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i am currently on book 3 but this is my contribution
#the rosewood chronicles#trwch#undercover princess#ok listen this series has overtaken me in the past couple of days#i have read book 1 in one (1) day#and immediately listened to the audiobook for book 2 on the second day#and now i'm reading book 3#what is happening i think this might literslly be a new special interest#help??#i went into it not expecting much. i got it from a library because my friend mentioned it once#and i expected it to be like most of the books i read at 10/11#kinda like die duftapotheke.#and at the start it really was like all the rpgs i wrote at that age#the stereotypical character archetypes!#(smart girl with glasses and a lot of books that has an encyclopedic vocabulary.#insecure main character that believes in the good in people. the “mean girl” with great fashion sense.)#ellie was like so many characters my best friend used to write#it was even set at an academy!!#so much nostalgia#but then!! i was absolutely HIT OVER THE HEAD#with how gay it was???#i was absolutely NOT expecting it but it was so gay.#wtf#i put in SO MANY sticky notes and annotations.#this is a library book. i have to take them all out again#fucking insane my brain is posessed#ANYWAY.#this is my contribution#lottie has two hands!!#mine
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a couple fairly spoiler-free notes, in no particular order, on neve gallus in her short story, the streets of minrathous, in tevinter nights
the story is by brianne battye, who wrote cullen for dai. we don’t have confirmation yet on who wrote neve for veilguard, but battye isn’t spoken for. lucanis’ writer didn’t write his tevinter nights story, but emmrich’s writer did write the one emmrich appears in. could go either way
it’s written in first-person, and there’s a lot of neve’s apparent sharp, no-nonsense personality in the blunt, fast-paced writing style. she’s got a fair few sarcastic retorts in the classic way of a private eye, but she’s also capable of holding them back when the situation calls for it. she’s a very archetypical detective in a lot of ways, working on her own, answering to no-one, and relying on street contacts for information
neve’s narration briefly refers to the herald as “the “glorious” inquisitor”, with those quotation marks on glorious. while she’s clearly opposed to the venatori and all they stand for, she might not exactly see the inquisition and our previous hero with rose-tinted glasses
she can summon mist for stealth purposes. she can’t truly stop serious bleeding from a deadly injury, but she can numb pain from it and later manages a smaller one of her own: “i’m not a healer, but i can patch up a wound well enough. i slowed the blood flow, tore off the sleeve of my blouse, and wrapped the wound as best i could.” she can hold people in place with air or pin them with ice. she can create ice crystals in the air and throw them. she can slow the air around someone as they move to throw off their momentum. she can blast someone off their feet with a gust of wind. she can use a frost slick to topple people. she’s not bad in a straight up fistfight
a rich man is not the usual crowd she takes jobs from, and she lives in a very different part of town to his manor, instead renting a room from a “third-rate bookseller”. at a house belonging to an ancient mage lineage, she says, “my family has more templars than mages. i’m sure that says a lot about me. the point is, i’m not from an old family and i felt as at home in [a wealthy mage’s house] as jahvis looked.”
neve finds tevinter’s templars, who in the story mostly fulfil the role of a police force, a “usual annoyance” in her life. she used to take jobs assisting them, but avoids it now she can get other work on her own, even though the templars pay better. she says that this is not because they have too many rules for her, though she does repeatedly express irritation at those, but because there are some templars who really do want to “try”, yet “too many times out of ten, it’s the wrong coin in the right hands that makes [them] stop”
she wants to go home and sleep for basically the entire story, but she repeatedly ignores it because far more than that, she wants to finish anything she starts and find closure to a mystery, even if she’s no longer being employed by anyone and she’s being actively told to keep out of it from now on. she goes out of her way for no reward to bring that closure, as much as she can find, to the person who is no longer employing her
fried fish from a specific market stall—“salty, piping hot, and perfect as always”—is a very regular favourite of hers, with the gruff stall owner convinced she’d starve otherwise. she seems somewhat more distressed by losing her fish dinner than when she witnessed a murder
her prosthetic leg is especially survivable because it’s dwarven crafted
#neve gallus#dav#i wonder if we’ll see any of the templars from the story in veilguard#i love how stereotypical detective she is jgshsjsks its a fun archetype to give to a female character#also fascinated that shes clearly not wealthy but still dresses Like That#ive mentioned some of these things before but i thought i might as well include them
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i'm petty and love complaining. here's a quiz about what sexuality fandom would assign you because i think there's a fair bit of stereotyping going on!!
