#sylvie critical

[nikkoliferous]

Sylvie, Queen of the Mary Sues; Worst of Her Name; Breaker of Canon*

The Shameless Erasure of Loki’s Trauma in Order to Prop Up the Show’s True Protagonist, Sylvie

Loki Deserves Better Than His Toxic, One-sided Romance With Sylvie

Sylki is Literally the Opposite of a Self-Love Story

The Hypocrisy of Framing Sylvie as a Hero and Loki as a Villain

Sylvie and the Problem With “Strong Female Characters”

Loki (2021)’s Cynical Use of Comic Book Easter Eggs to Shortcut Sylvie’s Character “Development”

Belittling vs. Bickering: Sylvie and Loki’s Problematic Dynamic

Every Single Issue With Sylki (It’s Not Just the Selfcest)

Why Loki (2021)’s Sylvie Is A Mary Sue

Even Ignoring the Selfcest, Sylki Is Still A Terrible Pairing

*shoutout to @iamnmbr3 for this catchy nickname lol

↩️ back to the compendium

[agentoffangirling]

Hey, just here to talk about your post about people accusing people of misogyny for not liking a female character...

THANK YOU.

This bothers me so much.

There are so many great MCU female characters, and just because we occasionally don't like one, doesn't automatically make us hateful of all women. That's such an insane conclusion, in my opinion.

I never liked Sylvie, and I'm a woman. She reminds me of somebody abusive from my youth, lol but anywayyyy...

My theory is that if misogyny is the only go to you have for somebody not liking your favorite female character, chances are, that female character wasn't very good to begin with.

It's like you also said, misogyny actually exists.

However, if you think that's the only reason somebody ( most likely somebody you don't even know ) doesn't like someone or something, maybe you need to look into the said subject a little bit more.

YES YES YES THIS

I love so many female MCU characters, many of which are actually hated on by misogynistic fans (ex. Carol Danvers and Jennifer Walters), so the idea that if I don't like just one female or feminine-leaning character means I must hate all women is wild to me

To be completely fair, though, the idea that just because you like these female characters doesn't mean you are exempt from misogyny, wanted to clear that up real quick. Fanboys LOVE to say "well I liked Natasha so I'm not misogynistic", and I wanted to ensure I am absolutely not defending that

And I totally agree, if that's your automatic response to someone saying they don't like your fave, maybe you should look into why they're disliked. Is it genuinely because they're a woman, or is it that they dislike the way she was written and framed positively as though she's always right, even when your own narrative argues against that? And I believe Sylvie stans, deep down, know this, and they use the misogyny claim to deflect from that and poise her as the greatest character of all time™

If I see a Lokius shipper shitting on Sylvie only bc she gets in the way of the ship, I'm calling them out on it. Misogyny is always going to exist in fandom, unfortunately there's nothing we can do to change that, but they are never the majority. Sylvie stans need to understand that, that while are always going to be those people, it's not the whole fandom, and to misuse a term like misogyny like that distracts from the actual misogyny taking place

[lunarspiral1127]

*SPOILERS*

Dox is bringing in a lot of Hunters and gear just for Sylvie. She must've deemed her a major threat to bring so much. Well, that's where the episode ends, but we do get a post-credit scene where Sylvie ends up in the 1982 Oklahoma and goes to a McDonald's and orders everything on their menu....yes, that actually happened.

So, I guess that explains why the McDonald's in my hometown were promoting the show with their logos on their dipping sauces for the McNuggets. Cause apparently, they came in 1982. She seems to be taken in by the atmosphere seeing the customers talking and enjoying themselves. So, that'll probably explain why she'll be seen working at the McDonald's in later episodes.

And, frankly....I stopped caring about Sylvie a long time ago. I'm sorry, but what she did triggered so many bad things happening and I'm still annoyed with what she did to Loki last season, and now with what her actions have caused. I get that she's been through a lot, but that doesn't excuse it.

But, she'll be in the show. I just hope that she'll suffer some consequences. However, I feel like Loki will forgive her since he's still adamant on protecting her.

