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As an actor and writer myself, I love when a show will do little phrase callbacks that are so loaded and can have so much punch. And for S3P1 so far in my head, one of my faves has been what I’ve started calling “the ‘of course’ discourse.”
For me, Colin kicks it off in 3.2 in that gorgeous final scene in the Featherington garden when Pen asks if she can ask him something and Luke Newton delivers that “of course” without hesitation. He’ll do anything for her, no question. Colin is here for Pen. (I could get into what all was he expecting/feeling in this late night visit but that’s another time perhaps…) The loaded part of that “of course” obviously comes from Pen’s response here but now we’re off. At the end of this exchange, we all know Colin’s world is ROCKED. SHOOK. CANDLE FULLY BRIGHT. (Those fierce flames in his dream sequence immediately opening 3.3 aren’t just mood lighting IMO.)
And then we see how every time Colin responds “of course” after that shift, they mean so much more. Like him affirming to Alice and Will that it’s “of course” the goal for her to find a husband. He doesn’t think that anymore. But it’s what he’s expected to say and agree to. (Again, great layering by Newts.) Like agreeing to act like he’s not talking to Pen in the tent to get the deets about Debling. He’s agreeing but he doesn’t want that to be the case. Like under the willow tree when everything is crumbling on his end with Pen but he’s still trying to agree to what she seemingly wants. (Fab work on both their parts here because no one is really saying what they fully mean.)
But the best part to me is the gut-wrencher when Pen gets involved in that final scene of 3.3. Colin has approached her, determined to find out the answer to his all-important question confirming their feelings, and as he’s drawn into her lips and can’t quite get the words out and Pen is definitely feeling a lot of things back, there’s that block from Debling with his reminder of their time to dance. And Pen and Colin have that lingering look, Colin wants so desperately to ask and can’t muster the words and Pen can’t help herself on her end because she is also SO conflicted. But she turns and takes Debling’s offered hand and delivers that “Of course, my Lord” that just hurts all around. The kick in of “Happier Than Ever” is the perfect amplifier here because Colin AND Pen are represented here. Yes, a part of Pen enjoys her dance but she would’ve enjoyed it even more if she thought it could’ve been her and Colin. Colin is trying to process how him letting that moment go could’ve been letting go of more than he bargained for. (Absolutely brilliant all around here, especially the musical button of his look right on that last plucked chord at the start.)
Ugh. I just love it. (I know there’s more I could go on about but this is wordy enough.) I can’t wait for S3P2 and to see all the moments we get in store this back half. And here’s to many more layered moments, of course. 😉
#polin#i love them your honor#the of course discourse#s3p2 is so close#slight spoilers I suppose for s3p1 Bridgerton
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listen there really was just something about how in the book, snow’s 3-page descent from hesitant lover boy to deluded mfer happens entirely in his mind. lucy gray gives him no indication whatsoever that she suspects him, that she’s going to leave or betray him. he’s just sitting quietly in the cabin waiting for her to return when that seed of calculated suspicion, which he has needed to survive the capitol, takes a hold of him and chokes the life out of any goodness left inside him. it really drives home your terror as a reader that “oh my god did he kill her? did she escape? what happened to her? why would he even think that?” in a way that when the movie had to adjust for visualization it lost some of that holy shit this guy has lost it emphasis.