sorry. people who know me. that i'm like this instead of doing schoolwork
#fandom discourse#fandom negative#i love headcanonning all characters as queer!!! that's not my problem!!! my problem is when it gets stereotypical#and when these headcanons flatten characters into 2d concepts and archetypes they were written to exist beyond
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shadow weaver: i care about the safety of everyone in etheria and i’m actively trying to help protect everyone
fans: omg shadow weaver evil!! she’s just selfish and wants to drive catra and adora apart!
catra: i’m going to abandon adora on her deathbed just because she didn’t choose ME over the safety of the entire world. i only care about adora if she prioritizes me over literally everything else.
fans: poor catra, she’s so right! she just wants adora to be happy!
#this is about s5 btw#stans will preach about media literacy and how complex characters shouldn’t be reduced to a 2d archetype#and then paint shadow weaver as the stereotypical selfish villain who is up to no good#spop critical#spop salt#spop#spop discourse#spop criticism#she ra#anti spop#anti catradora#anti c//a#anticatradora#antic//a#anti catra
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do you have any particular thoughts regarding marcille being a half-elf? its interesting to me considering the fact that she seems self-conscious about being a half-elf, but denies it when its brought up
i remember marcille looking visibly uncomfortable over laios simply asking her how old she is, which i think the only reason she might feel nervous about this is because it might reveal her as a half-elf to him.
she's never corrected anybody whose called her an elf either.
never mind the circumstances of the reveal, in which thistle goes on about how half-elves are inferior and accusing her of wanting to become full blooded elf, she seemed particularly upset like he struck a nerve-
i wish the half-elf thing was built upon more. also, underrated marcille line:
okay so i revisited this sequence just to make sure I could back myself up and it's just... man. there's a lot going on.
the first reaction we get from Marcille is this huge panel that takes up half of the page
she is viscerally affected. flushing to the tips of her ears with the intensity of it. and we see it again, a few pages later
so it might seem like she's embarrassed about it and lying to herself, but... I really think it's just that Thistle is accidentally hitting sore spots. If you really look at what he says to get these reactions
"you'll live out your entire life [...] and die that way too"
"a hundred years from now, nobody will be there"
Hear me out. I think, if he stuck to harping on about her inferiority without bringing up how terrifyingly long-lived she is, she wouldn't have been as bothered. But right now, Thistle is accidentally hitting all the marks on Marcille's deepest fears-- and this is after the Winged Lion promised her that her dreams could come true in an extremely vulnerable moment, so it also hits her slightly guilty conscience as well.
I do truly believe that Marcille isn't bothered about being a half-elf the way that people assume she'd be bothered by it. To her, the biggest problem with being a half-elf is that it's isolating.
On one hand, it's not hard to imagine why she'd distance herself from elves in the west. A lot of them can clock her as a half-elf on sight, unlike other races, and therefore she's always branded with this weird stigma of being Othered -- I would even say that she considers herself lucky for being born outside of elven culture instead of having to grow up in it. I mean, just... look at the way elves talk about her.
Skipping past the uncomfortable implication of what 'not tolerating the existence' of half-elves would actually entail, this is incredibly fucking annoying. You can see why she wouldn't want to be around elves much. You see a lot of Marcille reacting badly here, but honestly, almost all of it can be attributed to her freaking out that her bluff completely failed. She's honestly more paying attention to Izutsumi's footsteps and trying to coordinate an opportunity to escape.
And in the end, you see her built-up frustration at being asked if she wants to be a full-blooded elf like 2-3 times in a row.
Yeah, yeah, "the lady doth protest too much," and all. But we know Marcille. We know that she's a lot more embarrassed and horrendously unconvincing when she's being prodded about something she's actually self-conscious about.
