I'm going to say what should be obvious: I am not saying all religion is bad. I am saying we need to be able to criticize religion. I am saying religion is one pipeline the right can exploit. I think the demonization of atheists is linked to that.

Also ironically, though perhaps unsurprisingly, when atheist began to get a bad rap On Here, the face of atheism became a fedora-wearing, neckbeard-sporting, reddit-using MRA. Nearly every other aspect of that image has gotten thoroughly rehabilitated. Tumblr is full of soft MRAs; women can't make vent posts without people crawling out of the woodwork to write paragraphs about how saying "men bad" is Actively Harmful. The neckbeard stereotype periodically gets criticized for being fundamentally rooted in body-shaming, a criticism I do think is valid (though it's hard to get worked up about it when people twist themselves into knots to justify calling conservative women ugly). The early manosphere had a lot of crossover with online atheist communities, too. This was actually a topic of intracommunity strife within the atheist community in the 2000s. Prominent atheists like P.Z. Myers of Pharyngula supported women in the atheist community who were speaking out about misogyny. I don't think the incel community is particular pro-religion now, but atheism is a much less significant part of it. I think atheism was marred by association with misogynistic men and now, ironically, no one cares about misogyny anymore.

I fell into some of this myself, as I suspect a lot of atheist around my age did, because at the same time all this was happening I was growing up and reflecting on some of my more obnoxious atheist behaviors. Now in my late twenties I can say kid me was more right than wrong and I was obnoxious because I was fourteen. Atheism is great, I still feel warmly toward the atheist blogs from the 2000s. Long live the reddit atheist. Better her (she transitioned) than the twitter Catholic.

I need to be controversial about something other than politics. Any suggestions?

[langernameohnebedeutung]

gonna say, something or someone being misogynistic is on its own a good enough reason not to like it or not to spend time with that person. It's not just that misogyny is so normalised that not watching a show or not spending with someone just because of misogyny is treated as not enough of a reason - it's also that as a woman, you are under constant scrutiny and constantly thrown tests to show that you are 'not one of the difficult ones', that you can 'take a joke'.

But 'your friend keeps saying degrading things about women' is a good enough reason not to hang out with that person or not to go to a gathering. 'i read the last book by his author and it was deeply misogynistic' is a good enough reason why you don't want to read things by that author anymore. 'This comedian specifically makes a lot of mean-spirited jokes about women' reason enogh not to watch that or see that show, even if your friends want to go. 'This content creator keeps going on weird tangents about women' reason enough not to watch their stuff or support them.

and it is especially a very good reason not to date someone.

[torahtot]

you can always tell when someone doesn't have maga men in their life and god it makes me angry.. "if you're nice and compassionate you can be the one woman that makes them realize women aren't mean!" my mom bent over backwards for my dad for 25 fucking years he has plenty of other women kissing his ass and it never changed anything. do you really think that before being radicalized they never knew a single kind woman? they were never friends with a nice girl? alt-right men's problem with women isn't just that they've experienced too many mean women and they need to be shown that women can be nice, it's that they think women are inferior and don't deserve rights and don't understand anything so you can do what you want with them. and it takes a lot more than being nice to show someone that you aren't inferior. this isn't a case of being nice even when it's hard for the sake of deradicalization, it's about spending every fucking interaction with someone trying to get them to see you as a human being with value and a functioning intellect while they just laugh and show you that's never going to happen.

i cannot stress this enough: random women are not just going out and Being Mean to men. ur average guy interacts with plenty of women throughout his life- close women amongst their friends and family, casual interactions etc. most people don't start out being shunned by women, they start out being treated as NORMAL. & when they show their disrespect in normal society, it isn't tolerated, but when they go to alt-right spaces (which they're pushed towards online) they're told they're allowed to be as horrible as they want with no consequences because they're entitled to everything. it isn't "women aren't welcoming and the alt-right is so friendly so i'll become alt-right," it's "women don't let me disrespect them and the alt-right tells me fuck them, do whatever you want, you're entitled to it all" and why would you choose the group where you have to be a normal accountable person when there's a group that will reward you for being a shithead who gives no fucks?

the alt-right can afford to be more friendly and welcoming because they can allow bigotry. this can't work the same way for progressive spaces because we can be as kind & welcoming as possible but at the end of the day we have lines where we have to say "this behavior/speech isn't allowed in this space," and for certain people, that just can't win against a space where you can be as nasty as you want. these posts always end with a disclaimer saying "of course being kind doesnt mean you need to tolerate their bigotries" but what they don't realize and what drives me crazy is that women not tolerating bigotry IS the "women are mean" that radicalized them in the first place. they perceive you pushing back on any bigotry or bullshit as you being a meanie and treating them like they're ontologically evil. the 'kindness' they need to be deradicalized is you letting them walk all over you.

idk what the answer is to deradicalizing them and im sure relationships are part of it but you can be as kind as you want and all it will do is destroy you ime. i cant stand to see people (who have never even successfully deradicalized any man by being nice btw they always speak in hypotheticals and not from experience) double down on telling women to do things that will see no results and only hurt them, especially when any woman who has tried can tell you exactly how it went

[eaatmyheaart]

a guy called me a bitch today and i genuinely have not been able to cope 🌹

[corviddusk]

I think it's fair to have some critiques of me given I failed to address some important aspects in this post by itself.