#seeing some discourse and im not saying lucy grey didnt know#im saying she never dropped the kind of hints that she knew like she did in the movie#or if she did snow isnt worried about them until he very suddenly is consumed by them#snow is not concerned about whether or not she believed him. of course she did! hes snow!#but then shes gone…. for a while……#and its the sudden immediate drastic unravelling that comes across so clearly in the book#that i knew wouldn’t translate to screen yet still cant help but miss#the hunger games#coriolanus snow#tbosas#lucy gray baird#not a crime or anything just a note that i cannot stop thinking about#the ballad of songbirds and snakes#this is all from memory of reading it quite a while ago. so maybe 3 pages is an exaggeration#but i remember it happening VERY quickly and without much external cause#like we as the reader have no indication as to whether shes nearby or not.#snow has no idea either. he just SUSPECTS. and his suspicion breeds the hatred that has been bubbling inside him all this time#he hates how she undoes him. he hates that he WOULD run away with her if shed let him keep his secrets#and he HATES more than anything that she makes him WANT to tell his secrets#he wants to be vulnerable and reveal the ugly nasty parts about himself and still be loved#but he does not let himself and it is everyone’s downfall#he chooses cruelty bc it is easy and familiar and makes him feel more powerful than the vulnerable give and take that real love requires
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Listening to Tumblr Users has taught me a lot of things about Trans Women. For example:
Every Trans Woman I disagree with about video games is a pedophile
Every Trans Woman I disagree with about politics is a Russian psyop and
Every Trans Woman I disagree with about transmisogyny is an androphobe
I can't wait to find out more ^^
#of course trans women aren't the only sort of people to get this treatment#but as a trans woman myself I have the most personal experience with this and it seems appropriate considering the current “discourse”#to focus on that aspect of all this
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i need you all to be normal about people deciding they don't want to explore their identities. we're not inherently repressing anything, and we're not lost opportunities for self-fulfillment and finding community. maybe some people are, but we are allowed to decide we're satisfied and digging deeper isn't what we want, and we're valid for it. it is our choice. please stop treating us like we're naive and gonna regret it
#lgbtqia#discourse#queer identity#sorry im a little annoyed#me deciding i don't need to know the nuances of my gender identity is not me losing anything!#i have community with the people who ALSO don't need to know!#and it's super condescending to be like...'but if you do that...it's gonna keep haunting you...'#I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS HAUNTING ME#BECAUSE IT ISN'T#don't talk down to me for deciding i'm okay not pushing#doesn't make me less queer or repressed#it means right now i don't need to know more#could that change? of course!#but it's fine if it never does
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Honestly pissed off at people going “Iskall and Stress didn’t have much presence on the server anyway, I only watch the ✨Mountain✨ people, those two barely appear” why don’t you shut the fuck up. Literally shut the fuck up. It’s giving the vibes of “well at least not MY hermit!1!!1!2!2!1”. It’s just a really weird and irrelevant thing to say in public when ex-fans are disappointed and hurt. Worse when people immediately jump to “ooooh who will the hermits replace them with” like it’s purely a transactional/numbers game when it’s clearly not how HC works. Like the hermits aren’t dealing with a stressful and upsetting situation.
#Iskall situation#discourse#negativity#of course im biased. bc of my mains.#once again people simply don’t gaf about people outside of their uwu circle#fuck that guy. but also can people stop making holier than thou comments on the public reddit thread
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Gravity Falls meme I made in 5 min
Might as well repost this, since it’s the month of Maybel. 💫
#gotta love those good/evil binaries. best to take this meme with a grain of salt; of course the characters are more complicated than this#i just wanted to poke fun at the mabel vs ford discourse. for “hated” characters they sure are popular 😅😂#i just think it’s funny when people say that mabel prevented dipper from “a wonderful opportunity.” only a kid would think that#ford straight up decided to pull dipper from school without even discussing it with his parents first#i love ford but thank god he didn’t get his way on that one 😭#gravity falls#gravity falls meme#mabel pines#dipper pines#ford pines
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I will say one more thing before moving the fuck on and waiting for more. Cause I have a feeling there will be more eventually.
I am completely believing and supporting Shubble. Shubble’s the victim and she did not name her abuser for a reason. We should not jeopardize her plans.
Now, on a unrelated note, I will still be supporting Wilbur as well until if he’s found to be 100% clearly the guy who Shubble is talking about.
I believe in innocent until proven guilty and similarities and coincidences (like Wilbur also being a biter and someone with a messy place (and an ant infestation), and Zoe leaving Lovejoy for some reason) don’t equal evidence.
It’s hearsay and conjecture and I want to see more shit then that to believe that Wilbur’s the abuser.
So, I believe Shubble and that she needs all the support she can get. And I believe that Wilbur is innocent. Until there’s a legitimate update, I will be moving on from this.
Speculating on who the abuser is will only put Shubble in more danger. There’s no good result coming from jumping conclusions right now.
Hug Shubble and keep Wilbur out of this until there’s a legitimate connection. And even if there is a connection, focus on helping Shubble. We aren’t the law, y’all!