Moving onto the flipside of things, it might seem weird that she "pretends" to be a full elf around other races, but it's not really that strange if you think about it. Again, people are weird about her being infertile or whatever, and a lots of them don't even know much about what sets half-elves apart from everyone else. I mean, look at how uncomfortable Laios is just asking her about it
and look at how exasperated and resigned she looks
And like... she's right. Where would that come up in normal conversation? Why would she go out of her way to tell them? She's functionally a normal elf to other races anyway -- got the ears, the abnormally long "childhood", and the huge mana capacity. Unless it's directly relevant or important for people to know, I don't think it's all that strange or indicative of insecurity that she prefers not to bother with it.
(This combined with her sense of being an "outsider" to elf culture also explains why she thinks elf superiority is embarrassing. She sees the way elves treat short-lived races from the "outsider" perspective nonetheless, and thinks it's obnoxious; especially more so because she usually has to play the elf around short-lived races and deal with the reputation of arrogance that elves have built up.)
The sad thing is, this all means that... she doesn't actually fit in anywhere. She doesn't like going out West much because of how elves treat her. But she's also an outsider in the continents she was born in, treated like this exotic long-lived alien choosing to live among short-lived races for some reason. She is always an outsider, the Other, no matter where she goes. Add in the fact that she'll live longer than literally anyone she knows, and it's honestly kind of heartbreaking.
And I think that's the crux of it. Marcille really doesn't act like she's at all self-conscious about being a half-elf because of any feelings of inferiority or being half-made or whatever. She considers herself a perfectly legitimate being and might even, in some ways, consider herself superior to normal elves because she's not blind with elf supremacy or whatever. (And whatever "elven biases" she displays, all of them are born more out of the fact that she's kind of bad at conceptualizing how other races age and mature compared to herself, not that she actually considers herself better or more mature simply for being an elf.)
I think that whatever self-consciousness Marcille has about being a half-elf is, instead, related to terror and loneliness. The reminder that it ensures she'll never truly belong anywhere for the rest of her very long life. The reminder that, in truth, even she's not actually sure how old she is by other races' standards (hence the discomfort when asked how old she is). She doesn't want to not be a half elf, or be a full elf or full tall-man-- in her ideal world, she's still a half-elf. She just gets to live out her life at the same pace with the people she loves and doesn't have to say goodbye again and again and again until she dies.
and one last very important panel, right after Mithrun tells her that all her desires would be devoured
In her ideal world, she's still a half-elf and reality magically starts marching at her pace. But failing that, the second best thing is that she's still a half-elf-- but one who is able to accept reality and let go of her fear.
(But the rest of the story pans out the way it does because, to Marcille, taking reality apart and reshaping it was less scary than simply and fully reconciling with it.)
#asks#dungeon meshi manga spoilers#marcille donato#manga panel analysis#this is probably riddled with typos sorry#readmore cut bc it got long lmao#i ended up babbling about it bc it's such an important character detail to me#bc like... wow. she's so normal about it. she's literally just chilling.#the only thing that really bothers her is the material reality of it and how people treat her#the stereotypes the stigma etc. etc.#otherwise it just..#literally doesn't factor into her criteria for self-worth at all#the basic truth is that marcille likes herself on a fundamental level#she's not plagued by a deep and festering self-loathing the way a lot of characters in her archetype are#she likes herself and is proud of her successes and accomplishments#its just that shes terrified of failure and can have *episodes* of self-loathing when she fucks up#but who doesn't yknow#i know its a very slight nuance that makes very little difference in how her 'overachiever' problems manifest but its there#the sword of abandonment issues that hangs over her head has nothing to do with her self-worth or self-esteem or meeting her own standards#it has to do with the fear of not living up to *other* people's expectations and not being useful enough to be worth keeping around#she's good enough for herself but she's always so so so scared that she's not good enough for other people#i wont say much about what ryoko kui is saying using this as an allegory for real world racial biases but#dungeon meshi's treatment of marcille's relationship with her being half-elf is so incredibly important to me because it gets it so right.#a trauma about inferiority or being a half-being isn't inherent to the experience of being 'of two worlds' at all#that's something that's unfairly drilled into people by their environment#the *inherent* anguish is the loneliness. the constant longing. the fact that you are always homesick no matter where you are#always just a little bit of an outsider and never fully at home#and dungeon meshi gets that.#edit: cleaned it up a little
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attention all tmp fans: please know that being goth is just a music subculture and not indicative of mental health or personality. it is odd to say that because gerry is happy he is not goth; conflating taste and mental health is... strange, to say the least?