[gloriousburden]

I think we all know this feeling unfortunately

[shambelle97]

LOKI SERIES - SEASON 2 / NOMINATION CRITICS CHOICE AWARDS (2023)

Congratulations to cast and crew of Marvel Studios’ Loki on their four Critics Choice Awards TV Nominations including Best Drama Series, Best Actor in a Drama Series – Tom Hiddleston, Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series – Sophia Di Martino, and Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series – Ke Huy Quan. #CriticsChoice

Pics by: marvelstudios

[mejcinta]

Writing and Directing Choices of HoTD Season 2 and How They Harmed Storylines and Characters.

Hotd is a cinematic marvel...that much cannot be denied. However, I can't help but wonder had they just directed scenes better, if we could've gotten MORE from the characters as a result?

To me, what is off about season 2 compared to season 1 is this feeling that we're shoved outside as the audience. We're not in the characters' heads and experiencing what they're experiencing in the moment, therefore we wound up feeling like their actions in season 2 are ooc.

Think of Aemond in s1 vs s2. In season 1 we had time alone with him as a kid, when he went hunting for a dragon TWICE. The camera lingered on his face during tense moments to convey his feelings like when his eye was slashed out and he was boiling with anger and vengeance at Viserys' dismissal of his pain. Additionally, we had a lot of screen time with Aemond in s1, whereas in s2 he barely has any.

It's hard enough having a season slashed down to 8 episodes from 10, now we have more new characters thrown into the mix that need focusing on. So the writers had to be smart and the directors super efficient.

A scene of Aemond walking through the Streets of Silk, despondent about the B&C incident before he stops to go inside the brothel to be with Sylvi and vent out his frustrations and hurt would've done WONDERS for Aemond. Just that one scene would put us in his headspace and take us through this new development he has taken up over the 10 days since Alicent pushed him away, his shame, his guilt and resentments. With this one Aemond centered scene we would have perfect set up and context for why Aemond does what he does in RR to Aegon, why he clips Alicent's wings at the small council and tries to force Helaena out of her comfort zone.

Instead, the brothel scene started off with the pleasure house and we followed whores around before being thrust with the shocking scene of Aemond there without any explanation or justification.

Helaena also suffered a bit from poor visual direction. Instead of following her around the Keep before the B&C attack, we're forced to hang around with the criminals and at some point attempts are made to make them seem FUNNY and relatable (Cheese and his dog).

In all that confusion, we are somehow thrust into Jaehaerys' bedchamber where Cheese is holding Helaena captive. So random. Why did we not see HOW that happened?

Would it not have been better to cut from Blood and Cheese approaching to HELAENA preparing to retire to bed and suddenly seeing Cheese in the doorway??? Would it not have been better to be in the room with Helaena as she spends her final moments with her peacefully sleeping children before horror strikes?

Wouldn't it have been better for Helaena to remain in the chamber with her dead child in her arms as his head is carried away, unable to scream...instead of distracting us with her walking into Alicent having sex?

This moment was supposed to be about Helaena and her mental trauma, her grief, her pain. If anything her stumbling into Aegon as she tries to escape would've made more creative sense. And we end with Aegon screaming.

I feel like so much story potential and character potential was wasted in efforts to forcefully remind us that House of the Dragon is Alicent and Rhaenyra's show. In fact if you carefully observe the season, you can notice easily how focus is put on pointless and repetitive scenes featuring them while other characters remain underutilized and unexplored, even just by visual direction.

I truly hope that season 3 will apply better directing and writing that adds depth to characters in the minimal screen time that they have because this season just wasn't it.

[sufferthesea]

if i wanted to watch tom hiddleston play an emotionally damaged, traumatized man with black hair who was neglected by his parents and has an incestuous relationship with a woman while also being attracted to a quirky blonde, i’d watch crimson peak

[humandisastertonystark]

So...let me get this straight again once and for all because I can't believe this isn't just a very, very bad fever dream.

After horribly killing him off in Infinity War, they decide to bring him back as a complete caricature of himself, basically making him an incompetent bumbling fool, to let their insufferable Mary Sue shine who shits all over him with the rest of the other characters for a whole damn season and then they reward him, after all this unnecessary additional torment, with the responsibility to fix the mess caused by Mary Sue, holding the timelines together for all eternity, doomed to be alone forever...something they also made him say he is the most scared of, multiple times.