#shelby shubble#shubble#wilbur soot#tw: abuse#you can reblog this#and all of my other posts of course#discourse
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BALAK, PANGAGAD
uhhh conspiracy. can be a courtship dance. ritual. so to speak. & hosting one in your house is an act of service
#(vague hand waving) gender or something as well. the romans sure do love discourses on identity. moving along!#i'm working on something that leads to a scene where Trebonius says that in a different life Cassius would've#made an ideal wife for someone. and Cassius is like. lmao. sure whatever. and it'll spiral out into bickering or whatever and Trebonius#would say something about how Cassius could've been a modern Lucretia. or something.#Cassius would of course return fire with Portia being their modern Lucretia for having to put up with Brutus during All Of That#EH. we're work shopping it. the more immediate one is when Cassius says that his name can handle the weight of a shared#conspiracy (incorrect it requires a sacrifice of Brutus but for a moment they can all indulge in a fantasy)#ANYWAY. back to courtship rituals. the conspiracy can also function as a barkada and serve as the go between#drawing tag#komiks tag#roman republic tag
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the way people are reacting to chappell roan simply saying she does not want to be harassed in public is weird as fuck. “i don’t think she’s cut out for same if this is how she acts” WHAT???? HUH?????? SHES NOT CUT OUT FOR FAME BECAUSE SHE DOESNT WANT TO BE SHOUTED AT IN THE STREET AND CONSTANTLY BE FOLLOWED BY PEOPLE ???? the entitlement you freaks are starting to have is insane, w the mindset of “we gave them their career so they should let us do whatever want to them” 😭
#twitter#chappell roan#lgbt#musician#celebs#twitter discourse#wlw#and she blew up like. insanely fast all at once i need you guys to recognize that#the juxtaposition#of going from a small artist with few dedicated fans to MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING YOUR EVERY MOVE#of course she’s going to have to adjust to it#i personally think chappell roan should start throwing rocks at you people#something something you can tweet you like pancakes on twitter and everyone will be like SO YOU HATE WAFFLES????#u have to be legitimately brain dead if you think it’s just a ‘My life sucks because i’m sooooo popular’ thing
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JSTOR Wrapped: top ten JSTOR articles of 2023
Coo, Lyndsay. “A Tale of Two Sisters: Studies in Sophocles’ Tereus.” Transactions of the American Philological Association 143, no. 2 (2013): 349–84.
Finglass, P. J. “A New Fragment of Sophocles’ ‘Tereus.’” Zeitschrift Für Papyrologie Und Epigraphik 200 (2016): 61–85.
Foxhall, Lin. “Pandora Unbound: A Feminist Critique of Foucault’s History of Sexuality.” In Sex and Difference in Ancient Greece and Rome, edited by Mark Golden and Peter Toohey, 167–82. Edinburgh University Press, 2003.
Garrison, Elise P. “Eurydice’s Final Exit to Suicide in the ‘Antigone.’” The Classical World 82, no. 6 (1989): 431–35.
Grethlein, Jonas. “Eine Anthropologie Des Essens: Der Essensstreit in Der ‘Ilias’ Und Die Erntemetapher in Il. 19, 221-224.” Hermes 133, no. 3 (2005): 257–79.
McClure, Laura. “Tokens of Identity: Gender and Recognition in Greek Tragedy.” Illinois Classical Studies 40, no. 2 (2015): 219–36.
Purves, Alex C. “Wind and Time in Homeric Epic.” Transactions of the American Philological Association 140, no. 2 (2010): 323–50.
Richlin, Amy. “Gender and Rhetoric: Producing Manhood in the Schools.” In Sex and Difference in Ancient Greece and Rome, edited by Mark Golden and Peter Toohey, 202–20. Edinburgh University Press, 2003.
Rood, Naomi. “Four Silences in Sophocles’ ‘Trachiniae.’” Arethusa 43, no. 3 (2010): 345–64.
Zeitlin, Froma I. “The Dynamics of Misogyny: Myth and Mythmaking in the Oresteia.” Arethusa 11, no. 1/2 (1978): 149–84.