First off yesterday within this I did mean allowed as opposed to being forced. Being forced is 100% in all cases always undoubtedly bad. This post was referring to social spaces meant for women specifically. Things like girls groups, girls nights, lesbian events, etc. are for women specifically. This should be just women, those who allow trans men within women's spaces (not medical spaces but social gatherings) inherently do not see trans men as men because they are including them in the term "women". Thus all spaces including trans men in their "women's spaces" (social spaces not medical spaces) are inherently misgendering you. They do not see you as men, why would you want to be friends with them? It's the same as if I were to be invited to men's groups, I do not want to be. I would be offended if someone invited me to a guys night out because I am not a man.

How is it condescending to point out the only people who will see you as women or "honorary women" are transphobes? This is genuinely harmful rhetoric that leads into the oppression of trans men. You know those spaces that allow in less transitioned men out of the faulty bigoted belief they can groom and brutalize them into women again and forcibly detransition them are also the same spaces that kick them out when they finally pass or go "too far" with transition, correct? These are spaces that actively hate you, and trying to convince younger guys especially that they should be going to these spaces and should seek them out is encouraging them to get brutalized. This is theory of that is being peddled as safe for trans CHILDREN. I don't want to see more transmascs brutalized and torn apart by vindictive cis women.

Also let's be honest most women's spaces that allow trans women would be progressive enough to deny trans men as they would not see them as women. What fantasy land accepts trans men as "women" and also trans women as women?

Maybe just maybe girls want to be surrounded with other girls. Maybe some days I don't want to interact with men, maybe because they're inherently an oppressor class I want to be allowed to be away from them? You ever thought of that? No I don't think we should allow men in women's spaces. We should allow MORE WOMEN into women's spaces that's the actual reason. And no predation isn't stored in the masculinity but the power to systemically oppress me sure is.

And uh duh obviously I like girls only spaces. It's a way to reclaim my lost childhood. I want to have girls nights, I want to hang out with a bunch of women and relate to things that just don't translate as well with guys. I don't see how refusing to misgender people and pretend trans men are just women is wrong.

I'm sorry you both have such bad internalized transphobia you believe you should be viewed as women. You are not. You're allowed to be a man that's good and you should be able to be in men's spaces all you want.

Honestly there's just something so insidious about the people who claim trans men* should be allowed in women's spaces. It's incredibly concerning how much traction this rhetoric is gaining as it is truly TERF lite rhetoric.

What kind of women's spaces would allow in transgender men? I can think of a few descriptors I've seen around. "Women and femmes" might. "But they're trans men not femmes!" I hear you cry, and you are right. But the TERFs who run these operations don't think so. They're often places that are open to vulnerable trans men who they will consistently try to force to detransition. These are locals of social forced conversion, an attempt to show that if they ever dare to go too far they will be exiled for transgressing the gendered binary.

Any women's group that accepts transgender men will never actually see them as men. And that's the point isn't it? This rhetoric comes from those who believe trans men are "female men" and are "actually women" they seek to deny him his masculinity not because of a hatred of men and masculinity but of a hatred for those who actually go against the patriarchal standards of bioessentialist ideals.

Stop trying to get vulnerable trans boys and men to engage with groups that will be bigoted towards them. This isn't helping transmascs!

*in this case I'm speaking about trans men who do not identify as women in any capacity. Not multigender men, not demi girls who may also be trans men- just the big standard trans guy

[bunnyboy-juice]

spent the first hour and change at work deleting some old files and am having a grand ol time laughing at myself for not realizing i was a lesbian sooner

[aloeverawrites]

Men's liberationists, do not, I repeat, do not, let dudes get into Men's Rights. That is not a pro men group. That's a anti-feminist reactionary ideology that's been around since 1900 and more recently the 70s and it broke away from our group, men's lib.

They hate us and they're part of the alt-right pipeline/mansophere.

We need to be warning people away from them like normal feminists do with terfs/radfems, put up big red signs "Toxic waste: stay away"

[e77y]

Just had the CRAZIEST missed connections moment? This guy I befriended for like an hour at a choir event just sent a message to my poetry club gc (I haven’t seen him at any club meetings) asking about collaborating with a lyricist (which we had talked about), so I texted him to see if it was the same guy and IT WAS??? And he was like “dude I’ve been searching for you” 😭😭 SO WILD

[coloredcompulsion]

“Why did kicking your knees not work? It works on all giants”

Argenti: My armour was given idrila’s blessing

Boothill: I’m literally made of fuckin forkin metal

[exopelagic]

i said i wouldn’t do it this time but it’s 3am and mods asleep. boy

[literaturess]

Love when other women shun me despite the fact I'm trying my best to socialize with them. Being a 'masculine' lesbian is hell

[cloud-based-and-rainpilled]

An old lady got stabbed on the train in my city and now I’m spiralling lmaoooo

[thylacine001]

thinking abt how earlier today i started playing lonesome road and got to the section w all the deathclaws and got cornered in an area whilst on vc and kept wailing and crying irl and begging for help bc it Kept Killing me😭😭😭😭

for reference i was stuck inside a destroyed trailer thing and it was glitched and unable to enter until fucking ed-e distracted it and made it come down from where it was. it then imediately ran inside and tried to kill me. there was also a second one i didn’t know about until it fucking Appeared.

i am enjoying lonesome road. sort of.

[jeennieluv]

잘.자요.굿밤. they way it just makes me so happy like genuinely. the whole album is >> it's been my favourite since year 7. i was literally like stressing about it being 3am but now i am like fine with it like who needs stress when i have nflying.