How very fucking lovely

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but I wish he would've just stayed dead after IW

Also I hope everyone responsible for this, steps on Legos multiple times a day for the rest of their lifes

[pinktwingirl]

Literally how the fuck does this show still have fans at this point this is the most hilariously cringe thing ever

[agentoffangirling]

Sylvie gets away with all the things Loki gets punished for. That's the biggest problem I have with her.

It feels hypocritical.

Abso-fucking-lutely, you hit the nail on the head!!

[gloriousburden]

I’ve been trying to keep this blog about appreciating OG Loki instead of any negativity, but goodness is the series the bane of my existence. Imagine looking up your favorite character, and having to scroll past every result that comes up.

Imagine the only part of the fandom/community you can enjoy being a small side of Tumblr away from the main tags.

You cannot relate to anyone on Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, etc..

A subdivision on Tumblr of a fandom is all you have!

Finding decent Loki merch is hard enough as it is, but now you need to look out for hourglasses, and the colors orange and brown.

This is all because of the series. This is why us anti series blogs/OG Loki fans are so “cruel” and “evil.” This is why it’s so serious to us. It’s weird to feel alienated where you should feel like you belong.

Many of us lost the fandom that we once knew and loved. It’s not just about the series or how Loki is miswritten, its about us losing the connection we once easily had with others. You shouldn’t have to constantly explain yourself to others who are supposed to be in the same fandom as you.

I share a fandom with people who don’t understand the source that spawned the fandom in the first place. I share a fandom with people who’s only knowledge (of the character we’re all supposed to know and love) is ship fanart, fanfiction, fan theories, and headcanons. I share a fandom with people who take lighthearted Tumblr posts from years ago that jokingly state that Loki is around 16/17 years old seriously and as canon. I share a fandom with people who refuse to think critically.

It’s not just a fictional character or movies. It’s something we are passionate about, and it’s hard to share those passions with others who do not understand a fraction of any of it.

I’m very grateful for this side of Tumblr and I hope that one day we could have our fandom back. You shouldn’t have to make an entire subdivision of a fandom in order to see things about the characters ORIGINAL and DEFINITIVE appearances.

Fuck the series as well as anyone who groups OG Loki with the variant. Makes things a thousand times harder. I can’t even watch edits because you’ll think it’s an edit of TDW Loki… but then here comes clips of that variant. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Girl if I have to see that clip of the variant bent over a table one more time… I think i’m gonna lose it.

Certain sides of Pinterest, old Tumblr posts/blogs that have been inactive since 2014, and Google’s/YouTube’s “Before:Year” feature my beloveds. Blogs on dedicated to OG Loki my beloveds. Thor 2011, The Avengers, and Thor The Dark World my beloveds. My oomfs/mutuals my beloveds.

[musclesandhammering]

We need to have a serious conversation about how it’s gotten to the point where folks immediately saying “you hate female characters so much don’t you” anytime someone says anything negative whatsoever about one, is actually protecting film studios from being held accountable for the subpar ways they write & portray women.

[usernamesuggestionsarefunny]

I f ing hate the hotd writers. Literal evil child rapist not so subtly lecturing the modern audience about obvious shit such as how awful and evil the royals are to the smallfolk as if she weren't as bad as them for, again, I must emphasize, being a literal child rapist, if she can be all holier than thou “I know modern post enlightenment morality too” on us why doesn’t she start by killing herself for being such child abusing trash? Same with the rat catchers being the face of the innocent smallfolk (Ofc most were innocent and didn’t deserve that shit and I don’t even like Aegon since he is also a rapist so I am not even going to defend his ass, but there was a straight up child killing monster that ngl deserved worse among the rat catchers, and we can’t ofc focus on the 100% innocent small folk tb has killed during the coronation, nooo that would make them look equally ~anachronistic royalty is evil trope~ and we can’t have that).

[starlight-bread-blog]

Within the Loki series, taken out of who Loki was in phases 1-3, Lokius is seriously growing on me.

Loki and Mobius have a great bond, built on support and understanding.

