#that’s not a “man who thinks he’s a woman” she’s a trans woman. at the very least you could go back to referring to her as a biological mal
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The words my 80 year old dad uses for various marginalized identities would curl the hair of most younger folks but his first reaction to being told my boyfriend was trans was to creak up out of his chair, totter five steps, and enfold him in a great big dad hug.
You must give people a chance to demonstrate their priorities and allyship beyond their choice of words!
i feel like it's absolutely crucial in the social justice world to take "he a little confused but he got the spirit" and similar sentiments/situations as a Win. intent is so much more important than saying it right the first time! if someone is approaching with scuffed language and incorrect terms but they're visibly being as polite as they know how, that person is a friend and should be treated better than what their words might invite in someone else's mouth.
#his response to obama was 'Why shouldn't a [minor slur] be President? He's a damn smart man and I think he's right for the job!'#like he's 80 he doesn't give a crap about updating his language he gives a crap about people#and the number of older marginalized folks who refer to themselves in a way you might dislike is very high#and if you scuffle with them about it you really really aren't helping#these are the elders of the community and you have to show respect#they built what you're trying to build ON#who gives a crap if the 70yo trans woman calls herself a transsexual or a tranny?#not fuckin' me that's for sure#ma'am you have my respect and i would love to learn from you#(she was just really cool and i hope she's doing okay)
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I've been thinking about the one post that had some weirdo TIRF on it talking about how "men 👏 don't 👏 experience 👏 misogyny" and everybody just kind of skipped to talking about how ofc trans men experience misogyny but like
We can't just skip how fucking asinine that sentence is on its face. That is not ground that should be conceded, bc trying to state as if it's a plain fact that "men don't experience misogyny" should get you laughed out of any room you're in.
Every time a boy is told he "throws like a girl" or is called a "little baby girl" for crying, he's experiencing misogyny because he's being devalued for traits that others see as feminine, traits which those doing the mocking see as belonging to women. Every time a fat dude's "moobs" get mocked, he's experiencing misogyny. Every time a girl makes fun of a dude for enjoying something she perceives as feminine, he's experiencing a double whammy of misogyny and homophobia.
There is no other reasonable way to discuss what these men are experiencing. That's misogyny.
The longer I talk with people in all kinds of marginalized groups online, the more convinced I am both that it's very understandable that people want their experiences and their hurts and their oppressions to be totally unique and unable to be experienced by anybody who isn't part of their group and also that anybody who hammers away on the idea that "only [X] can experience [Y]" and devotes excessive time to guarding the borders of their little fiefdom is not just not helping the cause of liberation, but is actively degrading our chances of making meaningful change.
I would go so far as to say there probably isn't a man alive who has zero experience of misogyny. Misogyny is leveraged against men constantly as a form of social control. Just because it's "do X or we will devalue you by calling you a woman" doesn't make it not an experience of misogyny.
Is it exactly the same thing that women experience? No, but also what different groups of women and different individuals experience is also different. There is no flawlessly singular experience of oppression experienced only by women, experienced the same way by all women, and never endured by men.
With that very simple fact in mind, spending time endlessly trying to police the way that another marginalized individual speaks about the method and effect of their own oppression rather than finding solidarity and commonality is fucking fed shit. It does not serve us and actively sabotages all of us, serving only those who actively benefit from our subservience and our infighting.
So fucking stop it.
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I think what really irritates me about framing trans-woman-antagonistic feminist politics as a result of "anti-man" sentiment is that it's typical of a weak approach to ideology analysis, which says that the way to understand a movement is to look exclusively at its rhetoric and the subjective beliefs of its adherents, while bracketing out their collective, objective political actions, and reading your own understanding of terms into their rhetoric.
and while words and rhetoric can be revealing, they can also be mystifying. particularly when dealing with ideological forms and movements that have a higher-than-average tendency towards opportunistic disingenuity and private/in-group definitions of words, rhetoric can be a trap for the observer. it's a form of credulity.
From a sheer practical perspective, one of the great political advantages of fascism, noted by numerous observers, lay precisely in its disregard for ideological coherence and its emphasis on achieving results, a trait sometimes referred to as “pragmatism,” which found expression in uninhibited use of demagoguery. Hence a blatant paradox in the argument that fascists need to be “taken at their word,” as if there was one “Word” which could be “taken,” rather than many different words, and as if these words were in turn not frequently used in willful deception. Those who wish to comprehend fascist ideology would do well to reckon with the fact that lies, myth-mongering and demagoguery were built into it. This means that anybody who treats fascists as sincere immediately fails, whatever else he or she might be doing, to “take them seriously.”