he's more bubbly now because he's not constantly in horrifying situations. he's always been incredibly kind and caring under the layer of Grouch developed from being used as a tool by every single person in his life for 26 years until and even AFTER he died.
just because he never developed the layer of grouch does not mean he doesn't still listen to mastodon.
sometimes the soundtrack for baking a loaf of bread is death metal and i think that's beautiful.
#'bubbly goth' is literally like a funny archetype of character because it goes against the stereotype and THATS WHAT GERRY IS!#gost#gerry keay#tmp#gerry delano#the magnus protocol#blasting it in every tag because like dude what#correlating fashion and music taste to ??morality and mental health is WEIRD to me
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As always, (no pressure) reblog for more votes, etc. <3
#fiction#tropes#blorbo#fandom#poll#tried to choose ones that are just specific and over-used enough to be cliche#and yet still vague enough to be a valid archetype#also biased towards ones that are popular on tumblr despite cliche-ness cringe or problematic/stereotypical aspects#possibly due to the room for nuance still existent in these tropes#or possibly due to a high number of tumblr users relating to these characters#or perhaps because some popular early blorbos fell under these umbrellas#either way#I'm really curious for how this will turn out!#apparently I'm in a poll mood today
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You know when your friend shows you her favourite streamer and it's the most average looking white guy you've ever seen in your life and you're like "why are you obsessed with this man, he's Literally Just Some Guy?"
So, I've acquired Laios Dungeon Meshi and I get it now
#dungeon meshi#he's such a dork look at him go#I love all the characters I am very happy that it is not just a good show bc of the food and animation and stuff#but that even the characters are so unique & have such strong personalities#and that it's like All of them and not just the guys or not just the most stereotypical archetypes#THEY'RE GOOD THEY'RE VERY GOOD#issa good show#am I up past midnight cause I just wanna watch another episode? yes.. do I regret? absolutely not
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now why did dazai say here he wanted to ask chuuya sth 🧐🧐...? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION SUPPOSED TO BE?! like I know it'd be probably another joke but what would he say hadn't he made that joke...
#also yk when you're scared of ur feelings / don't want the other person to know sth so you start saying sth and then stop mid sentence?#not bc u didn't realize what u were saying but bc there was some hope maybe you'd hear what you wanted to hear#or just that you wanted to live in the fake reality for a moment and imagine yourself asking that not necessarily wanting an answer#yeah that's what happened here 😍#no but tbh i think sth similar happened in ch 101#but actually not similar ahhhh I'll make a post abt that#anyways WHAT WAS THE QUESTION SUPPOSED TO BE DAZAI I NEED TO KNOW 😭#and don't tell me it would've been a joke i listened to one too many skk songs today#soukoku#bsd#okay actually im not finished bc this is another time where Dazai purposefully acts like a person / character in love with the other#(character bc how he does that is stereotypical. like an archetype from a movie) (the Book thoughts in my head rn)#so yeah like you don't say such a think to a random person or a colleague like THE BONDDDD god#and the fact chuuya really gets scared....#remember in 15 when they first met and Dazai was like 'will you let me go... if I talk?' and then he said chuuya ought to drink more milk😐#imagine if adult!Dazai's question was meant to be 'have u been drinking milk?' with that blank annoying expression of his#bungou stray dogs
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love planning out an entire video game that will take me years of learning to get started on making.