Sylki is selfcest, Loki x Loki. We won't be missing out on anything. (In fact, I think it'd be for the best). I can easily see this going on the romance route.

But from what I remember, I wouldn't call it queerbaiting. Nor would I cite it as a reason to ship them.

My reason is good mlm representation from Disney.

There are a lot of straight couples in the MCU. (Almost) Every main hero is in some heterosexual relationship, Loki included.

And that's not even all the relationships, there are more.

But in the LGBTQ+ department... uh.. I think it was mentioned that Valkyrie had a girlfriend... uh... America Chavez had a pride pin... and Loki:

Wow!! How brave!! That is trurly MAGNIFICENT!! Cynicism aside, I'm sure the writers cared for the representation. I don't know them. But in the context of the MCU doing the bare minimum, it's icky.

One might argue that Loki is bisexual, therefore it's biphobic to suggest that he has to be in a gay relationship in order to be bi enough. Let me be clear, you are bi enough regardless of who you date.

However, as a bisexual person myself, I strongly disagree. The MCU has been giving us nothing but crumbs. Disney doesn't give a fuck about good representation. They want to attract queer wallets, but still keep it short enough to delete the scene for Russia and China. Us queers deserve better.

There was an opportunity to break out of this pattern, to give us an exploration of a queer experience. But we weren't given that. Time and time again, we aren't given that. And I fundamentally reject the notion that it's biphobic to criticize them for it.

Lokius could have been the MCU's first healthy queer relationship of a main character that is given an arc. I'm rooting for them all the way.

[therese-lokidottir]

Also this is from sylvie fans when I comments that sylvie is not thinking further when she kill HWR , can you translate what they meant because I confuse what they trying said to me 👇

okay actually season two really mistreats Sylvie and her decision to kill HWR in a way that really irks me. the only reason Sylvie was "wrong" to kill HWR was because it opened up the possibility of a multiversal war, but nothing is done to change that so season two ends in exactly the same place season one did. season two throws in the loom just to distract you from the fact that Loki does nothing to fix that original problem. by taking his throne at the end of time, Loki is allowing the multiverse to exist and allowing each timeline to create its own Kang and allowing this multiversal war to happen exactly the same way that Sylvie did in season one, but because he "fixed the loom problem" that didn't even exist in season one, it's painted as a noble sacrifice where he singlehandedly saves all of creation. in reality, all he's doing is saying that Sylvie was right to free the multiverse and he would give his life to ensure that nobody can walk back that decision.

tl;dr the moral of Loki season two is actually that Sylvie was right to kill HWR 🙏

(this fic takes a different route though because the TVA is just going to swoop in and snag the evil Kangs before they can do Evil Kang Things™️ which means it fixes the problem of season one, someone season two completely neglected to even attempt to do) (I am bitter) (#SylvieDefenseSquad)

Oh, you just threw a bunch a words at me at once and I have no idea. What is this loom bullsh***? Where did that come from? The first season and the surrounding films about the multiverse were about how the universe crossing over and the potential problems that could cause by that. Why are universe just falling apart on their own now?

The problem that I saw with Sylvie killing HWR was the fact she didn't care about the consequence and actively if it created more problems and people got hurt. It sounds like the exact thing happen in season 2, killing HWR created more problems. Now the things Loki seemed to be worried about, something worse taking kang place, wasn't exactly the resulting problem. Loki didn't want HWR to keep ruling, he wanted to stop and think about some other kind of solution. Sylvie just killed one person and then f**ed off and that didn't solve the problem at all.

Killing one guy didn't solve fascism, people still tried to carry on the mission until others step in and stop them. Sylvie is proven short sighted and wrong in thinking killing HWR was the solution.

Sure, maybe the idea of freeing the multiverse is better than having time fascists destroy all but one version time is correct. But that rewriting what was going on in the season one finale. Sylvie was not arguing any kind of morals or philosophy, she wanted revenge.

The entire series is a tangled inconsistent mess of mismatched ideas. Saying Sylvie was right is rewriting why she did what she did. It's ignoring that what she did didn't solve the problem. It's ignoring that Loki just want to stop and think and there was never real ticking clock preventing them from thinking it through the first time.

[encisthings]