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I’ve just realized that through my whole transition nobody has ever perceived me as anything but cis without already knowing I was trans.
I’m the eyes of the public I went from little cis lesbian girl instantly into little cis gay boy.
Now that’s not to say they never confused my gender, I identified as a guy much much longer than I was perceived as one, even a good bit into my time on testosterone. But even then had people be shocked when I’d talk about a boy I liked and I’d be like “oh yeah I’m bisexual haha, I like guys too” and they’d just be like “oh, I thought you were a lesbian” and the several months on T little trans boy that I was would just be like erm…. But then eventually I lost my attraction to women, so people only knew I liked guys. But they weren’t like “straight woman”, that was like the moment the switch flipped and I was perceived solely as “cis gay guy”.
I’m not even strictly a man, idk how this happened. I’m genderfluid truthfully, though I do recognize I look like a cis guy now. But I was just thinking about how some of my friends who are working through their transitions are being called he they and she all in one sentence when they only use like one of those pronouns. But I somehow skipped that cutscene. Strange.
#riv.posts#transgender#trans pride#transmasc#trans#trans man#transmasculine#genderfluid#queer#lgbtqia#lgbtq#lgbtq community
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there's a lot of enbyphobia to man/masc/boy leaning nonbinary people. I think it's because lots of people associate (especially transphobic people) nonbinary people to AFABs (or maybe intersex people who were women before, I dunno) but anyone who was a woman before or they view as a woman ... And there was a bathroom door with the male bathroom saying "he/him" and the other sign saying "she/her/" "they/them" and making fun of neopronouns because they think nonbinary people are just a tree branch to women.
That's why I hate the hate on Demiboy lesbians...they have different experiences to other man genders so why do you care? And not to mention... Trans men can be lesbians, like they don't feel straight and have been a lesbian for a long time! And demiboys can be AFAB..Soo... Yeah..
#i did steal the first paragraph from my last post hehe#lgbtq#lgbtqia#lgbtq community#lgbt rant#rant#enbyphobia#nonbinary#demiboy#Demiboy lesbian#pro good faith#good faith safe#good faith identity#good faith labels#not contradictory labels culture
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i cant believe i wasn't following u b4,,,,,ive just been silently scrolling through your blog for like a solid YEAR and just haven't even noticed????? n e ways what are tha thoughts on literally anyone in p4 being trans bc i live for that 🎤
the way my brain decided that this was asking for pronoun headcanons and did not reread to make sure that was what you were asking before drawing all of this��... well anyways
#asks & requests#p4#trans naoto#<- trans everyone lmaooooo#sort of waffling on chie-- he could also be trans or enby easily#ive always thought he would be a 'my gender is lesbian' type person tho LMAO#if hes trans then she and yukiko are as close as they are because trans friends lmao if chie is afab then i think that would come up#accepting his shadow- part of him not feeling 'feminine' enough is that yukiko is more of a woman than her in societys eyes and well.#its not a violent outing bc no one who heard her shadow is like that but chie apologises to yukiko for that#yukiko transitioned pretty early so no one in town (school age at least) really knows#rise is afab its just that she Despises the idea of being a man#kanji is cis but hes cis+ after exploring; does do the occasional drag but is a gay man who happens to use she/her#yosukes whole vibe is 'probably nonbinary but i have a job so i cant worry about that rn'. also i think maybe bigenderism in his future#he/him only for the foreseeable future tho. baby steps#narukami is defo stealth mode for at least the beginning of the game but probably around teddie or naotos shadow she comes out#and i like kuma so ze is like me and uses it/its. :).#ok those are all my notes. sorry for not directly responding to what you asked but i do think what i said is a good answer to your wuestion.#for claritys sake i also live for it.