#alphabetical order. im not ranking them#i still have two more froma zeitlin essays to read (one new and one a reread) in the next few days though#and its possible one of those might knock amy richlin off the rest (nothing personal; its a great piece just not my area)#but if im willing to have two things by the same scholar i would have to rethink including grethlein 'the poetics of the bath in the iliad'#some of my favorite articles/book chapters of the year are not on jstor though...#bill beck 'lost in the middle: story time and discourse time in the iliad'!!!#and lyndsay coo has a 2020 chapter updating and expanding this 2013 article that is 🔥🔥🔥#and of course judith mossman 'women's voices in sophocles' which is what send me to garrison 1989 and rood 2010 but is not itself on jstor#i also reread some of melissa mueller's objects as actors book which is wonderful as always#and i would be incredibly tempted to put william m calder iii's tereus article on a top ten list for sheer entertainment value#jstor wrapped#mine
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Not to be parasocial but I am glad that the watcher boys seem to be handling everything well. Obviously with their response and listening to the fans, but I'm also glad that the severity of the backlash hasn't completely killed their excitement for their projects and the future of watcher.
This whole situation was a lot for everyone, and I know it's left a bad taste in some people's mouths, but I'm happy that Shane, Ryan and Steven have had level-headed responses to it (at least, public responses)
#again not to be parasocial but im sure the whole thing had to have been really hard for them#i know they made their bed but to be fair a lot of the backlash they were recieving was frankly blown way out of proportion#even though much of the fandom didnt have a level-headed response im thankful that they did#not to say that people cant feel their emotions of course#but still#for - what? three whole days#people sure did managed to Feel a lot of Big Things#wish some would have just taken a moment to breathe but alas#anyway thats not to point#point is: im happy for them and i truly wish them the best#watcher entertainment#pod watcher#shane madej#ryan bergara#steven lim#watcher#tw discourse
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I really can't stress enough how actually disastrous it is that Silco's role in the series is so downplayed in s2 and even in fandom. Writers and some people seem to treat him as sort of a Vander/Heimerdindong/Cassandra/Ambessa type of character, but he is not one in the slightest. He absolutely IS a part of the main cast, it is an objective truth. Yes, he's the oldest character out of the bunch, he doesn't leave buildings/offices often and most of the things he does is talk, not even invent something like Viktor. The Vander/etc type of characters are mostly reactionary, they enter the stage only when one of the main characters does something, while Silco is very proactive. He does start his plan early due to kids blowing up Jayce's apartment, but even that was partly a direct consequence of his own actions, because he would've gotten this information much later if not for Deckard, who he himself employed to keep an eye on the kids. And like I emphasized many, MANY times, he's connected to almost every single character and plotline in the series, so given all these factors he just can't be considered a side character. He just can't.
I mean, imagine if for example Cait died in ep9 instead of Silco. Writers wouldn't let us forget this fact for the entirety of the second season and even possibly some of the spin-offs, because how can they? She's one of the main characters, here, you see her on the poster! But here's the same question: why Silco doesn't get the same treatment? Why does the character who with his actions shaped most of the plot post act1 is so completely ignored? I mean, I know the answer, you know the answer - the writers for s2 didn't like him and had a very obvious bias against him. I just don't understand why some fans follow them suit. How can you be so disingenuous towards one of the core characters in the whole story? Because he's a villain? Well damn, I guess we're supposed to ignore Joker now when we talk about the Batman universe.
#s2 ruined the discourse so much i'm honestly terrified#sevika and isha are somehow more important than silco. heimerbongwater is somehow more important than silco. what#i mean. in SOME sense heimer may be more important than him but not in general imo#sigh. my stupid baka life™️#and of course let's not also forget how silco himself got downgraded to vander's loverboy and felicia's bestie post s2#please kill me with hammers. it'll be tremendously less painful than this shit#silco arcane#arcane critical#arcane season 2#arcane
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Plurality and Suffering
This was going to be a reblog to someone else's post, but this deserves its own. My wording might be slightly weird because I'm having some disorganised thinking, ask to clarify if you need.
People online have such an issue with plurals presenting themselves as happy, or enjoying the fact that they're a system in the slightest. If you're not all doom and gloom, people just... Assume you're faking it for fun? As if plurals have to share their suffering online? As if they have to suffer?
"You're clearly treating plurality like its all fun and games! Look at all these silly, lighthearted posts! Not a hint of distress or trauma! How can you be diagnosed with DID when you're clearly not disordered?"
Do you ever stop to think for more than 5 seconds about personal safety? There's people who hate systems left and right, cringe subreddit posters, and generally people who would take that information and use it against you in some way. You don't share your personal name and address online, so why should we share the ins and outs of our daily struggles? Our trauma in any amount of detail? Anything that could be used to hurt or manipulate us further?