#well! you start somewhere‚ i suppose.#it's a meta game that takes inspiration from bad end theater‚ deltarune‚ there is no game and oneshot ^^#we have stereotypical characters carrying out a stereotypical rpg when - oh no! the villainess stepped out of the generic conclusion by/#/almost winning. that's not right! so the program has glitched.#one existential crisis later‚ the heroine‚ sidekick and villainess team up to go on an adventure within the players computer.#and what do you know‚ going on a journey with your destined enemy sure does wonders for self-reflection!#that's the basic idea‚ at least. i've written out the basic plot and am currently working on the characters.#simply‚ they will in the first part be perfectly stereotypical and generic characters that fit their archetypes.#when they begin to journey together instead of against each other‚ they will realise many things and grow as characters‚ figuring out/#/things about themselves they were previously blind to‚ fixing their flaws and changing for the better.#how lovely. how lovely. i cannot wait to make this one day in the future#im also quite fond of the characters in their grown states when they gain a personality beyond their destined archetype#and also. heroine and villainess discover lesbianism and sidekick discovers aromanticism. peace and love on planet earth#🌙rambling#🌙farglitch
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I think it's so funny when media and fics attribute reading to like. a thing only "nerds" do and the stereotypical Cool tm characters just never read a single book because they are too Cool tm for that and the idea of such a thing is laughable and ridiculous. almost every single person I know reads regularly regardless of whether or not they'd fit into the trope of a nerd character in a given piece of media. what are you talking about
#its so funny like when did that become the rules of standard media tropes#that only nerds and smart characters read#like even in modern fiction and fanfiction characters who are supposed to be cool or preppy or punk etc etc#essentially anyone but your stereotypical nerd/geek archetype#are supposed to find books lame to a degree that its like a goof#I know that tropes are tropes and thats just the way tropes work#but its just such a like. wild incongruence from how the real world actually works 😭#oh the other character allowed to read is some guys dad#ghost posts#text
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that flavour of characters where it’s like you are clearly displaying autistic tendencies to me but i am so glad that the writers did not intend for that and write you with autism in mind because they would have handled it horribly and ruined the fun vibe
#like sometimes characters act like Stereotypical Autism Archetype but they’re not being written with autism in mind so it doesn’t? bother me#what I mean to say is that a lot of the shitty autism rep actually do display valid and understandable autism behaviours#but the problem lies in that the writers handle it completely unempathetically#because they only know autism externally and by how it impacts others#a socially awkward and cold autistic character is not bad autism writing if it’s written with empathy and consideration for how those things#impact the autistic person#and their relationship w their behaviour instead of just how annoying their behaviour is for others#and like considering WHY this behaviour is being read as awkward and frustrating and cold by those around them#like sometimes it would actually be worse if the writer was writing these behaviours w autism in mind lol
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Me: Ah nice I'll just have a little nap and then get on with my reading
My brain, an hour and a half later: 'Now let's go back and talk further about George Kirrin...'
#Does everyone go through the *sits bolt upright in bed after a sudden realisation about George* experience#I haven't even read those books since I was a kid#I do NOT have the time to reread them nor the copious number of essays that I am sure have been written about George#But my takeaway is from- what I remember-#George was not your regular 'tomboy' in fiction; like whatever was going on there#I don't think George can be held up as the archetype of literary tomboys#There were extra layers on top of the traditional 'tomboy' depiction#Like I'm pretty sure I remember George getting more annoyed that people didn't mistake her for a boy#Than being shut out from things because she was a girl#I may be misremembering but every other tomboy character I remember wanted to be mistaken for a boy#so she would be allowed to do the fun adventure things that boys got to do#Whereas George seemed as interested in doing the fun adventure things BECAUSE that was what boys did#Also I'm pretty sure there was one scene where she's annoyed with another female character#Not because they're doing 'silly' girly things but because they're better at passing for a boy than she is#Anyway it's just that even with the most tomboy literary characters I don't remember any of them ever being explicitly described#as wanting - not to be treated as a boy- but to