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can we talk about "clocking" discourse because I feel like way too many people went from "I don't want transphobes to think I am my AGAB because it would cause me dysphoria and possibly put me in danger" to "I don't want anyone, not even other trans people, to think I'm trans" as if that's a natural progression
#atlas entry#like am I not allowed to think someone is trans now#if I see a woman who's tall and has a deep voice I can't think “oh I wonder if she's trans like me”#“because if she was it would make me feel safe and seen”#like there's a difference between seeing a short man and thinking “I wonder if he's trans” and thinking “that's a woman”#yes not all trans men are short not all trans women are tall not all tall women are trans etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc et#but going “stealth” is not the goal for everyone even if it were always possible#would I prefer it if people thought I was cis? maybe! sometimes! but sometimes I want people to know I'm trans#I was at shul a couple weeks ago and this person came up to me and said “happy pride I'm nonbinary”#and it made me feel so special that this person recognized that I was like them and I was safe for them to divulge their identity to#maybe it's because I'm nonbinary but if someone assumed I was cis (either way because I get both a lot lol) I would feel like they were#ignoring a crucial part of my identity. and it does feel weird! when my dad calls me “he” or my professor calls me “she” it's like no#I'm trans and I want you to know that so you can better understand who I am as a person#idk maybe it's just me?
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got into yet another fight with my mom, again about voting/the election, she said that she’s only voted once in her life and never cares to again because she ‘doesn’t care about politics’, saying that shit almost proudly?? and it set me off for obvious reasons, then she got mad at me for saying it’s because she’s privileged and ‘most’ shit doesn’t affect her directly so she can afford ‘not to care’
#i’m so tired man#yeah because you’re a cis straight white woman#but what about your queer child?#what about other lgbtq+ people? you say you support them/us but apparently not enough if you don’t care to vote#and then she started on about how kamala is just as bad if not worse#bc she’s an easily influenced boomer and listens to other dumbfuck boomers#plus the internalized misogyny#i just can’t yall#i know some have it worse with their parent/family member being full on pro trump but this#is just so fucking frustrating#not to mention my bitch sister who within the past couple years moved to the midwest with her abusive bf & got knocked up twice#is suddenly loudly pro trump#the same woman who a mere handful of years ago was about to marry her trans girlfriend (whom she also dated before they realized they#were trans!!)#the same woman who has dated girls multiple times#and had more than a few abortions#like just because you now have two children and no longer interested in having abortions no women should have them?? fucking hypocrite#she just disgusts me#like did he beat the brain cells out of you or did all the heroin you used to do kill them#i’m sorry im just so fucking angry with her like i didn’t think i could get more pissed/upset with her#after she ‘indirectly’ killed my cats#which i will never ever forgive her for#but this is just extra on top#legit no longer acknowledge her as my sister - i now only have one vs the two i was raised with idfc im better off#i’m just tired#and it’s not even an ‘election time’ thing this is just … never gonna end/change huh#personal#tdl#vent
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since ive been rotating pre-transition Neel around in my head, ive decided that he's not public about it at all to the point that maybe 2 or 3 people even know that he was A.J. Warren
#at least for certain. he told Hunt bc Hunt helped him transition. and Addi and Ethan know bc theyre his best friends.#i think Chris thinks its possible that theyre the same person but he kinda. doesnt know how to broach that topic?#“hello guy i barely know you kind of remind me of my ex wife who disappeared a year after our divorce and is thought to be dead.#whats up with that?“#so yeah. he just filed that thought away and has not brought it up to anyone. maybeeee his current wife but its not like she knows either#also YES im saying that Neel faked his death. he was a very well known rising star paparazzi wouldnt leave alone#& he wasnt in a good mental space to be a public well known trans figure.#so he did what was most fun for him and “killed” the public persona everyone knew#after hes doing better emotionally he makes a movie about it. uses old footage of himself makes a documentary#when the trailer drops people are up in arms bc they think its some man profiting off the death of a young woman.#and then the movie drops and it basically all but spells out that Neel and AJ are the same person by the end & ppl freak
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okay i get it but i also think its important to acknowledge that there is a difference between knowing from an audience standpoint that a character should be queer VS it firmly being acknowledged verbally within the narrative as a solid aspect of that character's identity irrefutably