Not only is no one else entitled to that information, but it's not safe to share in a place where strangers can see it. We don't share a list of our triggers for the same reasons--we don't want to hand out the keys to our trauma to anyone who happens to see us online.
Not every plural has to suffer either, mind you. So many types of systems tend to not struggle due to their plurality or even anything remotely related to it, and that's okay! You don't need to suffer to be real, suffering isn't a prerequisite to being plural. I'm not even just talking about nondisordered systems here either.
Systems with CDDs can heal. DID, OSDD, DDNOS, anything. They can get to a point where life is worth living if it didn't feel like it already. It could be through final fusion, but it could also be through learning to live together happily as a collective. They can get to a point where the major suffering of the past is far behind. Having a dissociative disorder is NOT a death sentence, I promise you. Things can get better, either through therapy, or medication or just time and learning itself--all while still remaining happily plural.
Acting like disabled people (or even a subgroup of them) will never ever be able to live a life with any happiness or one even worth living at all is an ableist argument used to support so many horrible things thrown toward disabled people of all kinds. It's a few steps away from saying we need to be put out of our misery because we can never live a meaningful, happy life. We've seen this exact argument used against all kinds of mentally or physically disabled people, saying it's cruel to keep them living. And that's absolutely ridiculous.
It's so sad that these sentiments are common in CDD spaces. Yes, there are struggles that come with the disorder, but you can heal. The idea that you will never be okay is a lie. You might not be at a neurotypical level of functioning, but you can be happy, and you can be happy being plural. You are worth it, your disorder doesn't change that, and neither does the general community vibe of "everyone has to suffer and hate their system". You can be happy, you can love your system, you can grow together and make life what you want it to be.
Being a system of any kind is never, EVER a sign that your life will never be good. It's never a sign that you can never feel happy again. It's never a sign that you should just give up. And being required to show off how much you struggle in order to have the basic amount of respect--people just simply believing that you experience what you say you do--is absolutely ridiculous. You don't need to suffer at all, and if you are suffering, you don't need to do it forever--much less share that with people who could use it against you.
Do better, for yourselves and for others in your community. It's okay to be in pain, it's okay to wish things were different, it's okay to share experiences and gather support, but it's not okay to act like no one who is plural could ever have happiness in their life, or claim that those who don't suffer as much as you are fake. Stop spreading the sentiment that suffering is the only way.
#dont clown and be all “of course hes pro endo” i stg#we are a diagnosed DID system. we are also largely talking about CDD community sentiments here.#us being pro endo doesnt change our points. this hurts the CDD community too#plural#pluralgang#actually plural#plural system#plurality#system#alterhuman#osddid#actually did#quoigenic#cdd inclus#pluralpunk#terrorpunk#cdd inclusivity#dissociative identity disorder#osdd#pro endo#op#shrapnel (he/him)#everything althu#everything plural#plural info#althu info#tw#tw: ableism#tw: syscourse#tw: discourse
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GUYS. I think my brain just died.
A conversation i just had:
AND THE MOST INSANE PART:
WHAT DO I SAY TO THIS?!
I'M A TRANS GUY. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW I EXPERIENCE MISOGYNY!???
Genuinely. Like. Where am I supposed to go from here.
#transandrophobia#trans discourse#transmisogyny#misogyny#where do i go from here#what#what is my course of actions#what IS THIS!?#IS THIS A THING?!#DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY SUBSCRIBE TO THIS LOGIC?!#transandrophobes in action
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Gee, I wonder why "art" made by AI is shitty in quality
#like maybe thats a sign to stop using it#of course the “art” made my a machine is going to be bad and soulless#anti ai art#anti ai “art”#ai art discourse#brett does discourse
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We finally got a comment from David about what it was like kissing Michael and it's the headline in this Guardian article. I need 5 to 7 business days to process this...
#david tennant#soft scottish hipster gigolo#michael sheen#welsh seduction machine#good omens 2#when i tell you that i screamed#of course Michael was thrilled#and i love that David knows this without even thinking about it#there's teasing the fandom and then there's whatever these two are doing#also i am now completely convinced tongue was involved#amazing#they are perfect together your honor#i need to lie down#ineffable lovers#discourse
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