BE a boy full stop#However I have not read these books in about eighteen years now so I may be waaaay off#And it's a bit annoying I don't have time to go back and reread#Especially because otherwise the Famous Five books are perhaps PEAK 1950s British middle class stereotyping#And also explains some parts of my childhood- I didn't entirely identify with George but she was definitely a revelation#Also because the other literary tomboys were like Cool and Tough and managed to conform to an ideal of femininity and masculinity at once#But George CRIED#As an overly emotional child who felt- and still feels- that crying often invalidates my argument or identity#That's kind of interesting#George could be a little messy! But she was a child and it still wasn't fair to put her back in a box because of it!#She's an Imperfect Tomboy and as a kid reading it she could be a disappointment but rereading as an adult I think it would seem more real#ANYWAY that's enough of that for tonight#(Also on the literary tomboy front- surely more could be written about Bill from Malory Towers but that's for another time)
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By the way, we finally played session 1 of our new dnd campaign and I've already managed to get several of the player characters and NPCs falling in love with me
I'm playing a human bard who's essentially just a cowboy and I'm not entirely clear what I've done to come across as hot and charming from the jump, especially since we're playing exclusively via roll20 and voice chat with no video or in-person element, but damn if I don't love the attention
#ive called him august and hes a goddamn delight to play#i really love this character lol#doing the stereotypical southern cowboy accent and using the phrasing and mannerisms is so fun#honestly i feel like the cowboy archetype is a pillar of my internal understanding of myself#its just that i dont think it comes across to other people as much#this got out of hand lol sorry for the rant and thank you for reading
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Please read the tags of the person I reblogged this from
fag and dyke does not mean man and woman. transmasc and transfem does not mean man and woman. guy and girl dont even mean man and woman to me anymore
#the thing is. until we fully decouple gender from cultural presumptions#which I think possibly may never happen#there are going to be archetypes that are associated with a certain gender#and some of the most fun you can have with those archetypes#is putting them on different genders than the one they stereotypically invoke#for example. I joke that Nan (one of my characters; an adult woman)#has Grill Dad energy#because she does#does this make her male? no. but she fills this archetype that we 'think of' as a male role#and I think this illuminates the way that people can be anything and are#even people who aren't trans or genderqueer can have a little gendered archetype as a treat#a man can be a princess. not in a 'ha ha babygirl make you smaller' way#but in like. a demure elegant young man who people look up to and are inspired by; who is well-spoken and sought after#similarly imagine a male empress; a male witch#there's nothing new under the sun arguably but we can always play with the blocks in ways they weren't 'meant' to go
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God I just reread Baby 5’s fan wiki page and it genuinely made me a little nauseous. ONE PIECE SUCKS!!!!!!!!! Dressrosa is THE WORST!!!!!!!! That arc came so fucking close to killing my first read. MY ENTHUSIASM DIED. I fought my way through that arc miserably.
I could rewrite the whole thing I could fix it. Give her to me I will help her.
#my posts#hating oda time#THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO POST BEFORE THE LAST ONE.#sorry this is a lot of wan peace haterism to bring. to my wan peace blog. but UGH!!!!!!!!!!#rebecca is such a stereotypical powerless sensitive female character in a skimpy outfit and it was just not fun for me at all.#like did no one else feel absolutely miserable during her arc. like it just wasn't fun!!!!! it wasn't original!!!! it wasn't respectful!!!!#i wanted her to be so much more :( and im sick of people defending this archetype like we're talking about real women in real life#im not being mean to sensitive women who don't like to fight. im mad at a man for writing YET ANOTHER female character into that same box.#can we understand the difference please. PLEASE. it's not real!!!! it's made up!!!! a man made those choices!!!! and they were bad ones!!!!#i don't care about in-universe explanations for her skimpy outfit or stereotypical personality or her damsel in distress dilemma.#he made them up!!!!!!!!!!#and I CANNOT DEAL with people pretending that the status quo is subversive because SOME VERY SHALLOW subversions have gotten some popularit#in recent years. like if it feels like a lot. that's because it stands out in a sea of misogynistic norms. not because it's the new norm.#like please be serious.#our cultural landscape is still deeply misogynistic. and our stories reflect that. BE SERIOUS.
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