#this reminds me of keeley jones from ted lasso like i get it shes “always” been bisexual but its so hard to tell if the writer is being#sincere in their representation or not#people joke about queerness bc haha lol look a gay person or look hot super model slept with woman#in keeley's case it was literally a joke intended to shock rebecca like that is not confirmation that is a joke the writer is making#it needs to be said or expressed in a way that is outside of a throwaway haha gotcha joke#the doctor has been kissed by men and kissed men in moments of celebration and theyve been laughed off#hes made comments that the audience is SUPPOSED TO think are jokes. queer audiences just see past that and straight audiences dont#its important that it was not only said but talked about even if it was in passing. it wasnt a punchline or the set up for a joke#donna comments that a man is hot > the doctor agrees enthusiastically that the man was really hot >#they both acknowledge the doctors attraction to men and his openness about it > donna says it was always obvious#its not about creating his queerness its always been there its about finally being in a place to say it out loud#from a narrative standpoint you could say now he's the kind of person who talks openly about his attraction and feelings#from an audience standpoint i hope we can acknowledge that its bc they couldnt outright say he was bisexual/lesbian/queer/trans/nombinary#now they can#thats the difference i think#doctor who
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it took a lot of thinking to settle on knowing if i was a trans guy but what really solidified it to me was being unable to live with the thought of dying as anything but an old man. i can't imagine not having grey facial hair and old faded top surgery scars and maybe grandchildren who call me "grandpa". i just cant live with the thought of my gravestone having "daughter, wife, aunt, niece, grandmother," carved into it along with the name of a stranger. they can't ask me to die as a her. They won't kill me as a her. they wont bury me as a her. Its not fair. They can carve the wrong name into stone and dig up my bones and say "this skeleton makes a woman" but i assure you i'm going to die as a man with the name those close to my heart know me by. and i'm going to live long enough to meet him, the future version of me, because if theyre gonna try to bury me as a woman theyre gonna have to try and kill the man in me to do it. and ill cackle from my casket knowing they had to try to erase me in death because i wouldnt let them do it while i was alive. I wouldnt let them.
#text post#transgender#trans#trans boy#i think about the high lgbtqia death rates and like. my parents having to bury me#if they try to bury me as a woman (which is likely) ill come back to haunt their lives. ill curse them beyond the grave#my friends would fight for me i think. i believe. even if my parents try to bury me as a daughter my friends would know better. i was a son#i like to think my spirit will go down kicking and screaming. dad if you see my pride flags and bury me as your daughter i hope i haunt you#i killed her actually. something something that one trans post about 'actually yeah your misgendered child IS dead. i took them over'#there is no daughter here. not anymore. she died and came back a son#also just something about living long enough to become old. to become wrinkled. to have a family and a lineage.#'yeah grandpa rabble was born a girl but he's always been grandpa'#at least if im buried in a dress or something i lived as i did#they can try and erase the boy in me but i already lived as him. HA. take that#they can try and bury me but they'll never be able to bury me alive. they'll never bury who i was to me.#ill die as i am. a trans gay bi man. and they can wring the satisfied life from my cold dead wrinkled hands#rabble poem
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it's real interesting to me when self-proclaimed trans allies, or even other queer people, automatically and subconsciously refer to trans men and trans women as "they" in contexts where they don't to cis people
#based off of SO MANY comments online that do this‚ even when offering support to a trans person's page#and also my friend‚ whom i think is nonbinary‚ but could also just not care abt her gender enough to bother#(idk ive never asked)#who refers to me as they‚ and also a mutual trans friend who‚ unless he came out again in the last five years‚ is a dude#like it seems to be just as automatic as he or she is for cis men & women#i wish i could post this on a social media that any of them have access to‚ but I'm trying to be stealth so that ain't gonna fly lol#o.#trans#transgender#ftm#mtf#trans man#trans woman#transphobia#degendering#i don't even think they notice they're doing it either#like w my friend‚ i obv was referring to our mutual friend as he (since‚ again‚ he's a dude) and she didnt even seem to notice that she kep#saying they#and i know it's not a language issue or whatever bc all the rest of our friend group gets he no problem. coincidentally they are all cis.#anywayyyy#how to tell people to stop doing this without also outing myself to every other person whom i Didn't know pre-transition
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"trans people are only trans because of oppressive gender roles and if we just got rid of the gender roles nobody would be trans" might sound like a hot take, a thoughtful and compassionate take, but unfortunately it is ice cold and does not understand how being trans works at all. meet and talk to and listen to more trans people - preferably in real life - before making assertions like this, especially if you yourself are not trans.
