#thersites

[ilions-end]

really feeling the description of "Thersites of the endless speech [...] who knew within his head many words, but disorderly". same.

[nnay-naee]

"Ugh classics are so boring" Classics:

Iliad, book II, vv. 257-264

[katerinaaqu]

Shoutout to Diomedes fans with a small reminder that Diomedes stood his ground against Achilles on full rage mode when he saw him beating Thersites to death (and he was the only one who dared to)

[scarlet-sam-chaos]

OKAY ODYSSEUS CALM DOWN-

HE CALLED HIMSELF 'THE FATHER OF TELEMACHUS' BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE I CANNOT-

[incorrecthomer]

Odysseus: [to the Achaeans, who are gathered around a coffee maker] So... who broke it? [Nobody says a word] I'm not mad. I just want to know. Antilochus: I did. I broke- Odysseus: No, no you didn't. Agamemnon? Agamemnon: Don't look at me. Look at Achilles. Achilles: What? I didn't break it. Agamemnon: Huh. That's weird. How'd you even know it was broken? Achilles: Because it's sitting right in front of us and it's broken. Agamemnon: [leans in on him] Suspicious. Nestor: If it matters - probably not - but Diomedes was the last one to use it. Diomedes: Liar! I don't even drink that crap! Nestor: Oh, really? Then what were you doing by the coffee cart earlier? Diomedes: I use the wooden stirrers to push back my cuticles; everyone knows that, Nestor! Antilochus: Ok, ok! Let’s not fight! I broke it, let me pay for it, Ody! Odysseus: No! Who broke it??! Achilles: [looks at Thersites, then at Odysseus] Odysseus... Thersites is been awfully quiet. Thersites: REALLY?? Achilles: Yeah! Really. Thersites: Oh, my gods!  [everyone starts arguing at one another except Odysseus] Odysseus: [to the camera] I broke it. It burned my hand, so I punched it. I predict ten minutes from now they'll be at each other's throats with war paint on their faces and a pig head on a stick. Odysseus: [turns to look at the Achaeans as they continue to argue, then looks back] Good. It was getting a little chummy around here.

[you-know-i-get-itt]

please this is so funny like he really said “i know what you are”

[blue-lotus333]

Y’all are sleeping on the Odysseus-Thersites beef

[spineless-lobster]

Reading troilus and cressida and I got to the infamous part where thersites calls pat achilles’ bitch and now that I’ve seen it with my own eyes I will never stop thinking about it <333

[deadbaguette]

Ik it is pretty fucked up of Achilles to kill Thersites but at the same time just a little funny because honestly man, what were you thinking when mocking/berating him for crying over a beautiful woman’s death😭

Me personally, I would also break down into tears if I discovered I slew a gorgeous woman

[erinoma9]

Moments from the Age of Bronze - The Story of the Trojan War Comics - #9 & #10

#9

End of Vol 1. A Thousand Ships

#10

Vol 2. Sacrifice

[amostcuriousmythicist]

When Oineus neglected Artemis in regard to sacrifices, the goddess got angry and sent a wild boar against the city. An army of the finest men of Greece came to fight it since it was ravaging the land, as Homer himself says in book 9 [lines 533–42]. Among these was Thersites, who in cowardice abandoned the post where he was stationed and ran off to some high spot, hunting for safety. Meleager reproached him for this and chased him until he fell from a ledge and became disfigured as Homer presents him. Euphorion tells this story.

D Schollia to the Iliad. 2.212

[kneeslappingmosquitoes]

#justice for thersites

that bitch just wanted to eat the rich and have some recognition he spoke the TRUTH FUCK AGAMEMNON

[katerinaaqu]

Do you have mythology information about Penthesilea?

Of course. Penthesilia named daughter of God Ares (her mother's name mentioned in Apollodorous and Hyginus as Otrere) is mentioned in various texts. Arguably one of the early foreshadowing of her and the Amazon warriors arriving at Troy is mentioned in the Iliad when Nestor speaks about the Amazons he encountered in the past.

Penthesilia was one of the characters to play a central role to one of the lost poems of the Epic Cycle, the Aithiopis. In it we see the arrival of the allies of Troy among others Penthesilia. From the fragments we have from Aithiopis by Arctinus of Miletos we see a fragment of her parentage and her contribution to the war as well as the fact that she comes right after the burial of Hector potentially after the mourning period is finished. We do hear how she dies by the hand of Achilles and thus also leading to the conflict between Achilles and Thersites who mocks Achilles for his love at first sight with the dead body of Penthesilia for only after she dies he sees her face clearly without a helmet. That led to the fury of the hero who killed Thersites and then Achilles needed to go to Lesbos and offer a sacrifice to Apollo while also being purified by Odysseus for the murder.

Penthesilia's death is more thoroughly described in future works though such as the Epic poem by Quintus Smyrnaeus Posthpmerica in which we see her death graphically depicted as Achilles impaled her and her horse together with his spear. After his mourning and murder of Thersites he is stopped by Diomedes so that he will return the body for burial. The scholiast Tzetzes if I remember correctly presents a different ending to this since he places Diomedes being furious at how Achilles murdered one of their own over a Thracian princess and he grabbed Penthesilia by the leg and threw her in the river.

Penthesilea is mentioned in other pieces of literature and mythography such as (pseudo-) Apollodorous or Hyginus, Lycophron, Diodorus Siculus, Pausanias, Ovid and Virgil. She is also mentioned in Pliny the Elder's writing as well as to Seneca.

[scarlet-sam-chaos]

pretty privilege existed even back then huh?

[incorrecthomer]

Patroclus: why is Thersites crying, and why is Odysseus smiling like that Diomedes: Thersites said that the only fruit that can make your cry are onions Patroclus:…and? Diomedes: Odysseus threw a watermelon at him

[generouskittentidalwave]

Can we talk about Odysseus's "these hands are rated E for everyone" unspoken rule? When it all really came down to it, he didn't really care all that much about other people's gender or status in the sense that if you pissed him off, regardless of who you are, he would beat the shit out of you.

And you could go about that and say he respected everyone equally as well, which isn't wrong as if I remember correctly the way he ran Ithaca is that regardless of status you never disrespect a guest and you never disrespect your host. The rules were basically just don't be an ass, and Odysseus gets very pissed off when that rule is broken.

But I am not refering to that, I mean it in the sense that he brutally beat the shit out of everyone equally if they pissed him off.

Palamedes? He framed him and got him stoned to death. Thersites? Beat the shit out of him as a form of public humiliation and punishment. Both on completely different status levels, both got fucked over by him for pissing him off.

The suitors? Odysseus killed all of them except two in a very brutal fashion, then proceeded to hunt down and try to kill their fathers. The maids that helped the suitors? He chose to hang them to death for their actions instead of brutally killing them the way he did with the suitors. They both pissed him off so he killed them both.

Not saying the stuff he did was a good way of going about the situation, regardless if they were being assholes or not, but I just find it so fucking funny that he doesn't care who a person is, if they upset him they are already writing up their own tombstone.