#if this was true then explain to me why my friend is still a man even though his parents tried to raise him with as few#imposed gender roles as possible#every type of woman under the sun was thrust his way with the insistence that his sex was not a limitation#and a girl can be anything she wants and do and study anything she wants#he saw and appreciated all of that and at the end of the day his kid self was still like#'thats nice and i hear you but i'm growing up into a man. you cant fool me'#this is not every trans experience but it is not an UNcommon trans experience. so this argument just doesnt hold water#also if 'giving into your dysphoria' would have made you want to die#and accepting a gender that's in line w your bio sex makes you feel better#congratulations. you are cis#and therefore you do not get to speak to the trans experience#YOUR experience is valid. projecting your experience onto the trans community is wrong#it reads to me the same as someone who thought they were ace until they realized they weren't#concluding that therefore nobody is really ace and all ace people just *think* they are#and their hidden allosexuality can be 'cured' or jumpstarted by whatever set of circumstances triggered *your* sexuality#(knew someone irl exactly like this and it was deeply frustrating)#or thinking that gay people just need to meet the right person to be in a str8 relationship with bc YOU found someone like that#like no sorry...you're just bi#i could go on#i'm frustrated. i understand where this take comes from but it's really misinformed. you need to listen to trans ppl. start there
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Having Nonbinary Sapphic Tuvok Brainrot Lately…
You're the realest motherfucker on planet Earth and I hope you know that.
Here's a bunch of bullshit I doodled on the topic of Nonbinary Sapphic Tuvok !!!! And I HOPE you will share YOUR personal brainrot with the class (my ask box, the masses, a text post....whatever gets the word out.) If you've been paying attention you KNOW I love a 'Tuvok discovers he's trans while in the delta quadrant' story Guy who likes girls and has always liked girls...but....not in the same way OTHER guys seem to like girls... Tuvok who never quite fit in with 'other' men even Vulcan men...always preferred spending time with women and girls but never felt precisely LIKE a woman or OVERLY uncomfortable with being identified as a man and Vulcan society doesn't seem like it would be heavily gendered so he never really questioned it seriously. Tuvok who found comfort in titles like Husband and Father...those fit, those are good. Then in the delta quadrant he isn't able to be a husband or a father any more and is just some guy surrounded by humans...hmmmmmm....
Still doesn't really seriously think it's worth questioning or exploring his gender identity (partially out of a desire to return home as he left...what will his wife and children think? He's experienced a LOT of sudden change in regards to his personal identity and life, he doesn't really want to undergo more.) until Seven of Nine comes along and also begins to go through a "Questioning Her Gender" arc. Tuvok thinks about it on his own time for a long time and then finally goes to Janeway for support and assistance and together they spend like SEVERAL months just the two of them seeing what this whole gender thing's about. Tuvok slowly exploring expressing himself in a more feminine manner because he's spent his whole life adhering rigidly to one sort of Look. Unexpectedly struggles with anxiety about this. Neelix: Don't be nervous Ms. Vulcan! Tuvok: [nervous] I am not nervous. Tuvok and Seven BOTH exploring masculinity/femininity and their own nonbinary gender identities...late night slumber par- experimentation. Painting each others nails is...very scientific. It's important. Talking with Janeway was good because she's his friend but talking with Seven, another person actively questioning their gender is....well, it's something else.
#Tom: Tuvok?#Tuvok: [towering over him in Seven's heels] Yes Mr. Paris?#Tom: I'm gonna kill you.#anon I hope you know I was in the middle of a completely different drawing and IMMEDIATELY stopped it to answer this#some people wait literally weeks for me to re ply to their things but sapphic nonbinary tuvok??? he gets top billing#Tuvok is SO gender he's EVERY gender and Ilove him for it#Tuvok is a trans man a trans woman nonbinary genderfluid a secret thing etc etc etc infinitely#T'Pel finally sees Tuvok again says 'you've changed' and he stiffens and goes 'yes...'#then she extends her hand out towards him and they kiss. 'yet this remains the same' she says/assures him#st voyager#Q&A#trans Tuvok#your commanding officer shows up out of nowhere one day with a beautiful bust and no comment on said bust wdyd#love thinking about nonbinary tuvok...not only nonbinary but also an alien who doesn't have the same concepts/ingrained markers of gender#Also sorry let's make this about something SO specific to me for a second but one of my personal little fantasies is#trans femme Tuvok/Neelix and man...I don't...even know if I can really explain it#something about Neelix makes me think he'd be like 'That's no way to speak around a lady!!' (scolding The Boyztm) and Tuvok would sigh#or whatever but internally she'd be charmed....she be faking like she don't have a crush but she does....she likeshiiim....#SORRY. AS IF IT'S MY FAULT?????#anyway....I hope this was.........any thing. I hope this was literally ANYTHING.#anon#bee doodles#oh another is trans femme Tuvok x Janeway but that's mostly onesided angst on Janeway's part (delicious)
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sometimes I talk to my dad abt controversial things and/or literally give my opinion and he responds and I'm just like 'yeah no you're why people dont like me'
#me sayjng that I dont agree with his opinion but sure you can think his way but heres why i dont agree and him going 'yes no ofcourse you're#right because you're always right and never open for different opinions and not nuanced and and and' in the most sarcastic way and I'm just#standing there like '??? I ended my piece saying y ur opinion could also be right wtf' and he is like 'no im sure because i know these#kinda things' and me and my mom ask for evidence and he gets mad bc no he knows this obviously he just knows this#and then 5 minutes later he goes (non sarcastically) 'yea kyle can do anything' and then when i respond w 'ye sure' he gets mad#bc he sees it as me not being able to take a compliment#SIR I CAN IN FACT NOT DO ANYTHING U LIT TOLD ME I'M BLATENTLY WRONG AND MY OPINION IS WRONG 5 MINUTES AGO#stop telling me I'm perfect AT EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME PLEASE#anyway slay i dont like him as a man and yet he makes me feel like im not allowed to#and shames me when i make it clear I dont like being around him as much#anyway hes a sucky sucky man a lot of the time and atp I'm like 90% sure hes a narcissist but idk enough abt it#anyway fat slay#I'm literally never coming out to him as trans bte bc when one of his closest friends came out as a women and said she was going to#transition he saw it as unfair to HIM because its hard for HIM to lose a friend and he didn't know how to deal with that so she was a bad#friend for doing that. also I'm his favourite little girl to this day like sir....im a 24 yr old whos not called themselves a woman in like#6 yrs please catch on#god so much to talk abt w/him thats to much I'm not gonna trauma dump#anyway he sucks#he just can't seem to grab onto me thinking he sucks
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ultimately my enjoyment is hampered because it is low key sexist bc it takes place in an alternate universe where Sigmund Freud is real. though I did still like it for the most part but I hate Sigmund Freudddd Utena better
#Btw noril don’t read these tags there are spoilers#like idk id have to think abt it more maybe talk abt it with someone else#like does this overall criticize or reinforce gender roles slash heterosexuality#bc like shinji clearly is not the ideal of masculinity and I don’t think that’s seen as a bad thing bc its not like toji’s personality#is seen all that positively either#+ obviously shinji not being a stone cold murderer like gendo wants is a good thing lol#and shinji is straight up into kaworu obviously#but there are a lot of counter examples as well#also I think the adult female characters are all undermined by their sexuality#like ofc gendo and the other old bitch whose name I forget are motivated by their love for yui#but they are stone cold about it. I don’t want to see ritsuko break down crying abt how gendo doesn’t love her dawg#to the point where she is choking out rei being jealous of a child#I think to some extent the show is aware of there being a power imbalance between men and women but even if its treating the#Female characters as distinct individuals worthy of success I think it is a) victimizing them b) claiming there is an inherent unchanging#biological basis for all of these things#pitying of women rather than having contempt for them lol#the only mentally stable person is kaji#you could also say ofc that the 4 main characters who are the most miserable and traumatized#have special attention given to how emotionally broken they are bc they are especially scarred not bc they are women#since obviously shinji is there <I think he’s a trans girl anyway but we are talking abt authorial intent#but I think the way they are treated and the nature of their problems especially asuka and misato is highly highly gendered#not a bad thing inherently since obviously their gender impacts their life#but it does feel less like bc they are a woman society treats them badly#and more like bc they are a woman they are weaker and more emotional and easily hurt. or more emotional about how they are hurt#and shinji is like them bc he is particularly weak#I’ve only seen the show not the movie or rebuilds but him being the only one to resolve his arc positively#asukas mom killing herself over a man ritsuko and her mom and misato self destructing over men#<made worse bc they are grown women so theoretically more mature but since they are susceptible to sexuality they are weaker#than even the female children#‘it’s sad that men have all the control but men will always have all the control’ it feels like. idk thoughhh
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